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On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum.
Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing.
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On March 22 2018 22:25 Palmar wrote:
I haven't read hf's reasons for thinking mocsta is mafia, but I have no big reasons to think mocsta is scum outside of his very weak entry. Someone asked me if Mocsta dropping the post restriction is more town or scum, and I think it's more likely to be town, as I don't think he was ever in any real danger of being lynched.
Yeah, that was me who asked you that, and apparently you agree with the evaluation I posted.
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On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played:
Hahahahahaha.
The guy who just finished saying he doesn't meta people (and consequently, has NO idea if what he's trying to scumread me for is even alignment-indicative for me at all) wants to whine about me discussing a proven generalization regarding the use of the word "actually" that I did NOT use to scumread him. I didn't "bitch" about it at all. I used it as an *example* of what I was explaining to rayn about the psychology behind word choice. I used *that* example because it was fresh in my mind, having just happened.
I specifically said I have no interest in tossing you out of the game yet. And part of the reason is that I DON'T know you, and did not jump to the presumption that the way you used the word was good cause for scumreading YOU (individually), even though, in a vacuum, your post IS scum-indicative.
That means exactly ONE of us is NOT a hypocrite.
Hint:
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On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:Oh and this part: Show nested quote +That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class".
Okay, world-class. Perhaps second only to me, even. Doesn't seem to be helping you produce a scumread who is actually scum at the moment, however. Best be keeping your eyes open.
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On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing. There's no such thing as mafia veteran.
False.
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On March 22 2018 23:06 Palmar wrote:
My rules are for other people, not myself.
That would be a fair paraphrasing of how I described you being a hypocrite, sure.
On March 22 2018 23:06 Palmar wrote:
My case is for other people, not you.
I might need to strip you of that "world class" rank then. IF you are Town, then there is one person whose feedback you should MOST want, about your case. Your target's feedback. If you're scum, then the less you directly interact with your target about your points against them, the better you'll probably like it.
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On March 22 2018 23:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 23:09 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 23:01 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2018 22:41 n00bKing wrote:On March 22 2018 21:54 ExO_ wrote:On March 22 2018 21:15 n00bKing wrote:
Or should they not kill anyone, hold their shot, and hope to get off a shot later in the game? I think there's two approaches here I would consider: Shoot Disinfo. Operate on the assumption that Scum won't target him for KP going into Night 1. If he's telling the truth I'll know then. Especially with the way the voting went (chaos after he blue claimed) maybe could use his thoughts and my own thoughts to formulate an educated opinion on who is scum. And if he was lying, easy scum dead. Alternatively I might shoot Vivax. Might just be OMGUS but I don't think Vivax has scum hunted this game. I think his post have largely distracted town and can't make sense coming from a towny point of view. He's scum reading both myself and Keslier -- this doesn't make sense in my opinion. Particularly with the discussion I had with Keslier earlier in the day. And I don't think he's ever given a good explanation. + Show Spoiler +On March 22 2018 03:32 Calix wrote:
Day 1 Vote Count
disformation [5]: Koshi, n00bking, KelsierSC, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare n00bking [4]: Conversion, Holyflare, Mocsta, MoosyDoosy, Tictock, Fecalfeast, disformationKelsierSC [2]: ExO_, darthfoley rsoultin [1]: Alakaslam, Rels ExO_ [1]: Vivax, Tictock, MoosyDoosyAlakaslam [1]: rsoultin Rels [1]: Mocsta ykl [0]: AlakaslamMocsta [0]: MoosyDoosyTictock [0]: Mocsta, MoosyDoosyPalmar [0]: KoshiNot Voting [5]: ykl, Palmar, sicklucker, disformation, Alakaslam
disformation is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 21 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
If there is an error in the vote count, let us know via PM. On March 22 2018 03:48 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC At the time, Keslier is the 3rd wagon but 2 votes behind. He hops on the wagon with me, his primary scum read all game. I'm just not sure I believe if he really thinks I'm scum he's going to hop on a wagon with me to try to get traction for a new target (or just throw his vote away on 3rd party). So Vivax or Disinfo. I feel like if I was a better player I would go with Disinfo because potentially more information could be learned by confirming he's blue. However I personally would be more likely to go with Vivxa: I think he's likely to be scum. Thanks. A potential flaw in your disformation plan is that, again, he could be a mafia Veteran. So I think that would keep him from being a good Vigilante target, even aside from the talk of how a Vigilante is better off shooting into the trash-tier people who aren't really playing. There's no such thing as mafia veteran. False. Point to me a game on to mafia that isn't themed that has a mafia veteran.
