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On April 08 2018 18:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why was it relevant to GB's alignment to group me and eversince there? Going back to this, why did you completely ignore my points against Vivax? If you think I'm mafia, it would follow that you'd have an opinion when your "mafia read" makes a wall-post accusing someone you called dumb town. Yet you completely ignore this to post this question. And it's not even a good question.
It is because your post doesnt really say anything. You dont explain why Vivax does that as mafia you just say it maybe makes him mafia. Also i am at work and wont be making long posts until i am home.
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Also no, "which is ťypically a mafia trait" doesnt really mean anything at all.
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I am sorry but that's exactly what i did, responded to your post. So your reasoning is made up.
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Leta hear who thinks i am bullshitting. Yes or no?
So far holyflare said yes.
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Ofc i can lol. I just usually dont do it, especially MQ becauae its extremely annoying and i alreasy hate touxhpads/screens. I am home though in about 45 mins.
Are you around at the time?
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Because i just simply didnt think about that as an option at that time. When i look at actual times i hover over the "x hous ago" on mouse and it ahows the actual time. Obviously doesnt work so on phone. I was also waiting for my coworker to pick me up so i was in kind of hurry.
Later on when i thought about it more i found it irrelevant to anyones alignment based on aomething eversince said earlier.
I mean like, do you think i as mafia dont push my reads and make "useless questions"?
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On April 09 2018 00:23 Vivax wrote:
Just read calixs case on rayn.
The "you apologize to me while thinking I'm mafia" seems stretchy.
Claiming that rayn doesn't think she's mafia cause he didn't vote her yet is also stretchy.
Reads very overeager to me to call people mafia. But don't think that makes her mafia, also possibly just very sprinkly townie. Why does it make her mafia instead rayn?
Also abandoning this train of thought on your timestamp question cause you could be lying or saying the truth either way.
I would never ever lie about something liek that, it doesn't even make any sense lol.
The thing is, i don't need to vote, and i don't vote until i am completely certain. I do it as town and as scum i do that as i do it as town. I completely agree it doesn't 100% make her mafia (i think Calix is she, right?) but i am inclined to think it makes her mafia atm. I can somehow understand the "why are you not voting" part from town!perspective but other stuff is either 100% incorrect or completely NAI. What is also funny is that she is accusing me of something that she is herself (based on her thought process and how she acts) doing at the same time. 
The problem is i don't think they are both mafia with Holyflare and i don't honestly know which is worse, the case or Holyflare believing the case, because Holyflare should know better.
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On April 09 2018 00:40 Skynx wrote:
You're mixing up GB with rayn.
I'm scumread rayn cuz those two questions are unlikely to come from town. If town posts such questions he's likely to follow them up cuz town would be actually interested in the answers. My take is rayn posted them cuz i dunno why the fuck, probably trying to appear townie in the intro.
This is not correct. I always drop leads when i got the feeling they aren't leading anywhere.
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I am pretty sure you shouldn't ever do any meta cases Skynx.
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Just because you don't understand why i am asking a question doesn't make the question a useless one.
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I actually should answer this because either Holyflare is stupid or mafia but regardless of which, when he is on board there is a chance the rest of the people regardless of their alignment will be either stupid or mafia and vote for me. Not because i care about being lynched but because you shouldn't actually be talking about me and while usually there is, now there is nothing more for me to gain in not saying anything.
The first thing that made me thing Calix is scummy was this post:
On April 08 2018 06:41 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 06:35 Eversince wrote:
@Glowing: I just assumed since it is so early probably personal reasons. Never played with GB before. In fact, I don't think I've played with quite a few people on this playerlist. Speaking of GB, have a question. If your read on me is "pure intuition" - which suggests you have no solid basis to scum-read me - then how can you ask Rayn and Eversince if they "see what you see"? That implies you have a more tangible reason to call me mafia.
I can sort of see the thought process here but from this post i got the feeling Calix is doing the thing here where she makes GB answer wrong regardless of the answer. There is nothing wrong with GB asking me or Eversince about Calix, since Eversince was obviously around, and me for other reasons (which shouldn't be a concern to Calix here since she has never played with GB). Then she goes on and says the last sentence which is like... ughhh.. leading GB to possibly say something stupid. Like if GB says:
1) "no i didn't" --> you're mafia because you implied so
2) "yes i actually did" --> you're mafia because you didn't give the reason (why wouldn't you)
The whole questionaire to GB is a mess that is completely NAI and just... idk fucked up lol. It doesn't make any sense because it doesn't follow any sort of thought process i can think of.
