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If I die tonight, and Koshi flips scum: You are probably living in an alternate reality, because that makes no sense. But, in that alternate reality, I would say DF is the partner. I didn't check for this real closely in the respective filters of Vivax and DF, because for a lot of the phase, I didnt think we would really end up killing Koshi, and then once we decided we were, I still didn't think he was scum anyway. BUT, from what I saw, it looks like Vivax is down for killing Koshi from the get-go, and DF only comes along when he almost has to.
If I die tonight, and Koshi flips town: Umm....lynch Holyflare? Yeah...lynch Holyflare. I could envision him *maybe* killing me just because he's sick of me, and if the plan had been to get me townkilled instead of killing me themselves (which sure looked like the plan) then he may be losing faith in that plan, as most of the people who were suspicious of me earlier have started to shift back the other way. If he then flips red, Koshi's "tinfoil" theory of HF/Vivax makes sense to me, so I would start with Vivax, and see how you like his answers. If HF should flip Green, then I guess I owe him a beer or something. Scum team should be Moosy and DF. If this sounds like the same ol' shit I been saying all Phase...that's only because it is.
Ooh, done typing with a whole minute to spare this time!
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Well this makes things easy.
##Vote: darthfoley
Only scum would withhold information the town needs by hiding it behind so many spoiler tags.
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On March 12 2018 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
Now I just need to get good lol >< DF is also confirmed town barring extreme crazy scum plays when they could have just taken it down to 4v2. Scum doesn't claim that prior to flip unless they hold their shot and know there won't be any nk.
"Mafia cannot hold their shot"
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On March 12 2018 08:11 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 08:10 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
Now I just need to get good lol >< DF is also confirmed town barring extreme crazy scum plays when they could have just taken it down to 4v2. Scum doesn't claim that prior to flip unless they hold their shot and know there won't be any nk. "Mafia cannot hold their shot" \o/ Sweet. Now there's 8 of us and we're looking for 2 scum in 6.
Ohhhh....I just realized they could attack Koshi though. That is effectively the same as holding their shot.
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On March 12 2018 08:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 08:13 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 08:11 rsoultin wrote:On March 12 2018 08:10 n00bKing wrote:On March 12 2018 08:09 rsoultin wrote:
Now I just need to get good lol >< DF is also confirmed town barring extreme crazy scum plays when they could have just taken it down to 4v2. Scum doesn't claim that prior to flip unless they hold their shot and know there won't be any nk. "Mafia cannot hold their shot" \o/ Sweet. Now there's 8 of us and we're looking for 2 scum in 6. Ohhhh....I just realized they could attack Koshi though. That is effectively the same as holding their shot. Also true. So I guess it's not 100% confirmed that df is town, but still seems strange that they'd go for one kill instead of two.
I agree, very strange. If flips don't go how we want them to, I'll do some math, and see if a play like that could sow enough confusion to get the mislynches they need without having that kill last night. But it's way outside the box, so not worrying about it for now.
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On March 12 2018 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
noobking you're actually joking right
Yes.
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
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On March 12 2018 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
To be really honest I think the best play here is to not lynch vivax.
Well no, especially not if you're his partner, right?
On March 12 2018 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
We kill into the VTs (slam) and then we get ff/df to heal vivax, nk to heal rsoul and vivax to heal df.
I'll look at this later, to see if it makes any sense.
Later, folks!
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Don't think the wall of text defending Vivax was a good post, rsoul.
Not that you're wrong about things, and not that I'm scumreading you for it or anything (I'm definitely not), I just think the timing was bad.
This happened:
On March 12 2018 08:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
There are actually variables where vivax isn't mafia but his shenanigans at deadline heavily suggest otherwise. I agree but frankly I'm not giving Vivax anything more to help him wiggle out. If he's town it's on him to figure it out himself.
And then you end up helping him, instead of leaving it on him to figure it out himself. My gut instinct was that following the Koshi plan of continuing to lynch into the VTs would still be the best plan for today, and that it's what we should end up doing. BUT, I dumped my vote on Vivax anyway, to pile on, add to his panic, make him feel like he can only escape the noose by explaining how he isn't caught here, and see if he can come up with good answers, instead of bad answers (or maybe is content to just give up and twist in the wind). I don't think alleviating the pressure on him was the best move, when there was still SO much time in the Phase. The pile of votes on Vivax didn't mean he was being "auto'd" with nothing else happening today.
