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Holyflare
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March 30 2018 18:57 GMT
#6
/in
Holyflare
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March 31 2018 20:45 GMT
#24
On April 01 2018 04:21 Eversince wrote:
/in

If this starts earlier than 04/05 or 6'th, I'll probably be mostly afk. I'll be around when I can after that though!


happy birthday that may also be fake
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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March 31 2018 22:48 GMT
#26
birthday twins
Holyflare
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April 05 2018 22:42 GMT
#55
How is it not full yet?
Holyflare
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April 07 2018 22:07 GMT
#105
Alcohol is good guys
Holyflare
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April 07 2018 22:07 GMT
#106
Probably should have read role pm but I'm town now.
Holyflare
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April 07 2018 22:07 GMT
#107
Vivax my king who shall we lynch?
Holyflare
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April 07 2018 22:20 GMT
#114
Seriously town though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 07 2018 22:20 GMT
#115
Gotta boogy
Holyflare
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April 07 2018 23:23 GMT
#120
On April 08 2018 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, time's up. Going to the theatre and then some alcohol.

I won't be posting until tomorrow. I can't access my account on my phone.

Buh-bye!

Sent from my Android.


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 08 2018 07:08 GMT
#151
Doesn't calix respond to vivax's joke with another joke? Don't get your post.
Holyflare
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April 08 2018 11:59 GMT
#184
I like Calix's Rayn points. Checkmate mafia Rayn.
Holyflare
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April 08 2018 18:53 GMT
#254
I don't remember :D
Holyflare
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April 08 2018 18:53 GMT
#255
it looked shiny and made you do things so that's my net gain
Holyflare
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April 08 2018 18:55 GMT
#257

Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?


Did this ever get answered?

It's one thing for you to "slow play" a vote because that's "how you always do it as town" but it's another to accuse someone of making up something but then not voting them.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 20:53 GMT
#271
The fuck game are you reading gb? Calix is non committal and vivax isn't posting? That's the opposite to what is actually happening.

Also why has nobody answered my question about rayn?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 20:53 GMT
#272
On April 09 2018 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +

Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?


Did this ever get answered?

It's one thing for you to "slow play" a vote because that's "how you always do it as town" but it's another to accuse someone of making up something but then not voting them.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 08 2018 21:12 GMT
#273
Cool
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 08 2018 21:38 GMT
#275
I literally have no idea what that says and I tuned out of his wall post because it seemed pointless.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 08 2018 21:41 GMT
#278
Calix posted accusations and followed up with a case and votes. The accusations get a rebuttal which ensures hesitancy on Calix's part and then what is she supposed to do then?

Are you not reading the thread GB?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 21:43 GMT
#279
Yeah Vivax could be mafia but it's not because he's following some kind of low activity meta. What you're saying about calix is what applies to vivax more.

I would quite like to vote the homeless person though. Useless questioning into random vote and afk seems largely pointless. If they are from the same site as noobking where they believe day 1 is largely pointless that is fair... If they followed it up with something to make discussion. Which they did not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 21:47 GMT
#280
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"???
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 22:11 GMT
#284
On April 09 2018 06:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Also I do not believe rayn's point if it's what calix just quoted. In every single game I ever have seen him play in he says at least once in it "if you think I'm making it up then I'm confirmed mafia. Vote me!" but when Calix says he's making it up and he acknowledged she could think that's true (!) then it becomes a huge wall of defence from rayn? He even acknowledged it was "bad wording"???


If he says that every game, as both alignments, it doesn't make it alignment indicative. I can see him re-reading his post and realizing it was bad wording. Why not?


Yes, that is my point. He says it in every game because it's not bad logic. He did not apply it in this game to Calix though. He calls her mafia despite admitting she could believe those points.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 08 2018 22:59 GMT
#288
On April 09 2018 07:46 Tubesock wrote:
HF, in the wall of text you didn’t read he kinda does say it:

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.

So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum.



K thanks. I'll ponder upon this.

##vote currentlyhomeless
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 09:36 GMT
#435
On April 09 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only problem i really have with Eversince's reads is the Exo read which doesn't really make any sense in any world. Also the HF read bugs me because Eversince basically gives the reasons why HF would be mafia and then calls him town.


Agreed.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 09:48 GMT
#439
Rayn I saw shiny case from calix that said that you were caught in a lie and sheeped it. Nothing more. Pressure or whatever it looked cool. Saw your answers and felt meh about it. I think Eversince's read on me was the worst read I've seen yet because it's right for all the wrong reasons.

I think kush's play has been scummy and I voted for him. Seems like he tried to do a chezinu play but it's bad because he was actually playing like mafia.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 09:49 GMT
#441
Also I didn't know there was a vote thread so take my votes as real
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 09:56 GMT
#445
On April 09 2018 18:54 Calix wrote:
Didn't rayn, currentlyhomeless, etc, saying "you're not voting lol, put your money where your mouth is" not tip you off earlier, HF?


I haven't had time to look at the thread until now really.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 09:58 GMT
#447
The thing is kush is probably the best person I know at reading me just from flat posting but he felt the need to use a "trap" on me. Now I know it's kush it just seems like an attempt to feign activity.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 10:03 GMT
#450
It's completely similar to my no time town play imo yeah?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 11:48 GMT
#481
On April 09 2018 20:45 Eversince wrote:
ack, i guess i'm misunderstood lol. Calix thinks I'm scum.
Rayn think's I'm scum.

The people I knighted for have gone against me.

Ask your questions, I don't want to be lynched because we misunderstand each other.


Why do you call me town after saying I'm playing like mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 12:50 GMT
#521
On April 09 2018 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 17:19 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 01:05 Calix wrote:
Half of rayn's posts seem divorced from anything going on in the thread. I can hardly tell what he is referring to half the time since he seems to mix up who he's talking to when he responds to people.

Independent of anything else, this for sure is true. I had already noticed that his posts are more difficult to follow than anyone else's, before reading this from you. And that's with me reading the thread chronologically; I'm sure it'll be even worse if anyone tries to look into his filter later in the game.

If he's Town, then the fact that his posts will later be almost impossible for other Town players to look at, read, and understand, would not be great for his win condition. But if he's Scum, the fact that his posts will later be indecipherable for Town players would not hurt his win condition at all.


I find rayns posts very coherent to read. They are just long, but he doesn't beat around the bush. He is also town so I will defend him to my last breath.

You also started posting after I voted for you. Coincidence or caught pants down?

Either way the fact you are discrediting the way rayn posts really puts you in a bad light for me. I think Calix is town too but busy annoying the raynzo for false reasons and you just chime in taking sides lazily with the above post.


I reported this post for being too mafia orientated.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 12:54 GMT
#526
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 12:55 GMT
#528
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 12:56 GMT
#530
It's all weird shit that I don't like. Also don't care what people say about his gb/damdred read either. That was a weird read that happened too quickly.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 12:57 GMT
#532
On April 09 2018 21:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
The last like 5 posts from vivax are all sureties about reads that look really out of place from what I'd expect vivax to be at right now. Hard defend rayn. Pick out a rayn post and defend exo.


Let's play a game then, you tell me where you expect me to be and why and I tell you where I am actually at.


Let's just do this instead

##vote vivax
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 13:00 GMT
#536
On April 09 2018 21:56 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax why are you mafia. So so sad.


I don’t get a scum vibe from Vivax at all. Can you explain this read in detail?


Town read on gb and damdred
Town read on you for something he doesn't agree with
Mafia reads calix but then just says unemotionally she's not mafia and is in fact town.
Town reads rayn.
Town reads a million people for free.

Where is paranoia? Where is scum reads?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 13:03 GMT
#542
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 13:37 GMT
#567
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


This is the most unbelievable thing I have ever read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 13:40 GMT
#570
On April 09 2018 22:17 Vivax wrote:
My guess is Skynx/HF/N00bking

If one of these is wrong, Calix is a balls to the wall mafia. But not on D1, she'd have earned that much.


This post doesn't even line up with the previous one I just quoted since you've never mentioned their names once. It's incongruous with your own "thought pattern".
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 13:59 GMT
#592
On April 09 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:47 Eversince wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:45 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:41 Eversince wrote:
I can't qoute it to you ;p, believe me or don't. I don't care. Mafia will kill me tonight.


if you are actually town why would mafia kill you

maybe I’m dumb but I don’t get it


I just claimed a blue.... mafia will kill me. Or next level mafia shit if they have a RB, they can RB me to lead a mislynch cycle 2. I don't know if they have a RB though. If they do not though I will take kp tonight.


this post is so scummy wtf


Agreed. Whole thing is really forced.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 14:08 GMT
#601
Nobody is voting you because you misread the op. You only have 2 votes and those people are afk. We're starting to re-scum read you because you're pushing the fact you are blue way more than anything else when it was not necessary in the slightest. Nobody really cared about the blue claim, the tide was in fact shifting to vivax so you didn't really need to claim at all in fact.

The scummy vibes come from you restating that you are blue multiple times, telling us what night actions mafia are going to do that make you confirmed, "forgetting" the rber etc etc.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 14:10 GMT
#605
Why is vivax town?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 14:15 GMT
#608
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


You didn't even scum read Eversince though did you? So you're just attributing scummy things to my push without actual belief.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 14:18 GMT
#611
On April 09 2018 23:14 Eversince wrote:
what makes him mafia HF?


Everything I've already explained?

Your turn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 14:19 GMT
#613
On April 09 2018 23:17 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody is voting you because you misread the op. You only have 2 votes and those people are afk. We're starting to re-scum read you because you're pushing the fact you are blue way more than anything else when it was not necessary in the slightest. Nobody really cared about the blue claim, the tide was in fact shifting to vivax so you didn't really need to claim at all in fact.

The scummy vibes come from you restating that you are blue multiple times, telling us what night actions mafia are going to do that make you confirmed, "forgetting" the rber etc etc.


why is HF so aware of lynch influence

this whole post is just stating facts. my hairs are prickly

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:14 Eversince wrote:
what makes him mafia HF?


oh noooooo


Because I made the shift in influence....?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 14:25 GMT
#615
I would still like the explanation for vivax being town.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 14:48 GMT
#620
I'm not refusing to play it. I just think you'd have different reads and would be saying completely different things to what you have been.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 14:50 GMT
#621
The comment about me voting you to derail a mislynch on my partner when eversince was the lead wagon who you didn't even scum read is an example of you just flinging shit that you haven't thought about and pretty much confirms you as mafia to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 15:02 GMT
#627
On April 09 2018 23:53 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
The comment about me voting you to derail a mislynch on my partner when eversince was the lead wagon who you didn't even scum read is an example of you just flinging shit that you haven't thought about and pretty much confirms you as mafia to me.


In hindsight it will be one of the most right things that have been said in the thread cause you're not the type to lean that far out of the window as mafia if not cause you have to.


You either think Eversince is mafia with me, which you have not posited once other than your aforementioned post, or you're just struggling to back pedal your stance because you know it doesn't make sense. There was no town thought process behind what you said since you did not call and have not called Eversince mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:09 GMT
#630
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:10 GMT
#631
On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar. I'd go with the likelihood of you being town as higher. I'd feel reassured if your blatant misreps were some form of reaction fishing.

If I could pinpoint players who fitted the profile above btw it would be tubesock and Eversince. I'd like to see more from them.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:18 GMT
#636
You say that calix and Eversince are probably town!
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 15:18 GMT
#637
And effectively said 0 things and pushed 0 things about nk and skynx!
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 15:21 GMT
#640
I even faltered a bit when you said you had scum reads on skynx and nk as if I may be wrong but then I read your accusations on nk and you criticise him about rayn's wot and being non-committal while you.... didn't vote skynx.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:26 GMT
#649
On April 10 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 10 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!

Vivax who is the "teammate up for lynch " in skynx/noobking/hf team and why did uou make that post?


It's fucking simple cause the reason I said it is cause I thought HF is mafia going all in with a push on me regardless of who was up for lynch.



That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense!! Why would I go all in if Eversince is not my partner??

You can't backtrack it. You say I'm going all in because my partners are close to being figured out or my partner is being lynched while none of the names you mention are up for lynch and you DON'T scum read the wagon!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:28 GMT
#653
On April 10 2018 00:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:26 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2018 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 10 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!

Vivax who is the "teammate up for lynch " in skynx/noobking/hf team and why did uou make that post?


It's fucking simple cause the reason I said it is cause I thought HF is mafia going all in with a push on me regardless of who was up for lynch.



That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense!! Why would I go all in if Eversince is not my partner??

You can't backtrack it. You say I'm going all in because my partners are close to being figured out or my partner is being lynched while none of the names you mention are up for lynch and you DON'T scum read the wagon!


No you could also have been going all in cause I figured out Skynx and N00bking as your partners


You haven't voted skynx, you never voted skynx and you made no push on noobking that had any traction.

You also literally just stated "it's regardless of the names I posted" but now you're posting names again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 09 2018 15:29 GMT
#656
You're welcome to find a scum read that's not me
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 15:48 GMT
#672
On April 10 2018 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Honestly he just behaves like an asshole towards me from the start cause I ask him to explicate what the fuck it means that I don't have the read that he expects me to, he refuses and no one accepts to try and talk on my terms or point out that the argumentation from HF is fucking unfair. It's a fucking assholeish environment and doesn't make me want to play.

Would also lynch Calix at this point without caring for her alignment.


I am genuinely not being an arse. I see you make reads like rayn being shiny and "never mafia" which sets off alarm bells because you are ALWAYS wary of people like rayn and you just came off a game where he was top town and mafia (yes you called him mafia). That's the first read of many(!) that I don't think you make. Your reads on tubesock/calix/Eversince are also flaky as fuck and you basically give no opinion on Eversince even when she's the leading wagon. There's also your gb/damdred read which I thought looked far too quick and elaborate excuses.

It's all these town reads that I can't get past.

I think your scum read on noobking is actually good though.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 15:53 GMT
#680
Noobking, why do you point out rayn's wall of texts being unreadable when you were doing the same the past few games? Why does it make him mafia-ish?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 16:22 GMT
#735
On April 10 2018 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Wait a moment now that I'm not busy defending myself against BS I can start dishing out.
FIrst of all let me point out the following:

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 16:44 n00bKing wrote:
On April 09 2018 12:24 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 09 2018 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:
On April 09 2018 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax is forgettable, i had to look at his filter to see what was up and yeah theres nothing much, not gonna lynch today though


Why not oats.. why not then..
Looks like scum to me.

My God, kush, is there a single smurf you didn't blow mid-game?

So it's Kush that blows all the smurfs? I knew he looked familiar....
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@Holyflare: I see currentlyhomeless already called you out for the fake vote against him. Care to explain?


@currentlyhomeless: Have anything you might use to convince me that Holyflare would flip red? Seems like you're saying he's scum because he felt threatened by your randomly-generated vote against him. Is there more to it than that?

I'll probably read some more of this thread now.


This is the very first question that came to n00bkings mind and neither is it answered nor is he trying to get it answered when it's obvious he's in the thread with HF so it's safe to assume the two don't even read each others posts and now you go and tell me how unlikely it is that they are both mafia.


I actually did explain it?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 16:28 GMT
#751
On April 10 2018 01:17 Vivax wrote:
What are HFs scumreads btw? Rayn, me and Kush?


Not so much rayn but maybe rayn, you, kush. Possibly also Eversince.

Skynx/nk/exo(need to read)/tube(need to read) /gb(need to read/possibly buddying by not pushing me)/damdred null.

Calix/oats towny. I need to look way more into the middle pile but at a stretch.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 17:59 GMT
#830
On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.

Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch


Go away unless you read.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:05 GMT
#836
On April 10 2018 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:39 Damdred wrote:
Ive had an emergency at work I'm finishing up I won't make deadline and have 10 minutes before I enter no cell phone zone again.

Will look at the main wagons and vote but just from a glance I dont like the vivac lynch


Go away unless you read.

Hey HF how's it going, wanna calix


Absolutely not. She's my biggest town read tbh.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:24 GMT
#850
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:28 GMT
#856
On April 10 2018 03:26 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.

And do you hate Damdred more for it or hate Oats more for it?


Thing is I haven't quite decided which I hate more

Also rayn's entry where the last thing I remember him posting is agreement with my points on vivax returns to say we should lynch exo? That's also awful.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:32 GMT
#858
On April 10 2018 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:03 Holyflare wrote:
I don't question the reads you have and I'm sure you have reasons for them but they look very out of place and unintuitive.


To me you just look like either I am very close to figuring out your teammates or your teammate is up for lynch and you are trying to get a counterwagon going.


Everybody not currently voting vivax, read this post. Explain to me with the team of noobking/skynx/hf that vivax espoused how he makes the bolded when he never said Eversince is mafia (even called her town) ever.

Think carefully and put yourself in a mindset where you believe this comment.

What is the town mindset that makes you able to say the bolded? It's that Eversince is mafia. Which he never says and has never alluded to.

What is the mafia mindset? To try and shovel shit in my direction with rhetoric.

A town vivax would NEVER come up with this sentence UNLESS he thought Eversince was mafia, which he never did!

Vivax who is the "teammate up for lynch " in skynx/noobking/hf team and why did uou make that post?

On April 10 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes. You really called calix and es town Vivax.




On April 10 2018 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Head says leave the claim alive heart says dont because es wants to give gun to probably calix because her reads are good but the difference in pur reads is bas8cally exo and vivax and es hard-townreads vivax who calix scumreads.



On April 10 2018 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax if youre town you dont need me to prove you are town and honeatly i am not that sure anymore.



On April 10 2018 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really dont like Vivax lynch. If i have to i will save him by voting Skynx but i dont really think he is mafia either. I would suggest strongly against voting for Calix. I have no idea about what noobking is because i dont rrally feel like he has said much anything.

Glowingbear started being terr8ble but thats probably town terrible.

I still want to lynch exo for what i have said earlier.
##unvote
##vote exo_


Wtf is this progression rayn?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:34 GMT
#860
You seey case, you see vivax dead to rights with the team mate quote, you see he lied about his Eversince read existing and he in fact town read es, you go afk and come back to say you'll save vivax if you have to?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 18:39 GMT
#867
On April 10 2018 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred's reentry is absolutely awful and I hate that oats says he's town for it. Damdred appears to have read nothing, has excused himself from playing till past deadline (fair enough if he's busy) says he'll vote with the wagons and then hard deflects to pretty much the towniest person in the thread off the scummiest.

He agrees with my reads = town?

I mean there's nothing else to judge him on.


Your reads are butts though.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:01 GMT
#879
On April 10 2018 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think vivax is mafia. Mafia vivax just rolls over and dies. Damdred can easily be mafia.


Why does mafia vivax roll over and die?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:10 GMT
#884
On April 10 2018 04:05 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think vivax is mafia. Mafia vivax just rolls over and dies. Damdred can easily be mafia.


Why does mafia vivax roll over and die?


Isn't he meant to be below-average at the mafia alignment? Dunno why I'm asking - don't you know Vivax's meta well enough to know what he generally does as mafia by now?

I wouldn't know from personal experience aside from my first game here. He only stopped doing stuff after D3-ish in that game. And that was after his team-mate died D2, I think.


He can absolutely put effort in as mafia whenever he wants. Him not playing as mafia is a bad meta ESPECIALLY on day 1.

I don't really think any of his scum reads are fleshed out. His noobking one was about nk being hypocritical about walls of illegible text with rayn but it turns out that wasn't what nk meant but did vivax ask anything or say anything about it? (no I had to). Has he updated since? No.

His skynx read is based on skynx from what, page 5? That his case was too much effort and therefore mafia? What the shit?


Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:11 GMT
#885
On April 10 2018 04:09 Damdred wrote:
I have 8 minutes on break, my assessment might be horrible based on lack of information. But just glancing at Vivax filter I don't think he's the best lynch, hes given what he thinks on people and hasn't exactly been tight lipped so id be willing to reevaluate after today but I just think he's town atm.

I dont like Ryan however, hes sort of just existing and forgetting reads he makes and halfheartidly pushing things. Its just weird some of his progressions and how he ended up where he is I guess?

I dont agree that calix is the towniest person in the thread though...


Vivax is caught mafia.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:14 GMT
#896
On April 10 2018 04:12 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:09 Damdred wrote:
I have 8 minutes on break, my assessment might be horrible based on lack of information. But just glancing at Vivax filter I don't think he's the best lynch, hes given what he thinks on people and hasn't exactly been tight lipped so id be willing to reevaluate after today but I just think he's town atm.

I dont like Ryan however, hes sort of just existing and forgetting reads he makes and halfheartidly pushing things. Its just weird some of his progressions and how he ended up where he is I guess?

I dont agree that calix is the towniest person in the thread though...


Vivax is caught mafia.


I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong


He's caught in a logical inconsistency. You're just blatantly disregarding it?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:15 GMT
#898
On April 10 2018 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Cause he's really openly bullshitting and he basically never wants to lynch me D1 except when he's mafia for a while already.


I'm open to lynch anyone else if you convince me otherwise.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:16 GMT
#901
On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote:
Currently I'm voting n00bking for 3 reasons

1) Sheep ES.
2) Him scumreading Oats.
3) All the talk about how claim doesn't make ES town and he can be lynched. Mafia making a blind claim when he was so far from danger is actually impossible.


Literally happened in the last game.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:17 GMT
#903
Pretty much won them the game too.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:17 GMT
#905
On April 10 2018 04:16 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Cause he's really openly bullshitting and he basically never wants to lynch me D1 except when he's mafia for a while already.


I'm open to lynch anyone else if you convince me otherwise.


Blatant lie


Have you even tried to convince me on someone else?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:18 GMT
#907
On April 10 2018 04:17 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:16 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:16 Skynx wrote:
Currently I'm voting n00bking for 3 reasons

1) Sheep ES.
2) Him scumreading Oats.
3) All the talk about how claim doesn't make ES town and he can be lynched. Mafia making a blind claim when he was so far from danger is actually impossible.


Literally happened in the last game.

?? You're talking about the vet claim?


The mafia vet claim that claimed hours before he needed to that turned out to be a mafia veteran, yes.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:18 GMT
#909
On April 10 2018 04:17 Vivax wrote:
Voted N00bking. If I was wrong on Skynx this is the time to find it out. And also I don't want to be the lynch.


Why noobking? Why unvote skynx?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:19 GMT
#910
On April 10 2018 04:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:16 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Cause he's really openly bullshitting and he basically never wants to lynch me D1 except when he's mafia for a while already.


I'm open to lynch anyone else if you convince me otherwise.


Blatant lie


Have you even tried to convince me on someone else?


I post my reasons to convince everyone if that's not enough for you I'm not going to go full private explanation session just with you which is also a ludicrous demand considering all you have been doing is pushing me with dishonest arguments.


Nothing I have written has been dishonest at all. AT ALL (apart from what I just wrote to damdred).
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:22 GMT
#920
Let's all get along nicely and vote kushm4sta. The guy wrote walls of text about balance and then decided to try and chezinu rule me instead of writing walls of text otherwise.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:22 GMT
#921
I will give vivax another day.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:24 GMT
#927
##unvote
##vote currentlyhomeless
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:25 GMT
#930
Vivax kill kush if you're town. A vote on talking noobking and calix is bad and U want to genuinely discuss reads with you.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:25 GMT
#932
And I*
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:26 GMT
#935
Noob is playing the towniest game he's played in a whole long time.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:26 GMT
#937
Vote for homeless ffs. Stop being shit.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:27 GMT
#939
On April 10 2018 04:26 Vivax wrote:
NO shenannies kill N00bking. Since HF is flailing it's a vote on mafia


What the fuck you had the highest votes you fuck. He just unvoted you to kill himself?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:27 GMT
#940
On April 10 2018 04:26 Calix wrote:
Did I miss something? Since when did you think he was town?


He's not mafia. Why are you even mentioning him now?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:27 GMT
#942
Vote currentlyhomeless or you are mafia.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:28 GMT
#946
On April 10 2018 04:28 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:27 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:26 Calix wrote:
Did I miss something? Since when did you think he was town?


He's not mafia. Why are you even mentioning him now?


Because I DON'T know who to vote for.


Currently homeless you scummer. Don't waffle with 2 minute to go now. Looks really bad.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:29 GMT
#947
On April 10 2018 04:28 Skynx wrote:
GB pushed my lynch all day, even pulled out a rayn scumread out of nowhere for it. Now thinks im actually town. GB mafia claim.


Vote homeless he has done NOTHING
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:29 GMT
#949
I'm switching calix read to absolutely mafia for this deadline. Never forget.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:38 GMT
#954
Insert berating comment here
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:38 GMT
#955
Forgive me team damdred/oats for I have seen the mafia calix light.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:40 GMT
#959
On April 10 2018 04:38 Vivax wrote:
He was unknowingly mafia. I'm fine with this.


This is such unbelievable bull shit. The votes had YOU IN THE LEAD and the moment I say to unvote you he does it AND CALIX DOES TOO and she says skynx doing it makes skynx town (and doesn't apply this metric to noobking!) and you don't even fucking realise it and say it makes me and noobking a team??????

Are you retarded or simply just actually mafia?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:40 GMT
#961
On April 10 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:38 Vivax wrote:
He was unknowingly mafia. I'm fine with this.


This is such unbelievable bull shit. The votes had YOU IN THE LEAD and the moment I say to unvote you he does it AND CALIX DOES TOO and she says skynx doing it makes skynx town (and doesn't apply this metric to noobking!) and you don't even fucking realise it and say it makes me and noobking a team??????

Are you retarded or simply just actually mafia?


Why does a nk hf team not just continue voting you vivax?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:42 GMT
#963
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


It makes perfect fucking sense. You backpedal on vivax because (no reasons) to say skynx looks towny for not voting to save himself but then you can't be fucked to vote A LITERALLY AFK PERSON THAT DOES NOTHING because you're waffling over a guy that unvoted the LEAD wagon to vote a new person with 5 minutes to go???
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:43 GMT
#964
On April 10 2018 04:40 Vivax wrote:
Now I just need a gun to rid the thread of HFs malicious influence. He really cranked up the wifom this lynch.


