EPTOn January 20 2018 09:01 Holyflare wrote:
mocsta tomorrow
mocsta tomorrow
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On January 20 2018 09:06 Holyflare wrote: There is no way that Damerion pieces together that Damdred says like a lot as town and as his big entrance to the game realises that Damdred, as town, is not saying like a lot and reveals this big meta point to vote damdred just to look that bad after his flip and have nothing to fall back on. I simply will not believe it. That's not how any mafia person's thought process goes. /ignore | ||
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I still want Damerion. Holyflare is still wrong. In his world, the meta read was developed on the fly during the course of this game, where clearly as Damerion himself admitted he compiled it after his last game with Damdred. Using a meta read that you believe to be true is something that any scummer can do. The tunneling to the exclusion of the global game does not resemble ANY of his three prior town games. At all. (And honestly he reminds me of an old player and friend here who played scum just like this, but that's neither here nor there). More to the point, as town I would expect an attempt to use a new meta read, but I would not expect this level of surety this early. The 'like' bullshit that holyflare latched onto so hard is not something that you could reasonably expect to get a read on that early in the game. Rather than using a meta read as a tool, Damerion used it as a bludgeon, and the holyflare cheerleading oh he's amazing and always right feels dirty to me. I recognize that this doesn't make holyflare scum, though; he's not an honest player as either alignment and will say what he can to get his lynch. So whatever. Damerion should be the lynch. If only because I need to redeem myself for being such a boob yesterday. But also because he's scum. Not because he was wrong. Because of how he used the meta case and ignored everything else. He's clearly a good town player so he gets no 'oh maybe he's new, overconfident and overeager' from me. I'm going to trust vets and coached newbies to know what to do if they're vig here. Damerion's the lynch tomorrow. Going out with Lex for awhile. I'll look at the rest of the game hopefully tonight. | ||
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Town Rels - deadline, general play, don't think this needs much explanation Twatty - organic posting while still focusing on scumreads, active until afk after 24 hours into D1 Townish KSC - we see the game similarly. could be pocketed, but I'll worry about that later mocsta - eat your heart out. i can't say that I'm close to certain, but i just instinctively like the tone of his posts Maybe Town?* mderg - he took a solid stand, and I like his interactions. need to see more from him holyflare - i'm still waffling hard on him. but part of why i think that he could be town is he actually has backed off a few arguments. if darthfoley ever flips scum i'd revisit him hard Null darthfoley - can see things in his filter leading me both ways. he's more calm than i remember him in his town game, which makes me want to townread players generally but maybe points toward scum on him specifically btdt - find the start scummy, but the fucking off at eod actually slightly towny...he'd probably be lower on the list if damdred weren't so adamant about him being town :/ Scummish Kmatt - despite liking his tone in the beginning, he was around during the day saying he didn't think damdred was scum but never laid down a vote, just talking randomly about twatty prplhz - i don't like how he wasn't following the game, said he'd follow me and then didn't follow me...kind of weak because damdred and i both could have voted btdt to save damdred (and i would have if i wasn't such a boob at eod) but a scum darthfoley and town btdt would make this really suspicious Scum Damerion - laid down his meta 'hero' case on damdred for the first time after four posts from damdred, and disappeared in the midst of my pressuring him on how he'd come to the meta and what about damdred's play he was claiming was 'static'...add that to my post above on why damerion is 100% our lynch d2 So, yeah. I'm a little disappointed that it didn't shake out clearer for me, and possibly I should have hf in a purgatory category of endless waffle all his own. But I think lynching into Damerion, kmatt and prplhz will yield probably two scum. Kmatt seems more likely if btdt, darthfoley and damdred are all town, prplhz if darthfoley is scum. | ||
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On January 21 2018 08:05 Holyflare wrote: It's like 50% wrong lol  | ||
