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You're looking at it the wrong way around Moscta, I think there's a very realistic chance that the three of them are all town here and if there's only one scum inside them then firing inside that pool I'm still just shooting at a 1/3 chance of hitting scum at best.
If you think of at it from an angle of "Put them three to the side, remove people I'm confident are town" (Ideally it'll be 2-3 people at minimum) I'm left with a good chance of being in a position where I'm hitting in say 2/6 or 3/6 of the remainder which is fairly decent for D1. I consider the game as a puzzle so to speak, I build and move pieces until I've worked out and gamesolved and I've got a fairly high success rate doing it.
If I go through the deep read throughs and come out thinking one of them is suuuper likely scum, obviously this changes and turns into a "They flip scum, clear 2 people from it" but as it currently sits I don't feel that way about any of them at all.
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On June 27 2018 15:12 Mocsta wrote:Aside from my wrong % (lol) this is still a fancy way to campaigning towards a lurker lynch - which I dont support.
Im not going to argue this further. Its a philosophical opinion that people are entitled to have.
Isn't really that at all.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Think you're just linking the fact that the players I've spoken about in my catch up post then are the lower-quantity posters and the fact that I'm not interested in lynching those three players (That happen to be active ones) as wanting to lynch in the inactives when it's merely just a case of I'd commented on those as they're the easiest ones to get down while I'm at work and the ones that require the least thinking about. Can understand how you'd have that stance though but isn't really what's happening. Anyway yeah, you're right, not worth discussing much more until I'm home and ready.
- R
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-> Town read on Mocsta has continued to strengthen, still don't think the turnaround and manner it occurred on us is something that scum can pull off even close to that naturally; can really follow along how he was thinking during it, him talking himself into the read, throwing out things that made him suspect us in the heat of the moment, again another thing afterwards. Then him actually pulling back, having unvoted in the unvote thread first before posting anything in the main thread, having ISO'ed us and came out realising he'd reacted in an OMGUS'ish type way. His reads and analysis on everyone else at the same and the continued game solving as the day has progressed is just always town here. Like just about all of his interactions with everyone this game, find his interactions with TT and ourselves particularly unfakeable. Can go into this and pull up quotes etc if people need but yeah, not wasting much more time explaining this read otherwise.
-> Still like Ticktocks early posting re; Rayn on a reread though the unlynchable comment isn't as strong a town tell as I had it earlier. Little conflicted as to what to make of his post about Cake/Calix in #315, the last sentence about Calix that I need to mull on a bit, it shows a huge amount of confidence to make a comment like that which I don't think matches the read he has or how quickly it was sort of reduced afterwards but it's also one that I don't very often see from scum and is a more natural thought to come from town. I like most of the process in #407 but the timing of the downplaying of the Calix read feels a bit like pandering there in a way that has a fair bit of scum motivation, not implausible to come from town that were able to pull back and admit they've mostly tunneled themselves into something though. Disagree with most of his #453 but can kind of understand how he might have those thoughts and especially like #455 process wise. Was hoping to solidify this town read a little more than I have, will have another go over him later but yeah, still think he's town but isn't a read I'm suuuuper confident on and would like to see where Gemma lands on him after we talk later.
- R
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On June 27 2018 14:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen.
I'll happily take some thoughts of yours thrown out now over a bigger post later at this point. Actually forming a read on your slot would be hella useful and I don't think I've got enough to do that with right now. Don't need you to 'be at someones throat' or need huge explanations for reads but just picking the players you're most confident on and writing a sentence or two about them would do me since right now I only see your stance on TT and while I can follow some of the logic behind it, it isn't a read I'm in agreeing with conclusion wise.
(Also to state that people aren't working together to find scum while prolonging your content until later in the day is eh, need to remember timezone wise there's a few of us that won't be around for the last like 10 hours of the day phase.)
- R
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@Rayn, if you're around in the next 5 or so hours and have a little bit of spare time would appreciate you actually popping in here so we can talk about a few reads. Not hugely happy about your grabbing my ball and going home attitude recently and if you're town here inviting me to come over here, knowing I've taken a break from mafia, am super busy and dislike deadlines this short and being that like feels like a slap in the face.
- R
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Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there.
@Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy.
- R
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-> Went over HFs ISO a few times in the last hour, actually have a very strong town read on the dude, I disagree/dislike his reasoning for scum reading TT initially (I've made and crossed out posts before as town so I don't think it's ever really a scum tell) but I can see it as something he'd easily believe to be the case in the early game. The read progressing to it being a meta sort of problem with TT is something I can also sort of buy, regardless of the accuracy of it or not I think comments like his #397 are the sort of ones that scum normally refrain from making since it tends to actually cause enemies/lead towards an OMGUS from the person they're accusing. Probably won't explain this well but I don't think HF/TT are scum together here (Isn't entirely impossible like some of the other not W/W pairings I have but I think it's only the case a very very small % of the time) and I think Scum!HF saying this towards Town!TT is something he'd feel very awkward from actually doing, particularly given he's not even really voting or pushing TT.