On March 12 2018 10:17 rsoultin wrote:
Viva could be playing dumb or reckless scum but that's strange for me.
How strange is it? I think someone had said much earlier in the game that Vivax is just not a good scum player. I think that was even part of the reason why he was supposed to be a good afk lynch, right? That if scum, he might just bail on the game, because he's not very good at playing as scum anyway?
And I'm not sure that his self-defense today was going too well for him. You directly asked him who he healed last night, and he didn't answer. His answers to other questions continued to imply that Moosy was his target, but he didn't ever come right out and confirm it, leaving himself the option to later say "whoa, I never promised you guys for sure that I targeted Moosy" if things play out so that it's better for him to claim that he targeted someone else. And now it won't mean as much for him to say it directly, if he's pretty sure he's making it through this Phase alive anyway.
It's much like the way he handled the Night phase, saying:
On March 12 2018 06:03 Vivax wrote:
I think the other medic claims should take a look at moosy or sell me another target that isn't HF since if we aren't doing Moosy tonight I'm going to flip a coin between two targets at my discretion.
After that point, he keeps telling us that his action is still on Moosy, but never guarantees that he's not going to move it with that coin flip.
You also get other weird posts, like this:
On March 12 2018 08:37 Vivax wrote:
It's obviously Moosy cause FF obviously is mafia. Cause it's bullshit that FF pretends to not have been around during EoD when he was around during EoD 1.
And with FFs assumption that I was healing moosy and Koshi was dead man walking, he chose to just kill Koshi when he could have killed Moosy on top of him, but they are teammates.
What kind of tunnel does a town player have to be in, to decide that a player can't be absent for EoD 2 just because they were here for EoD1? That just doesn't make any sense, for a rationally-thinking Town player. He's either being irrational or he has a reason for saying it that doesn't match the Town's win condition.
He also can't seem to decide what Moosy's survival means. During Night, he seems to think that if Moosy lives it'll mean Moosy and I are scum. During Day, he seems to think that Moosy surviving means Moosy and FF are scum. Except for when he thinks that maybe Moosy is Town...and the scum didn't believe that Vivax was really going to turn in a heal on Moosy...so they attacked him?
On March 12 2018 08:11 Vivax wrote:
For all we know they can have shot moosy as well.
So the missing death from last night isn't because DF saved rsoul, it's because Vivax saved Moosy. Vivax is the real hero medic! Ummm....yeah, doesn't seem...real...likely.
We might have seen all kinds of more weirdness from Vivax like this, if we'd held his feet to the flames a little longer.
TL;DR - Vivax's defense to this point hasn't been very good, and that's without even needing the wall-of-text cases against him from Moosy and DF. Additionally, if HF should end up being the VT scum, I'll be able to show 1,001 reasons why it makes Vivax the teammate. Koshi was probably picking up on a lot of the same things, which is why he told us the team was HF/Vivax on his way out.
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Anyway, I ran the numbers again, and yes, the mass claim still directs us to lynching in the VT pool.
If we lynch into the VT pool and we're wrong, having the extra town medic alive near the end (even if we aren't sure who it is) still gives us extra options in the last night phase, that we won't have if we've lynched into the medics and been wrong. The vig shot remains an option longer, and there are more scenarios where hero saves are something for the mafia to worry about. If we lynch wrong into the medics, we're hamstrung. No options, no sneaky plays for mafia to try and sniff out.
So, ##Unvote
On March 12 2018 19:27 Holyflare wrote:
I've somehow poed myself as mafia
I'm good with that conclusion. The circumstantial evidence against Vivax only makes you more likely to be scum, and not less.
##Vote: Holyflare
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On March 12 2018 19:56 rsoultin wrote:
That's a long post to call me bad, noob, lol ><
There's nothing about you in the TL;DR! heh.
