[M][N] Vendée Globe 16' Mafia

On February 06 2018 06:27 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

Why stir rhis by voting.

Why not see it out?

Im confused by what you could meaningfully expect to achieve ?

On February 06 2018 11:38 darthfoley wrote:


I don't think either of you look particularly townie, but she looks scummy. I kind of skip past lots of your wall of text posts.

Fwiw I think conversion's intro sounded kind of forced but the way rsoultin called it out seemed scummy. Like something opportunistic mafia might latch onto to have "something."

Waiting for half the game to play. I don't really have any Town reads yet

On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?

On February 06 2018 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't like her follow up. I agree with that much. I just think your initial points were overblown and I wanted to see if it was pointless pressure or not.

On February 06 2018 18:50 rsoultin wrote:


You're making it impossible for me to get a read off you, btw

On February 06 2018 20:13 rsoultin wrote:


I get this to an extent because my brother used a similar method, but not with the hands-off approach you're taking. It still bugs me that for someone with limited reads you're not actively doing something about it, even if I can see the different play-style argument of must wait to pressure until x certainty. But you go ahead and be you.

On February 06 2018 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
Let me rephrase so that this is easier to understand, then.

What does scum 'light' comment even mean?

On February 06 2018 11:59 Trfel wrote:
You take this more seriously than Mocsta's drawing attention to rsoultin's comment about the serial killer?

On February 07 2018 03:47 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually kinda tempted to sheep Conversion on this one...

On February 07 2018 08:54 Mocsta wrote:
Again. why jump to worst-conclusions.
Im saying im considering it because I dont like people are joining me on rsoultin for my reasons - but treating it as their own.
The fact that multiple people are doing it, is the only thing that makes me comfortable (as in it indicates i communicated very poorly, vs. malicious intent).

Pray tell me though.
Do you see anything towny about damdred so far?
Flu or not.
Very delayed response that says extermely little. Even his first post last game was better.

On February 07 2018 18:00 rsoultin wrote:


I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him.

I'd like a more thorough description of why.

Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol

On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.

On February 06 2018 11:50 darthfoley wrote:


1. Rsoultin latched onto something opportunistic
2. She got defensive and pissy with questions to answer questions when called out
3. She hasn't really started snooping/being cocky yet (game is very young so this isn't a truly fair point)

On February 08 2018 05:13 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn/Damdred don't look very good tbh.

Rayn committed to df/rsoultin only when it's very close
Damdred votes rsoultin last minute when it's very close

On February 08 2018 05:22 darthfoley wrote:


I thought it was 4v3 and HF voted after you made it 4v4. Hadn't checked tbf. Interesting

On February 08 2018 05:31 Conversion wrote:
I am back from my meeting. I am glad it was shorter than intended.

I am also happy that we flipped mafia, however I guess I might look bad for waffling at the end. I'm not sure if people pointed that out yet.

I am questioning why HF thinks I am typing like a mafia person. This is the second time he has mentioned it. I am trying out a new play style that does not involve me being a drama queen, maybe that is why? Are you going to set up for my mislynch later on in the game?

I have some notes written based on rsoultin/mderg flip. I will share the relevant one. Not sure how meaningful it is.

+ Show Spoiler [mderg flips scum notes] +

On February 08 2018 07:31 Koshi wrote:

k. Mderg played "poor" but if you are town he made you look so bad. wow... you are almost an autolynch.

That being said. I have not seen a mafia look so incredible fucking horrible while a teammate was getting lynched. The "too scummy to be scum" heuristic is here in full force.

On February 08 2018 12:01 Conversion wrote:


no one cares dude. your read progression on me is trash. fuck off and find the two other mafia you useless cunt

On February 08 2018 03:06 Damdred wrote:
Mderg I sort of feel your read on basedgodkoshi is a bit... underwhelming. I think Koshi has on the surface decent points (i disagree with him because your list in review looks the same as last game somewhat.) so I dont necessarily scum level of koshi laziness or going along with the thread sentiment.

Tina why you talk to me that way when i havent even been hostile as of yet?

Mocata why is me being absent so acum indicative exactly? Seems strange.

Honestly to the thread Mocsta is botgering me a bit honestly the last bit ive read. He pushed Tina pretty hard but ended up elsewhere while soft pushing me so far. Just tickles me in a bad way.

On February 09 2018 06:06 prplhz wrote:
What happened to lynching Conversion? Right now Damdred has the most votes.

On February 09 2018 20:59 Mocsta wrote:
its only against the rules if the same from the host.

Get over it

This is what brings you to thread. Pfft

On February 10 2018 08:34 rsoultin wrote:

Rayn is absolutely not town and I'll Lord it over you forever (Or until I forget lol)

On February 10 2018 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

idk what you mean, can you elaborate more?

On February 08 2018 04:25 Damdred wrote:
I could probably lynch Mocsta/prp/ maybe mderg

The more I communicate with you tina the mbre i think you might be town. Mderg is a maybe he has some thinfs that look the same from last game but his scum reads are sort of meh so far.

Its difficult and im atill forming opinions atm

On February 08 2018 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Interesting both tina and mderg are kinda trying to suicide...hmmm

On February 08 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
Heres the problem hf/df i do not thinl at this time tina is getting lynched unless hf switches and i hammer.