Vivax is mafia because he has multiple chances to interact with me and simply explain himself and does NOTHING ABOUT IT.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:44 GMT
#965
Like fuck me. Calix is super mafia. She wouldn't vote an afk wagon and waffled on noobking voting when she wanted to lynch exo who was afk voting nk!
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:46 GMT
#966
Her biggest new mafia read (exo) that she wanted to lynch is sitting afk on noobking and the last thought calix has before voting is "should I vote with my scum read?" instead of "should I follow onto this afk guy that has done nothing over the guy that just suicided himself?"
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:46 GMT
#968
Jesus christ I'm retarded.
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April 09 2018 19:47 GMT
#969
On April 10 2018 04:46 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


It makes perfect fucking sense. You backpedal on vivax because (no reasons) to say skynx looks towny for not voting to save himself but then you can't be fucked to vote A LITERALLY AFK PERSON THAT DOES NOTHING because you're waffling over a guy that unvoted the LEAD wagon to vote a new person with 5 minutes to go???


I cited the vote count as a reason to 'backpedal' on Vivax. No reasons is objectively incorrect.

I didn't know how many votes n00bking had or whatever you're talking about with him. So I didn't conclude that he unvoted the lead wagon or whatever. Whereas Skynx/ Vivax happened earlier before votes went everywhere.

I don't think this is difficult to figure out.

And why would "I couldn't be fucked to vote an AFK guy" be a scum tell unless I was literally on a scum team with currentlyhomeless? And if I was on a scum team with currentlyhomeless, why would I not just...vote for n00bking?

Your scum-read does not make any sense, lol.


Vote counts mean shit all. You just saw noobking get lynched based on absolutely nothing. No words to vote him. Why was he lynched? What case? What reason?

You think vivax is town because he never got more than three votes, was tried to be pushed off of by multiple people and the vote count was a smattering of 2s and 3s?

Makes no sense at all.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:48 GMT
#970
Bull shit did you not see noobking unvote. He did it with 8 minutes to spare!
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April 09 2018 19:49 GMT
#971
On April 10 2018 04:24 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
I will give vivax another day.

*nod*

##Unvote

##Vote: currentlyhomeless

Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:50 GMT
#972
You say vivax is town because of votes. You unvote AFTER MYSELF AND NOOBKING SO YOU KNOW VIVAX IS AT 0. Then you oonder whether noobking is the right lynch.

My fucking arse you do.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:51 GMT
#975
On April 10 2018 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
You say vivax is town because of votes. You unvote AFTER MYSELF AND NOOBKING SO YOU KNOW VIVAX IS AT 0. Then you oonder whether noobking is the right lynch.

My fucking arse you do.


It was before in vote thread but after from main thread.

But after all the nk votes at least!
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 19:52 GMT
#976
On April 10 2018 04:51 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:46 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


It makes perfect fucking sense. You backpedal on vivax because (no reasons) to say skynx looks towny for not voting to save himself but then you can't be fucked to vote A LITERALLY AFK PERSON THAT DOES NOTHING because you're waffling over a guy that unvoted the LEAD wagon to vote a new person with 5 minutes to go???


I cited the vote count as a reason to 'backpedal' on Vivax. No reasons is objectively incorrect.

I didn't know how many votes n00bking had or whatever you're talking about with him. So I didn't conclude that he unvoted the lead wagon or whatever. Whereas Skynx/ Vivax happened earlier before votes went everywhere.

I don't think this is difficult to figure out.

And why would "I couldn't be fucked to vote an AFK guy" be a scum tell unless I was literally on a scum team with currentlyhomeless? And if I was on a scum team with currentlyhomeless, why would I not just...vote for n00bking?

Your scum-read does not make any sense, lol.


Vote counts mean shit all. You just saw noobking get lynched based on absolutely nothing. No words to vote him. Why was he lynched? What case? What reason?

You think vivax is town because he never got more than three votes, was tried to be pushed off of by multiple people and the vote count was a smattering of 2s and 3s?

Makes no sense at all.


Nah. I think static votes is a bad sign. If mafia wanted to save Vivax then all they have to do is put some votes on Skynx, or me, or n00b (do you think there's any mafia on his train aside from Vivax btw?). And now that n00b's train DID take off, I'm going to look at that sometime this night.

n00b's train happened in like five seconds. Not much time to really take it in.


No it did not. It happened at least 10 minutes before deadline.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:10 GMT
#987
On April 10 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Vivax wrote:
He was unknowingly mafia. I'm fine with this.


This is such unbelievable bull shit. The votes had YOU IN THE LEAD and the moment I say to unvote you he does it AND CALIX DOES TOO and she says skynx doing it makes skynx town (and doesn't apply this metric to noobking!) and you don't even fucking realise it and say it makes me and noobking a team??????

Are you retarded or simply just actually mafia?


Why does a nk hf team not just continue voting you vivax?

Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:23 GMT
#996
On April 10 2018 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
Her biggest new mafia read (exo) that she wanted to lynch is sitting afk on noobking and the last thought calix has before voting is "should I vote with my scum read?" instead of "should I follow onto this afk guy that has done nothing over the guy that just suicided himself?"

Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:29 GMT
#998
Near end of deadline:

Vivax (3): HF, Calix, NK
Noobking (4): Exo_, Vivax, skynx, eversince

Calix: "I think Exo is a good lynch and is mafia. I also think the static votes really point to us being on the wrong track and that vivax (no longer the leading wagon) is town!"

HF: I think we should vote for afk kushm4sta because he was talking in walls of text pre-game and dropped it instantly in game to do some lame chezinu rule and afk when traditionally he's quite good at reading me, let's wagon!

NK (who is currently up for lynch): K!

Calix: OK!

Also Calix: HMMMMM static votes means everyone is town (oh but what about noobking??) let's all vote for exo!

HF: Stop fucking wifoming and vote for currentlyhomeless

Calix: HMMMM should I vote for noobking though (WHO WAS VOTING WITH ME, UNVOTED WITH ME, SHARED MY READ, SUICIDED IN FRONT OF MY EYES AND IS VOTED FOR BY MY BIGGEST SCUM READ AND IS VOUCHED FOR AS TOWN BY THE GUY I WAS VOTING WITH)

Calix: HMMMMM should I vote him though I dunnooooooo reallyyyyyyy.

Calix: lol I thought they were all town because of static votes so oh well I didn't vote?!?!?!
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:30 GMT
#1000
like fuck me if vivax is mafia and you scum read exo that's TWO OF YOUR MAFIA READS on noobking!!!!

AND THEN YOU SAY THE WAGONS ARE STATIC?????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 20:41 GMT
#1002
On April 10 2018 05:37 Calix wrote:
So why wouldn't I, as mafia, just vote for ExO_ then and look consistent and squeaky clean? Or actually vote for n00bking and join the bandwagon? Or actually vote for the AFK dude? Or actually use my vote so that I don't run into mod actions?

#morehypotheticalWIFOM

You're just pointing out that I made a dumb move at deadline regardless of my alignment. Which I said as much already.

I get why people think it's weird because I wasn't thinking logically at deadline. I also get why people could plausibly think I am scummy for it. But I couldn't have been playing optimally as 'mafia' either.

I can't really offer a better explanation than "I froze, wasn't thinking properly and made a dumb move"

If you want to keep calling me mafia, fine, but at least talk about something else because trying to get me to ""explain"" my EOD is not going to work.


I think you're partners with currentlyhomeless because there was absolutely 0 reasons not to vote him. If he's town he's a free vote, if he's mafia you can't vote him. If you are town there should be absolutely no qualms of lynching a guy with like 1 page of filter over noobking, especially since you seemed to say we shouldn't lynch people with big filters over smaller ones!! You chose the not to kill him option.

Voting exo is terrible afk useless vote and achieves nothing and makes you look bad for voting off wagons at decision time. It makes you look worse for not voting homeless.

Voting noobking is voting with your mafia read exo and your original mafia read vivax. Saying vivax is town because the votes are static when vivax wasn't even in the lead anymore is the most cop out read possible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 09 2018 20:44 GMT
#1003
On April 10 2018 02:20 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 10 2018 02:08 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:56 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:51 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:47 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
Why don't you go and look?!?


Because I want Vivax dead or spewing townie out the arse. EOD =/= time to do srs filter-diving to find mafia.

It's like 2 more hours, stop being dramatic


Have you seen the votes? lol. Best time to be a Drama Queen :D

There's nobody here that hasn't decided if they are gonna vote vivax anyway. Why does vivax!mafia ignore your question earlier but answer it now and why does town!vivax answer your question earlier?


Mafia!Vivax ignores it because he can't think of a legit explanation for it, duh. And he recently said he was 'too busy responding to other posts' to respond to mine so that would be the town!Vivax explanation.

So since he answered it and gave that explanation he isn't scum anymore right? Since that was a significant part of your earlier reasons


No because I still don't think he's done anything that 'townie' and his posts are more "meh" which is why I am happy with my current vote. If you think I am wrong then point out where he's done something townie and ELI5. I could be tunneled with "Vivax is underperforming mafia", I will admit, but I don't see anything convincing for him being town.

Furthermore, there is also a lot of resistance to his lynch and some pushes towards Skynx (who I think is town but we'll see how he responds to this EOD), n00b (I agree he hasn't posted many explicit reads but I am not convinced this is AI for him), myself (pretty terrible D1 lynch if I say so myself), etc.

@n00bking, I do not know much about Oats' play so I couldn't tell you, lol.

Literally the only resistance to his lynch is me what the heck.


I meant with wagons. Vivax/ Skynx tied. Calix/ n00b two votes. I would imagine there's a mafia on the line somewhere. I concluded Vivax because his wagon is the one that's most static and somehow hasn't exceeded three votes despite few people properly town-reading or going out on a leg to defend him.



Explain why you magically came up with the opposite conclusion now?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:46 GMT
#1004
On April 10 2018 04:12 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:10 Damdred wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 1 Vote count
remaining




Vivax (3): n00bKing, Holyflare, Calix, Glowingbear
Eversince (0): Calix, raynpelikoneet, ExO_
Calix (2): GlowingBear, Oatsmaster, Damdred
Holyflare (1): currentlyhomeless
GlowingBear (0): Skynx
n00bking (2): Vivax, Eversince, ExO_
Skynx (3): Tubesock, Glowingbear, Vivax
ExO_ (1): raynpelikoneet raynpelikoneet
Raynpelikoneet (0): Calix

Not Voting (1):
Skynx



Currently Vivax is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)


Just my thought but this vote count is horrendous for town


I actually agree with you. It is why I am starting to think Vivax might be town despite what I think of his posting. Because there have been a lot of posts but the votes have been weirdly static. Mafia is either AFK or they do not give a damn. Since you could lynch almost anyone here if you wanted to, I think it's option #2.

Holyflare
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April 09 2018 20:46 GMT
#1005
Quite literally saying whatever appeases the current person in the thread.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 22:39 GMT
#1009
On April 09 2018 23:10 Holyflare wrote:
Why is vivax town?


^ Eversince
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 23:24 GMT
#1013
On April 10 2018 07:54 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2018 23:10 Holyflare wrote:
Why is vivax town?


^ Eversince


His responses just seem like a non-linear chain of thought. Some are outlandish but that's ok. I don't care that he has some wild ideas. I do like that he is willing to pursue some of those in a blunt manner. Even if he's wrong, his line of thought is plain. Don't see why he was getting heat this cycle. But maby that's just me.



Give me examples please.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 23:41 GMT
#1018
Vivax:

Dodging all posts about calix.

Refuses to allude to why he said hf and nk were a team and didn't bother explaining why we're mafia but unvoting him where if he's town we could have just pushed harder for his lynch.

Doesn't actually care about solving the game.
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 23:42 GMT
#1019
Why can't you answer simple questions vivax? Why do you say I can't play a simple game of answering questions but then you never respond to me?
Holyflare
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April 09 2018 23:44 GMT
#1020
Calix points are very good.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 08:10 GMT
#1042
Ok Eversince is probably mafia.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 08:10 GMT
#1043
Actually almost confirmed mafia
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 08:10 GMT
#1044
I'm going to say confirmed mafia
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 08:11 GMT
#1045
On April 10 2018 16:38 Eversince wrote:
I didn't start with one. I have claimed too early though. Rereading the role pm I can either make or pass a gun per night. So It might still be of use but I'll have to spend tonight making one and then can pass it N2. But I'm probably dead already so r.r.



Gunsmith - Each night Gunsmith may choose to either create a gun, or pass a gun to another player. A player who receives a gun is treated as a 1-Shot Vigilante for the rest of the game. Gunsmith may pass a gun to the same player multiple times but may not use the gun themself. Starts the game with one gun


There is no chance you magically reread your role pm to miss out that you actually start with a gun.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 09:40 GMT
#1055
Or... The most?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 10:29 GMT
#1071
On April 10 2018 18:40 Eversince wrote:
Hf, why would mafia draw this much heat of the oven to themselves in my position? why?


You mistakenly read the gunsmith role and got called out? It's not like you're intentionally drawing attention to yourself so that's very dishonest.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 10:32 GMT
#1072
Give me the gun so I can shoot.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 10:38 GMT
#1073
Poll: Who to shoot?

Skynx (0)
 
0%

Oats (0)
 
0%

Exo (0)
 
0%

Eversince (1)
 
33%

Currentlyhomeless (0)
 
0%

Calix (2)
 
67%

Tubesock (0)
 
0%

Gb (0)
 
0%

Rayn (0)
 
0%

Vivax (0)
 
0%

Damdred (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Who to shoot?

(Vote): Skynx
(Vote): Oats
(Vote): Exo
(Vote): Eversince
(Vote): Currentlyhomeless
(Vote): Calix
(Vote): Tubesock
(Vote): Gb
(Vote): Rayn
(Vote): Vivax
(Vote): Damdred

Holyflare
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April 10 2018 10:38 GMT
#1074
I chose calix
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 11:20 GMT
#1088
On April 10 2018 19:40 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote:
I chose calix


So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then?


No, I don't think that at all.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 11:51 GMT
#1104
On April 10 2018 20:22 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 20:20 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote:
I chose calix


So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then?


No, I don't think that at all.


Care to say what you do think then? All I know is you think I am mafia, that CH is my partner and that ES is mafia for claim. Also that you may or may not scum read Vivax, I do not remember what you said about him.


I don't think es is definitely mafia with you and I don't think es is definitely mafia. Seems like the type that could quite easily make that mistake but I'm pressing to see if more are made.

Holyflare
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April 10 2018 11:52 GMT
#1105
On April 10 2018 20:28 currentlyhomeless wrote:
GB is still scum

this ever business is just a distraction


I will absolutely sheep this read.

Probably.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 11:53 GMT
#1106
On April 10 2018 20:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 20:22 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 20:20 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote:
I chose calix


So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then?


No, I don't think that at all.


Care to say what you do think then? All I know is you think I am mafia, that CH is my partner and that ES is mafia for claim. Also that you may or may not scum read Vivax, I do not remember what you said about him.


I don't think es is definitely mafia with you and I don't think es is definitely mafia. Seems like the type that could quite easily make that mistake but I'm pressing to see if more are made.



I don't even think ch is necessarily mafia anymore either but I still think you are because of your posts about static votes meaning someone is mafia but then saying static votes make everyone town. Also your indecision at deadline looking incredibly fake between a choice of voting with your scum reads or not.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 11:59 GMT
#1110
I think exo is town. Come at me.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 12:09 GMT
#1117
On April 10 2018 21:03 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
I think exo is town. Come at me.


:: Why?


Tone innit.

Just like what he's saying and the way he's saying it. Probably because it's just copying me and he called me town so I won't interfere.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 12:12 GMT
#1119
If I'm not medic saved I swear to god.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 12:17 GMT
#1123
Is it not weird how static votes make someone mafia but then static votes makes everyone town but when all the votes peel off vivax and when exo and vivax vote off town noobking (calix's biggest scum reads) she maintains the static vote bs? Have you heard anything about her vivax read since? Her two biggest Original scum reads voted to save her biggest scum read and vote.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 12:18 GMT
#1124
Can you actually explain the discrepancies calix? Don't think you have. What changed your mind between those two static vote posts?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 12:35 GMT
#1133
On April 10 2018 21:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 21:18 Holyflare wrote:
Can you actually explain the discrepancies calix? Don't think you have. What changed your mind between those two static vote posts?


I did. The difference is timing + blind paranoia at EOD. We have argued over similar stuff before and repeating arguments is boring. And also distracts me from reads.

It is documented that I do stupid shit at EOD as town. So while being a retard at EOD doesn’t make me town, it’s not out of my town range.

You just don’t like the explanation because it’s not “logical” but it is the best one you are getting. Because discussing it is not productive. Obvious trade off is that I look really suspicious and everyone will think I am “bussing” whenever I so much as glare at someone. But I will take it.


I don't give a shit about your eod. I care about why like a few hours before deadline you say "all these static votes probably makes one mafia" but then you SWITCHED opinion to say it makes everyone town. Why did you alter that opinion?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 17:07 GMT
#1152
On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.

-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there.

- His attacks on me were nitpicking over what I said about the reason for him to start a push on me and he blew that nit to a cake that you all willingly ate. When that was done and explained in my opinion he just ignores it and comes up with something else like I haven't pushed NK and Skynx which is just straight out false.

- He attacks multiple people for whom there are strong reasons to be town like Damdred and rayn over shitty reasons. Also says rayn rather not but rayn maybe mafia when asked about his reads which is ridiculous to say.

- When he realizes he can't get me lynched he just switches to currentlyhomeless who can also be mafia and just bussing HF for shits and giggles cause that's what kush does (bus like crazy when he's mafia) and probably tilting him to the point that HF tries to get him killed at EoD. Yes I actually believe that's a possibility.

- He also never gave a read on NK besides that he liked my case on him and that he's null for him but at EoD acts like he gives such a big shit about not lynching NK which doesn't make sense unless he knew exactly that NK was town and just strategically moved his vote.

His townreads are very few, his null reads don't interest him and he just keeps attacking obvious townies at every opening he finds. That's mafia HF, game.


I never ever attacked es for claiming when there's a rber. I let the claim be so it's a moot point. You're literally agreeing with my approach.

My attacks on your were not nitpicking in the slightest. You cannot simultaneously say I'm mafia defending a wagon while not concluding the wagon is mafia. If you did not mean it in that way then do not add it to your posts.

My points on rayn are not bad. He comes back after scum reading you and basically hard defends you with nothing given in between. Damdred has absolutely 0 strong reasons to be town other than he thinks calix is mafia which I do now too. You can see where my stance on him changes after the deadline.

What do you mean when I realised you can't be lynched? You were the leading wagon and it would have been easy to apply last minute pressure. People told me to give you more time and I allowed it because it would be more fun to me to watch you squirm and actually have to put effort in as mafia and homeless had a high chance of being mafia.

I gave a read on noobking. I even investigated into YOUR OWN CASE. I liked your case, I explored that case and questioned noobking about what he meant with regards to rayn being illegible. Turns out you misconstrued his post and he meant rayn's lack of quoting references. Easily seen in my filter. I also gave a read on him when he actually became a threat of being lynched saying he seems fine, has a big filter and said not awful things in comparison to his mafia game. I even vouched for him being townier at deadline. His vote switch off you sealed that for me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 10 2018 17:08 GMT
#1153
On April 10 2018 20:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 20:22 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 20:20 Holyflare wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 19:38 Holyflare wrote:
I chose calix


So you think the team is Calix/CH/Eversince then?


No, I don't think that at all.


Care to say what you do think then? All I know is you think I am mafia, that CH is my partner and that ES is mafia for claim. Also that you may or may not scum read Vivax, I do not remember what you said about him.


I don't think es is definitely mafia with you and I don't think es is definitely mafia. Seems like the type that could quite easily make that mistake but I'm pressing to see if more are made.



Good scum read. Many obvious town pushes.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 10 2018 17:21 GMT
#1154
Now chop chop. Your one misconstrued scum read flipped town and all you have left is.... Skynx?

You say you're more laid back and can focus on other things but yet you still just try and attack me more. It's not a good look.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 10 2018 17:37 GMT
#1160
On April 11 2018 02:22 Vivax wrote:
Well basically the only guy who could be mafia with me would be skynx cause his vote allowed me to get the hammer off myself and I had been voting him before so you would have to be arguing that I was trying to lynch my teammate.

Ergo you can't still think I'm mafia.


No? Skynx, exo, anyone afk? You could see exo afk on noobking and jump at the opportunity for a counter wagon. Many possibilities?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 10 2018 17:43 GMT
#1161
I would have concluded you're towny if you weren't like the worst and continued voting noobking AFTER HE SUICIDED HIMSELF TO KEEP YOU ALIVE.

The problem I have with your play, if you're town, and pretty much in general really is that you come up with the dumbest conclusions possible and then form entire worlds around it and never relent. That's why I have trouble seeing you being town. I can't fathom how anyone continues to think noobking is mafia in that position but yet you say it's hf/nk team.

Furthermore, I don't think you can possibly believe myself and calix are a team with kush. My read switch was the most genuine thing possible and yet you try to construe it another way.

Even now, the thing that bugs me the most, is that you use your terrible misconstrued read on noobking and the bad lynch on him as ammunition to scum read ME. It's downright hilarious because even though I got nk to clarify your case points on him you never once gave a shit to acknowledge them.

If you don't want to read this ramble then tell me one thing. I just want one question answered. Why did you vote for noobking when your case on him was disproven and you thought I was most likely out of everyone to be mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 10 2018 17:46 GMT
#1162
Why do you scum read calix even? Who the fuck even knows???

It was skynx/hf/nk and then skynx and nk are the only two people in the game you had any kind of scum read on. Calix even got a TOWN read. Now suddenly I give reasons to vote for calix and you hop on that train?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 10 2018 17:48 GMT
#1163
Let us not forget how you initially made this scum read mr vivax. It's that I wanted to get you lynched because I'm defending my scum partner off the wagon (Eversince who you town read) or you're closing in on my partners nk/skynx.

Now nk has flipped town and you've apparently town read Eversince forever (let's not forget deadline where you actually said you scum read her) you have none of that read to fall back on.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 18:09 GMT
#1164
This game is really sad because I don't have a solid town read on any one of you. I live in a world where calix flips mafia and a world where calix doesn't flip mafia. The latter is the hardest world to live in.


Calix Flips Mafia


Town
Oats
Damdred

Townier Than Null
Tubesock
Exo_
Skynx

Null
ES
Homeless
Rayn (might drop him because of weak push to calix and random flip flopping on vivax etc)
Glowingbear (in a mafia calix world he pushed calix early but then what was he doing with it? weak partner push? underwhelming all game)

Scummers
Vivax
Calix (the world of calix vivax doesn't make sense to be fair, don't really care so much because one of the town of them is dropping the ball massively)


The calix doesn't flip mafia list is just depressing so let's not go there.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 18:20 GMT
#1165
Fuck it, let's go there.


Calix Flips Town



Town
N/A

Townier Than Null
Oats
Tubesock
Exo_ (buddied?)
Skynx (don't hate, probably could be lower, not particularly read(or was it him that buddied me???))

Null
ES
Homeless
Rayn (might drop him because of weak push to calix and random flip flopping on vivax etc)
Damdred (possibly drop, tried to save vivax by voting calix)

Scummers
Homeless (no input on any wagon whatsoever, keeps referencing es being mafia and now I'm not?)
Vivax (always)
Glowingbear (absolutely underwhelming filter full of questions and piggybacking off people's posts to make points)
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 18:21 GMT
#1166
Actually forgot that homeless is scummy in a calix is mafia world too because of the vote situation.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 18:23 GMT
#1167
exo and skynx need massive looking into, probably should be null
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 19:09 GMT
#1168
If I die tonight after not being healed this game is a travesty.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 19:36 GMT
#1170
?????????????
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 19:36 GMT
#1171
Is that a modkill?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 19:47 GMT
#1173
raynpelikoneet/vivax/calix
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:06 GMT
#1174
everyone is just afk....?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:16 GMT
#1176
Do something rayn
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:40 GMT
#1178
Bye then
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:40 GMT
#1179
Look for people that even remotely town read gb. There will be a mafia.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:42 GMT
#1180
There's a GlowingBear kill when he was afk in a game where hf/rayn are town read by a lot of people. Vivax thinks he's well towny and calix also talks a lot. None of them died. Kush loves to make those plays all the time.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 20:45 GMT
#1183
Why are you being such a dick?
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 21:26 GMT
#1204
I will say rayn is back to town.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 21:30 GMT
#1207
If she's the actual gunsmith she gets rbd, if she's mafia gunsmith she gets "rbd". Pointless shit.
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 21:33 GMT
#1211
Which they will with a gunsmith
Holyflare
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April 10 2018 22:52 GMT
#1219
On April 11 2018 07:44 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck it, let's go there.


Calix Flips Town



Town
N/A

Townier Than Null
Oats
Tubesock
Exo_ (buddied?)
Skynx (don't hate, probably could be lower, not particularly read(or was it him that buddied me???))

Null
ES
Homeless
Rayn (might drop him because of weak push to calix and random flip flopping on vivax etc)
Damdred (possibly drop, tried to save vivax by voting calix)

Scummers
Homeless (no input on any wagon whatsoever, keeps referencing es being mafia and now I'm not?)
Vivax (always)
Glowingbear (absolutely underwhelming filter full of questions and piggybacking off people's posts to make points)


ok HF is back to #1 scum, ain’t reading shit. read my posts and you know my read on ever

also cause GB was not actually scum, my b

##vote Holyflare

also in this post I’m null and scum dafak


I read your posts on ever and I still don't get it. Just looks like scum read.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 10 2018 22:54 GMT
#1220
Not to mention you quoted the calix is town post. Any particular reason for that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 06:38 GMT
#1431
On April 11 2018 08:13 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 07:52 Holyflare wrote:
On April 11 2018 07:44 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck it, let's go there.


Calix Flips Town



Town
N/A

Townier Than Null
Oats
Tubesock
Exo_ (buddied?)
Skynx (don't hate, probably could be lower, not particularly read(or was it him that buddied me???))

