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On April 17 2018 10:51 Vivax wrote: Like what's the mafia motivation for him to lie about the gun when all it could possibly achieve is get up everyone against him? He's obviously just trolling town. Joking is better said. | ||
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On April 17 2018 12:18 Vivax wrote: End game credits looking worse by the day bro What's the re-eval? Yeah you're right and i am bad. It's Oats/Calix/HF. Tube and CH are gonna throw though.  | ||
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On April 17 2018 04:50 Calix wrote: Rayn should be the lynch because he complains and berates other people but doesn't contribute anything 'better' or try to fix anything. His filter is full of negative comments, criticisms, etc, but no solutions. Mafia do this because it's easy to point out someone's mistakes but it's harder and actually pro-town to actually create and push for answers. A lot of his scum-reads are just "things that don't make sense" or "I do not understand how it comes from town" and not things that actually make people mafia. He uses lots of WIFOM arguments when defending himself, such as with comments like "I wouldn't do X as mafia" and his latest posts were lacking in substance. By this I mean he introduced gun WIFOM (something which nobody else can confirm or disprove ever) which can only confuse, not clarify, matters for the town. This isn't a case because that implies I want a response from rayn. I just want him dead. I am open to an Oats lynch today as well but I do not actually have a good case on him aside from "POE + dodgy comments + could be scum with most people" so I'm feeling a bit waffly there. Tubesock go read this again because: First part is the definition of reasoning that makes people mafia and i am mafia for using that line of reasoning?  Second one doesn't say anything, like ofc i will say i never do X as mafia because i don't. I don't shoot my mislynches lol. This isn't a case she just wants me dead. mhm.. okay. But she doesn't apparently really want me dead because she can also vote for Oatsmaster but is waffling? What's the point of writing the post when it doesn't end anywhere despite providing a conclusion even before the post ends? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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idk, i don't really have a decent case against you tbh. But Vivax needs to be town because otherwise he is throwing both of his teammates under the bus and everyone thinks Oats is scum but noone has ever even lift a finger towards him. And Tube cannot be mafia and CH makes the most sense in the game after Vivax so i don't really have options, especially since you have triesd to kill Calix from N1 and always ended up on somewhere else. Yeah i know that's what everyone did which is why i find Calix' case to be completely unreasonable. But the thing is you are letting these sort of arguments run around in thread when they are imo completely ridiculous. I think it makes you mafia. That and Exo being in fact town. | ||
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On April 18 2018 00:17 Holyflare wrote: I didn't. I've said I'd make more optimal kills after exo nk if I were to be following the "give town as little amount of information as possible" strat that mafia seem to be making and that's about it. Regardless, if I did this isn't even the argument I made. It's rayn's argument that he isn't mafia because of the nks, not me. I was talking about this: But the thing is you are letting these sort of arguments run around in thread when they are imo completely ridiculous. | ||
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1) thinks youre mafia 2) is effectively trying to throw the game 3) is mafia. Your pick... | ||
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On April 18 2018 19:42 Calix wrote: I am all in on CH/ rayn/ Oats so the only thing left for me to do is to convince you two that this is the mafia team. rayn/ CH will be doing their best to convince you that HF/ Calix is the team. I am saying this to make it explicit what our agendas are. Like that is the game. HF/ Calix vs rayn/ CH/ Oats. Nobody is compromising from this point onward. Basically you two will decide who wins the game. Instead of looking at individual posts ('micro'), look at what everyone has done this game ('macro'). Look at what HF and myself have been doing this game. Then look at how little rayn and Oats have done. Look at who actually CARES about solving the game and you will have the answer. And Oats is always mafia here, lol. There is no magical tinfoil world where he is town who just decides to diddle himself at LYLO. He's hardly posting anything because he doesn't want to compromise mafia agenda. First look at the third paragraph. It is true me and Oats have done very little (if you wanna put it that way). I do not disagree with it. I however disagree with the fact that anyone has done anything in this game. If we look at the players Calix is talking about and the "macro" throughout the game by "achievements" here is where it goes: Holyflare: - made a decent sounding case on Vivax on D1. Tried to convince me to look into Vivax and when i did, and wanted him to explain more -- i asked him about the meta point he brought up which was contradicting to mine, he never cared enough to go further and prove his point - made a decent sounding case on Calix on N1, this never went anywhere after this - hard-scumread Exo at some point during the Skynx lynch day, this never went anywhere (albeit part of the reasoning is that Exo died the next night) - made a case on Skynx - has waffled on my alignment all game, when there is no logical reason to think i am mafia he thinks i am mafia, when there is a logical reason to think i am mafia (check) he doesn't think i am mafia as much as before...??? Calix: - I don't give a flying fuck what she has said on D1 because she ended up voting noone. Period, she did nothing D1. - Sheeped the rest of the game. - Today is making claims that i will disprove and tell why they don't follow town logic