The one you're in.
"- The following roles can be used and can be of any alignment: Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante, Vanilla."
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Some talking points for Day 2:
1) ykl - Seems to me to be playing entirely out of fear. He mentioned early on that he's used to scum being more passive, and it's hard to be much more passive than what he has been. There's a lot of timidity and caution in his posts, including the several minutes that rsoul noticed it took him to craft a nothing-post about where he'd placed his vote, when he didn't even seem to have much interest in placing a vote at all.
If he's town, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of being scumread...afraid of making wrong reads...afraid of being mislynched. But he should be very used to making wrong reads as town, and very used to other players making wrong reads too (sometimes even by scumreading him while he's town).
If he's scum, and has played a bunch of real-life mafia, what's he so afraid of, when trying mafia-by-forum? Afraid of screwing up and being caught. I think this is a much bigger motivator of fear, and would rather easily explain the caution, the timidity, the reluctance to take positions and place votes, etc. It also explains his hesitance to get involved in any of my attempts to talk to him, after I quickly identified his nervousness in our early exchange. Could he be town and hiding from me? Yeah, I guess. But it's easier to understand him hiding from me if he's not.
2) Alakaslam - Town players will be wrongfully accused all of the time. His overreaction (there was only one person voting against him) hardly looks justified, to me. I'll ask for some more perspective on it, from people who have seen him play more often than I have. Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as town? Does he sometimes pull this "take my ball and go home" response when scumread as scum?
This is a different type of fear-based game than ykl's. Instead of playing scared, it uses our own fear as a weapon against us. Fear that if he's on our team but we keep needling him, he'll continue to take his ball and go home. We'll get nothing from him, as a teammate. No reads, no vote, not even any POSTS. So the only way to derive any value from him will be if we're nice, and stop trying to pressure him. This would make him a bad town teammate at best, but I think the motivation for a scum player to set up circumstances where he can use any sort of pressure as an excuse to refrain from posting and voting are obvious.
3) Coagulation - Posts to say hi, but has no comment on the game. Later returns during N1 to tell us that he has caught up on reading the thread. Still has no comment on the game. Lets the Night Phase expire, but still has no comment on the game.
A scum player may feel no compunction to comment on the game yet, they can most likely just do so on Day 2. But a town player who isn't really being scumread by anyone (no real reason to think the scum team would view him as a high misynch candidate) doesn't know he'll be around on Day 2.
How does this Town player invest ALL the time it took to read the 85-page thread, and then risk the possibility of being killed before he gets to say A WORD about what he thought of that 85-page thread? Unforgivable.
It's considerably worse, if Coagulation is any sort of a decent Town player. That would increase the odds that his thoughts would be carefully read and considered, had he only bothered to post them. And would increase the odds that the Mafia would be content to eliminate him before he gets a chance to participate, if he doesn't post them.
So, is Coagulation any sort of a decent Town player? Or is he another guy like Slam or FF, who assures us that he wields no influence, and that no one ever would listen to anything he had to say? Because that's the only scenario where I can make sense of a town player reading an 85-page thread, and then risking his own death before he gets to tell us ANYthing about what he thought of those 85 pages.
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Will make responses to some other posts later, as well as reading up on Tictock's game. For now, he's a perfectly reasonable place for a vote. And since there is already some traction in that direction, I'll happily pile on, and see what that gets us from him.
##Vote: Tictock
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On March 23 2018 08:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either Mocsta is vig and he gave a bad shot and rsoultin/darthfoley are mafia or Mocsta is mafia and rsoultin/darthfoley are town
Explain this inverse relationship.
