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On April 14 2018 16:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 16:37 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 16:32 Vivax wrote:On April 14 2018 16:16 Holyflare wrote:On April 14 2018 16:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:
HF says he has no townreads in thread but is not pushing me or rayn or tube, says he believes the exo claim and gives a good reason for believing the exo claim which i actually thiught myself so the silent agreement is good
if these are not townreads then idk wtf they are Ah true true Wtf is this shit HF? All you have been doing about ExO today is doubting his claim. Or is this some kind of joke and if it is why aren't you trying to get this dude lynched over yourself after stating blatantly false facts. Is this game some kind of truman show where I'm the protagonist or are you both mafia? Perhaps read the discussion again. Your stuff on ExO is inconclusive. He isn't a townread you just say that parity cop is compatible with the setup which isn't even a reason to believe his claim especially since that claim is getting you lynched. CH turns it into a townread on ExO. You say that with a rayn townread and all three of staying alive it probably means rayn is mafia and CH turns it into you having a rayn townread. All of this cause otherwise it wouldn't have made any sense for him to make that read on you since your only visible townread besides those was me who is CHs primary scumread. So he's pretty much trying super hard to bend what you said to fit his version.
keep digging broski
how the fuck is no one else noticing this shit
vivax keeps proving again and again that he isnt reading at all. this is 100% scum play
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On April 14 2018 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
Also bit of theory on exo. Don't think he claims parity like that if I open the day as if I had a red check on rayn.
there is nothing inconclusive here
this was like 100% in line with what i thought about exo’s claim. no scum claims like that plus tube claimed when unneeded too.
feel free to misconstrue what i said thiugh cause i refuse to take hf’s “i dont have any townreads” bs at face value. actually as scum i dont think anyone would ever be bold enough to say such a thing but w/e maybe i’m just wrong since hf is acting weird now too so i’m fucking confused
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On April 14 2018 17:02 Vivax wrote:
Like if scum ExO ccs HF and HF gets lynched, scum won. Rayn gets lynched. Both cops still remain unresolved.
wait what
if a pc gets cced, and the pc gets lynched first why wouldnt the ccer die second
if exo is scum and hf is actually pc, and exo ccs hf, if hf gets lynched first and flips pc we just kill exo and hit scum
why the fuck would rayn die
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oh the scumlogic only applies cause rayn apparnetly has a gun in this made up scenario
this was already proven to be impossible like 10 pages ago so this is just a waste of space & distraction
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On April 14 2018 17:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 17:08 currentlyhomeless wrote:
oh the scumlogic only applies cause rayn apparnetly has a gun in this made up scenario
this was already proven to be impossible like 10 pages ago so this is just a waste of space & distraction What is this nonsense about proven to be impossible. ES filter doesn't tell us anything. In one post she talks about having given her gun to rayn and in another she talks about rayn being conf town cause she didn't manage to give her gun to him cause she took what he said at face value. Nowhere does it say she has some kind of inventory with a gun in it. Nobody has any damn clue about what actually happened that night except you it seems. Unless you wanna argue that hopeless was shot by that gun which is at best a decent guess cause I don't know why mafia would shoot hopeless here.
my boy tube gets it which makes him confirmed town
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On April 14 2018 17:48 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 13:04 ExO_ wrote:
You guys have got to be fucking kidding me. We have a check on Rayn and HF. One is scum. Yet everyone seems to have the opinion “they cant be scum because there’s got to be a miller or framer”
You’ve gotta be kidding me. Are your egos all this huge? That yours reads are so good that the check just has to be wrong in some super unlikely way or another?
Nobody has presented a compelling case for this in my opinion. And I dont believe for a second its in our interest to vote a 3rd candidate here.