I understand you not wanting an "auto-lynch" day, and you've explained that you might not be here all that much for the rest of the phase, so maybe you wouldn't have been able to help prevent an auto-lynch day unless you did it now. I just think there was some value to be had in watching him squirm more, and seeing if he could mount a reasonable defense to keep himself out of the noose, or just dug himself a bigger hole. I would have prevented the "auto-lynch" day.
I don't have time now to ponder what you are HF are parsing through, with regard to Night plans, but I'll comment on it later. (And before you even say it again, Holyflare, YEAH, I am gonna scumread you and yet ALSO analyze your suggestions, and consider whether they could help. Just because I think your posts late in the D2 phase hemorrhage scumminess doesn't mean I can't also look at scenarios where I could possibly be mistaken. Additionally, it's possible for scum players to make suggestions that actually DO favor the Town. It would be new for you to make a town-favored suggestion, but hey, first time for everything!)
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On March 12 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote:
to be clear, I think Vivax is scum not just because of last night. Rather, because his defense today has seemed all over the place trying to throw theories at the wall to see what sticks. Plus my case against him regarding his interactions/read progression on prplhz D1 that only Koshi seemed to read and Vivax never even tried to defend himself against.
lol, I read it. I even just mentioned it! (free plug for you, I want a cut of your take!)
On March 12 2018 20:11 darthfoley wrote:
I also agree with n00bking that today wasn't gonna be an auto lynch. I mean yesterday wasn't an auto lynch but you still had people like Vivax and Moosy who kept talking about how they have no interest in the game considering it's a mechanics based solution.
And wouldn't you agree that HF was defending their perspective on that?
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On March 12 2018 20:12 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:
There's just this constant 'I don't understand the setup' stuff coming from Moosy that I don't care for. I saw it in his scum games when I was going through them yesterday to check Noob's meta claims. Though tbf that's one of the things on my list to double-check with him tomorrow when I have more time, because I haven't confirmed that that's alignment indicative. Yea, his "is there any world in which Vivax/NK are scum together? I haven't bothered to read the OP!" was a terrible attempt at a dumb tell. like really bad
He's gone to that well multiple times, because he also asked me if he and HF were my scum team.
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On March 12 2018 05:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Also noobking, do you think vivax is scum or not.
Yes. I think the most likely scenario is that Koshi was correct, and that Vivax is HF's partner.
On March 13 2018 12:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
:/ Man i townread both slam and holy I don't want to kill them here still
Do better. I forgot that I promised I would tell you that you suck, in rayn's stead. You suck, Moosy. Do better.
You may have townread them both before, but now you need to figure out which one of them is the VT scum. We can't perform the Vivax lynch you want unless we are way more sure he's the fake medic than we are about who is the VT scum. (And I mean WAY...MORE...SURE.)
Sadly, the ONLY really important post made by anyone in the entire time I was gone, was this one from Vivax himself (bolding/underlining added for emphasis):
On March 12 2018 23:23 Vivax wrote:
Why are you people still discussing lynching into the PRs before finding the scum in the VTs as was the plan all along?
If you want to be incredibly stupid and prefer to lose town power roles over vanillas, then go ahead. But then don't expect me to put in a shred of effort if I know you are ready to throw the game by voting for me. It's also fucking pointless to defend myself or go read your wrong shit about me cause of the above reason and if I know you are dumb enough to lynch a medic today then you are also dumb enough that my defense wouldn't change anything.
Yes I'm triggered.
Yetserday we were deciding between 5 VTs, today we got it down to the same amount as we have medics and hence there is only one correct play and everyone is still arguing about medic lynches.
So all this day should be between HF, Moosy, Slam fighting it out and you know where I stand. And yes I would lynch HF last.
