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On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?
Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun? If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had. I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.
Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia. Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1. Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either?
Fair enough.
No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.
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On April 11 2018 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 11 2018 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:45 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn aren't you the least bit suspicious that vivax called me mafia for pushing definitely townies (es, you, damdred) but now he's posted suspicions on you, es? Aren't you suspicious that he called my pushing es at night mafia indicative but now he's pushing es for everything that was already talked about at night?
Do you really believe he didn't see es claimed she didn't have a gun? If i am completely honeat i dont read vivax based on what he writes because if i did i would always 100% of the time think he is mafia. Like last game he suddenly decided that mafia must be me, you, palmar and rsoultin which never made any sense at all in any world and it completely destroyed his credibility to convince anyone in any good reads he had. I havent focused in much of vivax' posts after i decided he has to be town but i can do that tonight for you. But normally i dont read him anything based on who he thinks is mafia because basically at any point of the game he can think anyone can be mafia regardless if it makes sense to others or not, or prior to his earlier posts.
Where did es claim she doesnt have a gun? If thats true she has to be mafia. Vivax can absolutely play as mafia. There was even a game he got me lynched when he was mafia. He's stopped producing real content since the end of day 1. Also wtf how can you miss that? You just had a whole conversation with kush about how he thought I was town because of what I was saying about es LAST NIGHT and you're talking about it with him but you're saying you don't know the context of it at all either? Fair enough. No. I didnt know homeless' read on you was based on es. I am not talking about n1. I thought you were saying es claims d2 that she doesnt have a gun (which is something i dont remember happening), which would automatically make her mafia.
To be more clear. I donet think n1 not knowing gun makes es anything andd i can understand how someone thinks it could maje her mafia. I can also underatand how it doesnt. I dont understand how this is related to anything because i just skipped that discussion since ots dumb.
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Okay. That was not what i was talking about. I was only talking about D2. I will look into it tonight when i am home.
On a sidenote today is the first day i am happy at work this week because everything isnt going completely retardedly. <3
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On April 12 2018 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax says "hf is attacking obvious townies es/rayn/damdred" after es claims she did not have a gun to give out on night one and I questioned the shit out of it.
Vivax attacks rayn today, flips read on es and says she is mafia because of a situation where she didn't know her role mechanics.
Vivax's reasons to scum read me are fabricated and now he is using the same reasoning he called me out for to put a vote on es.
Tbh this one you are wrong on. Vivax attacked es only after ch and me said she saw only 1 flip but didnt know gb flipped. That is a different thing you were saying.
I am home in an hour. Can you bulletpoint a liat on vivax where you want my opinion on to make it faster?
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On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear.
Or ES was just genuinely afk and didn't know who mafia shot but knows she will claim roleblocked anyways (aka i didn't shoot).
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Okay so here is the Vivax on ES thing.
Night 1:
- ES says something dumb about her assumed role.
- Holyflare starts pushing her for it
- Vivax says that doesn't make ES mafia
Day 2:
- ES says there is only 1 kp so rayn must be town
- ES doesn't know GB has flipped
- Everyone misses this until homelessdude points it out
- I agree with his point
- Vivax agrees with his point
That really isn't what "you were saying" Holyflare, hope you get this one. Now what were the other points on Vivax i need to look into?
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##unvote
##vote Eversince
I really don't believe Eversince forgets that glowinbear has flipped. Not only -- as per her ASSUMED ROLE -- should she be paying extra attention to day post (assuming she would be telling the truth that she thinks the person the gun got passed to can shoot the same night) but in addition to that the person who died was GLOWINGBEAR. Like yeah, the flip in itself is super fucking weird.
Who says mafia shot gb in Eversince's mind? Why was mafia KP not blocked and me shooting gb? Why does she assume gb was shot by mafia in the first place -- like the way she worded her post was like she was sure gb was not shot by her gun. Of course this makes sense if she doesn't actually know who was shot. 
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I made this set of posts.
On April 11 2018 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip
which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died
but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB roflmao this actually makes sense. Eversince elaborate please?
On April 11 2018 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 09:31 Eversince wrote:
Ok, let me try to break this logic down for you then.
I gave the gun to Rayn
(town!Rayn) Shoots somebody.
(mafia!Rayn) Shoots town.
The fact there was no double kp and Rayn says he did not get the gun confirms Rayn town. If Rayn was mafia they could of doubled kp last night. If their is ever double kp from this point on it is either SK or Rayn is mafia. That is silly to risk in mafia!Rayn so Rayn is town. So at the same time Eversince does know there were not 2 flips at night but then she doesn't know Glowingbear died.
On April 11 2018 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 17:30 Tubesock wrote:On April 11 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:On April 11 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Mr- whoeverperson you are. Play time is over.