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On March 23 2018 08:11 Tictock wrote:
Just checking flips before I finish reading (note I still have not read pgs 40-70 or w/e)
Guess I can let that HF stuff go.
Exo seems like the weirdest kill to me, unless he was vigged?
Assuming for a moment that that was all mafia KP then I think 5 mafia is a safe bet (6 just seems like too much for 20 players).
Noting for myself to look into who Vivax was scum reading.
This feels astoundingly contrived. Why would someone post about the flips while admitting they aren't caught up enough on the thread to know anything about what they mean?
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On March 23 2018 08:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If Mocsta is vig then Koshi is probably Mafia.
Why?
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On March 23 2018 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Anyone who DOESNT follow these two posts: Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
My dying wishes:
If mocsta is town lynch ticktock 10/10 times. It's not a towny thought process to defend someone from a case before you read the case ever. It's ridiculous. Then he's trying to push me as mafia because I backed off nk....? Wtf is he even reading.
When you've done that you either kill Fecalfeast or he claims blue. Either or.
Don't let rsoultin slide away doing not much. Don't think she's having any usual impact. If I die one of the usual top town people looking people (not in this game) are mafia so look into rsoul/palmar/vivax/koshi etc.
Don't really agree with rayn on df fight but dude seems ok. Koshi seems ok. Slam not voting would be a dick move to team mates. Coag seal. Forget most people in this game really. Don't sleep on palmar, he's playing his mafia meta right now but I wanna see where it goes. Like the drive on nk. Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 06:59 Vivax wrote:
So, in rough order of current confidence the mafia guesses are:
High tier:
HF
KSC
Koshi
Medium tier:
Rsoultin
ExO
Low Tier:
Rayn (maybe he's just being bad but that HF townread really doesn't sit right with me, also he didn't start a shitfight with any of the big names yet)
I'm wrong on 1-2 depending on the final amount of mafia. I salute you town. is scum and should be killed.
Guess you'll be killing Palmar then, since he's trying to have me lynched instead of following those posts. heh
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On March 23 2018 08:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:32 Tictock wrote:On March 23 2018 06:32 Koshi wrote:Man I was going to post this on deadline but w.e. I think the risk is too high cool people will die. RIP 3 townies. I am paying attention. Suprise! Best reads in spoiler. Town MVP Throphy = thx. Mafia will probably win if slightly mafia balanced. Too much KP. Too many limited town players. + Show Spoiler +Top town
18. Coagulation (town seal)
9. KelsierSC (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
6. rsoultin (top town since start; if you don't see it you are plebs)
7. Vivax (tip top town, because he lives in Vivax world)
Townish
3. ExO_ (Some1 mindmelded with him. The mindmeldee is mostly town. Other than that he doesn't look good)
17. Tictock (I said this after a post he made)
4. Mocsta (seems lost. Being lost here is good)
20. MoosyDoosy (I think he is town just based on thread sentiment against him)
I have hope for these players
15. Palmar (high hopes)
1. Holyflare (less high hopes)
Can flip either way
8. raynpelikoneet (not enough cares during lynch, nothing smart during night, pushes the idea df is town on something he didn't read properly. But he seems a bit lost which is townie)
14. disformation (still looks mafia to me)
10. ykl (Meh, needs more sass, way too safe)
11. n00bking (He might be good at playing mafia, I think he is town)
5. Alakaslam (potential false prophet)
mafia
2. Conversion (I call him mafia, he says I am always wrong on his alignment.)
12. darthfoley (I call him mafia, he says I am wrong.)
16. Fecalfeast (0 impact) Odd Koshi knew there was gunna be 3 townies dead. Also feel weird he townreads me when I feel like I should probably be null at best for most people. Eh I guess it would be a pretty weird scum slip to announce how much KP they have, on the other hand this is Koshi... Just like Mocsta I think we blocked 1 kp tbh. Mafia kp is 4/2=2 and I think they have either a vigi or strongarm. The balance seems fine this game.