Ill eat my words if there is a framer or miller, but we deserve to lose if we can’t get it together, look at Rayn, look at HF, and figure out which one is scum. what kind of compelling “case” do you expect if i think they are both town if i think they are both town one was framed or is a miller. end of story. yes the likelihood of that with nothing else happened in the game is lower but i dont need to make a case to say its more likely. just read the game, rayn has been trying hard especially recently to figure out the game with me and had very good posts. for example theres no way as scum that he would point out where credit is due when i found something on ever (unless he was scum trying to set me up to die? but i dont get this impression at all) hf is an asshole at times but a lot of the things he has said only make sense from town perspective. most of his townreads seem logical now even if it takes him a while to get there therefore both town, reads > unreliable blue checks i am more than 70% sure that they are both town and the check is nowhere near 70-80% certainty that one is scum because if there is a framer in this game literally the best targets are rayn and hf. if there is a framer in the game, like 90%+ certainty one of those 2 gets framed regardless of alignment. unless they are the framer themselves lol as for miller, let’s say there is one miller and what. 5 vts? 6 vts? 3 scum + miller + 3 blues = 7, 13 - 7 = 6 so miller & 6 VTs. 3 VTs already flipped so remaining non blues are 3 VTs and miller so if they are both town, chance that one of them is miller is 50% rofl lol currentlyclueless, where do you get your fucking odds? Framer+Miller Rayn is framed/miller, hf is green: 2/12*6/10=0.1 rayn is green, hf is f/m: 9/12*2/10=0.15 Even assuming framer+miller odds of correct redcheck is still 60% which means we should lynch one of rayn/hf Assuming there is a gf, both of them are mafia so still lynch one of rayn/hf
wow you mustve failed math, reading, or both
50% is the chance one of them is a miller given that both rayn and HF are town. in other words if they are both town, the check is a coinflip between returning “same” and “different”
who the fuck knows why you are dividing by 12 when there are only 9 people alive, or why your two fucking symmetric situations have different numbers
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On April 14 2018 18:01 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 17:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 17:48 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 13:04 ExO_ wrote:
You guys have got to be fucking kidding me. We have a check on Rayn and HF. One is scum. Yet everyone seems to have the opinion “they cant be scum because there’s got to be a miller or framer”
You’ve gotta be kidding me. Are your egos all this huge? That yours reads are so good that the check just has to be wrong in some super unlikely way or another?
Nobody has presented a compelling case for this in my opinion. And I dont believe for a second its in our interest to vote a 3rd candidate here.
Ill eat my words if there is a framer or miller, but we deserve to lose if we can’t get it together, look at Rayn, look at HF, and figure out which one is scum. what kind of compelling “case” do you expect if i think they are both town if i think they are both town one was framed or is a miller. end of story. yes the likelihood of that with nothing else happened in the game is lower but i dont need to make a case to say its more likely. just read the game, rayn has been trying hard especially recently to figure out the game with me and had very good posts. for example theres no way as scum that he would point out where credit is due when i found something on ever (unless he was scum trying to set me up to die? but i dont get this impression at all) hf is an asshole at times but a lot of the things he has said only make sense from town perspective. most of his townreads seem logical now even if it takes him a while to get there therefore both town, reads > unreliable blue checks i am more than 70% sure that they are both town and the check is nowhere near 70-80% certainty that one is scum because if there is a framer in this game literally the best targets are rayn and hf. if there is a framer in the game, like 90%+ certainty one of those 2 gets framed regardless of alignment. unless they are the framer themselves lol as for miller, let’s say there is one miller and what. 5 vts? 6 vts? 3 scum + miller + 3 blues = 7, 13 - 7 = 6 so miller & 6 VTs. 3 VTs already flipped so remaining non blues are 3 VTs and miller so if they are both town, chance that one of them is miller is 50% rofl lol currentlyclueless, where do you get your fucking odds? Framer+Miller Rayn is framed/miller, hf is green: 2/12*6/10=0.1 rayn is green, hf is f/m: 9/12*2/10=0.15 Even assuming framer+miller odds of correct redcheck is still 60% which means we should lynch one of rayn/hf Assuming there is a gf, both of them are mafia so still lynch one of rayn/hf wow you mustve failed math, reading, or both 50% is the chance one of them is a miller given that both rayn and HF are town. in other words if they are both town, the check is a coinflip between returning “same” and “different” who the fuck knows why you are dividing by 12 when there are only 9 people alive, or why your two fucking symmetric situations have different numbers I don't think even kush can get this high. First statement is complete bollocks. Bolded is just a fucking assumption and nothing more. There is a different check: so one of them is different alignment to the other with 5 mechanics assumed= 3 mafia, 1 frame, 1 miller = 40% chance of fake red. 9 ppl alive means jack shit, odds are taken when the checks take place. Pls go back to your corner near the dumpster.