Null
ES
Homeless
Rayn (might drop him because of weak push to calix and random flip flopping on vivax etc)
Damdred (possibly drop, tried to save vivax by voting calix)

Scummers
Homeless (no input on any wagon whatsoever, keeps referencing es being mafia and now I'm not?)
Vivax (always)
Glowingbear (absolutely underwhelming filter full of questions and piggybacking off people's posts to make points)


ok HF is back to #1 scum, ain’t reading shit. read my posts and you know my read on ever

also cause GB was not actually scum, my b

##vote Holyflare

also in this post I’m null and scum dafak


I read your posts on ever and I still don't get it. Just looks like scum read.


what a liar

there isn’t much to read in my posts on ever it’s pretty obvious

for my royal observers

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On April 09 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:47 Eversince wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:45 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 09 2018 22:41 Eversince wrote:
I can't qoute it to you ;p, believe me or don't. I don't care. Mafia will kill me tonight.


if you are actually town why would mafia kill you

maybe I’m dumb but I don’t get it


I just claimed a blue.... mafia will kill me. Or next level mafia shit if they have a RB, they can RB me to lead a mislynch cycle 2. I don't know if they have a RB though. If they do not though I will take kp tonight.


this post is so scummy wtf


aka I think you’re town but wtf this post sucks

starting here:

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On April 10 2018 17:19 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 10 2018 16:38 Eversince wrote:
I didn't start with one. I have claimed too early though. Rereading the role pm I can either make or pass a gun per night. So It might still be of use but I'll have to spend tonight making one and then can pass it N2. But I'm probably dead already so r.r.


wtf


oh shit is ever actually scum

next few posts I thought it over and considered flipping my reads on ever & HF based on the interaction but in the end none of it was indicative imo

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On April 10 2018 20:28 currentlyhomeless wrote:
GB is still scum

this ever business is just a distraction


back to sq 1



This never retracts the scum read, just says it's a distraction.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 06:46 GMT
#1432
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


This was discussed all night. You made a wall of text saying I was mafia for pushing Eversince by looking into these inconsistencies. Now you're doing the same and treating it like it never happened.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 06:52 GMT
#1433
On April 11 2018 10:28 Vivax wrote:
But of course HF wouldn't answer to his own mistake when he can just keep delivering truckloads of words to bury them with.


Answer my own mistake? It's just a copy and paste error from the previous list obviously?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 07:06 GMT
#1435
Do you still have a gun Eversince?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 09:45 GMT
#1472
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?

Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 09:46 GMT
#1473
It was like 5 pages of thread.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 11:14 GMT
#1476
Read instead?
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 11:42 GMT
#1479
On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?

Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun?

If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had.

I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.

Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia.




Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1.

Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 11:57 GMT
#1482
On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.

I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.

Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2


"guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell.

Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself.

I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 12:51 GMT
#1490
I'm talking about vivax on n1. He's treating es saying she doesn't have a gun then as scummy today but last night said I was scummy for pushing the exact same thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 15:15 GMT
#1493
On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.

On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3


Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|



???????
.......??????

???

This is THE EXACT SAME STUFF YOU CALLED ME MAFIA FOR PUSHING BECAUSE ES IS "OBVIOUSLY TOWN" AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING HER.

Jesus fuck the mafia is unreal.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 17:22 GMT
#1497
Why you just repeating things, Skynx?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 17:23 GMT
#1499
On April 12 2018 00:15 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.

On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3


Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|



???????
.......??????

???

This is THE EXACT SAME STUFF YOU CALLED ME MAFIA FOR PUSHING BECAUSE ES IS "OBVIOUSLY TOWN" AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING HER.

Jesus fuck the mafia is unreal.


This is the most fucked up thing in this thread and not one person has commented on it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 17:28 GMT
#1501
On April 12 2018 02:24 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why you just repeating things, Skynx?


I suggested the night kill pointed to him first


Why are you repeatedly dodging vivax posts?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 18:23 GMT
#1514
On April 12 2018 03:09 Calix wrote:
Went and gathered most of Vivax's posts on Eversince.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 11 2018 01:27 Vivax wrote:
I'm sort of more laid back today and have more room in my head to consider other options. Basically though there's a bunch of shit I don't like when going through HF which really prevent me from doing that for his case.

-.he attacks ES blue claim over some stupid forgetting the RBer argument when the timing in my opinion wasn't scummy at all as claiming for mafia is a last resort and is not something they would dare doing early in the day with few votes on them. The claim read all around fine to me and is something that can be discussed after one or two nights anyway when it's proven or not so the mafia motivation for HF to get a D1 lynch on the gunsmith going is there.

On April 11 2018 09:29 Vivax wrote:
DOesn't gun smith make a gun every night that only activates the day after? THe way she worded it actually sounds off

On April 11 2018 09:31 Vivax wrote:
No actually nobody would get a gun on the first but the gunsmith can create one and pass that one on the next night. The fishyness is increasing.

On April 11 2018 09:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.

I gave the gun to Rayn

(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.

The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.


You can't have had a gun??? Role info from OP says that first you have to make one (phase1) and can pass it on afterwards (phase2). You skipped creating your gun in your version?

On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 09:39 Eversince wrote:
I mistoke my role pm that's why I didn't think I had one. The fact there was not double kp and Rayn didn't get it cofirms him town for me. It will confirm both of us after one of us flips.


It doesn't confirm you though. If you flip mafia then town!rayn would never receive a gun and neither would mafia rayn. If you are town then mafia rayn can lie about it.

On April 11 2018 09:44 Vivax wrote:
really strange reasoning there ES

On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.

On April 11 2018 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Noteworthy that Sickkusher jumps the gun here and goes from "Hard game cause HF is mafia fuck must kill HF" to "well I'd rather lynch ES over a mechanics misunderstanding".

On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


are you scum this game???

ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1

this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun”

it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith

1500% scum


That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.

On April 11 2018 10:25 Vivax wrote:
Deep inside I still believe it's a bad idea to lynch her D2 over the devilish holyflare

On April 11 2018 10:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim


Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign.

by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game?


Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to?


Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones.


That's the feeling I get from it as well. But I could totally understand why anyone would scumread her for them. Tis a difficult case. But idk I just don't get the feeling she's mafia or why she would have claimed so early as mafia.

Meh fuck it going with gut here and declaring that I'm not going to vote for that.

On April 11 2018 10:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:32 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:21 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok so the two scenarios here is that either Ever is town, completely misread her rolepm multiple times, doesnt know how her actions work OR ever is mafia and completely botching the fakeclaim


Sure. But she is uncc’d. And completely untrustworthy so will have almost zero influence. Plus if she’s truthful mafia is using up the rub on her till they kill her. If there’s a medic or cop or whatever they have free reign.

by uncc'd you mean she managed to pick one of the many roles that arent in this game?


Or the real GS doesnt wanna out themselves because right now, they dont need to?


Those could be true realities. I think she’s town GS and is derping. Lots of townies derp massively concerning their claims. Scum generally have polished ones.

Dont make me laugh


No Oats he has a point cause since the information is in the OP which can be read BY BOTH ALIGNMENTS she would make the mistakes she made no matter her alignment. Cause it doesn't matter what her alignment is if she misreads it either way.


So generally skeptical but eventually concludes Eversince would fuck up as both alignments.

Then Vivax pops in to say this:

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 22:47 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2018 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.

On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3


Voted ES suggest you do the same cause CH isn't mafia. By the way nice catch on ES shoulda found it myself :|


I couldn't remember off the top of my head what rayn's 'catch' was so looked for that:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip

which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died

but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB

roflmao this actually makes sense.

Eversince elaborate please?

On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.

I gave the gun to Rayn

(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.

The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town.

So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died.

On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.


I don't think it's as scummy as HF makes it out to be. Vivax said he wasn't going to vote Eversince based on the mistakes she made with the GS role. Then currentlyhomeless and rayn point out that Eversince knew there weren't two flips while also claiming to not know who died. That doesn't have anything to do with 'not reading the role card' correctly. Don't see the incongruency because it's not "the exact same reason" really.




...........??.?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 18:24 GMT
#1515
That's all his posts today. Look at his post accusing me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 18:30 GMT
#1518
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.

Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.

Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 18:38 GMT
#1521
On April 12 2018 03:34 Skynx wrote:
What is POE? I didn't get to learn it in 2 years


Path of exile.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 18:54 GMT
#1527
On April 12 2018 03:40 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.

Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.

Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.


It is true that Vivax scum-reads rayn yet votes for Eversince based on a reason he attributes to rayn.

I don't agree that Vivax called ES mafia for role mechanics. As noted earlier, rayn's point which Vivax refers to relates to an information gap with the day-post. Which is a reason you couldn't have used because the day-post stuff happened later.


The whole point last night was that es didn't know gunsmith has a gun n1.

The whole point today is that es is mafia because (i don't actually know the reason? That she didn't claim she still had a gun and waffled?)

Last night was a better reason and vivax said I was mafia for pushing it. Today is a what reason?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 18:55 GMT
#1528
On April 12 2018 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.

Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.

Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.

Tbh this one you are wrong on. Vivax attacked es only after ch and me said she saw only 1 flip but didnt know gb flipped. That is a different thing you were saying.

I am home in an hour. Can you bulletpoint a liat on vivax where you want my opinion on to make it faster?


He's voting her because she didn't claim she had a gun.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 19:11 GMT
#1531
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 19:43 GMT
#1545
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 11 2018 20:08 GMT
#1552
On April 12 2018 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.

Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia

Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point


That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?


I didn't see you really pushing this point. Your biggest wall of text was talking about her inconsistencies and talking about the gun and then I saw vivax come in and say "You're right rayn, how did I forget that." Think you wrote about 1 line on the GB/night kill part and if Homeless pushed it then Vivax certainly didn't give him any credit for it.

It's a correct point to push and it's why Exo looks really really really bad for not pushing it tbh and she should well be the lynch but I still think Vivax is being opportune.

I realise I'm pretty tunneled at this point though so I'll stop hammering on about it for now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 20:11 GMT
#1553
On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.

I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.

Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2


"guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell.

Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself.

I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 11 2018 20:24 GMT
#1561
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time


She didn't know GB died so she literally didn't read the night one post.

Plz flip mafia more.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:26 GMT
#1562
On April 12 2018 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:
On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix?


He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh.

okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does.
gotcha,.


"playing" - Good joke.

Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead.

So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did?
Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred.


I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens.

No, this is what you literally said.
That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia.

That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both.

So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is?


Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'.

I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads.

The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses.

Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see.

Youre talking about this.

You clearly implied i am (and skynx) more scummy than Damdred is because you literally said "That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia" and Damdred is just something else and not a real scumread . When i confront you about it you say actually you are not sure if i am mafia or even if skynx is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me. So like you first concluded gb kill doesn't make any sense UNLESS skynx or rayn or both are mafia, and now you are not really sure fi rayn or even skynx is mafia when nothing on that front hasn't changed (it's impossible to change tbh because regardless of what we have posted after gb was still the night kill and someone shot him -- and you were ONLY talking about that).

The last post was sarcastic because i tried many posts and you managed to never answer my question i asked you in the first place and just backpedalled from your earlier conclusion for imo no apparent reason.


Just like you've told me my vivax point is bad, I'm telling you this point on calix is bad. I'm pretty sure her post about the night kills was a hypothetical scum scenario based on the night kill (like when I posted you/calix/vivax in red) because that's what makes the most sense at the time.

If you're saying something different let me know and I'll take a proper look at it though.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:41 GMT
#1579
On April 12 2018 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, hte only other scumreads she gives in that post are Eversince and Exo.
When i confront him about Damdred, who she should imo be scumreading if she is town because Damdred just dropped a seemingly random vote on Calix when imo there was no reason to scumread her, she cannot answer why Damdred could not be mafia and instead says she is not sure if either of me and Skynx are mafia....


Didn't see that post where she actually follows through and calls skynx mafia before. Carry on.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:44 GMT
#1583
You know if es flips town we're lynching you next exo?

+ Show Spoiler +
and also if she flips mafia
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:47 GMT
#1586
Also kush/homeless/whoever you are, it looks like I'm not reading to you because I'm not particularly reading. I just skim at work and phone post forever now instead. Not the hf of old.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:49 GMT
#1588
I think it is still.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 20:49 GMT
#1590
He's saying very kush things about me.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 21:14 GMT
#1595
On April 12 2018 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
He's saying very kush things about me.

Are you mafia?


No?
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 21:15 GMT
#1596
What kind of stupid comment are you expecting?
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:04 GMT
#1599
I don't care where my scum reads are voting if there is something scummier to vote.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:05 GMT
#1600
And actually calix isn't so much of a scum read if es is mafia. Rayn is a town read.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:06 GMT
#1601
And it's hard to understand because rayn writes 2 lines on es and you say "ah rayn so good finding that" when it was homeless that originally wrote that.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:07 GMT
#1602
On April 12 2018 07:06 Holyflare wrote:
And it's hard to understand because rayn writes 2 lines on es and you say "ah rayn so good finding that" when it was homeless that originally wrote that.


And you agreed with it then??
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:19 GMT
#1605
On April 12 2018 07:10 Vivax wrote:
Highly doubt CH wrote anything about it as the dumb tell is something that happened after he said he'd be going ham at work. Or he wrote it after I went to bed.


He wrote about the gb and Eversince thing, had an entire conversation about it with rayn and you return and buddy rayn who wrote 3 sentences on it instead of the actual guy who wrote about it.

Looks really bad to me because you don't have the thread knowledge/reading comprehension to realise who posted the read first and also buddying rayn for it.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:20 GMT
#1606
And I realise it's definitely sicklucker now.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:26 GMT
#1610
On April 12 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote:
Way ahead of you on figuring out who it is.

And I'm not buddying anyone just cause i agree with them. It really doesn't matter with whom I agree here as even mafia can point out something about a mafia ES: But I agree with them regardless.


Of course it matters what the shit? If someone finds an inconsistency like that then you want to know who does it first because you are likely to town read them??
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:30 GMT
#1613
On April 12 2018 07:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote:
Way ahead of you on figuring out who it is.

And I'm not buddying anyone just cause i agree with them. It really doesn't matter with whom I agree here as even mafia can point out something about a mafia ES: But I agree with them regardless.


Of course it matters what the shit? If someone finds an inconsistency like that then you want to know who does it first because you are likely to town read them??


Nah even mafia can find it first. And I don't need to townread CH cause I was already townreading him from our nightly exchange.


You town read him originally for pointing out the inconsistencies you called me mafia for pointing out.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:31 GMT
#1615
Just wait till you get to exo's posts.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:36 GMT
#1617
On April 11 2018 10:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +

claims to not have a gun then backtracks when called out on it


Call me stupid if I missed this but where? I checked again and the first thing she says post claim regarding this is the following:

Show nested quote +
On April 09 2018 22:33 Eversince wrote:
If I live the night I will either give my gun to Rayn or Calix.
Probably Calix because I like her reads.


So show me how you didn't pull above statement out of your bum?

On April 11 2018 10:16 Vivax wrote:
Hmm, if "I live the night" might be sketchy and mean you have a point there. Damn. I seriously hope she isn't choking on her own wording here while being town.

On April 11 2018 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Okay CH you have successfully beaten through my stubbornness and will have my unconditional sheep for today.


Scum read ch. Say it's suspicious to push onto es based on mechanics so he looks worse. He points out mechanics. You agree and say you'll sheep.

This is literally all pointed out AT NIGHT BY ME.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:37 GMT
#1618
That you SCUM READ me for.
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 22:44 GMT
#1621
No, it's because you're either being shitty mafia or literally being the laziest fuck town who doesn't read the thread but then makes accusations based on unread sentiments. Just like now ANOTHER unread thing that you randomly attribute to rayn.

You say CH's points are good before this gb/night kill thing took place BUT UNTIL THAT POINT NOTHING NEW HAD OCCURRED.

You had absolutely no reason to change your mind on Eversince UNTIL this gb thing. But you did indulge in it for no reason other than "oh mechanics inconsistencies".
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 23:35 GMT
#1629
So what exactly am I mafia for now?
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 23:36 GMT
#1630
Who do you even think mafia is?
Holyflare
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April 11 2018 23:42 GMT
#1632
Not since n1 no
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 07:58 GMT
#1654
Tube I'm just gonna vote ever. I don't think sleep deprivation causes you to not know who dies but know there's 1kp. At least if you're town and trying to figure out the game you look at a name.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 07:58 GMT
#1655
And yeah my case on calix was good.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 11:54 GMT
#1683
On April 12 2018 20:35 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
And actually calix isn't so much of a scum read if es is mafia. Rayn is a town read.

why calix and es can't be together?


She was the first to initially make a case on es which would have lynched es if she didn't claim. Now she's on the es wagon. There's a possibility that she could be mafia with es and I think my points still hold but I'm reserving judgement for now.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 11:58 GMT
#1686
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 15:07 GMT
#1701
Yeah all those people lynching es sure are mafia with es.

Holyflare
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April 12 2018 16:32 GMT
#1714
On April 12 2018 23:36 Vivax wrote:
Nobody tried to save my ass when the lynch was headed for me. The only one who did was arguably you but that doesn't make you conf. town in my eyes. You might just have been afraid to be the hammer for me as mafia.

Either way I was a super easy save if I had two teammates, but I don't and hence I'm town. So I'm really really annoyed that I need to keep explaining myself when anyone with a shred of logic can see that.


Me, calix, noob, Skynx, exo (someone else?) all unvoted you/put votes to save you. What is this nonsense about nobody saving you?
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 16:38 GMT
#1718
I could have easily made a hard push and convinced someone to vote you??
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 18:37 GMT
#1764
On April 13 2018 01:49 Vivax wrote:
But I highly doubt he's town as he would be wary of anyone townreading him on a weak basis. But he's just fine being townread without a single explanation precisely cause eh's mafia.


Skynx and exo are my scum reads. Tubesock I'm also wary of. All the hard es defenders also call me town. I am wary of them.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 18:47 GMT
#1765
Everyone is arguing for a town es and nobody even fucking cares that she hasn't confirmed whether she still has a gun or not.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 19:01 GMT
#1767
On April 13 2018 03:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking through ExO one of the first things he does is vote ES and want an explanation from her for her read on him so it seems like an unlikely SvS interaction and anyone proposing ExO + ES which seems to be what HF and rayn say should be a brilliant salesman.


"I'll vote es for until she replies" is effectively what he says. That's the most crap explanation of why it can't be svs I think I've ever read. In fact it looks MORE svs because of it.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:34 GMT
#1779
On April 13 2018 04:44 Vivax wrote:
Eager to see who dies tonight though. Might just narrow it down enough to end up solving the game. My money is on Oats, CH or myself even though Oats was easily pocketed by HF.

HF hard town read by entire town should die here if he's actually town but it's not going to happen.


Just give up, I'm never gonna let you lynch me. Find a new push to endlessly whine about.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:40 GMT
#1780
On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.


I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.

Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2


Most mafia post I saw during the day.

Green is OK reason imo to town read someone.... if that were the only thing you were basing it on.

Red is a legitimate reason to scum read ES that is just completely brushed off. I even replied giving scum reasons for ES to do that and it wasn't even acknowledged.

It's also a really like... fabricated post. It's like he's arguing with himself in his own post about weighing up reasons and it's like he's reaching a conclusion while writing it rather than already having formed an answer before posting.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:42 GMT
#1781
Also, just to add insult to injury, if someone had voted on the vivax wagon I would have absolutely maintained my vote on him to lynch him rather than switching to homeless.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:43 GMT
#1782
When skynx voted vivax I couldn't be bothered to argue to convince someone so I went for a low content poster that had a quite high chance of being mafia rather than a more towny looking NK.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:44 GMT
#1783
I am pretty certain if I was mafia and vivax was town though I would have yelled to get vivax lynched.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:45 GMT
#1784
rayn probably ends up being mafia with a gun now though or some pointless bull shit
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 20:48 GMT
#1785
nah probably not
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:37 GMT
#1816
On April 13 2018 07:21 Vivax wrote:
Why was GB killed N1 Oats over you, HF and rayn who were being almost universally townread with the exception of me and maybe a few others?


Lol why the fuck would I ever kill gb when I'm throwing shade his way and he's playing afk as fuck.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:40 GMT
#1819
On April 13 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 07:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:13 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:11 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 06:58 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 06:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
so is HF still mafia or you dropped that because you "caught" me


It doesn't matter what he is cause you're mafia regardless of what he is.

that makes no sense


On April 13 2018 06:51 Vivax wrote:
HF confirmed my version you have BEEN ATTACKING FOR ZERO REASONS unless you either are 1) scum with HF or 2) filled with TMI to the brim that makes you defend townies for the worst of reasons.


And add to this your hipster read on ES

that 3 other people agreed with me?
man, thats such a strong argument


You're telling me they're all town? TYVM

Im telling you that reading ES as town isnt scummy?


This isn't an important point in your case. The important point is why you feel it necessary to say that HF would have switched off me regardless of Skynx coming in and saving me with his vote. A point you keep dodging by pretending not to understand.

If HF is town you are just buddying him by attacking me and speaking for him.
If he's mafia you are defending your teammate.

Enlighten me about what your town motivation could possibly be for defending HF like that.

So if mafia HF is seeing that, he sees that ok, noobking is town, i dont really care if he dies so then ill just try to lynch CH for no particular reason?
It makes 0 sense.


What you argue made no sense as in that HF regardless of his alignment didn't want to lynch me the moment my lynch wasn't going to happen any more.

Didn't.Want.To.

But he wanted to. You said he didn't.

Why?


When you weren't the majority I could have yelled harder and lynched you. I couldn't be bothered so I didn't want to lynch you really.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:40 GMT
#1820
On April 13 2018 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Do you even have a single townread HF?


I don't actually lol.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:41 GMT
#1821
On April 13 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Do you even have a single townread HF?


I don't actually lol.


Probably rayn tbh.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:45 GMT
#1822
Need to know calix's alignment.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 22:46 GMT
#1823
Also nobody is dying tonight, trust me
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:03 GMT
#1828
On April 13 2018 07:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 07:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:23 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:13 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:11 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
[quote]
that makes no sense


On April 13 2018 06:51 Vivax wrote:
HF confirmed my version you have BEEN ATTACKING FOR ZERO REASONS unless you either are 1) scum with HF or 2) filled with TMI to the brim that makes you defend townies for the worst of reasons.


And add to this your hipster read on ES

that 3 other people agreed with me?
man, thats such a strong argument


You're telling me they're all town? TYVM

Im telling you that reading ES as town isnt scummy?


This isn't an important point in your case. The important point is why you feel it necessary to say that HF would have switched off me regardless of Skynx coming in and saving me with his vote. A point you keep dodging by pretending not to understand.

If HF is town you are just buddying him by attacking me and speaking for him.
If he's mafia you are defending your teammate.

Enlighten me about what your town motivation could possibly be for defending HF like that.

So if mafia HF is seeing that, he sees that ok, noobking is town, i dont really care if he dies so then ill just try to lynch CH for no particular reason?
It makes 0 sense.


What you argue made no sense as in that HF regardless of his alignment didn't want to lynch me the moment my lynch wasn't going to happen any more.

Didn't.Want.To.

But he wanted to. You said he didn't.

Why?

He literally didn't want to lynch you as can be seen by the unvote and vote onto ch


He couldn't!That's the difference which he confirmed.


No it isn't. I said I couldn't be bothered? Why is this conversation even happening?
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:21 GMT
#1835
On April 13 2018 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
rayn probably ends up being mafia with a gun now though or some pointless bull shit

On April 13 2018 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
nah probably not


It was definitely not pessimistic rhetoric or anything.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:23 GMT
#1837
On April 13 2018 08:14 currentlyhomeless wrote:
this game sucks

Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 04:44 Vivax wrote:
Eager to see who dies tonight though. Might just narrow it down enough to end up solving the game. My money is on Oats, CH or myself even though Oats was easily pocketed by HF.

HF hard town read by entire town should die here if he's actually town but it's not going to happen.


Just give up, I'm never gonna let you lynch me. Find a new push to endlessly whine about.


HF pls explain this post


Do you have any tangible reasons why vivax scum reads anybody in this game? I sure don't. If he stops whining about me to everyone in the game then he's forced to actually produce content.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:23 GMT
#1838
On April 13 2018 08:22 currentlyhomeless wrote:
if rayn is scum and has a gun we lose with a mislynch tomorrow

so we cannot mislynch tomorrow


Look at this guy calculating how many mislynches are left.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:26 GMT
#1843
On April 13 2018 08:25 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 08:14 currentlyhomeless wrote:
this game sucks

On April 13 2018 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 04:44 Vivax wrote:
Eager to see who dies tonight though. Might just narrow it down enough to end up solving the game. My money is on Oats, CH or myself even though Oats was easily pocketed by HF.

HF hard town read by entire town should die here if he's actually town but it's not going to happen.


Just give up, I'm never gonna let you lynch me. Find a new push to endlessly whine about.


HF pls explain this post


Do you have any tangible reasons why vivax scum reads anybody in this game? I sure don't. If he stops whining about me to everyone in the game then he's forced to actually produce content.


this was not the answer I expected but ok

so you still think vivax is scum


Dunno really. I don't actually have a town read.

I think I'm too blinded by him being this subpar. I want to lynch exo the most. I think.
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April 12 2018 23:31 GMT
#1849
On April 13 2018 08:28 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 08:25 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 13 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 08:14 currentlyhomeless wrote:
this game sucks

On April 13 2018 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 04:44 Vivax wrote:
Eager to see who dies tonight though. Might just narrow it down enough to end up solving the game. My money is on Oats, CH or myself even though Oats was easily pocketed by HF.

HF hard town read by entire town should die here if he's actually town but it's not going to happen.


Just give up, I'm never gonna let you lynch me. Find a new push to endlessly whine about.


HF pls explain this post


Do you have any tangible reasons why vivax scum reads anybody in this game? I sure don't. If he stops whining about me to everyone in the game then he's forced to actually produce content.


this was not the answer I expected but ok

so you still think vivax is scum


Dunno really. I don't actually have a town read.

I think I'm too blinded by him being this subpar. I want to lynch exo the most. I think.


hf i think you are a smart person

i think as town you would do the right thing here

so why is it that you considered that rayn is scum wit a gun but didn’t consider that we can just lynch rayn tomorrow

if rayn is scum and he has a gun, we just lose as soon as we mislynch one more. if we lynch rayn and rayn is actually town we go to LYLO sure but if we are wrong about rayn we lose

that’s fucked


Rather just lynch someone I actually think is mafia rather than a remote possibility.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:46 GMT
#1854
Don't be a dick.
Holyflare
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April 12 2018 23:54 GMT
#1857
I'm just lynching exo.
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April 13 2018 00:02 GMT
#1860
My god.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 00:03 GMT
#1861
You're the most boring player in this game vivax. If you're town you royally fucked up.
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April 13 2018 06:00 GMT
#1872
On April 13 2018 13:07 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 12:59 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.


Really appreciate that feedback as a welcome change especially considering I'm playing a modestly assholeish almost like in old times but it's not calix, it's Oats. Calix softed blue I recently noticed so should die tonight is my guess.

hf + rayn makes perfect sense though. Also explains why rayn hasn't been all over HF this game yet even after noticing him pushing me for some bs reason regarding the things that didn't add up about ES.