If they have a Vigi, then Mocsta would have been the 3rd mafia kp (I feel this is unlikely though). If they have a Strongman, and Town vigi was the 3rd kill, there is still not a KP "blocked" anywhere. So why do you assume one was blocked somewhere? (Man, sure would be nice to know how many mafia are in the game, HUH?)
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On March 23 2018 08:57 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 08:54 Palmar wrote:On March 23 2018 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
Logically speaking, taking Mocsta's claim at face value, Conversion and n00bking are almost surely 1 scum between them. Perhaps two, but idk. Why? Like how has Mocsta's claim anything to do with these guys alignment? Because with as much movement as there was EoD, it's hard to believe the 5 popular wagons were all town Rels -- flipped town Mocsta -- claimed vig + shot went through darthfoley -- your friendly vanilla town n00bking -- ??? Conversion -- ??? If I accept that both nk/conversion are town, it's basically saying that mafia were sitting back, laughing maniacally while town just acted like chickens with their heads cut off.
You haven't seen Day 1 end that way a hundred times?
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On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Tbh it is rather odd Mafia did not shoot into either of Mocsta or Dis.
Now why is that something you would want "to be honest" about? 
Mocsta was fairly close to being lynched on D1, so HF and I both felt comfortable saying he would not be killed. He was too tantalizing as a mislynch target. Meanwhile:
On March 23 2018 12:23 Tictock wrote:
Idk why but I feel like Mafia are quite likely to have a strongarm this game, and Dis prob should have died. Though it's not impossible they left him alive for WIFOM.
Kind of ridiculous. Why should they have wasted a Strongarm to kill an exposed Veteran?
Here are the 9 potential Town roles:
Veteran, Roleblocker, Doctor, Jailkeeper, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vigilante
Every single one of them can help the Town catch scum, help the Town kill scum, or help the Town prevent kills by the scum....EXCEPT an exposed Veteran.
If we assume disformation is a legitimate Town Veteran, then: barring a scenario where he becomes the "Town Jesus" that was described earlier, there is NO rush to eliminate him. He's been completely neutralized by virtue of claiming his actual role, instead of just saying he was blue.
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On March 23 2018 13:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 13:11 Tictock wrote:
I'm about to head to bed. Pretty happy with my vote on Exo, and am now thinking Noob has a good shot at being mafia as well.
Like I said before I don't get where Exo's head is at at all if he is town, and he looks to me like mafia trying to put out reads but is only able to come up with half assed stuff that makes little sense.
Noob prob mafia for calling my vote bad, then sheeping koshi...
I think I have one other scum read atm as well, but I feel like there might be something throwing that read off so I want to hold off and see if anything changes. It's kinda half based off feels and tone atm anyways. This is a good post from tictock in context of what happened circa page 15. I would lynch n00bking over tictock based on this.
lol, well okay then.
If "sticking to incorrect reads that were fabricated out of poor reasoning" is what you like from players, then yeah....I'm not gonna be your cup of tea.
His vote WAS in fact bad, and both of his scumreads were Town.
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On March 23 2018 14:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 20:50 Holyflare wrote:On March 20 2018 20:27 Palmar wrote:So here's the argument as I understood it (I'm ignoring some early parts): 1) Exo claims hf is "not blue" 2) Ticktock votes Exo for this, claiming he doesn't believe exo has such a read (I agree, that's a stupid read) 3) noobking makes the claim that exo's read makes no sense from either perspective (aka, not really relevant) This is where I get confused. You respond with this hf: On March 20 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
[red]Not really true. Mafia want to post anything they can under the guise of scum hunting. Posting that I'm not a role isn't helping mafia in ANY way, it doesn't further any kind of scum read since I'm vt or mafia and it's just a completely empty read with nothing said. Good scum read. In which you sound like you disagree with noobking (red) and then agree with him (green). Then you say "good scum read", when I don't really see him scumreading anyone, or is that referring to someone else? what am I missing? Ticktock says makes exo mafia for irrelevant post. I agreed with ticktock. Noobking says it doesn't make him mafia, in fact it makes him more likely TOWN because "it doesn't help mafia to post like that". I disagree with his premise that it makes exo town. I still agree with ticktock that it makes exo more likely mafia. It's an irrelevant post that has no real reason to post it for. It looks like he's scum hunting by posting a read but it's not actually a read. [red]Then noobking argues with me that it doesn't try and look like scum hunting instead of anything to do with exo's motivation for posting in the first place. Drawn down to semantics. Perhaps not semantics.. rather, TMI
Rather...perhaps I was just RIGHT? And Holyflare was WRONG. And Tictock was either wrong or scum. Yeah...that makes for an extremely simple explanation of things, in place of "TMI."