Then there is this.
On April 08 2018 18:53 Calix wrote:
If you don't think there's such a thing as too scummy to be scum then yeah, I'd like to know why you think Vivax's dumb post is "town dumb" then.
A questionable progression isn't a reason to suspect someone is mafia? Yes, I said that it 'might' make him mafia as I would like an explanation from him first but there's still plenty of content to comment from.
And if you thought it didn't say anything then again, why WOULDN'T you respond to it saying that at the time? Here's what you're claiming. Your mafia read a makes long accusatory post "which doesn't say anything" on someone you town-lean and you're claiming you just ignored it until I prodded you for a response?
Yeah, I don't believe you.
##vote raynpelikoneet
The problem with the "questionable progression" Calix gives here might be suspicious because in the post where she accuses Vivax of being mafia she already gives the townie answer for Vivax (aka answer A). It is basically what i believed Vivax was doing, i thought Vivax made a stupid rection test to Damdred on GB already having a townread on GB. That in itself isn't even scummy, what i find stupid is that Calix gives a scumread on Vivax and then says like "but what was your reasoning, pick from these answeres where one is townie and one is scummy or make up your own answer". If you want someone to answer TRUTHFULLY you don't give answers (or you have some kind of trick in there ^^ , which there isn't here). Why would you say, as town, "hey dude, i think you are scummy, can you elaborate on this X thing and if you answer Y then you are town"? What's the point? Now i don't think this is even necessarily scummy but the follow up on it is.
+ Show Spoiler +Also funnily enough Vivax gave an even more townie response haha ^^
The second thing is, i actually did confront Calix on her read on Vivax, i did it here:
On April 08 2018 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours.
Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2).
This should be quite obivously an indication that i am interested in her read on Vivax and in connection, her (lack of) read on me. Just because i didn't directly ask about her read on Vivax doesn't change that fact, because what i tend to do is not to say everything at once. I progress one step at the time because i can lead the discussion to what i want to in a "sneaky" way where the "target", if mafia, reacts in a way they shouldn't as town to a maybe just a small harmless question.
I think it is very unreasonable to say i ignored the read on Vivax until she "prodded me" because (this is what i talked about earlier) it is actually this way; SHE ignored MY read on Vivax until I prodded HER about it. So at best this makes her a fucking hypocrite. Or the other thing...
Initially i ignored the Vivax read because yeah.. it doesn't really make her mafia. It doesn't matter if i think she might be mafia before that, because i don't bs and call my scumreads scum for reasons that actually don't make them scum (and the read on Vivax in itself doesn't -- townies make stupidass reads like that all the time, aka if Calix is mafia it is not because she made that read on Vivax).
On April 08 2018 20:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2018 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am sorry but that's exactly what i did, responded to your post. So your reasoning is made up. Congrats, this is the scummiest post in the thread! Firstly, you only responded after I directly asked why you ignored my post. Doesn't count hun. Secondly, you straight-up accused me of making shit up but you don't even vote me for it?Moreover, why are you apologising? I'M YOUR MAFIA READ. Who you're not voting for! Apologizing is basically you waving a flag reading "I know I'm full of shite". In fact, to highlight how ridiculous and nonsensical it is for you to not be voting me at this point, I've quoted all the times you implied, or outright stated, that I am mafia. Hell, accusing me of making things up should be SUFFICIENT REASON to vote for me WITHOUT any other quotes. But you're dancing around the topic and keep saying I'm doing stuff that mafia does yet you won't commit. And you're doing that because you're trying to evade a confrontation with me Three words for you, boo: Vote me, pussy. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's Calix posts] +GB might be right on Calix but not for that reason. She's arguing about stuff that doesnt make anyone anything, or at least mafia. What Tubesock says its not it. I will explain better when i get off work, got called in for today. Also it seems like you dont have aread on me. Which is weird since i (1) made an observation you 100% agree on and (2) i made another (same) observation (to yours) where my conclusion in the opposite to yours.