holy shit you did fail math
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probability
there are 9 people left in the game. 3 people are scum. you’re telling me the probability RIGHT NOW that any one player is scum independently is 3/12??
why would you even divide by 12 there are fucking 13 players total
anyway the math is pretty fucking easy. there are 9 players. 2 are claimed blues. 3 are scum. that leaves 4 townies unaccounted for.
assuming there are no more blues, if there is a miller in the game then the chance that any one of those 4 is a miller is 25%
if you pick any pair and ask if there’s a miller in the pair it’s 4 choose 2 = 6 pairs. of those 6 pairs 3 have a miller in them
so even they are both town the check returns “different” 50% pf the time
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On April 14 2018 18:06 Skynx wrote:
I'll make that simpler for your soft brain.
WE HAVE UNCC'D DIFFERENT CHECK. ONE OF THEM IS RED. 60% CHANCE THAT RED IS REAL MAFIA = LYNCH.
you realize that the probability that one of them is scum and the probability that the check was true are two different things right
i have no idea what this 60% number youre talking about even means cause your math makes no sense.
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On April 14 2018 18:12 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 18:07 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:01 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 17:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 17:48 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 13:04 ExO_ wrote:
You guys have got to be fucking kidding me. We have a check on Rayn and HF. One is scum. Yet everyone seems to have the opinion “they cant be scum because there’s got to be a miller or framer”
You’ve gotta be kidding me. Are your egos all this huge? That yours reads are so good that the check just has to be wrong in some super unlikely way or another?
Nobody has presented a compelling case for this in my opinion. And I dont believe for a second its in our interest to vote a 3rd candidate here.
Ill eat my words if there is a framer or miller, but we deserve to lose if we can’t get it together, look at Rayn, look at HF, and figure out which one is scum. what kind of compelling “case” do you expect if i think they are both town if i think they are both town one was framed or is a miller. end of story. yes the likelihood of that with nothing else happened in the game is lower but i dont need to make a case to say its more likely. just read the game, rayn has been trying hard especially recently to figure out the game with me and had very good posts. for example theres no way as scum that he would point out where credit is due when i found something on ever (unless he was scum trying to set me up to die? but i dont get this impression at all) hf is an asshole at times but a lot of the things he has said only make sense from town perspective. most of his townreads seem logical now even if it takes him a while to get there therefore both town, reads > unreliable blue checks i am more than 70% sure that they are both town and the check is nowhere near 70-80% certainty that one is scum because if there is a framer in this game literally the best targets are rayn and hf. if there is a framer in the game, like 90%+ certainty one of those 2 gets framed regardless of alignment. unless they are the framer themselves lol as for miller, let’s say there is one miller and what. 5 vts? 6 vts? 3 scum + miller + 3 blues = 7, 13 - 7 = 6 so miller & 6 VTs. 3 VTs already flipped so remaining non blues are 3 VTs and miller so if they are both town, chance that one of them is miller is 50% rofl lol currentlyclueless, where do you get your fucking odds? Framer+Miller Rayn is framed/miller, hf is green: 2/12*6/10=0.1 rayn is green, hf is f/m: 9/12*2/10=0.15 Even assuming framer+miller odds of correct redcheck is still 60% which means we should lynch one of rayn/hf Assuming there is a gf, both of them are mafia so still lynch one of rayn/hf wow you mustve failed math, reading, or both 50% is the chance one of them is a miller given that both rayn and HF are town. in other words if they