I disagree with his analysis on Moscsta re; Mosctas "If HF does this he's town" comment but I can very much follow his thought process there and think his own turn around on Moscta in #286 and #324 read very town. I find his reads/thoughts/analysis very easy to follow and understand in posts like #255 and #261 and pretty much all up can see him actually trying to work towards gamesolving inside his posts, his pushes, votes and reads all ring very genuine. Would consider him my second strongest town read after Moscta at the moment.
- R
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-> I actually really liked Calix's point 2) on Cake in #172, is very much what we were thinking and talking about amongst each other at the time in that we could see a world where Cake was TMI'ing & pocketing players in the way they were giving town reads, the fact that Calix picked up on the same thing we did there is actually a very good sign regardless of whether Cakes scum or not. I find the interaction that follows with Cake to be fairly easy to follow and make plenty of sense. Dudes posts throughout his entire ISO actually scream town, a lot and his reaction in posts like #290, #298 and #307 all ring genuine; his analysis of the section and pull back on Cake there. Gemma linked me to #381 and I'm in agreement that I don't think that's how scum react towards being pushed there at all. Dude is very very clearly town, will try and spend some time running through the cases against him because he shouldn't ever be the lynch here, like ever.
- R
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@Cake - I'd known about you/rayn from when I was invited to play here; forgot about it entirely until I was with my GF last night which I'd brought up to Rayn in the same conversation and was like "Oh shit, yeah, that's probably vital information to tell Gemma since it may impact how she reads things", messaged her it and the rest is history.
Going to run through why I think you're wrong on Calix here because I'm pretty sure you're both town and I think it's important you realise that and actually start focusing elsewhere. Running through your case in #441.
--> I think it was relatively obvious that Gemmas post was either a) pre-game or b) copy-pasta and not a serious post from a neutrals point of view, both of which aren't really alignment indicative so Calix's stance there shouldn't be "strange".
--> Calix voted HF at 9:22, 22 minutes after game-start and a time when HF hadn't posted, it was clearly a joke/RVS vote, that's pretty standard from just about everywhere I play and I don't think there's anything to make of that.
--> A large part of the reason you've stated for scum reading Calix is his reasoning behind his scum read on you, does the fact that both Gemma and myself, not just agreed with but mentioned some of these similar reasons (And I think Moscta did too) before Calix even said it affect your thoughts here? If you're town here, he can easily be town and just wrong about you, it doesn't mean his thought process was impossible at all. His concern was with the fact that it felt like you were buddying players in the manner you were giving out reads.
--> He wasn't saying that he doesn't care about old games and meta at all, just stating that the strength and impact of meta isn't enough to completely whittle down his scum read on you, that's logical. I think meta is often horrendously used by a lot of players and have seen it lose town games frequently, don't take "meta" on board quickly is a good thing.
You need to be able step back here, assess here.
- R
(Also fwiw, I'm actually pretty damn sure you're town here and that he is too).
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On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote:
I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff.
I actually think you're town now and so does Regfan, he's taking care of that and I'm supposed to be taking care of our lynch but I'm not really functional IRL right now so I could use some help, I know you've kind of fallen apart and don't know who to lynch at all but I'd appreciate having your voice.
My favored lynches right now are Vivax/TT/Conversion but Regfan doesn't want to lynch TT and Mocsta says that Vivax is self-resolving so I feel a little bit stuck. It's probably worse because I feel like shit and my reads on them are basically just gut at this point. Anyway I'm going to filter them and try to read and figure out what I think properly and put down some stuff in thread hopefully and would really appreciate it if you look over it with me if you feel up for it.
-G
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Should mention Gemma thinks I'm wrong about TT, trying to have a convo with her about him now.
On June 27 2018 20:27 Calix wrote:
Wasn't that post #203 that Gemma made this comment about? O.o
Is something she linked me to very recently.
On June 27 2018 20:33 CopCake wrote:
I made a beautiful case against Calix and in went directly to the bathroom it seems.
Have made a big post about yours above.
- R
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I'm pretty much at a spot where I'd bet the game on Mostca being town, I think HF/Calix/Cake are super town too.
I had a town read on TT but Gemma is leaning the opposite way and he's the sort of player that I think normally slips through my cracks on D1 so think he's certainly worthwhile another look over and a conversation with Gemma about at minimum. Also want to go over Rayn, initial impression from his posting here is that he's probably frustratingly town but it's a read I want to make sure on because I know how much shit he'll give me if he's scum and I'm wrong on him post-game and losing to him if his tactic was to fake spitting the dummy to get out of posting would be very painful.
If people want to talk to me about anyone in particular some more while I'm doing some reading, go for it.