He is exactly right. Day 3 should be all-out WAR between HF, Moosy and Slam to figure out which of them should be the lynch. And then the rest of us weigh the evidence and pick our sides. This is what matters. And if it's a HF/Vivax team, then the reason he's *willing* to remind us that we're supposed to lynch into the VTs is obvious: He thinks that if we lynched into the medics, we'd be more likely to lynch him than we are to lynch Holyflare if we picked a VT. HF, meanwhile, has been ALL about lynching into the medics...until today, when Vivax suddenly became the medic who is clearly the most scumread, and had an avalanche of votes fall onto him at the start of the Phase. Then he tells us there are possibilities where the Night results don't make Vivax scum, and now he magically is willing to get on-board with lynching into the VTs, even if it means killing Moosy, who had been a PERENNIAL townread for him, and whose odds of being Town shot UP dramatically with the new information that points to DF being Town. I said at the end of Night 2 that the scum team was probably either Moosy/DF or HF/Vivax. Koshi said the scum team is HF/Vivax. N2 results then showed us that DF is probably Town, which means the voting record tells us Moosy is probably Town. The N2 results ALSO gave us new reasons to scumread Vivax. Yet HF suddenly no longer wants to lynch into the medics, and is ready to lynch Moosy straight through his long-standing townread of him. And Vivax, though reminding us we should lynch a VT claim, doesn't want to lynch Holyflare, either. How is this difficult, people?
On March 13 2018 12:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
People who think Holyflare is mafia here can you please explain why to me.
Oh yes. That's comin.
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On March 12 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:
There's just this constant 'I don't understand the setup' stuff coming from Moosy that I don't care for. I saw it in his scum games when I was going through them yesterday to check Noob's meta claims. Though tbf that's one of the things on my list to double-check with him tomorrow when I have more time, because I haven't confirmed that that's alignment indicative.
On March 13 2018 12:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
it's NAI. I'm actually notorious for not giving a shit about setup and being bad with it.
Can confirm. Played multiple games with (Town) Moosy, and he repeatedly failed to know/understand the rules & roles, even though they're sitting right there in the OP.
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On March 13 2018 00:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2018 00:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 13 2018 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Slam why do you think Noob is mafia over FF? I'm not able to pick one at this point. Because noob is textbook scum I don’t know how anyone else is missing it. I believe it. He isn't interested in doing plans until I say them and then he just argues about how it's not THE BEST plan but still a plan. Pointless arguments for the sake of it is definitely mafia.
Sure, sure, HF. Arguing is definitely mafia, but directly trying to improve the chances of mafia WINNING THE GAME is not, huh? You pushing a mafia agenda is just "you being you" but me arguing AGAINST someone pushing a mafia agenda, THAT'S scummy, huh? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
It's a lie to say that I'm not interested in doing any plans. I've consistently been very interested in doing a plan: THE plan that came from the mass claim! Do I then come up with additional plans? No! Because that plan is the BEST one.
You resisted the town-favored mass claim, and then once the mass claim gave us a clear path to winning the game, you kept trying to veer us off that path, and make things harder for ourselves. Were my arguments against your plans "pointless?" NO! The point of arguing against your scum-favored plans was to make sure they WEREN'T USED. And it WORKED! Your ridiculous "let's help the mafia" plans WEREN'T USED. You tried to lynch into the medic claims on Day 2, I was able to stop you. You then tried to say the medics should aim into each other during Night 2, and I was able to stop you again. You then tried to say the medics should all heal separate targets, so that our medics would be neutered and the only result from the Night Phase would be mafia killing a Town player while we all stood around and watched, and I was able to stop you a THIRD time.
The reason I'm not interesting in coming up with new plans until you bring them up is that we already had the RIGHT one all along. And the way I've managed to keep us on that proper path is by ARGUING with you about how your plans are WORSE than that one, and keeping people from falling for your scum-favored antics. I've had help from rsoul and Koshi in shooting down your terrible suggestions, but they *were* terrible and I *have* shot them down.
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@Alakaslam: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum?
@Vivax: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum?
@Holyflare: Why are you voting against Moosy? Why is he scum? He was supposed to be a townread of yours, what happened?
No wait, I already know the answer to that last one. You're voting against Moosy today (despite townreading him all this time) because you think that after he flips town, it'll be easier to get Alakaslam shot on N3, than the other way around.