are both town, the check is a coinflip between returning “same” and “different” who the fuck knows why you are dividing by 12 when there are only 9 people alive, or why your two fucking symmetric situations have different numbers I don't think even kush can get this high. First statement is complete bollocks. Bolded is just a fucking assumption and nothing more. There is a different check: so one of them is different alignment to the other with 5 mechanics assumed= 3 mafia, 1 frame, 1 miller = 40% chance of fake red. 9 ppl alive means jack shit, odds are taken when the checks take place. Pls go back to your corner near the dumpster. holy shit you did fail math https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probabilitythere are 9 people left in the game. 3 people are scum. you’re telling me the probability RIGHT NOW that any one player is scum independently is 3/12?? why would you even divide by 12 there are fucking 13 players total anyway the math is pretty fucking easy. there are 9 players. 2 are claimed blues. 3 are scum. that leaves 4 townies unaccounted for. assuming there are no more blues, if there is a miller in the game then the chance that any one of those 4 is a miller is 25% if you pick any pair and ask if there’s a miller in the pair it’s 4 choose 2 = 6 pairs. of those 6 pairs 3 have a miller in them so even they are both town the check returns “different” 50% pf the time You're doubting the credibility of the checks. How many ppl are alive is entirely irrelevant. 12 ppl alive for 1st check, 10 for second.
holy fuckballs
we are talking about millers, a miller is a fucking role
if there is a miller, when someone flips NONMILLER the chance of everyone else being a miller goes up. not fucking rocket science. this is why the number of people alive mayters
if you have 4 townies and 1 miller, if you checked a townie n1 it was a 20% chance they were a miller
after 3 of the townies die and flip VT the chance is now 50% you checked a miller because 3 fucking VTs flipped. and obviously if the miller flips the chance is 0. the chance doesn’t magically stay 20% because that’s how many players were alive when you checked
jesus
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On April 14 2018 18:15 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 18:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:06 Skynx wrote:
I'll make that simpler for your soft brain.
WE HAVE UNCC'D DIFFERENT CHECK. ONE OF THEM IS RED. 60% CHANCE THAT RED IS REAL MAFIA = LYNCH. you realize that the probability that one of them is scum and the probability that the check was true are two different things right i have no idea what this 60% number youre talking about even means cause your math makes no sense. 60% is the credibility of the redcheck in worstcase scenario with a miller and framer. Exo had 1 red and 1 green. Green being fake is irrelevant cuz he'd be mafia too and we means we lynch him. red check happens only 5 times, 3 mafia and 2 alignment changing mechanics. 3/5 is the times red check is legit.
you don’t assign probabilities to framer cause the framer action is not a fucking role
mafia dont roll dice when they frame people
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On April 14 2018 18:23 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 18:18 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:12 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 18:07 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:01 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 17:55 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 17:48 Skynx wrote:On April 14 2018 15:09 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 13:04 ExO_ wrote:
You guys have got to be fucking kidding me. We have a check on Rayn and HF. One is scum. Yet everyone seems to have the opinion “they cant be scum because there’s got to be a miller or framer”
You’ve gotta be kidding me. Are your egos all this huge? That yours reads are so good that the check just has to be wrong in some super unlikely way or another?
Nobody has presented a compelling case for this in my opinion. And I dont believe for a second its in our interest to vote a 3rd candidate here.