shortly after I am not touching D2 and D3 because the only people who did something notable in those days were Eversince and Skynx and that doing was "kill myself". Noone else did anything during those days, except for CH (and kind of me because noone really understood what CH was saying) who made the case on Eversince and Holyflare who made the case on Skynx. I think it is very unreasonable thing to say someone did anything on D2 or D3, because noone did. If that's what calix is saying, she (and HF) has done less than me. You should never count doing something in "doing something" when it doesn't end up anywhewre. If you're not counting that, then her argument falls apart because i actually have done stuff, people haven't jsut listened to me. Notice the last paragraph here in that post. The important thing is that Calix thinks Oats is mafia. Now let's go here: Calix wants to get votes on me (i assume she wants to get votes on me because otherwise everything she has done today is pointless) instead of oats because: Mafia are voting for Oats which tells me he is not an important role like Role blocker. Because you do not bus RBer when Vet is alive. So I think Rayn is more likely to have a good scum role. Tubesock, especially Tubesock. Can you understand the why this argument is scummy? Any mafia role doesn't mean shit here. Even if i am mafia with Oatsmaster mafia can still shoot Tubesock twice without roleblocking him if they choose to and and it doesn't change when LYLO is. The only reasoning where this makes sense from town perspective is if: - She doesn't think Oatsmaster is mafia (which is incorrect as per her) - She thinks Tubesock is mafia (because all the town votes need to be in the same place, and she doesnt think Tubesock is mafia) The only reasoning that actually makes sense here is that she is mafia and wants to end the game today. This happens (REGARDLESS OF MY AFFILIATION) if there are two townies on me and Oatsmaster, yes, even if we are both mafia that's what happens. The plan is to try divide votes for townies. And that is fucking scummy. She doesn't even have a case on me, she just wants me dead. And uses the "thread sentiment" of how the game has gone to paint me scummy with saying "you arent doing anything". Being annoying doesn't make anyone mafia, it just makes them being annoying, nothing else, and i am annoying. That's pretty much it. She never tries to convince Tubesock to vote for me instead of Oats which she should be doing if she is town because there is only mafia motivation not to. That is what Calix has done today. Sure she ended up on Oats now when i said it already. So it doesn't mean shit. I even waited to see if she just made a mistake but there is no way a person who has experience playing mafia does not understand this in hours being active all time. ---------------------- On Holyflare: I said before i don't know why Holyflare is letting bad arguments running around in thread. He has to be mafia for it. This is one of them. The above is something Holyflare should easily figure out if he paid enough attention. Even if he thinks Calix is town (well actually ESPECIALLY) he should guide Calix to the right track and cut the crap there. Yet he doesn't. He doesn't do anything about it, jsut says: ..which is fucking weakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk............. It's like he wants to be right but have a chance for town to fuck up at the same time. There are also other instances of that behavior, like Calix' earlier case on me, Exo me/gb stuff, where HF should 100% know the argument is (if not scummy, at least) fucking terrible and never makes any sense. I am sure i forgot some others but those come to my mind at the top of my head. Another thing is the read on me, where Holyflare reads me as mafia when he should not, and reads me town when he "should not" (aka when there are less reasons for him to read me as town). The read progression is super fucking dumb in my opinion. ---------------------- CH, you need to vote for Oatsmaster. I think Tubesock said he isn't gonna be around anymore(?). Vivax you need to do whatever Tubesock does, or if they both fucking afk'd already you need to vote for Oatsmaster quickly. Right now always vote for Oats. Otherwise you risk losing the game. So go do it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On April 19 2018 00:44 Holyflare wrote: I don't think calix is mafia. It's simple. I think your read that she should know tube can just be shot twice and changes nothing is a complete stretch. The town explanation is that townies don't always/really ever need to think about how many lynches are left if they shoot a vet twice. They just need to find mafia. I can say this with confidence because I also did not know that and I'm town so it's definitely possible. The argument on me is just bs too. I didn't stop arguments when I post twice a day before work and slightly after work when these conversations occur that you can easily defend yourself? Are there examples of these conversations? No it is not. It is not a stretch because Calix has clearly thought this through since she can come to a conclusion where she wants to lynch me because "i am an important power role". I understand your point could possibly come from town, i concede to that, but Calix' never can. It just can't. The only reason she can make that point is if she wants to divide townies into voting two different targets, as i said it doesn't even matter if i am mafia or not in this scenario, because Calix thinks Oats is mafia. If Calix thinks Oats is mafia she should NEVER EVER vote outside Oats unless she thinks Tubesock is mafia. It is that simple. I am not blaming you for not having this conclusion yourself in the first place, because you are not Calix. I am blaming you for not thinking this through yourself AFTER and having this conclusion and telling Calix -- as you think she is town -- that EVEN IF YOU ARE CORRECT AND ME AND OATS ARE BOTH MAFIA she is trying to lose the game right now!!!!!!!! That's what i am blaming you for, and i don't know why you would do that, unless you are mafia. This is an example of