- R
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I think it's normal at any website to be paranoid about reads on D1 for most players, most people have a fair bit of doubt when it comes to stating strong scum/town reads based on early information, or should some sort of doubt or thought process that led towards the strength of the read they have. I didn't felt you did that, I still don't feel like you did that, it's something he brought up; I think it stems from you having a fair bit of a different playstyle to most people I encounter. I very much can understand his grievances with you there, we also felt like you were ~floaty~ in the thread so to speak in that you were here, mostly stating town reads. I really don't think I can make it any more clear to you than that. It's what we thought, its what he thought, I don't think it's a scum-tell for him to have thought that at all.
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On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:##Vote: Calix+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: Show nested quote +...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.
Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.
Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.
Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).
So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"
Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early?
Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only?
Why change gears in the first place?I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately.
I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done.
I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary.
I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway.
I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI.
I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it.
I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all.
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-G
(Just for you, person whose name I don't even remember who thinks this hydra is boring and awful.
Ugh, I blame Regfan for this flood control.)
Oh uh, Regfan forgot to sign a post too, cool. 509 is R, 510 is G.
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(Fuck flood control. I'm still trying to find a Conversion post to filter him)
On June 27 2018 14:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:28 Regfan wrote:
I'm mostly caught up to date, want to do a bunch of rereads and still haven't heard much from Gemma when I get home from work in ~4 hours; we've scheduled a time later tonight to talk over our reads/thoughts at least.
Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces.
-> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not.
-> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere.
-> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily.
- R Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen.
Actually, add this person to my lynch pool. This thread entrance feels way too informed and narrow. I also dislike that they have no other presence in the game and didn't stick around at all after making it.
-G
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Cake, no offence but I am/was also hesitant to put much weight on Rayns meta read/reasoning on you. I don't think the meta reasoning that Rayn brought up was even remotely strong and the fact I didn't have a solid read on Rayn at the time nor do I know if I can trust him enough to be someone that can separate his emotions from the game enough to read you properly are all things that play a factor. I can very much understand why that wouldn't swing Calix's opinion around and truthfully, I still don't really think the meta means jack shit right here. I think him not asking you about your playstyle or having done research about it himself is reasonable, most of the time you get grips with peoples playstyle or realise when your concerns are playstyle clashes as the day phase unfolds or the game unfolds, looks to be what happened here.
I'm not going to continue to talk with you about this though, because really can't be more clear than what I have.
- R
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@Rayn - Lets talk, want to put your brain in for a second if you can find it?
Maybe there's a reason that Gemma and myself weren't playing much as a hydra for the prior parts? Hmmm. Let me think, oh yeah, I wasn't fucking here for ~20 hours and mentioned a few times I'm going to my girlfriends last night and would have zero chance to get to a computer. You know, that thing that I haven't been joining games of mafia for a while due to and why I've had to tell you no to playing prior games, yeah that? This really should be something that you'd have realised fucking ages ago. Oh and me playing this game a jigsaw puzzle and that I'm trying to break things into blocks and solve them that way re; what I was saying with you/calix/cake, the same thing where I've mentioned I assess things differently and look for anti-alignments in games to you before I agreed to come play a game here. And it really shouldn't be that difficult to understand why I'm more hesitant when it comes to reading you here, I pretty much know if you're scum and I state a town read on you here, you'll shoot me N1 and then make fun of me post-game for misreading you; sure I may have had a fairly good grip on reading you in the past, and heck, maybe I still do, but I've made it pretty clear in that I've changed a lot as a player since back then and I'm normally more patient when it comes to some reads. I wanted to be able to interact with you a lot and actually see you gamesolve to be able to solidify a read on you. But yeah, you're town, I don't think you go with this much of a stupid attack here if you're scum at all and think it's literally just another case of you not thinking about anything deeply at all, or stepping back and analysing and trying to solve.
So congrats, you've properly tilted me, happens very fucking rarely, but yeah, you're wrong on Calix, you're town and you're still completely unbearable to play with and I'm going for a run because I don't want to even deal with this shit anymore.
- R
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Conversion
I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.
Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.
#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.
I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.
I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.
His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.
I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.
I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.
I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.
I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.
-G
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On June 27 2018 22:19 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote:
Conversion
I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.
Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.
#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.
I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.
I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.
His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.
I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.
I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.
I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.
I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.
-G These are exactly the type of posts I have an issue with concerning your play. You make this long-winded post that is teetering on the edge of painting me scum, and even saying you wouldn’t mind lynching me, but then you do this soft cry for help shit. Stick to your guns and actually push and make a read? If my playstyle is scummy to you, then stick to that. If you’re unsure, then don’t lynch me over your stronger scumreads
If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks.
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On June 27 2018 22:37 Conversion wrote:
I’m not “dictating” how you play, I’m calling bullshit on you partly scumreading me because I’m trying to “debunk” your towncred. I had bad feelings about you even though what you were doing is town-aligned, hence the question to the thread. I moved on from it pretty quickly once it got no steam and I resolved myself you being most likely town and moving on to figuring out who I want to lynch D1.
If you don’t want me talking to your points, don’t ask me to softly clarify in your posts. Simple as that.
Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off.
-G
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