Either way need to convince the townies that are corrupted by HFs charming malice which I would guess are calix tube and very tentatively skynx and even CH who was kind of my last bastion of hope before you showed up.

Damdred slot is coinflippy but I still feel good about him from our early interaction and him speaking up against my lynch.

Dunno, maybe you can come up with a way to drill through those skulls.


in case it wasnt clear atm i’m not really townreading hf

his play is too stupid to be town here imo and he freely admitted he isnt reading


And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"?

It's nice to throw out rhetoric but at least back it up. You listed exo as your scum read just like I did, you don't even scum read rayn (just like I do) but say we should lynch him, voted es today because it made sense.

So why this now?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:04 GMT
#1873
On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.


And why is he making the most sense? What has he said that has convinced you? I don't think I've seen an actual reason for vivax's reads since day 1 and now you're sheeping him?

Why was this lynch a giant shit show? Why did you blindly think es was town when you had the massive bit I highlighted in red about missing the gb night kill?

Why did you ignore when I posted the mafia motivation for es to make that mistake?

Where is your scum read on skynx magically gone?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:13 GMT
#1875
This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:14 GMT
#1876
On April 13 2018 15:13 Calix wrote:
Probably can’t post until after EON again.

Just want to ask one thing. Can people who think ExO is town or who do not have ExO in their scum teams explain why he is town? I do not see it.

I looked at some of his recent town games and think you guys should too. Because the way he posts and gives scum reads has changed IMO. I know he said he was trying to tunnel less in Classic Mafia but even there his style is not the same.

But maybe I am confirmation biasing myself.


Why?
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April 13 2018 06:27 GMT
#1878
On April 13 2018 15:16 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 13 2018 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 13:07 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 13 2018 12:59 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.


Really appreciate that feedback as a welcome change especially considering I'm playing a modestly assholeish almost like in old times but it's not calix, it's Oats. Calix softed blue I recently noticed so should die tonight is my guess.

hf + rayn makes perfect sense though. Also explains why rayn hasn't been all over HF this game yet even after noticing him pushing me for some bs reason regarding the things that didn't add up about ES.

Either way need to convince the townies that are corrupted by HFs charming malice which I would guess are calix tube and very tentatively skynx and even CH who was kind of my last bastion of hope before you showed up.

Damdred slot is coinflippy but I still feel good about him from our early interaction and him speaking up against my lynch.

Dunno, maybe you can come up with a way to drill through those skulls.


in case it wasnt clear atm i’m not really townreading hf

his play is too stupid to be town here imo and he freely admitted he isnt reading


And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"?

It's nice to throw out rhetoric but at least back it up. You listed exo as your scum read just like I did, you don't even scum read rayn (just like I do) but say we should lynch him, voted es today because it made sense.

So why this now?


ok this post right here, this is bs

i listed exo as my scum read? when the fuck did i do that? at some point with ever being scum i thought exo was also scum but with ever flipping town that association is useless

i even talked about how i am reading tube as town but i dont think more than one of skynx, exo, and calix can be scum

guess you didnt read that huh


Scum is in tube, Skynx, exo. You think tube is too bad to be scum so that leaves scum in exo or skynx.

On April 12 2018 07:45 currentlyhomeless wrote:
holy shit what is this game just sheep me already. why are people still talking about whether i am kush or sicklicker or blazinghand? if you read the 1st 2nd and 3rd words of 3 of my posts you will see who I am

half the players are playing for scum win condition

last few pages are just wtf go to n2 this is a waste of space

i’m gonna go wash my genitals now since i have to go to work

eversince is scum since they didnt read daypost but knew only 1 nk. when ever flips scum we kill exo cause the posts sound smart but the conclsion is scummy


This is what you've said about exo previously. Ever flipping scum or town has nothing to do with exo's post conclusions being scummy, they are just scummy without her alignment.

You haven't said anything about skynx being mafia iirc. Ergo exo is your only mafia read. You say exo/skynx/calix doesn't have scum v scum interactions but you previously throw shade at me and ignore me casing calix pretty damn hard. Hard enough that she would have been the lynch today if ever actually talked about guns. You see me pushing exo on inconsistencies about lynching es that are bull shit. Skynx doesn't feature in your scum read other than poe. Ergo you pick and choose your scum reads arbitrarily on nonsense and get offended when someone calls you out.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:27 GMT
#1879
On April 13 2018 15:16 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 13 2018 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 13:07 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 13 2018 12:59 Vivax wrote:
On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.


Really appreciate that feedback as a welcome change especially considering I'm playing a modestly assholeish almost like in old times but it's not calix, it's Oats. Calix softed blue I recently noticed so should die tonight is my guess.

hf + rayn makes perfect sense though. Also explains why rayn hasn't been all over HF this game yet even after noticing him pushing me for some bs reason regarding the things that didn't add up about ES.

Either way need to convince the townies that are corrupted by HFs charming malice which I would guess are calix tube and very tentatively skynx and even CH who was kind of my last bastion of hope before you showed up.

Damdred slot is coinflippy but I still feel good about him from our early interaction and him speaking up against my lynch.

Dunno, maybe you can come up with a way to drill through those skulls.


in case it wasnt clear atm i’m not really townreading hf

his play is too stupid to be town here imo and he freely admitted he isnt reading


And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"?

It's nice to throw out rhetoric but at least back it up. You listed exo as your scum read just like I did, you don't even scum read rayn (just like I do) but say we should lynch him, voted es today because it made sense.

So why this now?


ok this post right here, this is bs

i listed exo as my scum read? when the fuck did i do that? at some point with ever being scum i thought exo was also scum but with ever flipping town that association is useless

i even talked about how i am reading tube as town but i dont think more than one of skynx, exo, and calix can be scum

guess you didnt read that huh


Let's just forget this post is a giant dodge of the questions I asked so I'll repeat them.

And what instances in this game show that I'm "not reading" and my play is "stupid"?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:29 GMT
#1880
Me not reading properly or misremembering something isn't even a scum tell. In fact it's the exact thing I've been pushed for in the past 3 town games I've been in. Maybe you should give them a read.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:43 GMT
#1881
This entire conversation is even pointless. I haven't listed you as a scum read, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies that you haven't even explained because you're trying to jump on the hf is mafia bandwagon.
So explain them and get on my level.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:48 GMT
#1883
Exo is mafia because he has espoused all day and all night that I'm town non-stop and that he would sheep me. He acknowledges that I scum read Eversince but he thinks that she is NOT going to flip town but that's ok. So, when Eversince flipped town and everything in his mind should be confirmed and I haven't done anything differently he completely drops the read on me.

He was even voting calix, the person that I cased and thought was the most likely to flip mafia if es was town.

Apparently I have fallen off since day 1 but he shows no evidence that he ever thought that, no qualms about my play at all until multiple people start throwing my name around. Nothing should have changed for him.

Combined with his es thoughts being the scummiest I am very sure he is mafia.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:49 GMT
#1885
Are you fucking stupid? How is it the best play if I don't think rayn is mafia to lynch rayn?
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April 13 2018 06:51 GMT
#1887
On April 13 2018 15:48 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 13 2018 15:43 Holyflare wrote:
This entire conversation is even pointless. I haven't listed you as a scum read, I'm merely pointing out inconsistencies that you haven't even explained because you're trying to jump on the hf is mafia bandwagon.
So explain them and get on my level.


what kind of horseshit is this

i agree, it is a waste of time. since you seem to already know rayn will flip scum, fuck the policy lynch, let’s lynch you tomorrow

if i die tn pls lynch hf

On April 13 2018 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 13 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 07:39 Vivax wrote:
Do you even have a single townread HF?


I don't actually lol.


Probably rayn tbh.

On April 13 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 13 2018 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
rayn probably ends up being mafia with a gun now though or some pointless bull shit

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On April 13 2018 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
nah probably not


It was definitely not pessimistic rhetoric or anything.


What a load of shit.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:54 GMT
#1889
On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team
.

Sheeping you Vivax.


He's gone from saying he's sheeping me and I'm definitely town and he already thought Eversince was going to flip town :

On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment


Actually possible too, lmao.

On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time


Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit.

Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol?

Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads?


Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken?

I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that
HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF.



Nothing has changed at all.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:55 GMT
#1890
On April 13 2018 15:53 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 13 2018 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
Are you fucking stupid? How is it the best play if I don't think rayn is mafia to lynch rayn?


you said it yourself if rayn has a gun we lose

the only way to prevent a mislynch lose scenario on d3 is to kill the player who might have a gun cause hes scum and lied about not having it

like yea we can go kill a scum too if we have a red check or some other semi confirmed shit but thats why the policy lynch is optimal, it makes sure we dont lose instantly



And that's where your opinion and mine differs. Policy is a weak cop out when I'd much rather just be right and lynch my mafia reads. Not going to change my mind.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 06:59 GMT
#1893
I'm calling you stupid because you're saying it's the optimal play and aren't giving any other alternatives and you're arguing that it's the optimal play instead when you don't even scum read the guy. You're also calling me mafia. Which IS stupid.

So talk about exo/skynx/calix/tube or just don't interact with me because I won't stop calling you stupid if you're going to call me mafia when I voted on the wagon that made sense yesterday.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:00 GMT
#1894
I haven't thought vivax was mafia for a while actually but I just didn't have the guts to say it and I'm low key hedging.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:04 GMT
#1895
I hardcore waffle on calix too. I can't wrap my head around the wagons being so close when eversince was such an easy lynch for mafia to sit on. So many people showed face and tmi on es to what... Sit on their partner calix?

But then it's also fucking retarded if she's town to tmi on es too because there's no point??

The afk excuses from calix, a person that posts usually non stop are becoming way too abundant though. The deadline stuff day 1 also weighs on my mind too.

The thing that gives me pause is that she basically shares my scum reads?

I realise this post says nothing and it's just rambling what's on my mind.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:10 GMT
#1896
On April 13 2018 16:00 Holyflare wrote:
I haven't thought vivax was mafia for a while actually but I just didn't have the guts to say it and I'm low key hedging.


Actually nah I take this back. I thought he wasn't mafia during the day because of sheeping on es but after she's town he might well be. He didn't give a shit who wrote about the Eversince catch, he literally doesn't care about figuring out who could be town or not because of it and je attributed it to rayn. He hasn't had a concrete reason to scum read anyone in the game at ANY point imo.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:36 GMT
#1899
Fuck it. Medic heal ch and then I can die and let vivax actually do stuff. If I don't die they'll have to kill rayn if he's town which helps policy or reveal actual info about someone else.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:46 GMT
#1901
On April 13 2018 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
im actually not reading CH's stuff because no


Why not?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:48 GMT
#1903
Who do you want to lynch oats?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 07:49 GMT
#1905
Other than calix?
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April 13 2018 12:57 GMT
#1921
On April 13 2018 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i need Vivax, Tubesock and homeless to explain me this:

After these posts on D2:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 06:20 Vivax wrote:
Rayn did you get the gun?

no

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 11 2018 10:01 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:59 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 11 2018 09:56 Vivax wrote:
Well I get the optional now, never seen it written like that anywhere yet. So ES started with a gun, night action was pass it to rayn. Rayn claims not to have a gun. ES concludes rayn has to be town although that doesn't have to be the case as rayn can be lying scum.

Either way I don't think all of this has to make ES scum. It just looks like it might as well be unfamiliarity with the mechanics.


are you scum this game???

ever claims rayn is confirmed because only one person died n1

this is way different from “because rayn doesn’t have a gun”

it means ever doesn’t know how the gunsmith role works. which means they aren’t gunsmith

1500% scum


That's bullshit bro cause even mafia can figure out how the role works from just reading the OP or talking privately with the host. There are no slips there just the assumption that rayn got the gun as soon as she sent in the action.

Actually i have to say here i am once again sceptic about Eversince because there is a very easy way to resolve this and i am not sure why this isn't happening already and the discussion has been going on for like pages and Eversince is weird as fuck again.

Eversince, do you have a gun?

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On April 11 2018 16:06 Holyflare wrote:
Do you still have a gun Eversince?

Can you understand what happens here in case i am mafia, did not roleblock Eversince and in fact do have a gun? The fact that Eversince never managed to answer the question is irrelevant because that was not the expected outcome.

So all three of you, explain the logic between "lynch rayn because he might have a gun and might be mafia"?

Holyflare, since you are driven by logic, why are you letting this kind of discussion go on and on in the thread?


It didn't really cross my mind and I don't think it's particularly hard to "use the gun for good" if you were mafia and did receive it. I dunno. Generally just didn't care because I'm not here to defend you and don't really think you're mafia.

We should be lynching exo.
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 13:30 GMT
#1924
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.
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April 13 2018 13:53 GMT
#1931
On April 13 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.

Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?


Which post?
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April 13 2018 17:59 GMT
#1964
On April 13 2018 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 13 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote:
On April 13 2018 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 13 2018 22:30 Holyflare wrote:
To be truthful I'm really busy at work and just didn't piece together the obvious answer. More concerned with what was in my head and commenting on posts than doing figuring out.

Okay what did you mean with the psot i asked you about?


Which post?

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On April 13 2018 21:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait actually, Holyflare i need you to explain why you are saying this:
This game is fucking stupid that we even contemplate killing rayn because of a gun situation that could have easily just been resolved if literally anyone else in the game was gunsmith.

What do you mean by the bolded part?



"hey mr xyz the gunsmith, do you still have a gun? Were you rbd?"
"yes"
"ok then rayn can't have the gun"
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 19:19 GMT
#1968
On April 14 2018 04:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'll be catching up in around 1 hour, if theres anything to focus on please let me know


You pick topics.
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April 13 2018 19:25 GMT
#1969
On April 13 2018 12:59 Vivax wrote:
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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.


Really appreciate that feedback as a welcome change especially considering I'm playing a modestly assholeish almost like in old times but it's not calix, it's Oats. Calix softed blue I recently noticed so should die tonight is my guess.

hf + rayn makes perfect sense though. Also explains why rayn hasn't been all over HF this game yet even after noticing him pushing me for some bs reason regarding the things that didn't add up about ES.

Either way need to convince the townies that are corrupted by HFs charming malice which I would guess are calix tube and very tentatively skynx and even CH who was kind of my last bastion of hope before you showed up.

Damdred slot is coinflippy but I still feel good about him from our early interaction and him speaking up against my lynch.

Dunno, maybe you can come up with a way to drill through those skulls.


Why has calix gone from obvious mafia team to not my partner at all now? Surely she's more likely now that I saved my teammate by voting gunsmith?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 19:31 GMT
#1971
Bahahaha
Holyflare
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#1972
Vivax is definitely town.
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#1973
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 19:56 GMT
#1978
On April 14 2018 04:47 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate


I don’t think I get it. Because they killed afk slot or because Hopeless specifically?


I dunno. What can get people to instantly 180 on their reads and vote someone that they thought was town hmmmmmm?
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 19:57 GMT
#1979
I will absolutely lynch ch after unless he reveals who he is btw.
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April 13 2018 20:20 GMT
#1983
I vote raynpelikoneet and you concluded I'm the mafia? :D
Holyflare
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April 13 2018 20:23 GMT
#1985
I still have no actual town reads btw.
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#1986
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

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On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
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On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Also you keep saying this and I want you to explain it. Why has my day 2/n2 play been terrible in the slightest? Did you ever answer my questions on you?
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April 13 2018 20:33 GMT
#1991
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

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On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
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On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Actually I have a massive problem with your crumbs too. You say they are crumbs but you have one where you are talking to me about skynx being super mafia like you are still town reading me. It's also weird since at that time you were talking to calix about sheeping my reads (unless it was on Eversince) so you weren't actually thinking about checking me at that point.

It's even worse when you're saying it's a breadcrumb about checking myself and rayn as if you had already decided to check me at that point?

It's further compounded as being even more likely to be fake when your vote was on calix all day yesterday, who I initially cased and is actually the reason you were on that wagon, your other scum read was also skynx?

I can see the rayn check making sense because you posted about him but the crumbs don't add up.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:35 GMT
#1992
On April 14 2018 05:31 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Also you keep saying this and I want you to explain it. Why has my day 2/n2 play been terrible in the slightest? Did you ever answer my questions on you?


I believe day 2 you didn’t push the thread for scum. I believe you were far too content on the eversince lynch, and town Hf wouldn’t just sette for that. I believe you’ve nitpicked at incosnsitencies instead of discussing with people to try to find scum.

and between you and Rayn, I believe rayn is town. If he was scum, (therefore received the gun from eversince) why do we not have two dead today?

I ask myself whats more likely—scum Rayn holding onto shot to wifom, or scum HF and ES was blocked so Rayn never received the gun. I think taking the entire picture in, scum HF is more likely.

If you are town you have to convince me otherwise. Because right now I think Rayn is a helluva lot more towny than you.


If rayn has a gun he wouldn't shoot it now. He would shoot it tomorrow night after a mislynch today.

It's more likely that mafia blocked Eversince though. Why do you assume he would have a gun?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:38 GMT
#1997
On April 14 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Actually I have a massive problem with your crumbs too. You say they are crumbs but you have one where you are talking to me about skynx being super mafia like you are still town reading me. It's also weird since at that time you were talking to calix about sheeping my reads (unless it was on Eversince) so you weren't actually thinking about checking me at that point.

It's even worse when you're saying it's a breadcrumb about checking myself and rayn as if you had already decided to check me at that point?

It's further compounded as being even more likely to be fake when your vote was on calix all day yesterday, who I initially cased and is actually the reason you were on that wagon, your other scum read was also skynx?

I can see the rayn check making sense because you posted about him but the crumbs don't add up.


The second paragraph is what I take most issue with. You're sitting on the calix is mafia wagon, you're talking to me about skynx being mafia, you're talking to calix about sheeping me but you're crumbing about checking me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:38 GMT
#1999
On April 14 2018 05:37 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:31 ExO_ wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Also you keep saying this and I want you to explain it. Why has my day 2/n2 play been terrible in the slightest? Did you ever answer my questions on you?


I believe day 2 you didn’t push the thread for scum. I believe you were far too content on the eversince lynch, and town Hf wouldn’t just sette for that. I believe you’ve nitpicked at incosnsitencies instead of discussing with people to try to find scum.

and between you and Rayn, I believe rayn is town. If he was scum, (therefore received the gun from eversince) why do we not have two dead today?

I ask myself whats more likely—scum Rayn holding onto shot to wifom, or scum HF and ES was blocked so Rayn never received the gun. I think taking the entire picture in, scum HF is more likely.

If you are town you have to convince me otherwise. Because right now I think Rayn is a helluva lot more towny than you.


If rayn has a gun he wouldn't shoot it now. He would shoot it tomorrow night after a mislynch today.

It's more likely that mafia blocked Eversince though. Why do you assume he would have a gun?


Eversince said he passed gun to Rayn. I don’t believe he would’ve lied about that. So either Rayn is scum with gun, or ES was blocked.


Literally what I said.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:43 GMT
#2004
On April 14 2018 05:40 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Actually I have a massive problem with your crumbs too. You say they are crumbs but you have one where you are talking to me about skynx being super mafia like you are still town reading me. It's also weird since at that time you were talking to calix about sheeping my reads (unless it was on Eversince) so you weren't actually thinking about checking me at that point.

It's even worse when you're saying it's a breadcrumb about checking myself and rayn as if you had already decided to check me at that point?

It's further compounded as being even more likely to be fake when your vote was on calix all day yesterday, who I initially cased and is actually the reason you were on that wagon, your other scum read was also skynx?

I can see the rayn check making sense because you posted about him but the crumbs don't add up.


my crumbs were using the word pair repeatedly

I had decided to check you by the end of day 2

I do believe your scum HF. You’re very much so trying to pick right now to distract town from discussing. I get it, you have to do that. But im not going to continue responding to you unless you can prevent a compelling reason why Rayn is Scum and you are town.

I don’t believe you can.


I don't particularly care if you think I'm scum but it doesn't really add up.

I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


You're saying you alluded to who you checked twice, not that the crumbs contain the word pair (those were the quotes above this). You are telling me you had already decided to check me while sitting on a calix wagon and telling me how much you scum read skynx and it's also at that time of the second quote that you were just explaining how you would be sheeping me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:45 GMT
#2007
On April 14 2018 05:40 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:31 ExO_ wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:25 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Also you keep saying this and I want you to explain it. Why has my day 2/n2 play been terrible in the slightest? Did you ever answer my questions on you?


I believe day 2 you didn’t push the thread for scum. I believe you were far too content on the eversince lynch, and town Hf wouldn’t just sette for that. I believe you’ve nitpicked at incosnsitencies instead of discussing with people to try to find scum.

and between you and Rayn, I believe rayn is town. If he was scum, (therefore received the gun from eversince) why do we not have two dead today?

I ask myself whats more likely—scum Rayn holding onto shot to wifom, or scum HF and ES was blocked so Rayn never received the gun. I think taking the entire picture in, scum HF is more likely.

If you are town you have to convince me otherwise. Because right now I think Rayn is a helluva lot more towny than you.


If rayn has a gun he wouldn't shoot it now. He would shoot it tomorrow night after a mislynch today.

It's more likely that mafia blocked Eversince though. Why do you assume he would have a gun?



I don’t think he has a gun.

HF over rayn cause feels. But I town them both. I don’t think I believe you. But I’ll think more about it. I don’t think we can have three blues even if they’re paired down.


The three blue roles aren't that strong. Gunsmith can go tk mafia so it's swingy. Vet is a prot and parity is fairly weak. Not a bad setup if it's true.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:47 GMT
#2010
On April 14 2018 05:40 Skynx wrote:
HF, would you as mafia prefer to have a vigshot for free or not. Pretty obvvious he wasn't rb'd.


I would have assumed the gun was going to me and not rayn and not rb'd Eversince since that's what we decided and even made polls about. Rayn has confirmed he doesn't have a gun so if you think he's town then mafia blocked Eversince. If you think he's mafia then I also think they would have assumed it went to me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 13 2018 20:50 GMT
#2015
On April 14 2018 05:46 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:40 ExO_ wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:33 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:16 ExO_ wrote:
I'm the Parity Cop.

I've bread Crumbed this here:

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On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.

Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too.


Huh?


If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.



This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking.

It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time




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On April 10 2018 02:25 ExO_ wrote:
I don’t even know right now. I dont like any of the options after eversince. I switched vote to n00bking because I believe Vivax is town. Id rather be paired up with Vivax and claimed gunsmith eversince than GB and TS at this point.


Gonna filter dive skynk and n00bking right now on my lunch break




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On April 10 2018 20:21 ExO_ wrote:
The more I read your filter Calix the less I like. You have a lot of posts, and it makes me hesitate. However at the end of day yesterday you didn't seem to care at all. A lot of your posts have been heavily argumentative and geared towards upsetting other players and I think distracting them.

Post like this:
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On April 10 2018 04:40 Calix wrote:
On April 10 2018 04:38 Holyflare wrote:
Insert berating comment here


"I told you so" after a mislynch is quite scummy, good sir.

Flipping your read on me from super-town to super-mafia because I...took a warning over simply voting for someone...makes no sense.


You stop short of calling HF scum here. You say his action is scummy but don't call him scum. Like wtf is that?

I'm not sure who else I'd pair you with right now, but you're at the top of my scum list right now.




I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


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On April 13 2018 12:36 ExO_ wrote:
I really believed HF was genuine after EoD Day1, but today has been a Giant Shit show. Far too willing to just accept this lynch, and try to just set me up as the next target.

Vivax is the person making the most sense here. I'm thinking HF/Rayn paired and maybe Calix as scum team.

Sheeping you Vivax.

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On April 12 2018 21:02 ExO_ wrote:
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On April 12 2018 20:58 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 20:57 ExO_ wrote:
HF do you not find skynx here scummy as hell? Like Damdred and either myself/calix are his scum reads. He doesn't even provide a reason for scum reading me but says "read my filter".

Scum scum scum


I find both of you scummy.


Why are you scum reading me exactly, because I believe eversince is town?

Scum reading me with Skynkx would be like me putting you with Rayn -- there's no damn way I'm on a scum team together with Skynx.




HolyFlare and Rayn are different alignments.

I believe between the two HF is scum especially considering his play day 2/night 2.

##Vote: HolyFlare


Actually I have a massive problem with your crumbs too. You say they are crumbs but you have one where you are talking to me about skynx being super mafia like you are still town reading me. It's also weird since at that time you were talking to calix about sheeping my reads (unless it was on Eversince) so you weren't actually thinking about checking me at that point.

It's even worse when you're saying it's a breadcrumb about checking myself and rayn as if you had already decided to check me at that point?

It's further compounded as being even more likely to be fake when your vote was on calix all day yesterday, who I initially cased and is actually the reason you were on that wagon, your other scum read was also skynx?

I can see the rayn check making sense because you posted about him but the crumbs don't add up.


my crumbs were using the word pair repeatedly

I had decided to check you by the end of day 2

I do believe your scum HF. You’re very much so trying to pick right now to distract town from discussing. I get it, you have to do that. But im not going to continue responding to you unless you can prevent a compelling reason why Rayn is Scum and you are town.

I don’t believe you can.


I don't particularly care if you think I'm scum but it doesn't really add up.

I checked Rayn Night 1 and HolyFlare Night 2. I alluded to this twice:


You're saying you alluded to who you checked twice, not that the crumbs contain the word pair (those were the quotes above this). You are telling me you had already decided to check me while sitting on a calix wagon and telling me how much you scum read skynx and it's also at that time of the second quote that you were just explaining how you would be sheeping me.



I did allude that I would be checking you and Rayn, twice. Top of my filter, page 4.

Using the word pair multiple times was my way of crumbing, especially b/c it felt weird using the word pair like I did.


I thought your calix discussion about sheeping me was around the same time that you "crumbed" but it was 24hrs before and it does look like you changed your mind by then kind of. Sure is a weird check though over calix or skynx. If it's really true then rayn is mafia.
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April 13 2018 20:56 GMT
#2018
On April 14 2018 05:51 Skynx wrote:
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On April 14 2018 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:40 Skynx wrote:
HF, would you as mafia prefer to have a vigshot for free or not. Pretty obvvious he wasn't rb'd.


I would have assumed the gun was going to me and not rayn and not rb'd Eversince since that's what we decided and even made polls about. Rayn has confirmed he doesn't have a gun so if you think he's town then mafia blocked Eversince. If you think he's mafia then I also think they would have assumed it went to me.