Your posts aside from the eversince and gb things are completely undecipherable. Noone has any idea why you are scumreading Holyflare. Noone has any idea why you scumreading gb made hf town and how gb dying made him back to scum. Noone has any idea what you are saying about anything in the game.
Either you start playing or tell who you are and start playing, or you die. Time is up. You are not allowed to troll this town after this moment.
##vote currentlyhomeless me reading gb as scum didn’t make hf town wtf i thought he and hf were scum together. it was ever being weird and then hf jumping on ever with very similar thought process to my own which made me post this: On April 10 2018 17:20 currentlyhomeless wrote:
what is happening.
HF baby I’m sorry then I waffled on ever cause I was like na fuck it but niw I’m back to thinking ever is scum cause the claim makes 0 sense and there are too many “mistakes” also if i were scum what kind of moron would i be shoot one of my only scumreads n1? btw anyone who still thinks ever is town pls entertain me for a bit ever knew that there was only 1 nk and posted about it after the flip which means if ever is town, they would have read the daypost which said GB died but then less than 3 (?) hours later when pressed for reads ever slipped and included GB how would ever know there was only 1 nk but not know who it was if ever is town i seriously don’t believe a townie would forget that fast How does a mafioso forget who their night kill target was?? Well how does someone who just said she knows i didn't shoot anyone forget that they actually DID look at the daypost? Like fucking confirmed looked at the daypost.
On April 11 2018 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:The only way she would know, without looking at the daypost, that i "didn't shoot anyone" as she claims, is if she didn't actually even try to give me a gun.
I know i didn't "push it" because there was nothing else to say at that time and i was arguing with Calix and homelessdude.
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lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment
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On April 11 2018 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 18:31 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:16 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 18:05 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 17:57 Calix wrote:On April 11 2018 17:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why Damdred is not mafia Calix? He can be but there's not much that sways me one way or the other. I don't understand where he's coming from but I think it's pointless to analyse his posts without any explanations tbh. okay so you are just letting him call you mafia if he keeps playing like he does. gotcha,. "playing" - Good joke. Most people are calling me mafia. Doesn't mean they are all mafia. I don't have the luxury of OMGUSing or thinking most of the people pushing me are scummy when everyone wants me dead. So why do you think Damdred voted for you over anyone else when he did? Like i find is super amusing you seem to be thinking i am more likely to be mafia that Damdred is when he drops a seemingly random vote on you and i share basically every scumread with you other than yourself and Damdred. I don't really get why you are reacting like this to me posting some NK musings that boil down to "one of rayn and Skynx might be mafia for this kill and I think Skynx is more likely, otherwise I don't know why GB died". It's perfectly sensible to consider whether your reads are shit after an unexpected night kill happens. No, this is what you literally said. That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. That by definition means you scumread both of us, otherwise you would have used a different worrding. Damdred is jsut something else and not a real scumread. Like i said early in the game "one of Calix and HF is mafia buth not both". That's when you think only one and not both, in your case you can NEVER claim you think one but not both. So stop dodging the question and why am i more scummy than Damdred is? Damdred is what we call "null". I never said he was a 'real scum-read'. I don't know whether it's one or both of you, or even whether I am correct with my assumption that GB died because of his reads. The "I don't know whether it's one or both of you" is why the "or even both" part is in parentheses. Mhmm... so gb dying doeant make aense UNLESS but not really... i see Calix.. i see.
Youre talking about this.
You clearly implied i am (and skynx) more scummy than Damdred is because you literally said "That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia" and Damdred is just something else and not a real scumread . When i confront you about it you say actually you are not sure if i am mafia or even if skynx is mafia which doesn't make any sense to me. So like you first concluded gb kill doesn't make any sense UNLESS skynx or rayn or both are mafia, and now you are not really sure fi rayn or even skynx is mafia when nothing on that front hasn't changed (it's impossible to change tbh because regardless of what we have posted after gb was still the night kill and someone shot him -- and you were ONLY talking about that).
The last post was sarcastic because i tried many posts and you managed to never answer my question i asked you in the first place and just backpedalled from your earlier conclusion for imo no apparent reason.
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idk, it didn't sound like one.
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On April 11 2018 17:46 Calix wrote:
- That GB night-kill only really makes sense if one (or even both) of rayn/ Skynx is mafia. Those were the only people GB said he would vote for (and maybe CH if nobody wanted to lynch rayn/ Skynx). So it's one of those "if both rayn/ Skynx are town then why shoot GB now if he was just gonna vote for a mislynch the next day?" kinda thing. I actually think Skynx is more likely to be mafia here, will have to reread his filter. I say this mostly because that rayn post where he basically tells everyone to fuck off after posting his reads felt townie to me.
Does this sound like "only a hypothetical scenario"?