Still you dont have an opinion on me, and youre also not engaging me on (2). The post where you started questioning that is the one i actually think you might be mafia for. It is because your post doesnt really say anything. You dont explain why Vivax does that as mafia you just say it maybe makes him mafia. Also i am at work and wont be making long posts until i am home.
Three things here:
1) Hypocrite
2) Yeah i can see how you could believe that as town. Bad wording on my part. It was just the first thought that came to my mind. Do you also go with Holyflare 100% mafia because if he "is not bsing" as you accuse me of he should also always be mafia to you?
3) You are bad at sarcasm.
4) See some stuff i wrote earlier and also i ask again what i asked in (2).
5) not really, i just heavily dislike your playstyle because you appear to be cocky and angry for no apparent reason and it makes me unwilling to discuss anything with you so congrats if you're town, you lost an ally.
6) + Show Spoiler +Now i actually lied, this was more than three points.
So yeah, if you wanna vote me for that idc. As i said there is no more to gain for me from this because i believe the people not taking part to this can be either dumb as fuck and vote for me or mafia. Or Damdred who will call me town regardless of his affiliation because he can't help himself either being right on me or "being right on me". Or call me town which isn't even a tell of any alignment because it is just very obvious none of this makes me mafia.
So leave me alone and vote for me or not, but go discuss something else and let me find scum.
GB is town
Vivax is town
Oats is a headless duracell bunny who can be helpful if he slows down a bit and focuses not on everything but onto important things. also town.
Skynx is likely ignore pile but town
Tubesock probably town for a reason i don't wanna say yet
Damdred is idk
Eversince idk
Then there are non-posters
One of Calix and Holyflare is mafia, but no more than one
Smurf dude is most likely mafia if he is a good player, or Blazinghand. 100% if Blazinghand.
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On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar.
I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it.
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Meh i explained the Calix on GB thing poorly. There is nothing wrong in "pure intuition". There is nothing wrong in asking about this "pure intuition" from others. The argument however is expanded to something i feel like is ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. It basically just looks like "you call me scum now other people see, it's actually HIM who is scummy here".
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On April 09 2018 01:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2018 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 09 2018 01:29 Vivax wrote:
But if I don't approach it emotionally, I think you'd be playing a pretty bad scum game considering that you are not really attempting to be friends with the entire thread and stay under the radar. I am sorry but this is what her scumplay looks like. At least it did last time. Super dumb overly emotional arguments and that's it. I'm still reviewing your post but trying to meta-read me off one game...over a year ago...where I stopped posting because of shite internet =/= good meta read. If you're basing even 1% of your read on me because of that, stop. You simply do not know enough about how I play to make a proper judgment there.
I am not, but if you are town this game then your town play is as shit as your scum play. You were never ever going to not get lynched in that game regardless of if you went afk or not.
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I am not trying to be a dick, but that's the truth.
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I am sorry but i tend to respond to overly cocky posts with being evenly dick. Like you're either just mafia or making a very bad read.
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On April 09 2018 00:58 Skynx wrote:
Go ahead and explain what is the point to those questions im curious.
On Eversince and Damdred. they both were wanting to engage each other then it jsut dropped off. That's where i left to when i got to work. I found it weird there was no progression on that conversation. Then i realized Eversince said she was drunk and relying on someone else's internet and both of them stopped posting (aka possibly went to sleep). So yeah, it doesn't make them anything.
On the smurf dude. They joined relatively close to each other with noobking. And this guy started talking about setups pre-game (which is something noobking apparently is very concerned of regardles of his affiliation). I thought there is a high chance he is from the same place he is from, which obviously affects on what to expect of him and what not in comparison to TL players. I actually kept on what i was pushing until he basically said he is a smurf and that's when i dropped it.
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Of course it is not deep, nothing is at this point. But it really sounded like you gave GB basically no "right" answers. I actually thought it made you a bit townier when you posted the Vivax post and in the same post called GB town but then you stated to call me mafia based on something i think you should realize is basically the opposite of what you said....
If you are really telling the truth about thinking i am mafia because "i should vote for you" why are you not reading Holyflare mafia as he agreed with your case (which if correct makes me mafia) but is not voting for me?
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Like your thought process is:
1) There is this thing X that makes rayn mafia
2) if X is correct always vote for rayn
3) Holyflare agrees with X
4) Holyflare doesn't vote for rayn (this is in fact the X in question)
How does this make sense?
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