I have to check back to see if ES declared it openly before n1 flip. I'd assume so cuz everyone asked rayn if he had the gun. I don't think more than 3 ppl noticed your poll.


Nah I've read it she said it way before deadline was giving to rayn. Rayn could actually have a gun. I don't think he does though because he's right that he pointed out he didn't and Eversince could just cc if she didn't have a gun.
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April 13 2018 21:08 GMT
#2027
On April 14 2018 06:02 Skynx wrote:
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On April 14 2018 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:51 Skynx wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 05:40 Skynx wrote:
HF, would you as mafia prefer to have a vigshot for free or not. Pretty obvvious he wasn't rb'd.


I would have assumed the gun was going to me and not rayn and not rb'd Eversince since that's what we decided and even made polls about. Rayn has confirmed he doesn't have a gun so if you think he's town then mafia blocked Eversince. If you think he's mafia then I also think they would have assumed it went to me.

I have to check back to see if ES declared it openly before n1 flip. I'd assume so cuz everyone asked rayn if he had the gun. I don't think more than 3 ppl noticed your poll.


Nah I've read it she said it way before deadline was giving to rayn. Rayn could actually have a gun. I don't think he does though because he's right that he pointed out he didn't and Eversince could just cc if she didn't have a gun.

Then wtf are you doing right now not screaming town to lynch rayn? If you're town that means rayn is mafia with a gun and game is over if we lynch you...


No it doesn't?
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April 13 2018 21:09 GMT
#2029
I think we should lynch calix for the fake claim.
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April 13 2018 21:09 GMT
#2030
Well really bad potential fake claim.
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April 13 2018 21:14 GMT
#2033
Why does rayn have a gun?
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April 13 2018 21:14 GMT
#2034
Why do you also believe exo your biggest scum read?
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April 13 2018 21:16 GMT
#2035
Killing calix is the best play here. They are forced to kill exo if he's parity and we can see what's happened. If they rb him then it's fine, we can work something out.
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April 13 2018 21:20 GMT
#2039
If mafia has a framer who do they frame?
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April 13 2018 21:28 GMT
#2042
What's better than a democracy after all?
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#2044
Absolutely amazing wall of text that had a completely nothing conclusion on the two checks.
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April 13 2018 21:35 GMT
#2047
On April 12 2018 14:26 Calix wrote:
ES and Damdred will probably vote me so I am very likely just dead here. People seriously need to give thought to the insane amount of ES defence compared to people who are actually defending me (AKA nobody). And think about why that might be the case.

Anyway I am off. Not claiming role because if I get lynched over scummy AF Eversince then I played bad and deserve lynch, anyway.

Break a leg :p


I will never believe this wasn't a blue soft.
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April 13 2018 21:37 GMT
#2049
On April 14 2018 06:34 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Absolutely amazing wall of text that had a completely nothing conclusion on the two checks.


Yes, I've only skimmed the thread. Actual filtering will happen tomorrow. Because it is half ten and I have not even had dinner yet.


You've only skimmed the thread but pretty much weighed in on everything that wasn't relevant. How about where you stand with the claims off the top of your head. Snap judgement.
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April 13 2018 21:51 GMT
#2053
There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all.
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April 13 2018 21:52 GMT
#2054
Especially when calix softed blue (at least in my mind) to survive a lynch.
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April 13 2018 22:07 GMT
#2058
On April 14 2018 06:54 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all.


Statistically speaking, the odds of this affecting results are extremely low so using that as an excuse is weak as fuck.


Why is it weak? If there's a framer rayn isn't a bad frame n1 or me n2. Miller is statistically low odds but not unheard of at all. Just because something in a game is improbable doesn't make it bad in the slightest. It's worse to blindly follow probability.
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April 13 2018 22:10 GMT
#2059
On April 14 2018 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 14 2018 06:54 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
There's framer, miller etc. I think lynching outside the claims isn't bad at all.


Statistically speaking, the odds of this affecting results are extremely low so using that as an excuse is weak as fuck.


Why is it weak? If there's a framer rayn isn't a bad frame n1 or me n2. Miller is statistically low odds but not unheard of at all. Just because something in a game is improbable doesn't make it bad in the slightest. It's worse to blindly follow probability.


I also would quite like to get mafia today outside of this claim and then see what the nk looks like after that.
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April 13 2018 22:33 GMT
#2062
Why are you saying it like I haven't evaluated anything? I've spent the whole game evaluating these people. I thought exo was mafia, he was pushed as mafia and was most likely to be mafia. I'm insanely wary of his claim. I snap voted rayn and said vivax was town at the beginning of the day because i spent the last few minutes before deadline combing vivax's mafia games and he's right, 13 pages would be a record for him as mafia. Max he had was 8 day 3 in a 160 page game. When I concluded this and saw the nk I thought it was 100% rayn mafia because if vivax is town and I'm town shitting up the thread with vivax leaving me alive with him is optimal mafia play and fake voted rayn to see what would happen. Nobody reacted and exo claimed so kind of wasted my attempt but if rayn town reads me and I town read rayn and we both were wary of vivax and none of us three died then I'd always think it was rayn at this point.

Thus I couldn't really decide between the two which I trusted more. I thought exo's claims had holes but it didn't so much after I looked into it and the more I thought about the setup the more balanced it seemed. After that I remembered tubesock quoting you with a definite blue soft to not get lynched (yes, keep repeating that it wasn't, we get it). If we lynched rayn and he turned out to actually be town (like I initially thought last cycle) then I kind of thought the game would be over in my mind (sleep deprivation) and was a bit of a risk. Since you softed blue and there were three blues already it's a far better shot at lynching you and letting the blue claim resolve itself.
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April 13 2018 22:34 GMT
#2063
^ + I liked my initial case on you.
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April 13 2018 22:40 GMT
#2064
Also bit of theory on exo. Don't think he claims parity like that if I open the day as if I had a red check on rayn.
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April 13 2018 23:01 GMT
#2066
When did I ever say they were both town? Now THAT is a distinct lack of reading comprehension.
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April 13 2018 23:03 GMT
#2067
I also think it's quite likely you'll lynch me, I'll flip town and then you lynch rayn and the game could theoretically be over if any of those scenarios happened. I think it's a far far better play to find two mafia outside of the claims and let it resolve itself.
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April 13 2018 23:13 GMT
#2069
Why am I not doing that? I've seen someone quite blatantly claim a blue role to survive a lynch and three blues claimed so I wanted to lynch mafia in you. I also baited you and pretty much the entire game with a post I made like a page or two ago that should quite easily confirm myself town but you didn't acknowledge it at all so I'm even more wary of you being mafia than you'd expect.
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April 14 2018 07:02 GMT
#2116
Ch isn't a bad lynch after all :D?
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April 14 2018 07:04 GMT
#2117
I have one read on vivax that's weak and did have even weaker reads on ch/rayn but I pretty much have no town reads. Maybe tube actually. Didn't talk about tube though so vivax is correct that that statement is bad.
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April 14 2018 07:16 GMT
#2121
On April 14 2018 16:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
HF says he has no townreads in thread but is not pushing me or rayn or tube, says he believes the exo claim and gives a good reason for believing the exo claim which i actually thiught myself so the silent agreement is good

if these are not townreads then idk wtf they are


Ah true true
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#2127
On April 14 2018 16:32 Vivax wrote:
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On April 14 2018 16:16 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 16:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
HF says he has no townreads in thread but is not pushing me or rayn or tube, says he believes the exo claim and gives a good reason for believing the exo claim which i actually thiught myself so the silent agreement is good

if these are not townreads then idk wtf they are


Ah true true


Wtf is this shit HF? All you have been doing about ExO today is doubting his claim. Or is this some kind of joke and if it is why aren't you trying to get this dude lynched over yourself after stating blatantly false facts.

Is this game some kind of truman show where I'm the protagonist or are you both mafia?


Perhaps read the discussion again.
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April 14 2018 07:46 GMT
#2131
On April 14 2018 16:43 Vivax wrote:
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On April 14 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 16:32 Vivax wrote:
On April 14 2018 16:16 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 16:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
HF says he has no townreads in thread but is not pushing me or rayn or tube, says he believes the exo claim and gives a good reason for believing the exo claim which i actually thiught myself so the silent agreement is good

if these are not townreads then idk wtf they are


Ah true true


Wtf is this shit HF? All you have been doing about ExO today is doubting his claim. Or is this some kind of joke and if it is why aren't you trying to get this dude lynched over yourself after stating blatantly false facts.

Is this game some kind of truman show where I'm the protagonist or are you both mafia?


Perhaps read the discussion again.


Your stuff on ExO is inconclusive. He isn't a townread you just say that parity cop is compatible with the setup which isn't even a reason to believe his claim especially since that claim is getting you lynched. CH turns it into a townread on ExO.

You say that with a rayn townread and all three of staying alive it probably means rayn is mafia and CH turns it into you having a rayn townread.

All of this cause otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense for him to make that read on you since your only visible townread besides those was me who is CHs primary scumread. So he's pretty much trying super hard to bend what you said to fit his version.



Yes, I agree that ch has extrapolated far too much. He's changed "he has good reasons to town read people eventually" to "he doesn't say he wants to lynch me or rayn so that's good".

Did write that I think exo wasn't likely to fake claim parity after I voted rayn and posted like I had a check though.
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April 14 2018 07:57 GMT
#2133
I said that before that post didn't I?
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#2166
It's not bad balance and his claim wasn't THAT shady
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#2169
Amount of people that have called me town with a potential red check is incredibly high. Too high maybe.
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#2173
On April 14 2018 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On April 14 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today


wtf

explain how the claim is untrustworthy

we’ll wait

exos shady af what more do you need to know?

Also 3 blue roles is bad balance


Why are you voting calix then lol?
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April 14 2018 10:05 GMT
#2176
Calix. There are three claimed blue players in a 13 player game. What roles do you think mafia have?
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April 14 2018 10:06 GMT
#2177
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose.
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April 14 2018 10:12 GMT
#2180
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?
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April 14 2018 10:13 GMT
#2182
I think it's rber rolee cop and miller with rayn or myself being a miller.
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April 14 2018 10:15 GMT
#2185
On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose.


I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO.

But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO.


So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D
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April 14 2018 10:21 GMT
#2188
On April 14 2018 19:19 Vivax wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose.


I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO.

But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO.


So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D


good way of telling us to lynch rayn while voting calix?
if you want rayn, vote rayn


When did I say anything about rayn?
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April 14 2018 10:22 GMT
#2191
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?
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April 14 2018 10:23 GMT
#2194
On April 14 2018 19:22 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose.


I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO.

But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO.


So resolve the claim arbitrarily and then do analysis on whether the other person is mafia :D


The plan is to analyse you guys today and only consider whether role fuckery happened if someone gets MLed :D

Because right now I couldn't give two shits about that as a possibility tbh. Role mechanics talk is boring and repetitive. I'm only talking about it because people keep making it a thing.


Why analyse us and mislynch when you have a 66-100% chance of finding mafia outside it? What the fuck kind of nonsense are you peddling.
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April 14 2018 10:24 GMT
#2196
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?


If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?
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April 14 2018 10:25 GMT
#2198
On April 14 2018 19:24 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Vivax wrote:
/shitposting


hold my beer

scumteam is:

calix
skynx
vivax

x marks the spot


Why vivax?
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April 14 2018 10:33 GMT
#2201
Which you keep making excuses for not doing and then making decisions based on bad premises.
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April 14 2018 10:33 GMT
#2202
Also I am 100% certain ch is darthfoley, disformation or btdt.
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April 14 2018 10:39 GMT
#2205
On April 14 2018 19:38 Calix wrote:
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:24 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:19 Calix wrote:
On April 14 2018 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Even if you think we definitely contain mafia in this 50/50 there's 2 mafia left outside of the claims.

9 players left, in a group of 3 you think one is definitely mafia for some unknown reason.

5 players (don't include yourself obviously from your perspective) contain 2 mafia. One of those players (ts) is claimed blue. So you have 4 players to find 2 mafia in:

Ch, vivax, Skynx, oats.

I'm pretty sure I've seen you say vivax is town maybe (could be completely bs that I just made up but he's either mafia playing the most spammy game of his life by almost double the filter size or town) so that's oats/ch/skynx contains two mafia.

Why do you want to lynch a shit show that might not even contain mafia when you have a 66% chance (or higher, 100%! if we were framed!) to find mafia?


I think the NKs point to at least one (dunno how many) of you/ rayn/ Vivax because why else would AFK people keep dying over you guys? So when ExO popped in and was like "hai guys rayn and HF are different alignments" I figured that deciding which one of you is mafia = good idea since I figured "50:50 or better". I still think the role stuff is unhelpful and I don't care for it.

I do think Oats is likely mafia now. But I do not know who the third one is. Either it's the more 'conventional' solution where CH is mafia or one of Skynx/ Vivax is bussing. This paragraph doesn't contain deep analysis as to which world is more likely because I do not know.


If I'm pushing a town vivax non-stop and shitting up the thread and would vote him why would mafia stop me doing that?


If vivax is stubborn town mule and is shitting up the thread and will only ever vote hf why would mafia kill him?


As for rayn...?


Not scum read n1 likely to be protected n2. Can you name another person on n2 that could be a likely medic save?

You've also still not seen my bait a few pages back which is quite worrying for your alignment.
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April 14 2018 10:39 GMT
#2206
Not town read n1*
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 10:44 GMT
#2210
Right so.... Why are you confused why we are alive then?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 10:45 GMT
#2211
No town reads, if vivax is town we're pushing town and if the alternative is you and you're town why change the game?
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April 14 2018 10:54 GMT
#2218
On April 14 2018 19:47 Tubesock wrote:
The more I read HF’s filter the more I think Vivax is scum. And Vivax’s filter is worse.


I was just doing the same thing and thinking how good I was day 1 and vivax is mafia lol.
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April 14 2018 10:55 GMT
#2220
On April 14 2018 19:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 19:47 Tubesock wrote:
The more I read HF’s filter the more I think Vivax is scum. And Vivax’s filter is worse.


I was just doing the same thing and thinking how good I was day 1 and vivax is mafia lol.


To clarify I don't actually think he's mafia now but I would have convinced myself day 1 if I wasn't me.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 10:57 GMT
#2222
If a gunsmith is roleblocked they get the gun back.
Rayn enters the thread and says he doesn't have a gun.
He asks Eversince if she has a gun or not to confirm whether she's telling the truth or not.
Eversince doesn't reply.

If rayn was mafia with a gun why would he come in the thread and lie that he doesn't have a gun when town Eversince can just confirm otherwise.
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April 14 2018 11:04 GMT
#2224
Well read......
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 11:05 GMT
#2225
Really wish you'd try harder
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April 14 2018 11:18 GMT
#2231
On April 14 2018 05:21 Skynx wrote:
HF having no townreads while not shouting at everyone in thread to stop being terrible was already indicative.


I was your top town read with oats and rayn in a list you made. Vivax and calix were your top mafia reads. Exo added there too. Now you seemingly believe exo, say something that completely contradicts what your reads list said and think I'm the mafia out of rayn and me when I'm the one that basically almost got your top scum read vivax lynched day 1 and cased your other top scum read calix (who I'm also voting for now)?

Does not computer. Explain.
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April 14 2018 11:19 GMT
#2233
On April 14 2018 20:09 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
Really wish you'd try harder


You mocking me or something? You think I'm mafia and you're not happy that I'm not really trying?




Democracy will prevail.
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April 14 2018 11:21 GMT
#2235
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April 14 2018 12:56 GMT
#2244
That's a good catch.
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April 14 2018 12:57 GMT
#2245
On April 14 2018 21:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote:
On April 12 2018 03:52 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 03:39 Skynx wrote:
In meantime I'll vote for you ma'am begging your pardon.


Who do you think COULD be third mafia by Process Of Eliminating the people you think are town.

Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm:

HF, Oats, rayn
tube, vivax, homeless
Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs)

ignore: ES


I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need.


Skynx if you actually believed calix/exo is tvs then shouldnt you be sure calix is scum now

##vote skynx


Also good catch.
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April 14 2018 12:59 GMT
#2247
Oats/skynx/oneofraynorvivaxdonthateforsaying
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April 14 2018 13:00 GMT
#2249
On April 14 2018 21:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2018 04:02 Skynx wrote:
On April 12 2018 03:52 Calix wrote:
On April 12 2018 03:39 Skynx wrote:
In meantime I'll vote for you ma'am begging your pardon.


Who do you think COULD be third mafia by Process Of Eliminating the people you think are town.

Thx. I'm still yet to have an opinion on Vivax and homeless, tube is also null to me right now, probably one of them (and/or ES). I'll actually just put out what i have atm:

HF, Oats, rayn
tube, vivax, homeless
Damdred, Calix/Exo (tvs)

ignore: ES


I'll definitely won't lynch into my town pile until 1 mafia is left and/or ES is dead. I've never actually played with scum!hf. scum!oats and scum!rayn fooled me once i think, so there are player capable of pulling off what they did so far as scum but I won't consider that possibility until dire need.


Skynx if you actually believed calix/exo is tvs then shouldnt you be sure calix is scum now

##vote skynx


I'm almost certain that this list changed to skynx scum reading vivax at some point. Am I wrong?
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April 14 2018 13:05 GMT
#2253
On April 14 2018 20:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 05:21 Skynx wrote:
HF having no townreads while not shouting at everyone in thread to stop being terrible was already indicative.


I was your top town read with oats and rayn in a list you made. Vivax and calix were your top mafia reads. Exo added there too. Now you seemingly believe exo, say something that completely contradicts what your reads list said and think I'm the mafia out of rayn and me when I'm the one that basically almost got your top scum read vivax lynched day 1 and cased your other top scum read calix (who I'm also voting for now)?

Does not computer. Explain.


Yeah this still great then.
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April 14 2018 13:06 GMT
#2254
He even says in that list post rayn is capable of fooling him and could play like this as mafia?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 13:42 GMT
#2256
Now we wait for the mafia to show face and divert the wagon to almost inevitably me when they didn't quite think of it before.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 19:01 GMT
#2275
Why is skynx not mafia? He said his biggest town read was me and that rayn is capable of fooling him as mafia and then voted me. He said his biggest scum reads were calix and vivax and exo and I started cases on you and calix and exo is the claim today. He blindly believed the claim from his biggest scum read and then when he had to choose between his biggest town read who made cases on his two biggest scum reads and rayn who he said could fool him he chose me.

I don't understand when you became so bad that you actually ignore talking points but it's quite frustrating. I get why you think ch is mafia and it was quite weird at the time but why do you just ignore people talking and write as if those things don't exist all the time? You used to always say even if I spam and write walls of text you had fun playing because of effort and you enjoy solving the puzzle but you're becoming the antithesis of what you said you loved and it's stupid.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 19:08 GMT
#2278
Don't just give up that's shit
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April 14 2018 19:09 GMT
#2279
Your biggest scum read made the case on you and you said I'm the mafia out of rayn or me so why the martyr then?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 19:18 GMT
#2281
Dunno why you're saying we're ignoring oats? I think he's probably mafia and calix just wrote a post on him looking suspicious.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 19:20 GMT
#2282
Been called town by him way too many times
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April 14 2018 19:23 GMT
#2284
I get that. We have written about him and we would probably vote him though. If it's a battle between him and skynx though on who to vote first there's a lot of suspicious things on skynx that don't add up vs oats whose suspicions on him are that he does what he wants, follows thread sentiments and town reads me.

I kinda wish I didn't scum read you day 1 so we could have played this game way differently and actually talked but please try and see the skynx is mafia perspective and have a chat with us about him too. There are multiple avenues we can go down with lynching and oats is definitely one of them.
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April 14 2018 19:29 GMT
#2286
But then we filter dove skynx?

I think the fact he voted calix all day yesterday, had exo as a scum read and you as a scum read and calix as a scum read (who I made cases for all! of you being mafia) is damning.

Look who he chose to vote today in a battle between myself and rayn. He chose to vote his biggest town read who cases his biggest scum reads (even on exo!) over rayn who he said could be fooling him. Why? There is no reason.

Then there's the catch by calix on the gb thing which I agree could just mean nothing but it adds some weight.

Then there's the fact calix/exo was tvs for skynx but he makes no mention of calix being mafia when he believes exo (his biggest scum read) to be parity.
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April 14 2018 19:30 GMT
#2287
I think they could both absolutely be mafia and I'm sure if skynx was not an option oats would be my next one. Sorry if I didn't engage you, there's a lot of walls up between us that has been preventing any kind of engagement of scum reads which is understandable. I hope we can try and get around that now and I'm willing to talk about oats/ch right now if you wish.
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April 14 2018 19:33 GMT
#2288
On April 15 2018 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
But then we filter dove skynx?

I think the fact he voted calix all day yesterday, had exo as a scum read and you as a scum read and calix as a scum read (who I made cases for all! of you being mafia) is damning.

Look who he chose to vote today in a battle between myself and rayn. He chose to vote his biggest town read who cases his biggest scum reads (even on exo!) over rayn who he said could be fooling him. Why? There is no reason.

Then there's the catch by calix on the gb thing which I agree could just mean nothing but it adds some weight.

Then there's the fact calix/exo was tvs for skynx but he makes no mention of calix being mafia when he believes exo (his biggest scum read) to be parity.


Also now exo is parity to skynx calix should be his biggest scum read. I am also who he is voting for. We are starting his lynch and he martyrs. Why?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 19:36 GMT
#2290
It is oats is mafia?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 20:18 GMT
#2299
You're doing that thing where I ask if you're willing to talk about things and you say you want to and then ignore talking about those things vivax.
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April 14 2018 20:29 GMT
#2302
On April 15 2018 05:24 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 05:18 Holyflare wrote:
You're doing that thing where I ask if you're willing to talk about things and you say you want to and then ignore talking about those things vivax.


I'm still convinced you are mafia so you have to understand that to me you're just throwing distraction dummies when Oats is mafia.

You have been willing to overweight attention away from Oats and CH this game for the sake of anything else really.


I literally just asked to talk about oats and you just throw back that I'm mafia again lol.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 20:38 GMT
#2303
Why won't you talk about skynx?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 20:51 GMT
#2306
Why does he think I'm mafia, vivax?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 20:52 GMT
#2307
If what you say is true and he says calix is next and he thinks I'm mafia why is he martyring on himself when two scum reads are voting him?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:00 GMT
#2309
What.....?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:01 GMT
#2310
Why does he think I'm mafia over rayn then?
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:03 GMT
#2311
On April 14 2018 17:53 Skynx wrote:
Bah Tubesock is full tinfoil mode and homeless is mafia.

It's not too bad actually, if rayn and Oats are sane we should still have the lynch.


Literally opposite of what he said vivax.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:03 GMT
#2312
All 3 mafia reads are voting for him and he martyrs? :D
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:12 GMT
#2317
You literally just said he's fucking martyring because he thinks homeless is town and I just disproved that and you then proceed to whine.

Just go back to your little corner instead, much more pleasant than having a discussion when you ignore blatant facts to pedal terrible reads isn't it?
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April 14 2018 21:13 GMT
#2318
I don't care and don't want skynx to answer, none of this is to do with skynx and all of this is to do with vivax and his inability to look at basic facts and make conclusions.
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April 14 2018 21:16 GMT
#2319
On April 15 2018 06:04 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think I'm mafia over rayn then?


See this is the shit you do when you're scum. The entire reason you are pushing skynx is the argument CH brought and when I easily dismiss his reasons as bollocks you just look for the next best thing within your reach that doesn't even have anything to do with what you originally agreed on.

Either way you can ask the rest of the questions to Skynx including that one since what CH said is already explained away by me.


It's really not that in the slightest. The main reason I am voting for him is the argument that I presented myself. That he had me as his top town read, he had calix and vivax and exo as his top scum reads for reasons that I made myself in every case (bar exo but I even cased exo last night) and he said that rayn is playing in a way that he could be mafia quite easily but then he straight up goes to vote me when the wagon on me is already starting just because of what reason?

The reason he stated was that I would have town reads as town but this was already disproven by Tubesock that even in my last two direct games I have said the exact same thing about having little to no scum reads and what did skynx do? Afk and martyr and not even change his suspicions.

Why is he not voting rayn in this case? It's scummy, he said calix/me/ch are scum and now he's martrying because his entire scum team is voting him.

If you choose to ignore this case just keep being bad.
Holyflare
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April 14 2018 21:18 GMT
#2320
I also never asked for you to talk about CH's point on skynx. I just agreed with you that it wasn't correct after looking back.
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April 14 2018 21:18 GMT
#2321
I wanted you to talk to me about your scum reads on oats AND ch AND my points on skynx, not ch's points on skynx.
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April 14 2018 21:32 GMT
#2324
I'll be honest, I think rayn might well be mafia and I know he's just going to come in, quote this post and say I'm definitely mafia for it but I'm just gonna basically spill what's on my mind instead. I think his day 1 was really bad. Sure, he's afk and that's not scummy but when he returns he just played in very non-rayn ways. He made a huge defence post against calix but then acknowledged in it that her points may well have actually been correct because he had "bad wording". He said my points on vivax were good and then nothing happened in between and rayn hard defends vivax from being lynched because he said that vivax rolls over in this case as mafia which just isn't true.

Day 2 what did he really do? He asked if eversince had a gun, piggybacked off of CH's points on eversince and sat on her lynch. I would have pushed a lynch on rayn already if it wasn't for his case on damdred (which ended up being wrong) and his big wall post at the start of that day which had good points but it ended up being not good.

Today he has just said he's busy so I eagerly await for what he says. It's tough if he is mafia because if he lynches me then he has to fight off an entire town wagon on him the next day because of "parity cop" so it's in his best interest to lynch elsewhere. I think he was pushing for a calix lynch but I think calix is probably town at this point for:

1. Putting in the effort today and looking for inconsistencies.
2. Contradicting her earlier plan of lynching me because she found a better case.
3. Day 2 wagon was between a town gunsmith that basically had a lock case for her to be mafia and any mafia could have sat on for free but about 4 people showed tmi (obviously someone has to be town) and their alternative lynch was solely calix. I don't think oats/skynx/tube/exo are all town and scum read oats/skynx so their alternate wagon was calix which I'm not a fan of.