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I mean, hte only other scumreads she gives in that post are Eversince and Exo.
When i confront him about Damdred, who she should imo be scumreading if she is town because Damdred just dropped a seemingly random vote on Calix when imo there was no reason to scumread her, she cannot answer why Damdred could not be mafia and instead says she is not sure if either of me and Skynx are mafia....
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On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:
I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that
Humor me and make a case on this.
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On April 12 2018 05:37 Calix wrote:
Damdred is a null read for me. He "can be mafia" BY DEFINITION OF BEING NULL.
I do not know how to make this more obvious.
The problem is there is actually something to analyse on Damdred, especially FOR YOU!!!
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On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay.
If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game.
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On April 12 2018 05:39 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:38 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 05:35 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 05:22 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol if mafia is just not voting at the moment Actually possible too, lmao. On April 12 2018 05:18 ExO_ wrote:On April 12 2018 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 12 2018 04:15 Calix wrote:On April 12 2018 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
Hang on.
Es is always the kill here. If she's mafia it might confirm a sk alive too. Huh? If ES is mafia she knows there's one night kill but NOT that it was glowingbear. It might be because their shot got blocked or because mafia didn't kill glowingbear. This would require ES as scum to assume their KP went through and not bother to read the night 1 post....on top of faking everything else. Its TOO many things that have to happen for ES to be scum that involve a combination of knowledge and faking. It doesn’t seem likely to me. It’s like pairing water and oil, it just doesn’t mix together in my mind. I think ES far more likely is just a town struggling on TL for the first time Nobody said she's faking all her mistakes about Gunsmith. I think Oats is the only person who ever suggested Eversince was 'trying to act too bad to be scum' and he doesn't even think that anymore. It's been established that she could fuck up with reading comprehension as any alignment. Get with the times innit. Eversince has played more than one game on TL, lol? Why are you more focused on defending Eversince than finding scum or engaging with your scum reads? Because I believe ES is town. I didn’t realize ES hadn’t played before on TL, I thought I read this was first time playing on TL. and I mistaken? I’ve never been great at reading scum. Right now I’m suspicious of You, Rayn, Vivax. I think I can definetely see you and Rayn together. What I’m more certain of tho is that HF is town, and ES is town. And I think HF thinks ES is probably scum. So I think its important I try to defend ES since I don’t think ES is scum. Other than that Ill probably be sheeping HF. No she's definitely played games here before. 'I've never been great at reading scum' - I call bullshit on this. I've seen you play before and you were definitely not a wimp when it came to scum-reading people. Your passive tone here is a stark contrast. Also it's obvious you're going to vote for me. I don't know why you're limping into it. It's a close tie between your town-read and your biggest scum-read and YOU'RE STILL ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DECIDING? "probably be sheeping HF" my fucking arse. I’m not acting like I’m deciding at all, I will 100% hands down vote you over ES. Where the hell do you come off saying im acting like im deciding? If you're " probably sheeping HF" then that means you're not 100% sure BY DEFINITION.
tsk tsk.... If something "only makes sense" then it ONLY makes sense by definition.
+ Show Spoiler +I really had to do that..
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On April 12 2018 05:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2018 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 11 2018 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Someone said i scumread Damdred because Damdred is afk. That can't be further away from truth. I scumread Damdred because at the time he dropped his vote on Calix there was no reason to think Calix is mafia. Damdred will never ever as town vote for "one of the wagons", hell he will instead get lynched himself voting for his scumread, and he tends to post a list for "end game credits" or some other shit like that. Based on his last scumgame it's not even out of reality that he votes for his scumbuddy. But i have a very hard time seeing how the vote on Calix at that time is in any way justified. But it's okay, Damdred will probably have a good asnwer to this when he comes to the thread next time. Another thing is that after voting Calix Damdred is more interested in telling why i look bad rather than why the person he is voting for looks bad or is mafia, and some other random stuff like Skynx wagon looks like something i don't even understand. And how often Damdred says "I disagree on vivax. But I am often wrong". Dude is just trying to save Vivax from a votecount that looks "horrendous for town" (Vivax and Skynx leading -- Calix third), and that's all he can come up with? Okay. If you think Damdred is null and there is nothing to say about him why didn't you call bs on this then? The only thing you managed to say about this and the whole post is that "anger seems genuine" which is honestly super weak because it is the most informative post i have made in this game. Because I'm aware other people will disagree that there's nothing to say about him, duh. I personally think giving a read on him is pointless because he is AFK, has explained nothing, etc. But not everyone thinks like me. That's why I don't necessarily think it's weird if anyone else has a read on him.
So when is the time in your opinion to lynch / start calling afk people mafia to lynch them?
LYLO? After game?
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kushmasta is 100% incapable of coming up with the case on eversince every single time.
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