said argument. Another one is this: On April 09 2018 00:58 ExO_ wrote: Starting to read the thread and this is the first thing I see. GB asking Rayn for a read when he hasnt even been inthe thread yet. I don’t buy the idea he just decided to ask an opinion of Rayn in the hopes he’d come into the thread. I think he heard from Rayn in a QT and slipped with this post On April 09 2018 16:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is actually the most terrible single post in thread: - follow thread sentiment, check - make up your own reason so you look like you're doing something, check - doesn't make any sense at all, check I can't show you what you did regarding this because you did absolutely nothing. You should 100% always know this is a retarded argument because it doesn't make any sense and there is always town motivation for GB to do that, there is always a town motivation for me to "not be around" because it was fucking middle of the night, yet you never ever say anything about this post, ever. Only after D2 you start pressing Exo for being mafia. Yet STILL this isn't included in your reasoning, when it was a terrible conclusion that SHOULD in a normal world be scummy as fuck. Just because it is. Another thing is this: On April 09 2018 16:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you believe this, why didn't you vote for me when i was "making shit up"? The reason i am highly considering you as mafia is because the way you agreed to Calix' case -- especially this part doesn't make any sense. If you believe Calix is correct (which you did) you should yourself have voted for me as per your own definition on "what a townie should do". Another funny thing is that you yourself make such claims all the time and if we lynched for that you would probably be lynched in every single game. But the bottom part is you do one thing but still say the townie thing to do is the other thing. This is what you also did when Calix made a case that in no way makes me mafia (even if i was mafia the reasoning she used never makes me mafia and you should know better to know it). Same thing happens here today, Calix is using extremely flawed reasoning to call me mafia and you just.... do nothing.,,,, I can't show you how you reacted to these theings because... you just didn't. | ||
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You know that, newer players might not. So i can't find the motivation for you as town to let these arguments run around because it cannot possibly make you to get a better read on me (it never should), it only helps causing other people possibly thinking i am mafia for absolutely garbafge reasons. I don't know why i am trying to convince you you are scum so i will stop posting here. | ||
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On April 19 2018 03:00 Holyflare wrote: Her vote is on oats how is she losing the game? I said she was at the time. Like why are you twisting the argument into something that it is not? I clearly explained why it doesn't even matter anymore. I am not applying this to homeless because he is just dumb as fuck and all over the place as it seems. But someone who claims to be very fucking observant and super townie and all that shit yeah no....... Yeah you are right, we arent losing if homelss is not mafia. Oh right, your argument that he is df or disformation is completely retarded because there is absolutely 0% chance EVER in this game this dude is disformation and if he was darthfoley you should be pushing his lynch 100% of the time every single second you "figured out" it is darthfoley because even his first post in the game always makes him mafia if he is darthfoley (or basically any of the "normal players" who play nowadays aside from sicklucker). | ||
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On April 08 2018 10:43 currentlyhomeless wrote: Someone tell me the run down of who’s good and who’s not in this game. If you think the dude is anyone who regularly plays here aside from a troll like kush or sicklucker you should always think this guy is mafia because this post always makes him mafia. So darthfoley or disformation without a stupidly aggressive push on homeless here makes absolutely zero sense. Fact. | ||
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On April 19 2018 03:39 Holyflare wrote: I'm calling the dude mafia and tried to lynch him day 1 lol :D Maybe you can also "stop this stupid argument" and just look at the fucking search bar? D1 doesn't mean anything regarding this because you thought it was kush. Actually in that sense you couldn't prove that meta either, the one you were trying to sell me "kush reads me very correctly". You only managed to try lynch him in the last moments of D1, never ever after. Calling him mafia is different from trying to lynch him when you always find a better argument on someone else, like what happened with your read on Vivax and Calix. None of those three make any sense because you had a GOOD read, you never went back to that. Like i get lynching ES and Skynx but still you arent going back to any of that in any way, and you ALSO manage to comp Calix in her terrible arguments and call them good. So there is that, if you are town and Vivax is in fact mafia then you have fucked up. But i don't think ypure town. | ||
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But you never did that when he said he is not kush. Very selective. | ||
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If you are not saying he is not df then this post doesnt make any sense. When i am saying "your smurf read is terrible and if you think he is df you should 100% lynch this guy" (which you arent) you counter by quoting a post where the cuy says he is not df, then you say "but i still think he is df" What the fuck? | ||
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Never 3ver after D1 have you pushed him. Not even now. Calix pushed me, that is what is called a push. You dping what you are is not a push when you should 100% know this guy is magia baded o your reasoning. So i dont believe you. | ||
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