But hey, if you want to claim "TMI" for my townread and defense of Exo, then you don't need to stop there. Keep digging in my filter, and I promise you'll find moooorrrre of it, because Exo was one of my Top 2 townreads in the whole friggin' game.
If the original town indicator wasn't enough for others, I have no idea why they still wouldn't decide he was Town after the most convincing continuous string of dumbtown posts I may ever have seen. Page after page, he had me chuckling through a facepalm, and eventually rsoul got so fed up with him that she (while saying she didn't think he was scum) made a post that essentially read like "I don't want to tell you that you're an idiot who can't read....BUT...."
I felt a little bit bad for her, but mostly I felt bad for Vivax, if Vivax was scum, and Exo was the guy he was going to try and push, that day. Because Exo's posting I felt made him a million percent lynchproof. It would have been doubly bad for scum Vivax because multiple players were saying that Exo and Kelsier (the other guy Vivax was pushing) appeared to be the same alignment. Such that Exo accidentally tripping and falling into a vat of neon green paint was going to render Vivax's other target lynchproof as well. Alas, Vivax was Town, so all this potential hilarity was for naught.
Anyway, you acted bummed that your top townread (Vivax) was killed last night. I'm pretty much in that same boat...thanks to YOU. So if you're a Town vigilante, then you're one in the hole, with that shot. Try not to get yourself two in the hole by contributing to my mislynch today. How can I help you keep from doing that?
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On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I provided 3 meaningful discussion points? Maybe discuss them? ONE person has made ONE comment on ONE of the 3 of them.
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On March 23 2018 18:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2018 17:37 rsoultin wrote:
NK I could definitely lynch if he doesn't pull out his town god he's been bragging about all this time lol ><
I can tell you about this mafia god town play. Gets poceted super hard by 2/3 mafia D1. Tunnels one of the only two people who try to lynch mafia in the game. Gets lynched D1.
Hahahaha. As I mentioned before, I have only been lynched D1 ONE time, in all my years of playing these games. ONE.
In that ONE game, I posted exactly TWO names in the voting thread. They were BOTH SCUM. I was mislynched Day 1 (YOUR fault), and you did NOT manage to win without me.
