EPTThere isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine.
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There isn't even a reason given for why she voted rayn so how can you take this push to be genuine. | ||
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On September 08 2018 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck, i try to make this very simple. If Kaley is a smurf, she is always mafia, because the vote on me is either garbage, or she is intentionally doing nothing. And you townread her for that. That's my problem with you Vivax. alternatively kaley could be a smurf town just dicking around voting you. gut vivax has stated he believes the push is genuine so that doesn't make his reasoning sound either. | ||
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On September 08 2018 21:30 Holyflare wrote: I am town though. I don't think Kaley is mafia purely because they are just fighting back at Rayn being a dick. Sergio's posts look scummy because they are finding reasons out of nothing. Irrationally angry at me making one post that said nothing and laying out all the "options" seem feigned. Will try and post more. Yeh I don't understand calling you "pants on head retarded" after you made one post about kaley's rhymes. @vivax On September 08 2018 16:16 Vivax wrote: I really don't like how I was talked into making my kaley read appear stronger than it was. It was a crappy feels-read coupled with the rayn vote which I would describe as ballsy. That said, it makes me feel entrapped that everyone is riding this train of thought that I'm mafia for that read after making me talk so much about it which really isn't something that felt that important to me. That said, I was expecting more fleshed out "raps" afterwards or at least that kaley would start posting normally, and the latest one isn't very informative as Qatol points out above. So I don't see a reason to still mantain that read. I'll be waiting for more content before scumreading anyone however. at any time you could have said it was just a bad read based on nothing but you defended your read and acted that kaley was pushing rayn with a valid reason. On September 08 2018 03:50 Vivax wrote: I see no reason to think it should be fake? Rayn threatened to lynch her without really even trying to read into the post so that's a reason to vote off rayn from kaleys perspective. Honestly this weird thing where you have now come back and said it "wasnt a real read" and then Koshi saying On September 08 2018 20:57 Koshi wrote: Oh damn. He did what I thought town Vivax would do. I even remembered something in the shower I didn't like: imho that line wasn't needed but now that I reread it isn't as bad as I thought. Anyway. Vivax tip top town just looks really weird and contrived between the two of you. I can't say you are both mafia but I think one of you definitely is. | ||
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I think Koshi is very weird and gives me a bad feeling but not enough to lynch on. There's about 5 people who haven't posted so no idea what's going to happen with that but everyone else I sort of have reasons not to lynch. | ||
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On September 09 2018 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote is not on Kaley for policy. My vote is on Kaley because after deciphering his posts the only thing that he has said is a scumread on me and a scumread on Qatol for apparently no other reason than us calling out anti-town behavior (lol). It's literally super ridiculous reasoning to scumread anyone, especially since both me and Qatol have NOT ONLY focused on him in this game, aka there is also other content to analyse. Those scumreads cannot be legit because they are based on a reasoning that doesn't make anyone mafia and anyone with half brain can understand that. And i don't automatically assume people who play this game are stupid. Basically he is present but not playing mafia, and i associate that with alignment mafia. I am gonna downgrade Kelsier too because i have absolutely no idea where that Serge scumread comes from and why does he have to couple him with Vivax (i mean why not only push Vivax if he strongly thinks Vivax is mafia?) there, after completely zero mentions of the guy all game before now. could just read and ask me | ||
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Sergio would be a good lynch. ##Vote: Sergiovan | ||
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On September 10 2018 23:51 Qatol wrote: Kelsier: why are you voting for Sergio? You start focusing on Sergio with this post (which happened during the day 1 lynch): At this point, the only person to call him out is Koshi (as being connected to HolyFlare). Plus, your post comes one post after you yourself called out Koshi: When rayn asks you about it, you just say he should read the thread and ask you. This is me asking you. In your most recent vote, you say you're voting him because of Koshi's read. Do you have any special reason to trust Koshi's reads other than because he flipped town? His read was contingent on HolyFlare flipping mafia because he saw a connection between Sergio and HolyFlare, which didn't happen. Why do you still think his read was correct? Well he flipped town and mafia thought he was right enough to kill him. Furthermore I didn't think Sergio's reaction to Holyflare was genuine and before that he felt quite stilted to me. The fact I found Koshi suspicious isn't relevant at all. | ||
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On September 11 2018 07:27 Damdred wrote: Hi kel, how are you old feiend? I'm ok, how are things with you? | ||