If Moosy is lynched today and flips town, who here has confidence in Alakaslam winning the war of words against HF on N3, and making HF the N3 VT kill, instead of it being himself? Nope, you fools will probably let HF lead you around by the noses again, make Alakaslam the N3 kill, watch him flip town just like Moosy did, and that will be the 4th and fatal mistake that Koshi told you that you couldn't afford to make. Because you had FOUR shots in the VT pool and missed them ALL, because you couldn't open your eyes and put HF in this noose, despite all of the ways he's tried to HELP...the MAFIA...WIN.
Holyflare told you all that he'd solved who the VT scum was, and that it was Koshi. Go back and read HF's stated reasons for scumreading Koshi. They're GARBAGE. But whaddya know? HF was able to convince Vivax & FF to make Koshi their target anyway, and then FF afk'd EoN which tied our hands, and Koshi died. And flipped town.
Holyflare told you Moosy is town, and that it was Koshi and not Moosy who should be killed on N2. Why kill Koshi ahead of Moosy? Because just as HF's ideas and plans are bad for town, Koshi's were GOOD for town. Go back and read HF's stated reasons for townreading Moosy. They, too, are GARBAGE. Why are his reasons for townreading Moosy garbage? So he can toss them aside, once it becomes convenient to do so!
I even TOLD ALL OF YOU that this would happen, ALL the way back on Page 63, when I first posted the case against Holyflare (which you should read again, because not a word of it has been disproven. Here's the relevant excerpt to this particular point though:
On March 11 2018 14:43 n00bKing wrote:
In case the shot ends up going into the VTs, he wants to make sure it doesn't hit him. Ideally, it wouldn't hit Moosy, either, so that Moosy can be the Day 3 lynch.
Boy, did I call it or WHAT? Somehow I KNEW that even despite HF's townread on Moosy, he would wind up trying to get Moosy lynched on D3 anyway, once Koshi was out of the way. And he's doing exactly what I said a scum HF would do, even though the N2 results gave him an excuse to FINALLY lynch into the medics and go after Vivax, and even though the N2 results are town-indicative for Moosy.
Wake up, wake up, wake up!
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@rsoul: Why are you voting Moosy? What makes Moosy scum?
I posted my case against Moosy, and you checked on my association case with him and prpl by investigating his other scum games (the ones that were more recent than the ones I'd seen him in) and told me that his behavior toward prpl in this game didn't really match with his behavior regarding his scummates in his other scum games. Weakening the association case. I didn't have to be bummed out about it though, if it just meant the case on HF is the right one instead.
You and I talked through how it's odd for Moosy not to push DF into that Noose on D1, if Moosy were scum and DF were town. We determined that the voting pattern is town-indicative for Moosy, but ONLY if DF is actually Town, and we couldn't know that for sure, so we had to throw it out.
Well now, after the N2 results, we have a new reason to trust DF, and consequently a new reason to townread Moosy. Why would you vote him out, over HF?
During N2, you said one of the reasons you'd rather get HF shot than someone else is you were afraid that if HF were the VT scum, he'd be tougher to get into a Noose than other players. As scum, he's better-than-average at talking his way out of a Noose, right? That's what the fear was, right?
On March 11 2018 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
And I need to figure out whether it should be HF or moosy @.@ I'm kind of inclined to say HF for the awful reason that I think if I'm the nk he doesn't get lynched/shot ever and autowins.
What do you think you're watching right now???
And when Moosy flips town today, do you really think it's going to get EASIER to eliminate HF, when the player opposite him on N3 is Alakaslam?
After all was said and done, and the N2 Phase wound down, you said this to HF:
On March 12 2018 07:10 rsoultin wrote:
gun to my head, I think you're the most likely non-claim to flip scum here.
You had tried to get him to explain why he was scumreading Koshi, and you didn't like his answers. You had tried to get him to explain why he was townreading Vivax (and giving him a pass for his reduced activity) and you didn't like his answers. Good reasons for HF to want you gone. Good reasons for Vivax to want you gone.
Again, that earlier quote from you says that you're especially worried that a scum HF wouldn't ever get pushed into the Noose, if YOU were no longer around to help facilitate it. "if I'm the nk" you said. Well guess what? We have reason to believe that the mafia DID try to kill you last night.