So I'll see where he ends up when he returns to be honest. I think this post might force him to lynch me but I don't care, it's my honest thoughts.
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April 14 2018 21:33 GMT
#2325
On April 15 2018 06:21 Vivax wrote:
You have to die today or I ragequit this game


please just do that instead if you fail to see that skynx is mafia
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April 14 2018 21:43 GMT
#2327
Rayn being mafia makes sense with skynx because in my case, as I've explained, Skynx SHOULD have picked rayn as his mafia choice because:

1. Skynx's scum reads before today were Vivax/Calix/Exo. All those three people I had made cases on.
2. I was Skynx's top town read along with Oats and Rayn. Even though Oats and Rayn were his top town reads too he made the special note for them that he's been fooled by them when they are mafia.
3. Vivax is his top scum read and has been pushing me all game.

When it came down to it he just voted me for a meta that was disproven by tubesock and ignored pretty much everything that he thought for absolutely no reason. He should be town reading me for casing all of his scum reads. He should be mafia reading rayn because he was fooled by rayn before. He should be town reading me because of his top scum read, vivax, pushing me non-stop all game.

It feels like he was hard deflecting from rayn imo.
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April 14 2018 22:36 GMT
#2333
Deluded. You can't even figure out skynx is mafia with blatant facts shoved in your face.
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April 14 2018 22:59 GMT
#2335
On April 15 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hf i have a question for you cause something has been bothering me about what you said earlier

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 06:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2018 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think I'm mafia over rayn then?


See this is the shit you do when you're scum. The entire reason you are pushing skynx is the argument CH brought and when I easily dismiss his reasons as bollocks you just look for the next best thing within your reach that doesn't even have anything to do with what you originally agreed on.

Either way you can ask the rest of the questions to Skynx including that one since what CH said is already explained away by me.


why is it that you said i extrapolated but you seem to have no problem with this

its like your standard for vivax is just different from everyone else in the game and thats actually really weird.


Don't understand your question?

And yes I do have a different standard for vivax.
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April 14 2018 23:42 GMT
#2338
On April 15 2018 08:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
On April 15 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hf i have a question for you cause something has been bothering me about what you said earlier

On April 15 2018 06:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2018 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think I'm mafia over rayn then?


See this is the shit you do when you're scum. The entire reason you are pushing skynx is the argument CH brought and when I easily dismiss his reasons as bollocks you just look for the next best thing within your reach that doesn't even have anything to do with what you originally agreed on.

Either way you can ask the rest of the questions to Skynx including that one since what CH said is already explained away by me.


why is it that you said i extrapolated but you seem to have no problem with this

its like your standard for vivax is just different from everyone else in the game and thats actually really weird.


Don't understand your question?

And yes I do have a different standard for vivax.


he claims the only reason you are voting skynx is because of something i said which is not true

and he also says he refuted what i said which is also not true

do you think vivax is scum or not?


Yes, he isn't reading at all.

What are the reasons you are voting skynx? Your initial vote post seems to imply that it's because he wasn't saying anything about calix? Subsequent posts give more reasons (hedging or whatever).

I don't think he's mafia. I think he's very stubborn and is incapable of actually having a discussion about anything that isn't his scum read. I think he plays very badly when he's like this and it's depressing but it's not necessarily mafia vivax.
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April 15 2018 00:09 GMT
#2340
I want rayn to be town, I really do. I hope he is actually free tomorrow so we can chat.
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April 15 2018 01:18 GMT
#2346
I pointed it out and you ignored me AND IT WAS THE ORIGINAL TOPIC.

SKYNX IS BEING VOTED FOR BY HIS THREE TOP SCUM READS AND MARTYRD.

Read the fucking game jesus christ. Don't flame other people when it's you with the shittest reading comprehension.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 01:20 GMT
#2347
I think I seriously overestimated your general intelligence if you can't realise you were wrong on skynx's ch read and then can't piece together what I was talking about.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 01:21 GMT
#2348
Maybe you're just actually mafia after all and my special vivax leeway that I usually give you is being abused but this is a new low.
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April 15 2018 01:31 GMT
#2351
On April 14 2018 06:13 Skynx wrote:
Lol we caught scumflare I'm proud.



Calix is the lynch after HF regardless if she claims or no


On April 14 2018 17:53 Skynx wrote:
Bah Tubesock is full tinfoil mode and homeless is mafia.

It's not too bad actually, if rayn and Oats are sane we should still have the lynch.



On April 15 2018 01:10 Skynx wrote:
Yeh, my level of care has gone down to zero. Enjoy your lynch, worst town I've seen in a while.


On April 14 2018 18:24 Skynx wrote:
But whatever we lost anyway.




On April 15 2018 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
Day 3 Vote count
remaining





Holyflare (2): ExO_, Skynx, Calix, Vivax
Skynx (4): currentlyhomeless, Holyflare, Calix , skynx
Calix (2): Tubesock, Holyflare, currentlyhomeless, Oatsmaster
ExO_ (0): Holyflare, Tubesock
Vivax (0): currentlyhomeless


Not Voting (1): raynpelikoneet




Currently Skynx is set to be lynched.
Voting is mandatory! Place votes in THIS THREAD (link)



Skynx's today's mafia reads in red.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 01:34 GMT
#2352
Not only did skynx martyr himself when all of his scum reads voted him but he also stopped me being the majority.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:41 GMT
#2373
And when CH posts that reason for Skynx being mafia which is literally just that Skynx wasn't scumreading Calix which I have gone back and shown to be untrue cause HF insisted on me giving my opinion on Skynx based on what CH said, HF disgreards all the counter argument and just asks me why I didn't see the post where skynx was actually scumreading CH which isn't even what he wanted me to talk about in the first place


That isn't the only reason but you were right on that point. Why does it make him mafia though? Mafia can just jump on my wagon.

The bolded is also absolutely not what I asked for and you keep saying it is.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:42 GMT
#2374
On April 15 2018 13:48 ExO_ wrote:
This is a joke. Mafia has complete control of the game at this point. I feel no desire to continue trying.

Well done by scum team to convince town that the miller or framer scenario has to be what happened therefore we should just ignore HF/Rayn and focus on anybody else.

honestly great scum game from HF. If HF was town he would’ve been dead by now.

Part of me wants to rage vote myself, but nah. My vote will stay parked on HF in the hopes town will pull its head out of its ass. But I have 0 faith this will happen.

gg well played scum.


So who is mafia outside of me then?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:45 GMT
#2375
I've also said the miller/framer thing might not be correct but there's more mafia outside the claims that we can be sure on so indulge us instead of whining.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:55 GMT
#2377
Ok
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:56 GMT
#2378
Not like I tried to day 1 lynch vivax or anything.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:57 GMT
#2379
I also didn't say 2 Mafia. I said there could be 2-3.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 08:57 GMT
#2380
I have my own personal tinfoil but I'll see what happens for that.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 09:04 GMT
#2382
it's probably because I'm blatantly not mafia
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 11:33 GMT
#2386
On April 14 2018 21:59 Holyflare wrote:
Oats/skynx/oneofraynorvivaxdonthateforsaying


bit late there
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 11:36 GMT
#2388
On April 15 2018 08:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 08:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 15 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
On April 15 2018 07:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
hf i have a question for you cause something has been bothering me about what you said earlier

On April 15 2018 06:04 Vivax wrote:
On April 15 2018 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
Why does he think I'm mafia over rayn then?


See this is the shit you do when you're scum. The entire reason you are pushing skynx is the argument CH brought and when I easily dismiss his reasons as bollocks you just look for the next best thing within your reach that doesn't even have anything to do with what you originally agreed on.

Either way you can ask the rest of the questions to Skynx including that one since what CH said is already explained away by me.


why is it that you said i extrapolated but you seem to have no problem with this

its like your standard for vivax is just different from everyone else in the game and thats actually really weird.


Don't understand your question?

And yes I do have a different standard for vivax.


he claims the only reason you are voting skynx is because of something i said which is not true

and he also says he refuted what i said which is also not true

do you think vivax is scum or not?


Yes, he isn't reading at all.

What are the reasons you are voting skynx? Your initial vote post seems to imply that it's because he wasn't saying anything about calix? Subsequent posts give more reasons (hedging or whatever).

I don't think he's mafia. I think he's very stubborn and is incapable of actually having a discussion about anything that isn't his scum read. I think he plays very badly when he's like this and it's depressing but it's not necessarily mafia vivax.


eliminated that possibility yo
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 11:38 GMT
#2390
My tinfoil is exo is mafia because his last post was just pathetic.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 12:18 GMT
#2392
rayn where the fuck are you?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 14:47 GMT
#2394
Cool...
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 16:29 GMT
#2400
I also really hate rayn's big wall post.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 18:44 GMT
#2445
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 18:44 GMT
#2446
what a shit show last few pages
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 18:53 GMT
#2455
why does that make me mafia??????????
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 18:55 GMT
#2456
like fuck sake even if I was mafia I made a case on you and there was not one response from you saying why it's wrong

that's on you
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:02 GMT
#2461
but your mafia reads voted you?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:05 GMT
#2465
it's 100% df or disformation
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:06 GMT
#2467
?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:08 GMT
#2470
I'm not mafia though and you've given 0 reasons why I am?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:39 GMT
#2479
literally couldn't give less of a shit anymore now
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:43 GMT
#2482
The amount of toxic fucks that sign up to play a mafia game just to not play a mafia game is beyond me. Why do you give absolutely no shits about ruining a game that people are actually trying to play in because you can't be bothered to argue in a game ABOUT arguing.
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:43 GMT
#2484
On April 16 2018 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Soooo...Should I do it? I really want to see who scum was.


don't you dare post your role pm we can still win
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:44 GMT
#2486
just lynch rayn because that last post was fucking balls
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:47 GMT
#2487
does nobody understand what democracy is?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 19:49 GMT
#2489
calix is actually mafia?
Holyflare
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April 15 2018 23:29 GMT
#2494
On April 16 2018 04:49 Calix wrote:
Obviously.


Let me be really clear. You don't understand the importance of democracy?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 00:37 GMT
#2497
Is everyone in this game fucking mafia or do you guys just not understand democracy??????
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:10 GMT
#2513
On April 16 2018 17:07 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 12:39 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 16 2018 09:37 Holyflare wrote:
Is everyone in this game fucking mafia or do you guys just not understand democracy??????


yes

the only non mafia in this game are me tube and rayn

or maybe the jole is we are all town and there are no mafia at all. every night one person just randomly gets killed and in the end ff was just trollign us all along

this explains why we lynch obvious scum and they fucking flip green


Second part is relatable :p

Anyway I haven’t seen much to change my reads and I don’t think anyone is in the mood to work with others regardless.

Town is just yelling at each other, trying to pin the blame for the “shit game guise” and promoting a poor atmosphere while accusing each other of being the cause. I think it’s reasonable to conclude that everyone made some mistakes this game. But most people are too emotionally invested in the game to admit that right now so I don’t know if I can change much.

So I’m just going to be around, not worrying too much about what happens, asking off topic questions and lynching one of Rayn/Oats tomorrow.


Speak for yourself. All I've done is try only to have people whine that they don't want to.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:14 GMT
#2517
Can we just lynch oats? Safest vote on mafia. Dude doesn't even give a shit about finding mafia.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:26 GMT
#2522
I really have no idea what you guys are arguing about. Rayn's post was bad and you should feel bad for liking it. Trying to confirm a blue doesn't make him town and is well within his scum read.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:26 GMT
#2523
Range*
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:27 GMT
#2524
But oats is the best lynch. Eventually mafia will have to kill into me/rayn/exo.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 09:35 GMT
#2526
But we agree we're lynching oats right?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 11:03 GMT
#2543
On April 16 2018 18:49 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 18:43 Calix wrote:
I have an idea. Why don't you tell us what your scum team theory is and explain how it makes sense? I think that would probably help the rest of the thread, don't you think?


sure.

me tube and rayn are confirmed. exo is 70% town.

that leaves you, oats, vivax, hf.

of those players you are 100% scum and the others are equally likely at this point.


U fooking wut m8?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:35 GMT
#2589
On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote:
HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum


Then lynch rayn, jesus fuck.

Just look at the last cycle from a mafia perspective. Town skynx/town hf up for lynch, what is mafia gonna do? Shit all that's what. Who did shit all? Rayn, oats, you, skynx, ch, vivax (what did he actually do in regards to skynx?).

Since you are claimed blue then you've got oats/rayn/ch/vivax. Yet you assume I'm the mafia?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:39 GMT
#2593
On April 16 2018 20:38 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 20:07 Calix wrote:
On April 16 2018 20:04 ExO_ wrote:
Rayn/CH if gf in game HF, if not, oats.


lynching outside of HF/Rayn is silly. If we lynched one today and it was wrong, we’d come into today with a guaranteed scum lynch. Instead we’re in lylo....or you guys will be.


Wait, I'm not sure which names go with which mafia player possibility. Formatting unclear.

Also if you are not shot tonight then you will get your wish tomorrow. Because town all has to vote together and you will never vote for anyone outside of those two.


If there GF in game:

Rayn/HF/CH

If no GF:

Rayn/CH/Oats


O
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:42 GMT
#2596
On April 16 2018 21:37 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote:
On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote:
HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum


Then lynch rayn, jesus fuck.

Just look at the last cycle from a mafia perspective. Town skynx/town hf up for lynch, what is mafia gonna do? Shit all that's what. Who did shit all? Rayn, oats, you, skynx, ch, vivax (what did he actually do in regards to skynx?).

Since you are claimed blue then you've got oats/rayn/ch/vivax. Yet you assume I'm the mafia?


rofl

I did shit all when I led the lynch on skynx

by your own standards you are scum

nice scumclaim


You didn't lead the lynch on skynx. I would say calix led the lynch on skynx and you came up with a point that was not quite right. I also came up with things that cemented it. I feel like you are way too argumentative tonight with calix who looked very towny yesterday over monumentally shit points.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:46 GMT
#2598
On April 16 2018 20:51 ExO_ wrote:
Then why the fuck isnt TS screaming for Rayns head. If you believe in Role Blocker, you believe my check. There’s no alternative here


Miller rber dude
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:50 GMT
#2604
On April 16 2018 21:48 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
On April 16 2018 21:37 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 16 2018 21:35 Holyflare wrote:
On April 16 2018 19:23 ExO_ wrote:
HF or Rayn, b/c one of them is scum


Then lynch rayn, jesus fuck.

Just look at the last cycle from a mafia perspective. Town skynx/town hf up for lynch, what is mafia gonna do? Shit all that's what. Who did shit all? Rayn, oats, you, skynx, ch, vivax (what did he actually do in regards to skynx?).

Since you are claimed blue then you've got oats/rayn/ch/vivax. Yet you assume I'm the mafia?


rofl

I did shit all when I led the lynch on skynx

by your own standards you are scum

nice scumclaim


You didn't lead the lynch on skynx. I would say calix led the lynch on skynx and you came up with a point that was not quite right. I also came up with things that cemented it. I feel like you are way too argumentative tonight with calix who looked very towny yesterday over monumentally shit points.


uh actually i did

votes speak for themselves. whatever bs you wanna come up with is just that


If you want to argue semantics, you did vote skynx first. However, a first vote does not a leader make.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 12:51 GMT
#2605
I know what rayn is doing but he still might be mafia.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:10 GMT
#2611
On April 16 2018 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would never pass up on lynching Holyflare as mafia ever. 100% never ever. It would jsut be too funny, even if it means i get lynched after.


That's not true. It's in mafia's best interest to not lynch into me and you too because if I flip town and you're mafia you'll likely just die?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:11 GMT
#2612
Probably should have looked at the last sentence in that quote :p
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:11 GMT
#2613
I don't think you're necessarily mafia rayn I just need to hear you talk for a bit because one wall of text won't convince me of anything at lylo.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:41 GMT
#2618
Yes, you presented the leading case that got Eversince lynched. Congratulations?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:42 GMT
#2619
I feel like ch is wildly flailing at everything that he possibly can. It looks very opportune to me.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 13:44 GMT
#2620
If you think I'm mafia in this game just read my filter. If you conclude I'm mafia after that I suggest you join a newbie game and get some coaching.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 14:16 GMT
#2629
On April 16 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, you presented the leading case that got Eversince lynched. Congratulations?


and you sheeped it

if we’re both town who’s worse?

like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town

everyone calls you good but youre actually trash


I literally have no idea where this has stemmed from. I'm telling exo that mafia motivation in a tvt lynch is to sit back and I gave him a list of names of people I thought who did that. I don't think you pushed skynx very hard nor did much yesterday. Sorry if you feel otherwise.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 14:27 GMT
#2633
On April 16 2018 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 23:16 Holyflare wrote:
On April 16 2018 22:50 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 16 2018 22:41 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, you presented the leading case that got Eversince lynched. Congratulations?


and you sheeped it

if we’re both town who’s worse?

like if rayn is scum here which looks like he is, you’re 95% town

everyone calls you good but youre actually trash


I literally have no idea where this has stemmed from. I'm telling exo that mafia motivation in a tvt lynch is to sit back and I gave him a list of names of people I thought who did that. I don't think you pushed skynx very hard nor did much yesterday. Sorry if you feel otherwise.

And why exactly am i writing a shit fuck wall of text when there is a tvt lynch as mafia?


Because you promised to be around at a certain time and weren't and had to deliver to look better than I looked yesterday? I don't know, I think you still might have a chance to be town and I'll let you do this gun thing.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 14:27 GMT
#2634
I don't have to call either of you mafia?
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 14:37 GMT
#2639
On April 16 2018 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what does it have to do with anything if i look better than you? like don't you know your own alignment? can i somehow look better to YOU than you do?


To everyone else you pleb. If I'm there and there's a "red check" on one of us and I'm posting all day casing then you look comparatively worse.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 14:38 GMT
#2640
I said it's bad and it's your only contribution. Lack of contributing and bad looks bad for alignments.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 15:06 GMT
#2646
I had votes because of general fear and the fact people think you saying you didn't have a gun to Eversince was towny. I tend to agree and like I said I don't think you're necessarily mafia.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 15:15 GMT
#2648
Oats is always first. It gives us more time to talk.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 18:55 GMT
#2676
Lynch all people that call me town first innit.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:32 GMT
#2681
Rayn is town.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:33 GMT
#2682
The only way they kill the parity cop is so they can play me vs rayn at lylo. Fucking failure nk.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:37 GMT
#2686
Shoot tube rb exo ultimate wifom. It's what I'd do.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:39 GMT
#2688
Actually home now so have some time to think
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:39 GMT
#2689
Rayn's gun thing does make him mafia i think
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:42 GMT
#2690
I initially thought he was doing it to "fool" mafia into rbing him like oats said but then it's fucking obvious that mafia already knows whether rayn has a gun or not because they either rbd es or they didn't.

The only reason to do it is to confuse us instead.
Holyflare
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April 16 2018 19:42 GMT
#2691
Or make us believe the above
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 13:10 GMT
#2724
On April 17 2018 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 04:50 Calix wrote:
Rayn should be the lynch because he complains and berates other people but doesn't contribute anything 'better' or try to fix anything. His filter is full of negative comments, criticisms, etc, but no solutions. Mafia do this because it's easy to point out someone's mistakes but it's harder and actually pro-town to actually create and push for answers. A lot of his scum-reads are just "things that don't make sense" or "I do not understand how it comes from town" and not things that actually make people mafia.

He uses lots of WIFOM arguments when defending himself, such as with comments like "I wouldn't do X as mafia" and his latest posts were lacking in substance. By this I mean he introduced gun WIFOM (something which nobody else can confirm or disprove ever) which can only confuse, not clarify, matters for the town.

This isn't a case because that implies I want a response from rayn. I just want him dead.

I am open to an Oats lynch today as well but I do not actually have a good case on him aside from "POE + dodgy comments + could be scum with most people" so I'm feeling a bit waffly there.

Tubesock go read this again because:
First part is the definition of reasoning that makes people mafia and i am mafia for using that line of reasoning?
Second one doesn't say anything, like ofc i will say i never do X as mafia because i don't. I don't shoot my mislynches lol.
This isn't a case she just wants me dead. mhm.. okay. But she doesn't apparently really want me dead because she can also vote for Oatsmaster but is waffling? What's the point of writing the post when it doesn't end anywhere despite providing a conclusion even before the post ends?


On April 17 2018 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 12:18 Vivax wrote:
On April 16 2018 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will trust my read on Oats so exo+vivax+skynx end game credits bye.


End game credits looking worse by the day bro

What's the re-eval?

Yeah you're right and i am bad.
It's Oats/Calix/HF.
Tube and CH are gonna throw though.



And I do?????
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 13:54 GMT
#2742
On April 17 2018 22:21 currentlyhomeless wrote:
what a stupid line of thought, literally no one decent at scum would shoot any of those players

so scum are all baddies?

its just wifom

calix you are pretty aware of what wifom is. i think of all players in the game you said it more than everyone else combined. so why is it that when it conveniences you to throw shade on others for using wifom thats them being scum or wasting time but when you use it, it makes you town


Mate it's rayn using that argument.
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April 17 2018 15:13 GMT
#2748
On April 17 2018 22:57 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2018 22:54 Holyflare wrote:
On April 17 2018 22:21 currentlyhomeless wrote:
what a stupid line of thought, literally no one decent at scum would shoot any of those players

so scum are all baddies?

its just wifom

calix you are pretty aware of what wifom is. i think of all players in the game you said it more than everyone else combined. so why is it that when it conveniences you to throw shade on others for using wifom thats them being scum or wasting time but when you use it, it makes you town


Mate it's rayn using that argument.


and yet you too said exactly the same thing

though with you its way less obvious than calix


I would never make those kills as mafia but it's within my range to do anything so it's dumb to use it as an argument at this stage because those kills HAVE happened. Calix isn't using it as an argument for her, she's saying that rayn making that point is negated by the fact he never uses that argument for anyone else. She's saying rayn has double standards.

You have tried to manipulate it to make it like we are making those arguments and somehow it's WORSE we're making them over rayn.
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 15:17 GMT
#2749
On April 17 2018 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Honestly you've done it many times this game Holyflare.


I didn't. I've said I'd make more optimal kills after exo nk if I were to be following the "give town as little amount of information as possible" strat that mafia seem to be making and that's about it.

Regardless, if I did this isn't even the argument I made. It's rayn's argument that he isn't mafia because of the nks, not me.
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 15:19 GMT
#2750
I've dropped confirmed town hints/crumbs all game. Does nobody read role pms?
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 16:59 GMT
#2752
I haven't been here at all and why would I ever stop people talking about things?
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:00 GMT
#2753
On April 18 2018 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
I've dropped confirmed town hints/crumbs all game. Does nobody read role pms?


I'm the most town confirmed person there can be in this thread and not one person even fucking saw it. I'm convinced you're all mafia.
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:02 GMT
#2755
No mafia absolutely get pms if it's not in the op
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:02 GMT
#2756
Let's not talk about it anymore
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:02 GMT
#2757
I think oats is the best kill still
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:03 GMT
#2758
On April 18 2018 02:01 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
I've dropped confirmed town hints/crumbs all game. Does nobody read role pms?


You could have told us that the VT PM isn’t in the OP, lol.

Like yeah, you are technically confirmed town now but I didn’t think you needed to do that and it’s unfair to the mafia team, almost as bad as Vivax.


Not even what I was talking about anyway
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:12 GMT
#2760
I'm thinking ch is their power role and you fucked uo not voting him. I'm also not entirely convinced rayn is mafia and it might be vivax/ch/oats and vivax just spams nonsense and gets town read through filter length.
Holyflare
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April 17 2018 17:19 GMT
#2763
Don't really know. Adding suspense personally.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 17:26 GMT
#2764
Mafia has become a shit game for me. Long ago were the days of the hf marv tag team where finding inconsistencies that were unexplained made people mafia. Now people can't even give a shit to fight a case and afk and complain. It's bad.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 18:42 GMT
#2767
the case is you've done shit all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 18:43 GMT
#2768
are we sure tubesock can't be mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 18:43 GMT
#2769
nah his claim was pretty good
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 21:03 GMT
#2776
Cos it'll end up rayn vivax or some stupid shit and that's why rayn did some bullshit 180 on the vivax lynch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 17 2018 21:45 GMT
#2784
Just know I will never believe a team with calix in it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:45 GMT
#2796
The nk looked like a rayn nk and I wanted his reaction? Nothing more.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:46 GMT
#2797
You already knew this existed too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:48 GMT
#2798
On April 14 2018 07:33 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you saying it like I haven't evaluated anything? I've spent the whole game evaluating these people. I thought exo was mafia, he was pushed as mafia and was most likely to be mafia. I'm insanely wary of his claim. I snap voted rayn and said vivax was town at the beginning of the day because i spent the last few minutes before deadline combing vivax's mafia games and he's right, 13 pages would be a record for him as mafia. Max he had was 8 day 3 in a 160 page game. When I concluded this and saw the nk I thought it was 100% rayn mafia because if vivax is town and I'm town shitting up the thread with vivax leaving me alive with him is optimal mafia play and fake voted rayn to see what would happen. Nobody reacted and exo claimed so kind of wasted my attempt but if rayn town reads me and I town read rayn and we both were wary of vivax and none of us three died then I'd always think it was rayn at this point.

Thus I couldn't really decide between the two which I trusted more. I thought exo's claims had holes but it didn't so much after I looked into it and the more I thought about the setup the more balanced it seemed. After that I remembered tubesock quoting you with a definite blue soft to not get lynched (yes, keep repeating that it wasn't, we get it). If we lynched rayn and he turned out to actually be town (like I initially thought last cycle) then I kind of thought the game would be over in my mind (sleep deprivation) and was a bit of a risk. Since you softed blue and there were three blues already it's a far better shot at lynching you and letting the blue claim resolve itself.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:50 GMT
#2800
Let's not forget that I didn't even rescind it ever. Your theory is also that I'm on a team with calix where I'm not scum read ever and decide to fake claim blue as well as calix in a 13 player game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:52 GMT
#2801
On April 18 2018 14:50 Vivax wrote:
Place a vote HF?


We need to be unanimous.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 05:58 GMT
#2804
I've posted why I did it so it's quite obvious. It's scummy for you to push this now when you knew it existed last cycle and said absolutely nothing about it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:00 GMT
#2805
On April 14 2018 16:11 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 07:33 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you saying it like I haven't evaluated anything? I've spent the whole game evaluating these people. I thought exo was mafia, he was pushed as mafia and was most likely to be mafia. I'm insanely wary of his claim. I snap voted rayn and said vivax was town at the beginning of the day because i spent the last few minutes before deadline combing vivax's mafia games and he's right, 13 pages would be a record for him as mafia. Max he had was 8 day 3 in a 160 page game. When I concluded this and saw the nk I thought it was 100% rayn mafia because if vivax is town and I'm town shitting up the thread with vivax leaving me alive with him is optimal mafia play and fake voted rayn to see what would happen. Nobody reacted and exo claimed so kind of wasted my attempt but if rayn town reads me and I town read rayn and we both were wary of vivax and none of us three died then I'd always think it was rayn at this point.

