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Regfan
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Regfan
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Regfan
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On June 20 2018 21:48 Rels wrote:Some players dislike playing with them though, so it's up to the host and the other players to decide if they want to allow hydra or not In that case does anyone that's signed up / is signing up have an issue with me playing as a hydra? | ||
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Regfan
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Regfan
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Regfan
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I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread. I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek. Benefits: 1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were. 2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally [i]know[i] that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome. 3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game. Conclusion: The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game. Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion. It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns. It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game. Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt. -G | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. I've played a little over 20 games, although most of them I wouldn't qualify as real games. I'm from Westeros, where we play alted games with usually pretty short deadlines. Regfan has been mentoring me for a while now, and my love for process comes from him. I'm good at some of the things he's terrible at, like having a personality, and he's good at some of the things I'm terrible at (nothing comes to mind right now), so we complement each other pretty well I think. -G | ||
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Regfan
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Vote: raynpelikoneet I thought their post was fine. They took a stance on something game-related, did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way, and started looking for ways to understand us better, which feels like a town thing. I don't really like that you just tagged along to someone else's read, and your post about Gemma bringing her C-game didn't help anyone with anything and didn't show to me that you care about understanding or being fair. | ||
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Regfan
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Regfan
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For those that wanted a mini intro/bit about my head of the hydra, I've played ~100 games or so over the last ~9 years, played with Rayn and Slenderman a long time ago, remember a bit about how they play. I'm very much about people being open/forthright with their reads and thoughts on the game and think constant reevaluation is pretty much the best way to play this game, that said I haven't actually played a game in a little so I'm treating this game (And being in a hydra) to try and shake the rust. | ||
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Regfan
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Going to finish chatting with Gemma about where her heads, do another go over of the thread and I'll let you know where I'm at then. -R | ||
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Regfan
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I've got a weak townish read on Ticktock, I liked his analysis and response towards Rayn and the "I'm unlynchable and you just don't know it yet" type of confident response towards Holyflare reads slightly townie, would strongly say that Ticktock/Holyflare are never knowing aligned here based on #105. @Tick - Can you explain the Mocsta town read for me please. (Is there a way to link post numbers here?) - R | ||
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Regfan
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Regfan
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@Rayn - Thanks for the link explanation. I'm a little troubled by your recent posting and my discussion with Gemma on you hasn't really helped (She's equally conflicted now too), not hugely happy about your sort of lack of response towards my initial few posts here (Recognition that the initial post from Gemma was a C/P and not a "Oh the post makes no sense" type thing would be the logical sort of reaction to it at minimum) and the way you've gone about responding to the Ticktock thing is ehhhhh in that people state a scum read on him earlier, you don't really weigh in then, I post a town read on him, you state you disagree with the scum reads on him 9 minutes later. It feels sort of like, picking the direction you're going based on my reads which I think you'd certainly be doing as mafia to a degree. So mind talking to me and walking me through on what your reads are entirely right now (Don't care if some of it sounds stupid) as well as what /you/ specifically like about TickTock, would be nice to see some thought process from you on that. On June 26 2018 11:08 CopCake wrote: I am a “soul reader”, “moon power” and idk, apparently I find mafia by mistake always. Ahhh, you're one of those players, fantastic. If I had a gun to your head right now and said "Name 3 players, if all 3 are town, you get to live OR name 1 player and if they're mafia you get to live" which would opt for and what would your answer be? - R | ||
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Regfan
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 11:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare isn't really wrong in that tt's early posting looked like him being an un-caring scum. I went to read his couple of last games i remember quickly and basically came to the same conclusion to what you did. I don't see any reason to repeat things that are already said. I basically just don't think he responds to the people scumreading in a way he did, while yes i realise he just called everyone town who is calling him scum. But i think as mafia he'd do it differently since it's not really likely to buy you any town redit when you weigh your chances to "get out of being scumread". I also don't think any response to Gemma's post is helping anything anymore, since it's a confirmed pre-planned copy paste post. It doesn't make it anything, except for stupid. My read on TT is without a lick of meta involved in it, if you've done some meta research that suggests he's town here, I think mentioning that is rather important -- I need to be able to follow /how/ you're getting to reads in this game here and the way it played out didn't really do that. What's your reads/thoughts on Mocsta at the moment? We both read a lot of his posts as him feeling somewhat detached from the actual game thread in a way I see mafia do more often than not, where he's there posting things that seem /somewhat okay/ but then looking at the body of content and going "huh". I'd imagine you've got some actual meta on him, is this something you'd say fits more his town/scum play and why? (Pretty much if you're town here dude I need to see it via your thought process/solving, please) -R | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Basically what i found out to be mostly correct is that tt makes more detailed and not all over the place posts more likely as town in comparison to as mafia. It's partly meta partly just gameplay. Especially him looking like he is thinking about what he posts mid-post aka the post on Calix seems to me way more likely to come from town than from mafia. idk it is hard to explain, i think he can make a post like that as mafia as well but i don't think he makes THAT specific post as mafia, post would probably be more lazy and have a different umm... goal in mind that it seems like it has. Cheers, most of this makes a lot of sense. Wouldn't mind you getting to the Moscsta question when you get a chance, we're reading his posts here as busywork to a degree and Gemma can't work out why the things he's commenting on are important to him or where he's really trying to go with it and working out if this is just a playstyle concern or not would be nice. -R | ||
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Regfan
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On June 26 2018 11:33 Tictock wrote: Oh wow, I really hate this post >.< I'm kinda getting the sense that I am just going to dislike Gamma based off personality here, but this is really bad. It's adding nothing, acts as an appeal to emotion via thin humor, and worst off is just a reaction to the other head of the hydra. I was actually kinda liking Reg's post at the top of the page here, but even before I saw this ^ post I was not willing to give a townread to Reg because I feel like their mafia range could be quite good. It wasn't a joke. | ||
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Regfan
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