How does any of what happened on N2 make a HF/Vivax team less likely than it was before? How does any of what happened on N2 make a scum Moosy more likely than it was before? Why is your vote where it is?
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On March 13 2018 14:00 Alakaslam wrote:
So
Throwing down some unexpected plays
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
Progress! Let's goooooo
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On March 13 2018 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's used koshi's read on me/vivax to further his narrative when koshi even admits I was town for being annoying.
False. Why would you even bother wasting the time to type trash like this? Everyone knows what Koshi's outgoing thoughts were, after you scumread him for awful reasons. It looks like THIS:
On March 12 2018 07:53 Koshi wrote:
HF and Vivax bois. Just lynch and vigi them. START WITH HF
Go ahead and explain how that post is Koshi "admitting you are Town." We'll wait.
On March 13 2018 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
He's saying my big mafia plan is to lynch moosy today so I can fight it out with slam tomorrow and we never lynch vivax when my plan that I've repeatedly said today has been to lynch myself after moosy and then when medics have to kill into each other the first medic they kill is vivax.
Your big mafia plan IS to lynch Moosy today so you can fight it out with Slam Night 3. Your Night 3 plan for when Moosy flips town is NOT to have medics kill into each other and start with Vivax. Your Night 3 plan for when Moosy flips town is to kill one of the VTs. Your plan is FF & DF on a VT claim, Vivax on rsoul, me on DF. That doesn't kill Vivax. That kills a VT claim. So after Moosy flips town, the question will be: which VT claim should be killed? You or Alakaslam? So yes, that fight with Slam is EXACTLY where your Moosy lynch leads to, which is why I was able to accurately PREDICT you would do this, before we even REACHED this Phase!
On March 13 2018 16:59 Holyflare wrote:
Not only did I try and get the medics onto a consensus yesterday TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN PLAN but I tried to propose plans that narrowed down the vt pool quicker to avoid this exact scenario and keep loads of confirmed town alive.
You DID NOT want the medics to follow the plan. The plan was to kill one of the VT claims. You tried to KEEP us from following that plan, with not one, but TWO ideas that would have been WORSE. First you suggested a plan that had the medics killing each other, and when I (and Koshi, and rsoul) shouted you down, you next came up with your plan that all of the medics heal separate targets, rendering all of them useless and giving the mafia a clean killshot at ZERO risk. BOTH of your plans gave the mafia NEW ways to win that they wouldn't otherwise have. Koshi wanted us to have a consensus and follow the plan. So did rsoul. So did I. YOU, however, offered TWO alternatives that would have been worse than following the plan, and did not acquiesce until the Phase was nearly over.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
I said to myself on day 2 when rsoul posted her crap case that whoever starts to hop onto it looks like really opportune mafia in a shit spot that needs a push to latch onto and here we are.
My case against you involves a ton of different things beyond what she initially disliked about your play. Trying to pretend that what I'm doing here is "hopping onto" the case she made is absurd, and I expect she'd be happy to tell you so herself.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Think back to every point in this game where somebody proposes a meta read on somebody else and instead of indulging it nk simply asks "is that true everybody?" and then forgets all about the read. Now look at how he treats this read on me. Rsoul gave up her push on day 2 citing that I do this as town and she's been wrong and it might mean nothing. Did he do the usual questioning then? Absolutely not. He has just pushed this forever.
You seem confused. The answer to your question isn't "Absolutely not." The answer to your question is "Yes." Of course I did the usual questioning then. rsoul saying "you do this as town" was about only a SINGLE element of the case against you. It is not a counter-point to ANY of the many OTHER things I have presented that make you scum. You seem so proud of repeating over and over again that she "gave up her push" on you. I guess you forgot how even at the end of N2, she STILL told you yet again (as I just quoted a few posts up) that she thinks you're the VT claim who is most likely to flip scum?
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Then look at when Koshi has said the same thing. "hf is town because he's so annoying and it makes me mad". That's the koshi read I look for in a town koshi and he said it.
Boy, you've made TWO problems for yourself in this one. Firstly, if that's the read you look for in a town koshi, and he said it, then why did you still want him DEAD? lol And secondly, in the post you mention about you making him mad (which you did NOT quote verbatim, because it does NOT say "hf is town"), that SAME post also included THIS:
On March 11 2018 22:48 Koshi wrote:
If only I die. Lynch HF.