Ill eat my words if there is a framer or miller, but we deserve to lose if we can’t get it together, look at Rayn, look at HF, and figure out which one is scum. what kind of compelling “case” do you expect if i think they are both town if i think they are both town one was framed or is a miller. end of story. yes the likelihood of that with nothing else happened in the game is lower but i dont need to make a case to say its more likely. just read the game, rayn has been trying hard especially recently to figure out the game with me and had very good posts. for example theres no way as scum that he would point out where credit is due when i found something on ever (unless he was scum trying to set me up to die? but i dont get this impression at all) hf is an asshole at times but a lot of the things he has said only make sense from town perspective. most of his townreads seem logical now even if it takes him a while to get there therefore both town, reads > unreliable blue checks i am more than 70% sure that they are both town and the check is nowhere near 70-80% certainty that one is scum because if there is a framer in this game literally the best targets are rayn and hf. if there is a framer in the game, like 90%+ certainty one of those 2 gets framed regardless of alignment. unless they are the framer themselves lol as for miller, let’s say there is one miller and what. 5 vts? 6 vts? 3 scum + miller + 3 blues = 7, 13 - 7 = 6 so miller & 6 VTs. 3 VTs already flipped so remaining non blues are 3 VTs and miller so if they are both town, chance that one of them is miller is 50% rofl lol currentlyclueless, where do you get your fucking odds? Framer+Miller Rayn is framed/miller, hf is green: 2/12*6/10=0.1 rayn is green, hf is f/m: 9/12*2/10=0.15 Even assuming framer+miller odds of correct redcheck is still 60% which means we should lynch one of rayn/hf Assuming there is a gf, both of them are mafia so still lynch one of rayn/hf wow you mustve failed math, reading, or both 50% is the chance one of them is a miller given that both rayn and HF are town. in other words if they are both town, the check is a coinflip between returning “same” and “different” who the fuck knows why you are dividing by 12 when there are only 9 people alive, or why your two fucking symmetric situations have different numbers I don't think even kush can get this high. First statement is complete bollocks. Bolded is just a fucking assumption and nothing more. There is a different check: so one of them is different alignment to the other with 5 mechanics assumed= 3 mafia, 1 frame, 1 miller = 40% chance of fake red. 9 ppl alive means jack shit, odds are taken when the checks take place. Pls go back to your corner near the dumpster. holy shit you did fail math https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_probabilitythere are 9 people left in the game. 3 people are scum. you’re telling me the probability RIGHT NOW that any one player is scum independently is 3/12?? why would you even divide by 12 there are fucking 13 players total anyway the math is pretty fucking easy. there are 9 players. 2 are claimed blues. 3 are scum. that leaves 4 townies unaccounted for. assuming there are no more blues, if there is a miller in the game then the chance that any one of those 4 is a miller is 25% if you pick any pair and ask if there’s a miller in the pair it’s 4 choose 2 = 6 pairs. of those 6 pairs 3 have a miller in them so even they are both town the check returns “different” 50% pf the time You're doubting the credibility of the checks. How many ppl are alive is entirely irrelevant. 12 ppl alive for 1st check, 10 for second. holy fuckballs we are talking about millers, a miller is a fucking role if there is a miller, when someone flips NONMILLER the chance of everyone else being a miller goes up. not fucking rocket science. this is why the number of people alive mayters if you have 4 townies and 1 miller, if you checked a townie n1 it was a 20% chance they were a miller after 3 of the townies die and flip VT the chance is now 50% you checked a miller because 3 fucking VTs flipped. and obviously if the miller flips the chance is 0. the chance doesn’t magically stay 20% because that’s how many players were alive when you checked jesus yeah i fucked up sry still 1/4 tho?
math tutoring time
you have 4 players
1 of them has your brains. and maybe your wallet too cause you dont have the brains to remember where it is
if you pick two players from the 4 at random and cavity search them. how likely is it you find your brains and get your wallet back
answer: 50%
+ Show Spoiler +
ABCD
A has your brains
options are
AB
AC
AD
BC
BD
CD
any pair with A in it gives you you brains back
3/6 = .5
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On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today
wtf
explain how the claim is untrustworthy
we’ll wait
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On April 14 2018 19:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 14 2018 18:38 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 18:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
this claim is completely untrustworthy and we dont actually need to lynch those 2 today wtf explain how the claim is untrustworthy we’ll wait exos shady af what more do you need to know? Also 3 blue roles is bad balance Then vote ExO wtf. If you think he's lying then he should be 100% mafia to you, lol. I also have no idea what people are smoking. Instead of trying to figure out what alignments HF and rayn (who are like RLY GUD AT SCUM) are, or whether ExO claim makes sense (hint: it does), half the thread's dismissing the checks because of implausible role WIFOM. If HF/ rayn/ ExO actually WERE all town, why would mafia NOT try and vote one of them off? They'd have the perfect excuse. It's almost like there actually is a mafia in those names and they are stalling super-hard right now. Which is why I'm somehow getting lynched despite there being an unresolved cop claim. We have already seen how detrimental Eversince's unresolved claim (with the WIFOM, the mistakes, the implausible scenarios, the gun fuckery WHICH IS STILL A THING) was so anyone who thinks that leaving the cop claim/ checks around is either retarded or mafia. No matter how you spin it, the odds that the checks are legit are considerably higher and no amount of prattle about "Millers" or "Framers" is going to change that.