Thus I couldn't really decide between the two which I trusted more. I thought exo's claims had holes but it didn't so much after I looked into it and the more I thought about the setup the more balanced it seemed. After that I remembered tubesock quoting you with a definite blue soft to not get lynched (yes, keep repeating that it wasn't, we get it). If we lynched rayn and he turned out to actually be town (like I initially thought last cycle) then I kind of thought the game would be over in my mind (sleep deprivation) and was a bit of a risk. Since you softed blue and there were three blues already it's a far better shot at lynching you and letting the blue claim resolve itself.


ah look town read rayn too

vivax scum

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:00 GMT
#2806
You directly quoted the post even!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:01 GMT
#2807
Let's also not forget that I crumb blue in almost every single game I have ever played.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:02 GMT
#2808
Which when you are darthfoley you already know.
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:04 GMT
#2811
If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:04 GMT
#2812
Fake cop*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:06 GMT
#2813
No you are darthfoley. I've done a meta analysis on your posts and you're the only one who posts some of the words you type in the way you type them. You were either disformation or darthfoley. Feel free to tl search it

Keep maintaining the lie though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:09 GMT
#2815
Your theory is that I was mafia fake crumbing to get in a fight with a cop claim which I never did. Your alternative theory is that I'm mafia fake crumbing on the off chance there is no cop but there would be quite a few other claims and I'd still unnecessarily put myself into a poe of blue claims with which we'd be lynching rayn to prove my claim and then myself.

What kind of shit plan is this?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:09 GMT
#2816
You think my grand mafia plan is to implicate myself as mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:15 GMT
#2820
On April 18 2018 15:10 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him?


you cant fucking rewrite history

nice try though

opening d3

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate



Re-read my giant wall post. Try again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:18 GMT
#2821
You're looking really bad right now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:47 GMT
#2831
On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:10 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him?


you cant fucking rewrite history

nice try though

opening d3

On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate



Re-read my giant wall post. Try again.


why? its just a giant fake explanation for why you snap voted rayn. oh but you just said you didnt vote rayn?

which one is it? you cant even keep your story straight


How about checking the vote thread before you spin your bad narrative

You just fully committed to a scum claim. You'd rather fling shit at every possible turn than actually try and figure out alignments. None of this questions why I did what I did and instead just endless narratives.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:50 GMT
#2832
On April 18 2018 15:36 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:28 Calix wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:21 Calix wrote:
I could have told you that earlier, HF. CH doesn’t give a damn about what alignment you are. He only cares about finding shit to fling against the wall.

He even said so himself when he “found something” before making up some inane theory about blue softing.

It’s quite blatant.


ah yes

i as scum would out myself by saying “i found somethingl

brilliant analysis


You’re outing yourself by pushing stuff you didn’t care about earlier and which makes no sense from scum POV.

Also by calling me “confirmed scum” for shit which doesn’t make people scum.

Your reads have changed at the drop of a hat today. First Rayn is mafia and so is Oats, then you suddenly make an about-turn to attack me over how I word my posts. When nobody found that convincing you started talking shit about HF and suddenly Rayn and Oats can be town here. Despite Oats being all but outed mafia.

For shame.


youre confirmed scum to me because only scum would misrepresent my reads this hard

also i have to say i trapped you pretty good

i legitly thought rayn was scum following the gun backtrack. but if rayn is scum i cant also be scum, anyone reading the game would know that. he backtracked on the gun, making me think he is scum literally when i was in the process if posting about how he cant possibly be scum. now explain to me how i am scum with scum rayn in that scenario cause i’m sure everyone else would love to hear your brilliant analysis as usual

what made me flip on rayn (which i kept to myself) was vivax’s post which i think makes him probable town. though even as scum he would post that, as i think if he is scum with hf here he definitely busses.

but why bother broadcasting that at lylo when i want to see who scum are? you voted rayn eventually and confirmed that.


Bahahahahahahahaha
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 06:50 GMT
#2833
Hahahahahahahahaha
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:10 GMT
#2837
On April 18 2018 15:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:10 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him?


you cant fucking rewrite history

nice try though

opening d3

On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate



Re-read my giant wall post. Try again.


why? its just a giant fake explanation for why you snap voted rayn. oh but you just said you didnt vote rayn?

which one is it? you cant even keep your story straight


How about checking the vote thread before you spin your bad narrative

You just fully committed to a scum claim. You'd rather fling shit at every possible turn than actually try and figure out alignments. None of this questions why I did what I did and instead just endless narratives.


i already did and i already knew youd try to spin it as “oh i didnt actually vote rayn cause i didnt put it in the vote thread”

thats such a flimsy defense, youre basically setting yourself up to be able to say anything here


So let me just confirm. You absolutely know that I didn't vote properly but your line is that I am lying about fake voting?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:12 GMT
#2838
Calix is absolutely town and everything of hers that you have tried to construe as scummy today was so bad and twisted I can't comprehend how your mafia brain could even do that.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:25 GMT
#2841
On April 18 2018 16:15 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 16:10 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:15 Holyflare wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:10 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 18 2018 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
If I am cop fake crumbing a check on rayn why do I never vote him?


you cant fucking rewrite history

nice try though

opening d3

On April 14 2018 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
##vote raynpelikoneet

unlucky mate



Re-read my giant wall post. Try again.


why? its just a giant fake explanation for why you snap voted rayn. oh but you just said you didnt vote rayn?

which one is it? you cant even keep your story straight


How about checking the vote thread before you spin your bad narrative

You just fully committed to a scum claim. You'd rather fling shit at every possible turn than actually try and figure out alignments. None of this questions why I did what I did and instead just endless narratives.


i already did and i already knew youd try to spin it as “oh i didnt actually vote rayn cause i didnt put it in the vote thread”

thats such a flimsy defense, youre basically setting yourself up to be able to say anything here


So let me just confirm. You absolutely know that I didn't vote properly but your line is that I am lying about fake voting?


wut

there is no town motivation to 1. fake crumb cop 2. put a vote in the thread and then go back on it right after

like in the worst case (which fucking happened actually) the actual cop comes out and claims

gee i wonder why exo claimed yesterday

semi-unluckily for you he also happened to red check you

if youre town youre smart enough to know that the actual cop claiming is actually what would happen and you did it anyway which means youre not town


It wasn't a fake crumb. Let's just get this straight. It was pretty much a claim to make rayn do something because, like I said, it was a rayn nk. Exo claiming was nothing to do with my claim either and you are saying my mafia strategy is to trade 1 for 1 with the cop for absolutely no reason.

You have no thought behind why I would claim as mafia in the slightest. That is what makes you mafia. There is an abundance of reasons why I would do a not-hard pressure claim on rayn as town (and I always do this as town which you seem to be neglecting) vs the 0 reasons you have provided for my mafia thought process.

If you're saying I claimed to draw out the cop and fight him why the fuck would I do that? I have 0 time to play this game an an argument about who is cop just leads to my lynch and it's a pointless 1 for 1 trade. Why bother doing that? If nobody claims cop then there should be 3 other claims and we lynch my red check and I trade 1 for 1 again.

Or I could just stay being absolutely town read and not claim and have no fear of being lynched.......????

Like fucking exo was a cop, he was mislynch number 1 on that cycle. I would have no idea and keep pushing him before his cop claim because that would be my mafia strategy for a mislynch. Claiming cop to get rayn lynched who you are now saying is my partner....
....

....???


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:28 GMT
#2842
On April 18 2018 16:16 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 16:12 Holyflare wrote:
Calix is absolutely town and everything of hers that you have tried to construe as scummy today was so bad and twisted I can't comprehend how your mafia brain could even do that.


feel free to disprove anything i said on calix.

i’ll wait


I already have and you misconstrued it to say calix is defending herself using rayn's bad wifom. That wasn't the case and you tried to misconstrue it further so talking with you about it is pointless. It's a bit sad because you were doing well as mafia and had no reason to go this mad at end game unless you're mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:35 GMT
#2843
Tubesock what are your thoughts on any of this? Do you town read ch? If so, why?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 07:46 GMT
#2844
I'm going to say ch/rayn/oats. I think the amount of misconstruing that ch is doing points to someone that wanted to end the game this cycle because we're closing down on his partners. The disparity between calm and collected calix and himself was quite evident when he's pushing not even strong points. Calix is right that he's just hopping from one thing to the other in the hopes that something sticks. Not once has he evaluated ANY of Oat's posts this game/cycle and he was quite happy to vote away on oats based on (?). Now he got antsy that people are being town read and he's forced to throw shit in every direction.

Mafia motivation is quite evident. There's no evaluating of whether someone does something as town or mafia and why.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 11:38 GMT
#2863
On April 18 2018 19:54 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 19:49 Tubesock wrote:
On April 18 2018 19:42 Calix wrote:
Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer.


I disagree with you about CH not caring about the game. To me he’s very much trying to solve it.


Yeah, he is definitely trying, but he's defending all the wrong players (rayn, Oats!) and digging up 'dirt' on the townies. He's formed his conclusion (HF/ Calix = mafia) and is manipulating and distorting the facts to fit his agenda. That's why he is mafia.

I will probably have to get out the wall-posts at some point to show what I am talking about because you don't see what I see. But when I was talking to him, I could tell he didn't give a flying fuck about whether I was wrong-headed town or mafia. I know when someone's trying to understand my perspective and he was not doing that. Because he already knows I am town and he has to twist what I say to make it look like I'M the mafia instead.

I will give him this though, he brings a mean scum game.


This is exactly my thoughts on ch. He is talking past me with a narrative of why my actions only make sense as mafia and not looking at town thought process. This would be fine for a tunnelled townie or whatever but it's not tunnel it's flit from one person to the next. Have you seen him do the same thing for rayn and oats even though he keeps referencing them as mafia? I have not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 15:44 GMT
#2865
I don't think calix is mafia. It's simple. I think your read that she should know tube can just be shot twice and changes nothing is a complete stretch. The town explanation is that townies don't always/really ever need to think about how many lynches are left if they shoot a vet twice. They just need to find mafia. I can say this with confidence because I also did not know that and I'm town so it's definitely possible.

The argument on me is just bs too. I didn't stop arguments when I post twice a day before work and slightly after work when these conversations occur that you can easily defend yourself? Are there examples of these conversations?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:00 GMT
#2870
Her vote is on oats how is she losing the game?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:00 GMT
#2871
Why the fuck aren't you making this point on currently homeless?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:03 GMT
#2872
It's quite fucking simple. I don't think that exo post is as bad as you, I'm at work 12+ hours a day and post through things I don't like, it's a good shit post to start an information war and I wouldn't post about it anyway, that was posted on the day I wasn't even here.

You can't say I should stop those arguments therefore I'm mafia. The simple answer is I'm town and don't give a shit to stop those arguments. You're gonna have to deal with your logic being flawed I'm afraid.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:04 GMT
#2873
I also DID vote you day 1, I just didn't know there was a voting thread then!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:10 GMT
#2874
I especially don't think anything calix has written that you point out is mafia indicative or a shit reason that I should stop at all. It's evident that if oats is mafia he's not a good role because not one person is trying to deflect from oats other than ch who wants to win the game today.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:12 GMT
#2875
If currentlyhomeless is town we've already lost the fucking game anyway.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:12 GMT
#2876
Which REALLY MAKES IT OBVIOUS HE IS MAFIA.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:16 GMT
#2877
On April 19 2018 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
If currentlyhomeless is town we've already lost the fucking game anyway.


Nah actually if oats is mafia it's just ok
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:19 GMT
#2878
But he should absolutely know what the unanimous lynch was and stick to it if he was town but he didn't.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:19 GMT
#2879
And said he'd be back in 16 hours so basically slipped the game continues
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:36 GMT
#2881
Why would I push him because of that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:38 GMT
#2883
How is it even a point you're using against me lol? If you agree with me that he is darthfoley through my meta analysis which you can also do by typing in select words he uses and his sentences that don't use capital letters at the start after a full stop then you should also be saying he's mafia.

If you don't agree with it then my point is just wrong.

I don't have to attribute lying about who they are and where they're from as being mafia, just someone who'd rather maintain being a smurf.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:39 GMT
#2885
I'm calling the dude mafia and tried to lynch him day 1 lol :D

Maybe you can also "stop this stupid argument" and just look at the fucking search bar?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:41 GMT
#2887
I simply don't agree that someone pretending to be who they aren't and throwing people off the scent makes them mafia.

It's called an opinion and we clearly disagree. If you just look at his filter you absolutely know he's a regular. Don't play dumb and say "if he's a regular". He fucking tried to chezinu rule me with rng and EVEN ADMITTED PEOPLE SAID HIS NAME.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:42 GMT
#2888
On April 19 2018 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 10:43 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game.

If you think the dude is anyone who regularly plays here aside from a troll like kush or sicklucker you should always think this guy is mafia because this post always makes him mafia.

So darthfoley or disformation without a stupidly aggressive push on homeless here makes absolutely zero sense.
Fact.

On April 18 2018 15:03 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2018 15:02 Holyflare wrote:
Which when you are darthfoley you already know.


rofl i’m not darthfoley but ok

no one has guessed whi i am yet and probably none of you can

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:44 GMT
#2891
I'm also pushing ch for information he's trying to construe as scummy when if he is darthfoley he knows I do every game.

So, yes, I am pushing him because he is a regular that should know better.

Checkmate.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:47 GMT
#2893
On April 19 2018 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
I'm calling the dude mafia and tried to lynch him day 1 lol :D

Maybe you can also "stop this stupid argument" and just look at the fucking search bar?

D1 doesn't mean anything regarding this because you thought it was kush. Actually in that sense you couldn't prove that meta either, the one you were trying to sell me "kush reads me very correctly". You only managed to try lynch him in the last moments of D1, never ever after. Calling him mafia is different from trying to lynch him when you always find a better argument on someone else, like what happened with your read on Vivax and Calix. None of those three make any sense because you had a GOOD read, you never went back to that.

Like i get lynching ES and Skynx but still you arent going back to any of that in any way, and you ALSO manage to comp Calix in her terrible arguments and call them good. So there is that, if you are town and Vivax is in fact mafia then you have fucked up.

But i don't think ypure town.


No you fucked up if vivax is mafia. I just presented excellent logic that you hard defended for incorrect meta that I told you about.

If you hear that there is meta that contradicts what you think and the only reason you didn't push vivax is because of that meta then shouldn't you be the one digging for it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:48 GMT
#2894
On April 19 2018 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ah so you just concede to the point this guy tells you "i am not the guy you are saying i am".
But you never did that when he said he is not kush.

Very selective.


What? I never said he wasn't darthfoley because he said he wasn't. I made a decision he wasn't kush when he started typing posts after day 1.

I don't know what I'm really saying anymore but your post doesn't make any sense.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:54 GMT
#2895
On April 19 2018 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote:
I'm calling the dude mafia and tried to lynch him day 1 lol :D

Maybe you can also "stop this stupid argument" and just look at the fucking search bar?

D1 doesn't mean anything regarding this because you thought it was kush. Actually in that sense you couldn't prove that meta either, the one you were trying to sell me "kush reads me very correctly". You only managed to try lynch him in the last moments of D1, never ever after. Calling him mafia is different from trying to lynch him when you always find a better argument on someone else, like what happened with your read on Vivax and Calix. None of those three make any sense because you had a GOOD read, you never went back to that.

Like i get lynching ES and Skynx but still you arent going back to any of that in any way, and you ALSO manage to comp Calix in her terrible arguments and call them good. So there is that, if you are town and Vivax is in fact mafia then you have fucked up.

But i don't think ypure town.


D1 i think he's Kush BECAUSE KUSHMASTA POSTED IN THE THREAD. Base read on him being kush and incorrectly reading me. I don't fucking know the games, the whole point of a meta read is off the top of my head from memory. Maybe paint mafia?

Day 2 he stops fucking trolling and posting legit cases and he's definitely not kush so I stop pushing the guy that gave a case on ES because it wasn't a bad case.

So, yes, I stopped wanting to lynch him after day 1.

Calix case was surpassed by Es day 2 and day 3 I WAS GOING TO LYNCH CALIX. Then she pushed skynx and I made a good case on skynx and thought that was better.

Vivax I gave a chance to day 1, es day 2 and day 3 I searched his meta when he reached 13 pages and was trolling you highlighting where people call him crazy as town and saw he'd never in his life reached 13 pages as mafia. I also explained this in the thread.

So, yes, new information leads to new thoughts and cases. Good fucking job rayn.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 18 2018 18:55 GMT
#2896
Like fuck, I thought you were supposed to push good logic as mafia but your post basically says I'm mafia for not pushing my scum reads because new information came up???
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 18:59 GMT
#2897
On April 19 2018 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
Like fuck, I thought you were supposed to push good logic as mafia but your post basically says I'm mafia for not pushing my scum reads because new information came up???


New information that made them not mafia.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 19:29 GMT
#2901
I think he is 100% mafia but I'm not pushing off oats when we need to be unanimous.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 19:35 GMT
#2903
Vote rayn tomorrow. Don't think gf miller is fair.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 19:38 GMT
#2905
Also vote the guy that saw unanimous votes on oats and said mafia can switch if we're not unanimous and tried to start a wagon on me and afkd and then said he'd be back in 15-16 hours after the deadline while also seeing the votes on oats and not voting oats.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 20:00 GMT
#2907
If ch was town then oats/x/y just switches to me and the game would be actually over. Ergo.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 20:02 GMT
#2908
On April 18 2018 17:25 currentlyhomeless wrote:
alright i have to go now and wont be back for another 14-15 hours

so vivax & oats & rayn

whichever two of you is town please vote hf.

if any of us is voting wrong scum will just switch at deadline and we lose the game


This is worded like the game is obviously going to continue.

The votes were also already unanimously on oats.

Afks.
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 21:21 GMT
#2909
Vivax you better work with me
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 21:24 GMT
#2910
hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night)


Also wtf was this bull shit rayn? At least make up convincing lies. This literally never happened.

I don't even know why you kept me alive so long. To fight with vivax or what?
Holyflare
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April 18 2018 22:25 GMT
#2911
Hello?
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 06:38 GMT
#2922
On April 19 2018 08:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
If ch was town then oats/x/y just switches to me and the game would be actually over. Ergo.


and if I am town but you are scum this is not the case because oats already reached 3 votes.

nice lie of omission


It's not a lie of omission if I'm town dimwit
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 06:40 GMT
#2923
On April 19 2018 13:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On April 19 2018 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night)


Also wtf was this bull shit rayn? At least make up convincing lies. This literally never happened.

mhm... So what is this then?
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On April 11 2018 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
On April 11 2018 20:53 ExO_ wrote:
This whole ES nonsense is really hard to understand. I believe he’s town, one of my first games in TL mafia I fucked up on mechanics...I can believe a town ES thinks he could pass a gun off to be used that night (even though its completely wrong). However knowing there was only one KP without knowing GB is dead is really wtf. Still the question I have to ask myself here is:
Why would a scum ES not know that GB was dead, or rather make a post not claiming to not realize GB is dead? I can’t think of a good reason.

I think its much more likely ES is town playing really poorly, than scum faking it somehow.

Also wtf is Vivax in the thread during that whole conversation going “Hey HolyFlare though, he’s scum”. I don’t like it. I’ve liked Vivax a lot less day 2


"guys I didn't know gb was dead so I'm definitely town" is a perfect reason to "not know" because you pretend to dumb tell.

Really hate this post. You town read es but then give a legitimate reason to disregard that read (knowing there is 1kp but not on who) and then disprove yourself.

I think I hate it so much that you're very likely mafia.

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On April 12 2018 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
On April 12 2018 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.

Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia

Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point


That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?


I didn't see you really pushing this point. Your biggest wall of text was talking about her inconsistencies and talking about the gun and then I saw vivax come in and say "You're right rayn, how did I forget that." Think you wrote about 1 line on the GB/night kill part and if Homeless pushed it then Vivax certainly didn't give him any credit for it.

It's a correct point to push and it's why Exo looks really really really bad for not pushing it tbh and she should well be the lynch but I still think Vivax is being opportune.

I realise I'm pretty tunneled at this point though so I'll stop hammering on about it for now.

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On April 12 2018 05:44 Holyflare wrote:
You know if es flips town we're lynching you next exo?

+ Show Spoiler +
and also if she flips mafia

Sounds like a pretty hard scumread to me.
But maybe you just use words differently than i do.


Re-read your quote again. You say DURING THE SKYNX LYNCH DAY.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 06:46 GMT
#2924
I'm not mafia, rayn still ignored ch points, ch says he's gonna afk now after we just lynched mafia. Read between the lines people.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 06:47 GMT
#2925
So why exactly are people scum reading calix then? Still don't get it.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 06:48 GMT
#2926
Vivax you of all people need to stop being completely trash. You've just put hf/calix as your scum team which is the opposite of the actual scum team and haven't even talked about calix?
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:27 GMT
#2928
Why does a hf/calix scum team kill gb n1???????????
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:29 GMT
#2929
On April 10 2018 14:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, I was GlowingBeer, just so this is settled.

I'm lynching Skynx or rayn tomorrow. No one else.

Actually I could lynch homelessif these lynches can't get traction.

rayn, your play until here makes no sense to me. You start by inquiring homeless, drops the push over nothing, votes eversince for flimsy reasons, says exo is scum but don't really try to convince people he is mafia. Such a weak gameplay for someone who has such a strong personality while playing mafia.


Prophet gb had it all figured out.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:30 GMT
#2930
Look at the first fucking sentence of the big paragraph. It's so correct.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:39 GMT
#2934
On April 19 2018 16:37 Vivax wrote:
Cause Hopeless was killed for his reads? You funny


Hopeless was killed because it keeps the game static and everyone looking in the wrong places??

Tell me why you think hopeless was killed if calix was still scum read by everyone else and you have nonstop scum read me since day 1 and I said you were town that night?
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:47 GMT
#2939
On April 19 2018 16:42 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 19 2018 16:27 Holyflare wrote:
Why does a hf/calix scum team kill gb n1???????????


why would anyone kill gb n1?

completely wifom. for example let me do the exact same thing you just did

if i were scum why would I kill GB? he was my top fucking scumread going into d2 before he died. i called him scum and could get him lynched. why would i implicate myself by killing him?

ffs he had a post where he named 7 people in the game as being the d1 lynch. then he also said you and rayn were scummy and should be lynched too, except not d1.

but yea keep trying to convince us all that what i say is auto scum but what you say somehow makes sense


His last post named 2/3 mafia. I was going to get protection as the towniest in the game. You can't kill rayn because he's your partner. Vivax and calix were scum reads of the whole thread. Everyone else easy mislynch.

Who else would you kill?
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:54 GMT
#2942
Vivax will never ever die in this game. I promise you that.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:55 GMT
#2944
On April 19 2018 16:54 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 16:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 19 2018 16:42 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 19 2018 16:27 Holyflare wrote:
Why does a hf/calix scum team kill gb n1???????????


why would anyone kill gb n1?

completely wifom. for example let me do the exact same thing you just did

if i were scum why would I kill GB? he was my top fucking scumread going into d2 before he died. i called him scum and could get him lynched. why would i implicate myself by killing him?

ffs he had a post where he named 7 people in the game as being the d1 lynch. then he also said you and rayn were scummy and should be lynched too, except not d1.

but yea keep trying to convince us all that what i say is auto scum but what you say somehow makes sense


His last post named 2/3 mafia. I was going to get protection as the towniest in the game. You can't kill rayn because he's your partner. Vivax and calix were scum reads of the whole thread. Everyone else easy mislynch.

Who else would you kill?


oh please you werent town read n1. both me and vivax are town and we both read you as scum d1/n1 but we were the only ones. killing either of us would have brought so much attention to you. any townie with half an ego would be like omg we caught scum hf. hell, that even happened this game (remember skynx?? “i’m proud we caught scumflare” or whatwver)

if i were scum i would 100% try to kill you or rayn n1 even at the risk of you being protted because i am not good enough at scum to get someone like you or rayn lynched. however for you in this situation you couldnt nk rayn because that would implicate you on balance. you couldnt nk me or vivax because we thought you were scum.


I was BY FAR the most town read in this game hahahahahahahaha
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:57 GMT
#2946
Why the fuck would es not claim she still had her gun? All valid questions.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 07:59 GMT
#2947
On April 19 2018 16:42 currentlyhomeless wrote:
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On April 19 2018 16:35 Calix wrote:
More importantly, Vivax, if you think Calix/HF is a thing, that means you’re claiming to have found 2 mafia by Night 1.

So I will ask you one thing.

Why are you still alive?

Because right now you’re claiming we leave around a guy who scumreads 2 mafia and decide to shoot GB instead on N1. Who was never going to vote for mafia the next day in a HF/Calix world since he would only vote for Rayn, Skynx and maybe CH. (which includes 2/3 mafia in Rayn/CH world)

And not only this, but we decide to leave you around until N4 at least. But you still haven’t considered that MAYBE nobody wants you dead because your reads are well off.


and again let me do the same thing

why is HF still alive?

rofl


In your world I wasn't town read by many, I've been wrong all game etc etc. So why ask this question about me and not rayn who you are saying was somehow the most towniest because of some es gun crap.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 08:44 GMT
#2959
On April 19 2018 17:10 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 16:54 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax will never ever die in this game. I promise you that.


Thanks I guess?

Luckily for you TS is on your side


Mate. That's why they're going to kill him despite him not really doing anything and not you.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 09:00 GMT
#2962
I mean I'm still just not mafia. If you're saying you're not mafia then you should reevaluate.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 09:49 GMT
#2974
On April 19 2018 18:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 18:00 Holyflare wrote:
I mean I'm still just not mafia. If you're saying you're not mafia then you should reevaluate.


Then you should have pushed for a rayn lynch instead of a skynx lynch.

By lynching Skynx you made sure that one confirmed mafia can stay hidden within the pool of two.