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You know that feel you get when you happened to be trying to lynch scum, but had no strong conviction that they were scum? This is where town reads help an rsoul be less wrong lol. ;o; Now I'll have to sign up for another game to get my town KSC fix. On January 21 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote: No, seriously, I've already explained it is? How is that inflammatory in any way? I posted that because I wanted to argue with you again and then just went fuck it. You're fine. Well, I mean, you were dead wrong on Damdred, and I still think you're dead wrong about Damerion's play here versus his earlier town games, and it bugs me that you so confidently argue against something I see to be indisputably, objectively true. But it's not inflammatory, just aggravating. (Also recognize that I could just be failing to communicate my point effectively.) Moreso when I'm coming around to you just being town, mostly because you actually give a shit as to whether you're provoking me or not which I think is more likely to come from town holyflare. Yes, despite the darthfoley scum flip. Cause I'm weird and value tone perhaps too much. But anyway. I need to revisit my damerion read as it is...I don't think the night kill necessarily makes me wrong but at best they looked elsewhere cause likely docsave, and at worst I'm not seen as a threat because I'm on the wrong track. Would be sick if it was just darthfoley/damerion/prp though and I actually have been having one of my more accurate town games  | ||
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I was going to say that btdt and mocsta are probably just town for this but then I waffled. In part because darth foley's scum call-out when he returned to the thread would then be all townies which is possible but...idk I feel like usually there's a scum in there. If btdt is scum, then darth foley focusing on mocsta and pushing that pretty hard while more or less ignoring Damdred and failing to take a stance there seems odd. It's a buss on btdt that doesn't get him any credit if btdt flips because he never really pushed it. Then again, it could have been an early scum v. scum callout that he then felt he couldn't back out of but didn't want to push. I just find it weird he doesn't then angle for 'finding' Damdred scum when he had no strong position on him anyway. If mocsta is scum, darth foley isn't playing a very good scum game. He's bussing a scummate pretty hard while two townies are up for lynch, and then himself. No, mocsta is unlikely to become the lynch, but it's not ideal for his own survival and there's not much town cred you can get from that later if mocsta flips scum. Since playing poorly is not outside the realm of possibility, though, that line of thinking gets me nowhere. All three being scum also seems unlikely. I think I'd rather not lynch btdt and mocsta today. Mocsta cause tonally I still find him townish, btdt because Day 1 seems weird if he's scum with darth foley and I keep hoping he'll give us more to go on. | ||
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-pokes- Where you at on the game mderg? | ||
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On January 21 2018 19:12 Mocsta wrote: Rsoultin Note hf setting up for day2 lynch focus before damdred flipped Note his day2 target was damdred prime target I asked before if i should expect more from town hf. The answer is unequivocally yes. The lack of activity i get. We are all busy. Its the "confirmation bias" hf is applying kn things that are clearly not alignment indicativr... same thing as darthfoley. Since when is a case built on "minutia" indicative of town or mafia to quote df. Btw... check out kelsier reads before lynch and the kill is staring to make lots of sense I'll be the first to admit that I could be wrong on holyflare. It's hardly like I can decide what alignment he is anyway. That said... KSC's final reads were darth, hf, and damerion. We know that darth was scum. I also want to lynch damerion. Two out of three is more than enough to encourage a nightkill, and we don't know if they had a blue read on him or not, nor do we know if they were concerned about a possible doc in the game. I don't think that his being shot confirms holyflare (or damerion, for that matter) scum -shrugs- He was the one to lead the darth foley lynch, and I agreed that his reasons were better than mine for btdt, plus Damdred didn't want to lynch btdt even over himself. That alone can get a guy shot. I don't want to let a scum holyflare get away. But he's not being a blind stubborn mule, just a mule, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. Dumb as that may end up being. | ||
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On January 21 2018 19:14 mderg wrote: Taking a look at the votes: I think we can clear btdt because df voting him makes no sense here, if they're both scum. One vote switch would get btdt lynched. Similarly we can clear rsoultin on the df wagon. That's not telling us anything new, though. I also think Mocsta is town based on his interactions with df. So this is where I'm at: That leaves us with: TheTwatyEvildoer: Looked pretty townish to me but then dropped off the face of the earth, wouldn't lynch right now, though Kmatt: Could be scum could be town but how do you honestly read him at this point? Damerion: Didn't like his case and tunnel on Damdred. Did look somewhat close to his usual town game but with some differences. Would lynch. Rels: Didn't like him at the start, felt better later on. Switching between two town wagons at