But we do need to consolidate at this time. For thw record tinas postings havent been bad since i got back

On February 11 2018 01:11 Damdred wrote:
sorry guys had to put my dad in the hospital last night for a few days but ill be here mostly until lynch.

Got to catch up but im going to vote tina.

On February 10 2018 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to talk directly to you Holyflare because talking to Koshi is like talking to a brick. It is quite funny actually that when Koshi happens to be right D1, if he doesn't die during night 1 the town is more likely to lose the game since he feels like a champion and completely unable to listen to anyone else. I tried for a while during N1 but then i decided to throw because i never even got to my point Koshi just pushed whatever he thinks was the correct idea. I am gonna try once more, if this goes to deaf ears then for all i care you can murder me because i don't really feel like playing let's see if Koshi finds mafia game.

What i tried to heavily imply during night 1 is to not cop check rsoultin. I am not sure if there is a normal cop who checked rsoultin but a green on her should always be claimed (obviously red too -- but green yes, only on her). The reason is that rsoultin, if not confirmed green, is always the bast lynch D2. It doesn't even fucking matter if she flips town. Always lynch the counter-wagon who mafia refused to vote on to save themselves, always.

Option 1: rsoultin flips town
We can, in this situation always assume that everyone on mderg wagon are town. Mocsta could maybe bus but who cares, that's for later, never care about that until lylo. That leaves the following people, who either voted for rsoultin or off-wagon:

Damdred
darthfoley
disformation
Conversion
raynpelikoneet
prplhz

You have a pool of 6 people who can be mafia.
- If you have 2 blues in those, game over. Town wins.
- If you have 1 blue in those, game over, town wins (2 lynches until lylo and mislynch every time -> 2 mafia 1 town in that pool in lylo) almost always, only retarded town loses here.
- If you have zero blues there you have to actually make reads..... Let's see what we have here very quickly:

Damdred - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
darthfoley - pushes the anti-mafia idea all N1 and D2
disformation - hasn't said anything, i don't even know if he has scumreads
Conversion - Koshi sheeple and master of inconsistancies
raynpelikoneet - you can think whatever you want
prplhz - he could have technically even saved mderg with him, so is extremely unlike to be mafia

The thing is, if you can even rule out ONE person there, who isn't mafia, you win the game. I can rule out fucking 3, easily. The dudes who push the anti-mafia idea. Ironically Koshi's lynch list at the moment is the three people who push the correct town play aka me/df/damdred. So yeah, go listen to Koshi if you want to.

Option 2: rsoultin flips mafia
Game opens up a lot, but who cares, we lynched mafia.

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The thing is Holyflare, rn three people say very very stupid stuff. rsoultin, Mocsta and disformation.

disformation made a post where he suggested that i am mafia and i was either trying to bus df (over rsoultin lynch), or trying to find an alternative lynch. Vote situation at the time 5 on rsoultin, some random 1's on some random other people. You srsly think that conclusion makes any fucking sense in any world at all? Then there is his conversion read and how he ended up reading conversion and how he ended up explaining himself after. It smells super fucking bs.

I genuinely believe Mocsta has slipped. Deal with it. I could possibly back off from that but everything that comes out of his keyboard so far is either copy of someone else or taking some post and inventing a (horrible) scum reasoning for it. Then there is the post where his #1 scumread (me) tells him that, and he somehow gets offended??? OF course i am trying to shit on his reads if i am mafia. I get Damdred getting emotionally "too invested" in the game and taking offense on something he shouldn't, but Mocsta, who himself continuosly tells other people they are bad? No fucking way.

I don't even care to write about rsoultin because i don't see a single townie thing she has done this game. Koshi sees all the townie things ofc but i don't, so there is that.

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I only made my promise to Koshi because i was very annoyed at him, and i still am. If you happen to realize i have all day been sarcastic about it. I don't care what Koshi says, i don't care what he does, he can try to solve the game by himself if he wants to. Maybe he even can. But that will happen without me as he doesn't do anything but shit on everything someone he doesn't like in this game for whatever reason says.

So yeah, there is that.

#unvote
##vote rsoultin
I don't care what alignment she is, it is just the correct play based on D1 end.
Do whatever you want to, my vote stays.

On February 08 2018 04:33 Holyflare wrote:


Mate you having a fucking laugh? Your biggest scum read is started by a wagon on reasoning I created. This is so bad. I also made a giant collection of where are rsoul conversion reads case??

On February 06 2018 15:56 Holyflare wrote:


2 and 3 are good points. 1 is not.

On February 11 2018 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
Why?

On February 11 2018 05:01 Calix wrote:

Day Two Final Vote Count

rsoultin (5): raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, Conversion, darthfoley, Damdred
Damdred (3): Holyflare, Mocsta, Koshi, rsoultin, disformation, ritoky, disformation
raynpelikoneet (0): rsoultin
Conversion (1): prplhz
darthfoley (2): Koshi, rsoultin
Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet

Not Voting (0):

rsoultin is the lynch!

On February 11 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think rsoultin is mafia purely based on mderg's multiple interactions with her. Seems like 50% of his filter is arguing with her.

On February 11 2018 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
But I also think it's scum rsoultin based on her play too.