And you're not selling me stories of framers and millers after a GF flip


I thought a miller wouldn't have been bad balance if it was rolecop/rber/goon
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 09:52 GMT
#2975
On April 19 2018 18:15 Vivax wrote:
Why would he ever shoot anyone besides TS, then he would have to follow a rayn + anyone not calix scenario.

Then again TS looks like a vote in his favour.

Must be a pretty shitty dilemma for mafia right now so I guess not shooting is the best choice here.

If he shoots me you have to be mafia with rayn, if he shoots you I have to be mafia with rayn. If he shoots TS he gets lynched by me, rayn and you.


That's the opposite conclusion lol. If I shoot you then I am likely mafia because tube would vote with me.

Hence why I said you're never in a million years dying because of your shitty hf is mafia all game stance.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 09:56 GMT
#2976
Why are you guys even calling calix mafia???? What has she done that's so scummy that you're no regrets committed to it. Ever since she's been up for lynch she's produced content.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 10:35 GMT
#2980
Just you and vivax? Rayn has also said it.

I've also not "just backed off". I've reevaluated, looked at new information and made a new decision. Night 1,absolutely calix is mafia. Day 2 probably not since she was a counter wagon to obvious mafia es. Night 2/day 3 absolutely mafia. Then she produced content, actually tried and dug and found good points. I changed my read and agreed with her pushing skynx, so did the majority of the game.

It's called evaluation.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 10:39 GMT
#2985
You're also not confirmed scum at all. I'm open to absolutely any of you being mafia with a preference of you and rayn. Rayn just sits back and posts nonsense that I'm mafia because of arbitrary reasons he doesn't even believe.

He prefaces his reads with "I don't think you're mafia" but then lists reasons that aren't true.

I think you're mafia because as soon as it hit lylo you've tried your best to twist logic, throw things back at people and do things that are anti town. The game is quite simple, you have a discussion with someone, look at their filter and what they've been pushing and make a decision. You seem to pick someone posting twist it and call them mafia. It's bad play but also scummy.

I also don't want to be a dick and wave this breadcrumb thing in people's faces because it's borderline unfair but nobody with a straight face can see that and call me mafia. Ever.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 10:40 GMT
#2986
On April 19 2018 19:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Just you and vivax? Rayn has also said it.

I've also not "just backed off". I've reevaluated, looked at new information and made a new decision. Night 1,absolutely calix is mafia. Day 2 probably not since she was a counter wagon to obvious mafia es. Night 2/day 3 absolutely mafia. Then she produced content, actually tried and dug and found good points. I changed my read and agreed with her pushing skynx, so did the majority of the game.

It's called evaluation.


uhuh

whatever you say bro

apparently to scumflare all you need to do is post walls of text and you become town

like really every time calix posts my eyes glass over


Is this what my post said? I really don't think so.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 10:59 GMT
#2992
There are many variables of why you are not confirmed scum. Since the mafia team consisted of oats then because he is in asia he would have also been asleep and not been able to move his votes. Similarly if rayn was mafia he was busy at work. Not always possible to coordinate a team to lynch a wagon at deadline.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:01 GMT
#2994
On April 19 2018 19:45 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2018 19:40 Holyflare wrote:
On April 19 2018 19:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 19 2018 19:35 Holyflare wrote:
Just you and vivax? Rayn has also said it.

I've also not "just backed off". I've reevaluated, looked at new information and made a new decision. Night 1,absolutely calix is mafia. Day 2 probably not since she was a counter wagon to obvious mafia es. Night 2/day 3 absolutely mafia. Then she produced content, actually tried and dug and found good points. I changed my read and agreed with her pushing skynx, so did the majority of the game.

It's called evaluation.


uhuh

whatever you say bro

apparently to scumflare all you need to do is post walls of text and you become town

like really every time calix posts my eyes glass over


Is this what my post said? I really don't think so.


“produced content”

“posted walls of text”

what is really the difference here


Because content in the face of impending lynch when all odds are against her on a team of oats/her/x is hard to do and she already had seemed to give up. It looked towny to me.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:02 GMT
#2995
The only reason I'd hold a shot is to throw wifom on tube being mafia which is exactly what you have been trying to set up the whole day with shade throwing.

I just think he's the veteran.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 19 2018 11:03 GMT
#2996
This game is fucking shit. Why do I even play with vivax if he's like this? Two mafia basically outed themselves and have kept him alive literally all game to continually shit up the thread with me and he just sits back and calls two townies mafia repeatedly with no rhyme or reason. It's ridiculous.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:04 GMT
#2998
Even if we lynched rayn tomorrow and he flipped mafia and there's a green check on me I absolutely know that he would find some bull shit to still call me mafia.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:23 GMT
#3003
I wouldn't say 100%. Nobody is. His claim timing pretty legitimate though.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:34 GMT
#3004
I have a damning theory that is basically a scum slip from ch but I'll let it play out.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 11:43 GMT
#3006
Yeah pretty much but I have a new theory too.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 14:39 GMT
#3008
Uh huh
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 19:35 GMT
#3010
Ah
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 19:37 GMT
#3011
My theory was they didn't have a rber and they were repeatedly throwing shade at ts because of it. Also why they kept saying mafia could no shoot when apparently they can't
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 19:46 GMT
#3013
I am grateful to my mafia overlords
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 20:34 GMT
#3014
calix you maf?
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 20:35 GMT
#3015
It's finally one mafia kill I agree with at least.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 20:58 GMT
#3017
On April 20 2018 05:51 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
It's finally one mafia kill I agree with at least.


Why?

Also I don't quite follow your Roleblocker argument. Why would mafia not having a Roleblocker mean they propagate the 'no kill' idea in the thread?


because he was a twat :D

Also I dunno, it was just something I was thinking about. If I'm mafia CH and I'm thinking we have no roleblocker against a claimed veteran then what do I do to throw shit at a town HF when I know the nk will be a no kill being blocked by tube? I'll say "Oh, HF is gonna not kill anyone to further his agenda!"

Just seemed a bit opportune to me.
Holyflare
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April 19 2018 21:01 GMT
#3018
the tubesock tinfoil is at an all time high though which I guess was their agenda
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:04 GMT
#3029
On April 20 2018 08:53 Tubesock wrote:
I think the V kill was for wifom. I showed I’m waffley so I guess it’s a shot in the dark that I could change my mind to lynch HF. Vivax pretty much flat out said he would before he died.

I’m going with GlowingBear the Prophet, the hero we need but don’t deserve.

##raynpelikoneet.


If you are waffly and could change your mind and vivax was sent on losing us the game then why weren't you shot over him?
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:05 GMT
#3030
Set*
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:08 GMT
#3031
I really hope you're not town ch because your lylo play has been opportune awfulness.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:28 GMT
#3034
On April 20 2018 16:22 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 16:04 Holyflare wrote:
On April 20 2018 08:53 Tubesock wrote:
I think the V kill was for wifom. I showed I’m waffley so I guess it’s a shot in the dark that I could change my mind to lynch HF. Vivax pretty much flat out said he would before he died.

I’m going with GlowingBear the Prophet, the hero we need but don’t deserve.

##raynpelikoneet.


If you are waffly and could change your mind and vivax was sent on losing us the game then why weren't you shot over him?


Probably this:

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 06:01 Holyflare wrote:
the tubesock tinfoil is at an all time high though which I guess was their agenda


They can shoot me and just not rb me, would be the same as a no shoot.


Yes but surely they just get vivax on me instead? He's not changed his mind the entire game.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:28 GMT
#3035
And what's their goal? That I tinfoil you and we don't ever lynch you because everyone has a locked in scum team?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 20 2018 07:35 GMT
#3037
Let's say we kill rayn today. I become confirmed town and get shot tomorrow. It's you/calix/ch in the final lylo and you both would kill ch. Why not just kill you tonight and auto win today?
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:36 GMT
#3038
Rayn knows vivax would never in a million years change his mind too
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:37 GMT
#3040
Doesn't seem like he'd change anything lol
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:38 GMT
#3041
I'll have a reread later.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 07:50 GMT
#3044
No idea? To me it just looks like him keeping the same reads.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 08:33 GMT
#3056
On April 20 2018 17:00 currentlyhomeless wrote:
this interaction is making me flake on calix. like HF is either bussing tube here or just throwing shade around so that he can later come up with some excuse to keep his original “read” and park his vote on rayn. next level scumplay

hf why havent you voted rayn yet?


I am.

Also this is retarded because I still think rayn is mafia and when he flips mafia then I'm confirmed town so there's no shade to be thrown. Just info gathering.

You can't spin this into your bs narrative because I'm playing for the game to continue after rayn dies.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 10:15 GMT
#3062
On April 20 2018 18:54 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 18:44 currentlyhomeless wrote:
tube said he is in asia or 1 time zone ahead of me or smth

hf said oats was in asia too

one is tinfoil
one is occam’s razor

occam’s razor: hf scumslipped cause afaik oats is american

tinfoil: tube & rayn are scum so the reason they didnt swap to hf is because tube cant be around for deadline



Oats used to live in Singapore, I think.


He doesn't still?
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 10:27 GMT
#3064
Why didn't you claim to get tubesock lynched on skynx day?

Why have you REPEATEDLY said the team is me and calix when tubesock is confirmed mafia to you?

Jesus that claim.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 10:32 GMT
#3065
Rayn is still always the lynch here. Whether you are claiming to save him and win or not doesn't negate the check. I don't think Calix is mafia at all either so she has to choose between one of you.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 11:29 GMT
#3088
On April 20 2018 19:38 Tubesock wrote:
You jailed Vivax last night?

Uuuhhhhhmmmmmm


Hahahahahaa didn't even realise that

Hahahahahahahahaha
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 11:30 GMT
#3090
On April 20 2018 19:49 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 19:27 Holyflare wrote:
Why didn't you claim to get tubesock lynched on skynx day?

Why have you REPEATEDLY said the team is me and calix when tubesock is confirmed mafia to you?

Jesus that claim.


btw you need a good explanation for this post hf


Why do I need to explain this? You think there's 4 blues in a 13 player game????
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 11:31 GMT
#3091
On April 20 2018 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 19:49 currentlyhomeless wrote:
On April 20 2018 19:27 Holyflare wrote:
Why didn't you claim to get tubesock lynched on skynx day?

Why have you REPEATEDLY said the team is me and calix when tubesock is confirmed mafia to you?

Jesus that claim.


btw you need a good explanation for this post hf


Why do I need to explain this? You think there's 4 blues in a 13 player game????


And TWO protection roles to boot.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 11:44 GMT
#3094
I don't believe almost half the game is a role. Simple as that I'm afraid.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 11:45 GMT
#3095
Sorry, I just don't believe you.
Holyflare
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April 20 2018 12:09 GMT
#3099
It's not bizarre because it's 2 protection roles. It's also not bizarre because I was thinking retroactively with the information I know now instead of at the time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 12:10 GMT
#3100
You can't talk to me about throwing the game either. You've been saying everything myself and calix have been saying is specifically mafia orientated when it's likely just not.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 20 2018 12:25 GMT
#3102
And how does mafia know your role to rb you if they think tube is a blue veteran in the world you're saying 4 blues exist?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 20 2018 12:37 GMT
#3109
On April 20 2018 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote Holyflare

As i said i don't really have anything to add and it's up to you to decide Tubesock. I could write all kinds of shiny post like HF is doing but it won't change anything. All the information is in the thread already. If you have some questions i will have time this evening or tomorrow in the morning.


Look at this guy that doesn't give a shit about reading the thread with his pre-determined statements.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 12:39 GMT
#3110
On April 20 2018 21:27 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 21:25 Holyflare wrote:
And how does mafia know your role to rb you if they think tube is a blue veteran in the world you're saying 4 blues exist?


mafia knows I’m not lying because vivax died and I just claimed.

tube obviously is not town vet here anymore which is why 1. he didn’t die and 2. why Vivax died. They RBed me


Why did you claim though? It's not to throw shade on anyone, you claiming doesn't change my alignment?

In fact if you got rbd last night and tube was also blue like you spent the day talking about there'd be 0% chance I'm mafia because you would have been role copped and I wouldn't be pushing someone that would claim jk. Calix too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 14:46 GMT
#3121
Rayn I don't think you're miller because you've pushed so much false crap my way and never given up until now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 14:46 GMT
#3122
Given up pushing me that is. So it's unfortunate if you are miller but I don't think you are.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 15:05 GMT
#3124
I checked. It doesn't say you can't.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 15:27 GMT
#3127
Why aren't you voting calix?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 15:27 GMT
#3128
At this point I'm basically as good as confirmed town even
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 18:07 GMT
#3129
Good chat guys.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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April 20 2018 18:08 GMT
#3130
What kind of dumb shit strategy was it to leave me alive rayn? You could have had a myriad of afk people to win against at this point and you left me alive? I'm never gonna stop talking through points and reevaluating.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 20 2018 19:42 GMT
#3133
But you just said we lose if we lynch you lol?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 10:01 GMT
#3166
On April 21 2018 10:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
fucking miller.
bleh hf.


That's on you buddy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 10:07 GMT
#3168
What I still don't understand is why you keep going on about 4 blues being acceptable ch but then scum reading tubesock?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 10:11 GMT
#3169
I'm not even sure how you stopped scum reading me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 15:50 GMT
#3173
why did you do nothing d1 bugs?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 19:08 GMT
#3180
why did you "switch to rayn" when he said he had a gun btw?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 19:54 GMT
#3185
On April 22 2018 04:38 Calix wrote:
Actually, wait. I just realised that tonight is 100% a no-kill.

Think about it. Bugs is claiming Jailkeeper. If he's town, he knows Tubesock is mafia. He just roleblocks Tubesock to block the kill.

If Tubesock is town then Bugs just shoots Tubesock once and claims that he roleblocked Tubesock.

So looks like it'll be a 3v1.



why do you think he is "jk" lol?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 20:20 GMT
#3188
On April 22 2018 04:57 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2018 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
On April 22 2018 04:38 Calix wrote:
Actually, wait. I just realised that tonight is 100% a no-kill.

Think about it. Bugs is claiming Jailkeeper. If he's town, he knows Tubesock is mafia. He just roleblocks Tubesock to block the kill.

If Tubesock is town then Bugs just shoots Tubesock once and claims that he roleblocked Tubesock.

So looks like it'll be a 3v1.



why do you think he is "jk" lol?


I don't. I'm saying he has to enforce a no-kill regardless of his alignment.


No, my point is of all the roles bugs could have claimed he picked the one that would survive the night and enforce this scenario. Why do you think he only claimed when rayn was confirmed the kill? That's their rber so tube can't die so it was the only claim he could do.

Bugs should heal me so that calix is forced to die. It changes nothing, clears up calix's alignment and doesn't allow tube to fake claim soaking a bullet if he's mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 21:41 GMT
#3190
Soz bugs it was a good claim but nothing will change my mind from lynching you. If you claimed like a day earlier before your tyrade on calix/myself I would have actually believed you but not now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 21 2018 21:42 GMT
#3191
Also your oats slip was bad lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 00:15 GMT
#3197
I don't think there's anything you could say to change my mind, sorry.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 00:54 GMT
#3199
Just keep me healed
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 01:24 GMT
#3200
Protecting anyone other than me is a mafia claim IMO. Don't try and wifom the mafia, just save me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 04:17 GMT
#3203
On April 22 2018 12:40 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2018 10:24 Holyflare wrote:
Protecting anyone other than me is a mafia claim IMO. Don't try and wifom the mafia, just save me.


it actually literally doesn’t matter who I pick, whatever the alignments of you 3 are. Everything is and isn’t wifom at the same time lol


It absolutely mattets. Calix is not confirmed town at all. Mafia cannot hold their shot. If you "rb" tube there's no kill and he claims his vest is used up regardless of if he's mafia or not. If you're mafia you shoot him and it's legit. If he's mafia you rb him and he fakes it. It becomes a he said she said scenario and we pick one (you). We gained no information.

Alternatively you heal me, confirmed town. If I die then you are fucked. If calix dies we eliminate a non confirmed player. No gamble between truths. Potential confirmation of you. I'm still confirmed going into lylo.

You must protect me. There is no alternative. Anything other than me is a scum claim. Saving someone or stopping the shot gives NO information so you must let it happen and save the confirmed towny.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 09:14 GMT
#3206
Yeah I am confirmed town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:26 GMT
#3207
And I don't care if nothing happens. That is good. If nothing happens and you are healing me no matter what that confirms that either you are jk or tube is veteran. This eliminates calix completely from the poe if nothing happens. You can say she'd shoot me and nothing happens if she was mafia but that's good since tube can tell if his vest has been used if he is town. If he is mafia and shoots me and says his vest has been used then that's more of a starting point than we currently have. It's all more information than one person dying and learning nothing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:31 GMT
#3208
There's a lot of variables so don't get cute. Just heal me what could go wrong?

Not like there's 5 blues or anything :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:34 GMT
#3209
Btw I just want to point out to any third parties watching. This game will end tonight
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:35 GMT
#3210
Oh
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:36 GMT
#3211
Hahahahahahahahaha bugs you fucked up so bad
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:39 GMT
#3212
Gg, lynch bugs tomorrow, easy game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:44 GMT
#3214
Jailer cannot target the same player on consecutive nights
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:49 GMT
#3216
Says it right in the op. Gg.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:51 GMT
#3217
Lol no where on earth was that established? Just look in op, easy to see right? He fucked up.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:54 GMT
#3219
Definitely vivax saying I'm honorary mafia or something
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 11:55 GMT
#3220
End game plz and thank you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 15:33 GMT
#3222
literally in the op lol
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 19:09 GMT
#3225
why'd you do this ff
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 19:10 GMT
#3226
bm modding it was supposed to be a trap
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 22 2018 19:50 GMT
#3229
Did you heal me?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 23 2018 12:06 GMT
#3234
Not gonna change my mind, soz ch. Just gotta wait two days now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 23 2018 16:53 GMT
#3236
Lol if you fake claimed before tube I would have believed you is the sad thing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 06:56 GMT
#3242
On April 24 2018 08:08 currentlyhomeless wrote:
btw in what situation would I claim before tube?

even after tube claims, the only remote possibility of me claiming is if I actually believed that role balance made one of exo or tube scum.

and even if I did do that, from everyone else’s perspective that would mean there is minimum one scum among 5 people: me, exo, tube, you, rayn. 1 scum to 5 town is a worse ratio than the actual random lynch odds. Even if two scum are in that pile, which I had no reason to believe, it would be 2 to 5 which is much better but still doesn’t guarantee a scum lynch i.e. there’s one or two scum between me & exo & tube and one or zero between you & HF if there are 2 among 5.

I don’t see why I would ever claim there. Just because others claimed is a pretty awful reason given how terrible the other 3 claim timings were.


If you claimed on the day of the blues, like you should have done, there'd be mafia between me and rayn and one of the blues.

I don't think I'd ever believe someone that typed a whole wall of text on balance could believe that we'd have a vet that can stop kp, a jk that can save someone or block kp (jk is pretty broken) and a gunsmith that can give kp. That's potential on the end of n2 to have stopped two bullets and killed a mafia. Straight up broken. Yet you believed 4 blues was balanced in this instance.

Furthermore, you only claimed when rayn was surely up for lynch and I noticed you start throwing shade on tube well before this. This suggested two things:

1. Rayn was a role that stopped you from killing tube.
2. You had to claim because tube and I would never lynch calix and we were guaranteed to lynch you.

Your posts throughout that cycle were completely opportune. You neglected to ever look into rayn's hypocrisy and repeatedly tried to use it against calix and myself. Your 180 on me didn't make sense in the slightest since all I said was "you could be town" but never actually did any kind of commitment whereas you'd been sold on rayn being town throughout the game.

I don't believe your jk targets either. Sure, you thought vivax was towny n1 but you were just about the only person who did think that. The other person thinking that was rayn, who was mafia. So to protect vivax n1 was straight up dumb.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 07:52 GMT
#3243
Especially if you thought I was mafia then I'm hard pushing vivax and he would never ever be shot.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 08:20 GMT
#3246
What trap?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 08:22 GMT
#3248
On April 24 2018 17:12 currentlyhomeless wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote:
On April 24 2018 08:08 currentlyhomeless wrote:
btw in what situation would I claim before tube?

even after tube claims, the only remote possibility of me claiming is if I actually believed that role balance made one of exo or tube scum.

and even if I did do that, from everyone else’s perspective that would mean there is minimum one scum among 5 people: me, exo, tube, you, rayn. 1 scum to 5 town is a worse ratio than the actual random lynch odds. Even if two scum are in that pile, which I had no reason to believe, it would be 2 to 5 which is much better but still doesn’t guarantee a scum lynch i.e. there’s one or two scum between me & exo & tube and one or zero between you & HF if there are 2 among 5.

I don’t see why I would ever claim there. Just because others claimed is a pretty awful reason given how terrible the other 3 claim timings were.


If you claimed on the day of the blues, like you should have done, there'd be mafia between me and rayn and one of the blues.

I don't think I'd ever believe someone that typed a whole wall of text on balance could believe that we'd have a vet that can stop kp, a jk that can save someone or block kp (jk is pretty broken) and a gunsmith that can give kp. That's potential on the end of n2 to have stopped two bullets and killed a mafia. Straight up broken. Yet you believed 4 blues was balanced in this instance.

Furthermore, you only claimed when rayn was surely up for lynch and I noticed you start throwing shade on tube well before this. This suggested two things:

1. Rayn was a role that stopped you from killing tube.
2. You had to claim because tube and I would never lynch calix and we were guaranteed to lynch you.

Your posts throughout that cycle were completely opportune. You neglected to ever look into rayn's hypocrisy and repeatedly tried to use it against calix and myself. Your 180 on me didn't make sense in the slightest since all I said was "you could be town" but never actually did any kind of commitment whereas you'd been sold on rayn being town throughout the game.

I don't believe your jk targets either. Sure, you thought vivax was towny n1 but you were just about the only person who did think that. The other person thinking that was rayn, who was mafia. So to protect vivax n1 was straight up dumb.


I talked about balance when there were more blues than that in the suggested setups. I guess you didn’t actually read the thread when I was responding to it at that time or you’d know that.

Anyway none of the rest actually matters cause that’s what you see after you’ve already assumed I’m mafia.

Lastly the Vivax thing is pretty hilarious to say when apparently you as scum would not kill someone you are hard pushing yet the same doesn’t apply to me for some reason? Why would I kill GB n1, who I was hard pushing?


This isn't the argument I'm putting forth though is it? My argument is that why would you protect somebody that nobody was town reading and your scum read was scum reading. Your argument seems to be why would you kill gb if you were mafia. Not the same at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 08:23 GMT
#3250
[QUOTE]On April 24 2018 17:22 currentlyhomeless wrote:
btw.

did you actually read my balance posts?

[quote]
Then SK + Jailor + cop + veteran would probably be balanced because there is sufficient anti-KP/faction balance and there are no breaking claim strategies.


replace SK with gunsmith and see what happens?[/QUOTE]

Replace a third party that arbitrarily kills anyone with a town gunsmith claimable role that gives town kp? Not really. [/b]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 08:24 GMT
#3252
You're gonna have to prove to me why tube is mafia I'm afraid.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 10:27 GMT
#3256
It was clearly a joke?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 11:41 GMT
#3258
Tube why shouldn't I vote you? Everything in your filter is surrounding rayn. A classic mafia subconscious trait.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 17:40 GMT
#3259
##vote tubesock

i figured it out
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 18:59 GMT
#3261
oh forgot vote thread

fixed
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 19:49 GMT
#3266
setup was good, I approve
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 20:18 GMT
#3267
what the fuck were those nks though?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 20:18 GMT
#3268
also bugs it's an honour to play with someone that puts so much effort into being mafia, bravo
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 24 2018 21:00 GMT
#3270
Would have made the goon a role cop personally but otherwise good balance imo
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 25 2018 11:37 GMT
#3282
Your night kills specifically made me reevaluate vivax and calix because it was obvious status quo maintaining kills. Leaving vivax alive would have definitely won you the game without a doubt.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 25 2018 17:51 GMT
#3286
Also the correct play for half of the game was never to lynch into the red check. No idea what you guys were talking about in obs. Not only was exo massively scum read the night before and claimed on two people that didn't particularly look scummy but even then there was a higher % chance to find mafia within the remaining group of people for people that weren't myself/rayn or exo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 25 2018 17:52 GMT
#3287
Especially when lynching the wrong check and then there being the possibility of framer and miller could straight up auto lose you the game because you favour mechanical play rather than reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 25 2018 18:30 GMT
#3289
If you're baddies at the game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 26 2018 06:42 GMT
#3294
On April 26 2018 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2018 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Also the correct play for half of the game was never to lynch into the red check. No idea what you guys were talking about in obs. Not only was exo massively scum read the night before and claimed on two people that didn't particularly look scummy but even then there was a higher % chance to find mafia within the remaining group of people for people that weren't myself/rayn or exo.


Both you and rayn were looking very scummy. Especialy rayn, I had no doubt he was Mafia after N1.
You know that scum usually fake claim a role if they are in extreme pressure, like when about to be lynched. If both of you flipped town then all people had to do was to lynch Exo. I'd take the risk anytime.

And if you don't believe his claim, you lynch him, he flips parity cop, then you proceed to lynch one of the parity checks.

This was what lost the game when I was detective and had a red check on you, and confrimed MiG was mafia with you. I'll never forget that.


If both of us flipped town the game was over lol.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 26 2018 06:49 GMT
#3295
On April 26 2018 15:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2018 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On April 26 2018 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
Also the correct play for half of the game was never to lynch into the red check. No idea what you guys were talking about in obs. Not only was exo massively scum read the night before and claimed on two people that didn't particularly look scummy but even then there was a higher % chance to find mafia within the remaining group of people for people that weren't myself/rayn or exo.


Both you and rayn were looking very scummy. Especialy rayn, I had no doubt he was Mafia after N1.
You know that scum usually fake claim a role if they are in extreme pressure, like when about to be lynched. If both of you flipped town then all people had to do was to lynch Exo. I'd take the risk anytime.

And if you don't believe his claim, you lynch him, he flips parity cop, then you proceed to lynch one of the parity checks.

This was what lost the game when I was detective and had a red check on you, and confrimed MiG was mafia with you. I'll never forget that.


If both of us flipped town the game was over lol.


Also, regardless, I could already tell if we lynched into the checks I would get lynched first. Which would have been terrible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 26 2018 09:47 GMT
#3302
Just nk the people that speak. It's always a game winning strategy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 26 2018 19:34 GMT
#3307
all vanilla all the time is the only way to play
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