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On March 23 2018 18:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 07:29 Palmar wrote:On March 22 2018 07:25 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2018 19:48 Palmar wrote:
I'm going with a rather strict "vote on a case" policy this game On March 22 2018 05:43 Palmar wrote:
Throwing down a vote on disfo just so I get a vote out there. I don't remember why I thought he could be mafia but I don't really care. On March 22 2018 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
*thumbs up* Good post. I am not sure why n00bking decided to change posting style the past 12hours, but its working for me. Overall: not a concern to me anymore. This is not a good post, it's just him taking things at face value. I still haven't read more than half the game and I don't feel strongly enough about anyone being mafia to build a case myself, and no one else is pushing any kind of a case. So what does he expect, that I just don't vote at all? It's probably the most scummy post that noobking has made because he's creating something out of nothing. I'm voting on tone reads right now. disfo sounded off in the early game. Show nested quote +On March 22 2018 21:55 Palmar wrote:To clarify to slower than normal people: a) rayn's point is very good. This post here: On March 20 2018 17:23 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:On March 20 2018 12:27 n00bKing wrote:On March 20 2018 12:16 ykl wrote:
instead makes a quick side track to challenge Ticktock instead. Nervous about something? Yeah, slightly. Nice deflect though, would you still want to address why you choose to completely ignore the person that's scum reading and voting for you? "Still?" I don't think I ever offered any indication that I was interested in addressing that. If I end up having something to say to Conversion, I'll do so. On March 20 2018 13:20 ykl wrote:
I'm also having a hard time seeing where you are voting for makes sense. You apparently scumread both me and disformation but never really provided a good explanation as to why you think Koshi's vote on disformation is a good case at all to the point where you'd follow that vote instead. "Instead?" Like, instead of following some other vote? Which vote was I supposed to follow "instead?" Is noobking being obtuse with wording that literally everyone would have understood easily. ykl is complaining that noobking votes disfo instead of following his own leads on disfo and ykl himself. But instead of answering the question noobking chooses to be an ass about it. Then in the post about me:
s it *possible* for someone to say that, and ALSO mean it? Yeah, it's possible. But the presence of the word "actually" directly reduces the chance that Palmar believes what he is saying. And increases the chance that he is scum, does not find what you said to be interesting or worthwhile at all, but will nevertheless take the opportunity to cast aspersions at me, simply because I'm not on the scum roster.
He's bitching about me using the word actually. This is even on a surface level straight up scummy because this is not how you toneread. You can't just assume that all people talk the same. (I've tried to lynch LS for bad grammar, it's a terrible idea). But just to prove this to be a bullshit read without a doubt, here are some highlights from the last game I played: On December 14 2017 00:22 Palmar wrote:
This is actually kinda slam dunk here. On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.
His filter is basically empty. Note that if you search my name and actually, it turns out I use that word incredibly often, but I chose these two posts as an example because it's very similar situations, I'm using "actually" to describe my realization that something is worth noticing, or as an emphasis that I'm having a realization. So not only is it a baseless and stupid accusation, it's very easily verifiable that it means nothing, something noobking clearly had no interest in doing. Even if I see people post smilies, I just go search through the last games and stuff to find out if that's just how they talk, or if it's relevant. The problem is that noobking is trying to stir shit with something that isn't shit. And he does it repeatedly. This is actually a great case Oh and this part: That said, I have no interest in eliminating Palmar from the game at this time, because several of his other posts (particularly ones during this Night Phase) reveal to me that he has a better-than-average understanding of the game mechanics and strategy. He understands the limitations on Day 1 scumhunting, he understands the reduced value of certain roleclaims, he understands the difference between a townlean/townread and "more likely to be town than scum." If he's town, he should eventually prove a strong asset in unraveling the game. I agree with this part. Although "better-than-average" is perhaps an unnecessarily weak description of my prowess. I'd have preferred something like "world-class". We're killing noobking today. I kinda want to point out that half the game has voted for NK or called him mafia (ff, conversion, rayn, moosey, ticktock, mocsta, disfo, me etc) but there seems to be a lot of resistance to building an actual wagon on him. Like why am I throwing down the first vote here? HF scumread him since day 1. I think it would be a grand idea to pile some votes onto noobking.
Zzzzzz. I refuted your points already. With room to spare.
"HF scumread him since day 1?" Yeah, and then realized he probably shouldn't be, BEFORE the end of Day 1.
On March 23 2018 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't think his later posting resembled his last mafia game so I backed off it. So did the majority of other people.
He apparently also realized he shouldn't be scumreading me at the end of Night 1 either. Since he posts a lynch progression that continues to start with Mocsta, says that if Mocsta is Town, "lynch Tictock 10/10 times" and then says to move on to Fecalfeast. You don't see my name in that progression. What you do see is him saying that Palmar is playing his mafia meta so far, but that he wants to see more before making a decision on you.
Now, does HF not scumreading me anymore make me town? No. Does him saying you're playing your mafia meta make you scum? No. There's no reason why Holyflare necessarily has to have ANY clue what he's talking about. But you damn sure can't act like there should have been votes on me already, using a basis of "HF scumread him since Day 1"
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