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H My vote on sergio is just looking at Koshi's reads, Sergio's strange response to HF and the way he went about asking his questions , which felt like "this is how town should play". However again there's a lot of question marks due to the large number of AFK's. RoL and Meapak are pretty much done at this point. But guys like prplhz , rels, damdred havent done anything at all. prplhz especially just looks like spam to avoid a modkill. It feels wrong to lynch someone like vivax or sergio who are playing the game and letting people who aren't doing anything slip through. My plan is to hover around at deadline and look for someone trying to dodge the modkill with some meaningless posts and lynch that guy. Realistically all we have to go on is the mafia kill of koshi. I can see 3 different reasons. 1) They read Koshi as a role 2) Koshi had good reads 3) Koshi is a good player and a good medic dodge. 1) Did Koshi really say anything that screamed he was a role, I don't see it. If you did read him as a role you assume he'd use his power on HF, Sergio or Qatol. That wouldn't necessarily incriminate anyone right as if you think you found a blue you just kill them. Can anyone give me a post from Koshi that looks blue ? The only other option I see is that mafia is good enough or familiar enough with Koshi to read him as blue based on very little , or at least his game being different from town and mafia know he isn't mafia so must be blue. I'd only give Rayn that much credit. 2) Koshi having good reads , well he had HF as mafia and that was wrong but he had Sergio and Qatol as mafia which makes the two of them look bad. I'm not sure of the two of them who it makes worse. 3) If no one is really close to mafia you just lynch a good townie. Rayn and HF are N1 medic targets or rayn could be mafia so you just kill the next best guy which would be Koshi. Sticking point behind a Rayn being mafia theory is that Rayn and Koshi townread eachother pretty hard. So I see two helpful scenaris Rayn is mafia and killed Koshi as they have familiarity etc and potentially rayn could read him as blue Kosih was killed for his reads which would make Sergio or Qatol mafia, of the two i'd prefer Sergio. I've rambled on a lot here as I try to order my thoughts. So my play is to stay active at deadline then lynch into any AFK trying to ninja post/vote. But i'm keeping eyes on rayn and sergio. | ||
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On September 11 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i want to lynch Kelsier. cool | ||
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The only thing I have to work with is the Koshi night kill so I posted my thoughts on it, even asking for people to link me posts where koshi hinted at blue and I get called mafia and people saying "what the heck is this" I am voting sergio at the start of the day because of the Koshi nightkill and my own thoughts on D1. I still have vivax as scum but im using the new information for my vote. However as there hasn't been anything contributed this day and we have a bunch of AFK's i would rather lynch one of those NOW. I haven't unvoted sergio yet. | ||
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I'm surprised you group Vivax together with Sergio as "playing the game" but prplhz and Rels as not. I agree Sergio is contributing. The other three seem to have contributed about the same amount to the conversation, unless you count arguing over whether Kaley was a smurf or lightly townreading Kaley without reading. This may be true, I was interacting with vivax and he was in the thread earlier than the other two so in my mind he has been a more active participant. | ||
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On September 12 2018 00:12 Qatol wrote: Okay, my apologies for that comment. You are completely right, I shouldn't have said that. I was just a little surprised because you clearly took quite a bit of time to say almost exactly the same things I did. This is also something I wasn't aware of; his first game seems to be ~2 years after I stopped following the site closely. As far as I'm concerned, Ver is still the best mafia player on the site. I am curious what statements from HolyFlare and Koshi you're relying on to vote Sergio. There was this comment from Sergio which I mentioned I didn't like. On September 08 2018 13:45 Sergiovan wrote: Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why? People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned. This felt wrong to me, completely out of proportion to what had happened. A lot of the game hadn't even posted at that time and he lashes out at hf really strongly. I'm looking back over what Koshi wrote and he didn't make a "sergio is mafia for X" reasons. He did reference a scum read on him several times though. An example comment. On September 08 2018 21:26 Koshi wrote: imho Sergio should stick to singing great belgian songs. 1) Why? pants on head because he voted somebody? Why? 2) Why? scum because he voted somebody? Why? 3) Why? townie who thinks they are making some slick play because he voted somebody? Why? Weird. Total weird. I've looked back over koshi's posts and it's a bit of a drunken mess but his main scum reads are you , sergio and hf. Hf is dead If I want to find reasons he was killed it's because either you or sergio are scum. Or he was read as a role and I think only rayn is familiar enough or good enough to do that. The third option is he was a town who was killed to dodge medic saves but that could be done by anyone so it isn't helpful. | ||
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His timing to pop up in the thread end of the night is oddly suspicious | ||
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Then posts some one liners as his "impression" of re reading the thread. Then he attacks you for defending yourself and not discussing night kills. His final reason to vote you at the start of the day (maybe to avoid mod kill for not voting) is that koshi and hf scum read you. Which isn't a bad reason but feels really convenient. So to answer your question. No I don't have a particularly good reason but he's an inactive and he feels bad so get him outta here. | ||
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