the end would be plausible as scum. Could imagine lynching him. prplhz: No idea how to read him from his posts. Probably not scum together with Rels because I don't think all 3 scum would be on the same wagon. Holyflare: Felt more like hf but his reads look like how mafia would want to lynch. Would lynch. mderg: I'm obviously town Kmatt, alone of the afk'd players, was actually active around the lynch without voting. What does that say to you? Regarding rels, what is it that makes you think he could be scum? Switching between two town lynches doesn't make him town, sure, and could be staged. But there's also little incentive for scum to care in that situation. For that matter, me not voting to save Damdred could be considered scummy. I know that I was a boob writing a post while the vote changes happened, but you don't know that that's true or not. You don't agree with me that prp saying he'll vote with me and then not voting with me on scum darth foley looks scummy? Why not? | ||
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On January 21 2018 19:28 mderg wrote: Giving hf the benefit of the doubt is not something I would be comfortable with By benefit of the doubt, I mean, I want to continue to evaluate him and probably will not lynch him today unless the alternative is someone I'm townreading -shrugs- | ||
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So when he won't vote with me on scum afterwards...well, he'll have to start shitting town rainbows for me to change my mind. I know how hard it is to lynch holyflare. Trust me. I called out his whole four-man scum team when he had a red check on him, and clear ties to what later became flipped scum mates, and town still derped. He just recently fooled me playing with a 'let's force players to speak Russian' mechanic that raynepelikoneet thought it important to give scum after letting scum actually pick their own scum team. And not making it clear that they could do that. Bastardized game. And on top of that, I think holyflare and I have the highest rate of being opposite alignments on the entire site. So believe me when I say I am predisposed to suspect him. Yet still...I don't know. Something about him feels town this game despite being wrong and his reaction to darth foley. I'd feel more comfortable lynching someone else. I will lynch him in the absence of better options. | ||
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On January 21 2018 19:43 Mocsta wrote: Btw Holyflare is the guy that calls damdred scum for thinking me and darthfoley are scum Yet thinks im scum with damdred..... Town hf is not this infallible lol I don't think this says what you meant to say/think it says. | ||
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On January 21 2018 19:47 mderg wrote: It honestly doesn't tell me much about kmatt, what should it tell me? I've just now skimmed through his filter and have to say that it looks a bit different from what I thought it looked like. Pressure on df and hf looks good. Doesn't like damerion. Would be stupid to lynch him at this point. I don't know about prplhz. I don't know enough about him and df as players to judge how much sense his reasoning made. I definitely wouldn't play like that as town, though. Namely, if you townread Damdred and you're here the last 24 hours of the day phase multiple times, why do you not vote when Damdred is leading the votes? I don't get that. It almost falls into the scum need to be right without feeling the need to actually do anything about it (i.e. save a townread). What gives me pause is the wagon on darthfoley but...I don't think we ever had enough to actually lynch df yesterday. ^ That combination for me shifts him to the scummy side of null. Not top priority, but clearly I think that people should be able to read something into his play here and actually have opinions on it. That's why I asked you. | ||
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On January 21 2018 20:03 mderg wrote: I struggle to read afk/semi-afk players. It depends strongly on how much they actually follow/care about the game. Both kmatt and prplhz are scummy, if we assume they had a general idea where the game is at. Mmm. Fair. I mean, I do think you should be able to get more from them, but I don't know if that expectation is realistic (or if I'm reading too much into things). Frankly, I have you out of my scum pile because of tone and interactions, nothing more. My feels on you are maybe only slightly stronger than those on holyflare. So if I ask you a lot of questions, that's why. Just so you understand where I'm coming from. | ||
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On January 21 2018 20:02 Holyflare wrote: What are you even talking about lol? I've been lynched pretty consistently and easily the past few games. As for you... Hello. Welcome to the game. If you'd like to join my town circle, please do feel free to actually I don't know make some reads. Help me solve the game. All that fun stuff. The mocsta read is getting old. You have new information! New thoughts to accompany them? | ||
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