tl;dr
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On April 14 2018 19:04 Calix wrote:
For people who are allergic to wall-posts, I'll make a tl;dr.
LEAVING CLAIMS UNRESOLVED = BAD.
USING ROLE WIFOM OVER ANALYSIS = ALSO BAD.
therefore scum is??
i actually dont get it. if people think one of hf and rayn is scum when they dont even seem to think the other is scum then what does resolving the claim even mean
analysis over role wifom is exactly why the check doesnt in the end mean anything useful.
if one of them were actually scum i would have expected the actual scum to bite the bait and vote the other one. hf voted rayn but that was before the claim iirc. though who knows maybe he is scum and realized that would look bad and backed off but that is such a more convoluted explnation than them both being town
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On April 14 2018 19:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
You're not even evaluating the cop checks properly at all. You think we should "resolve" it but that means lynching me or rayn and if you lynch me you auto rayn next cycle and if one of those roles do exist you just lose. I think one of you two should be the lynch as it stands, yes. Unless someone drops a case for scum!ExO. But if that results in a ML then you never ever auto next cycle since that would be LYLO.
so trust the check
but don’t trust the check
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like if you believe the check you lycnh both fucking players 100%.
you cant lynch one, flip a townie and go well fuck guess I was wrong about the check being right and not kill the second player because that is admitting you never believed the check in the first place
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yo tube I want your opinion
skynx
calix
oats
vivax
which one most likely to be scum?
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On April 14 2018 19:22 Vivax wrote:
/shitposting
hold my beer
scumteam is:
calix
skynx
vivax
x marks the spot
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On April 14 2018 19:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:24 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 14 2018 19:22 Vivax wrote:
/shitposting hold my beer scumteam is: calix skynx vivax x marks the spot Why vivax?
literally the only reason to read vivax as town is the shitty meta read which i havent bothered to see if thats even real. and even if town vivax posts more hes self aware so it doesnt matter. if anything, being self aware is worse cause he’s fully aware hes not contributing anything helpful by spamming
everything else is scummy
-never reads, keeps pushing scum-aligned shit with outdated thread knowledge. like the rayn gun business
-throws shade on ideas without actually even seeming to understand them, pretty blatantly misrepresneting me multiple times. for example constantly saying i am sying nonsense full of it etc but when you read his posts actually he brings up no points to counter what i am saying. him saying you only have one town read (on him) was also a lie or just misrepresntation of what was in the thread
-one thing stood out was when i called him out for not voting calix. he didnt answer the question instead turned it on me “why arent you voting calix??” and claimed my read in calix is nonexistent. first assumes my read on calix, second this conclusion makes no sense if i dont have a read on a player why would i vote them
then claimed he thought you are scum then proceeds to pair us (wtf??) when you openly contradicted him in thread
but tl:dr by far the worst
claims that both rayn & hf are scum
goes on and on (wrongly) about how killing rayn is the rught thing to do since rayn has a gun if scum
but votes you?
ignoring that rayn cant have a gun, if he legitly thinks you are both scum and rayn has a gun he should be convincing us all to kill rayn but hes not doing that
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On April 14 2018 19:40 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2018 19:23 currentlyhomeless wrote:
yo tube I want your opinion
skynx
calix
oats
vivax
which one most likely to be scum? Skynx, Calix, Vivax, Oats in that order. With Oats townread.
ok
i actually think vivax is best chance for scum today but i think i am tunneled atm
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