Is THAT clear enough for you? If not, go back to the quote from him above, where he exited the game saying that he believes the scum team is you and Vivax, and that we should lynch YOU first.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
when we were deciding who to medic last night NOBODY CAME UP WITH ANYTHING. Two of the medics did not want to lynch me and they didn't seem convinced. I seemed like the only player in the game who actually wanted to follow this shitty plan that's so good. Nk instead didn't care and still tried to get me medic killed instead.
False. Medics came up with things. They just didn't all come up with the same thing. It's complete bullshit to say I "didn't care" about following the plan, and tried to get you medic killed "instead." I tried to get you medic killed BY following the plan. YOU were one of the viable targets for the plan. I tried to make you the kill. When the other medics would not cooperate, I fell in line and followed the plan ANYWAY, even though I didn't get the target I wanted. I NEVER suggested going outside the plan, and using a worse idea instead. That was YOU. TWICE.
On March 13 2018 17:08 Holyflare wrote:
Then I proposed a target. Me. His mafia read. The guy he won't stop talking about. And he just went for that guy instead?????? Where's the logic in this? Stubborn mule just sheeps his scum read to night kill who the mafia wanted to kill. Doesn't make a single bit of sense. When I called him out on it he just said "we needed a consensus obviously" but he didn't care about that previously, didn't try and night kill moosy, his other actual scum read and didn't even PROPOSE we kill moosy.
All lies, top to bottom. Your "proposed target" had already BEEN proposed BEFORE you did it. Acting like I was "sheeping my scum read" is complete horseshit. Yes I said we needed a consensus. Yes, I DID care about that previously (and EVERY step of the way). Yes, I would have participated in a consensus on Slam, but it was because that was at least better than taking the consensus on Koshi who YOU were so spectacularly "wrong" to label as the scum VT. YES, I proposed a kill on Moosy, and when we neared the deadline, I directly asked DF if he was on board for the Moosy kill. I made my preferred kill order PLAINLY obvious for everyone. OBSERVE:
On March 12 2018 06:20 n00bKing wrote:
Kill HF > Kill Moosy > Kill Slam
Anyone who goes back and reads N2 will see that I consistently and clearly argued for the consensus (since that WAS the plan) and they'll all see that I clearly gave a preferred kill order. Who did I NOT want to kill, of the VTs? Koshi and rsoul. Who did YOU want dead, of the VTs? Koshi. What allegiance was he? Town.
On March 13 2018 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
I also coordinated the medics onto prplhz.????
lol, who didn't? There was universal agreement for the medics to coordinate on prplhz, AFTER I shut down Vivax's suggestion of splitting the medics. I stopped him from screwing things up N1 just like I stopped you from screwing things up N2. Thank goodness I'm around to stop the 2 players who try to give the mafia an advantage. And though Vivax said he had a bad feeling that prplhz was gonna flip town, DF said that given the low activity in the game there probably wasn't time to safely change the target, the kill stuck, and prplhz died.
On March 13 2018 17:28 Holyflare wrote:
Let's not forget noobking's argument on me is that I want to kill moosy now so it's just me against slam tomorrow BUT IF IT WAS UP TO ME SLAM WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD.
lol, that's just ONE of my many arguments against you. I don't think you'll be fooling anyone into actually believing you wanted Slam killed instead of Koshi, when you repeatedly fingered Koshi as the VT scum. And if you wish Slam was already dead, then by what sorcery did your Day 3 vote end up on Moosy instead, after I plainly predicted that after killing town koshi, you would then try to have Moosy lynched on Day 3, EVEN THOUGH you'd been consistently townreading Moosy for Phase after Phase? Isn't it amazing how I can say "Here is how HF will later contradict himself if he's scum" and then everyone gets to see it happen?
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On March 13 2018 17:34 Holyflare wrote:This was evidently a lie
Evidently so. I guess your partner wouldn't give you permission to scoop? But don't worry, if that post from you was a lie, it fits right in with your other posts.
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