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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 09:43 GMT
#1091
You mean like La Fête Nationale I'm sure
way more famous than independance day
Happy Australian Day then
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 10:10 GMT
#1093
lol never heard anyone says "Bastille Day". Apparently it's how english people are calling it. I didn't know that
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 10:43 GMT
#1095
On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote:
Cos I'm town.

Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing.

On January 18 2018 17:26 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 17:18 Holyflare wrote:
Cos I'm town.

Also don't take mocsta's enthusiasm as towny. Looks pretty forced and says nothing.


Explain.

I take it you then have the opposite opinion of me on darth foley?

On January 18 2018 17:38 Holyflare wrote:
Too much in his filter to read.

On January 18 2018 18:18 rsoultin wrote:
Note to self: hf ignored question on darth foley entirely in his general sidestepping.

lul. This is literally in the first 20 posts of the game. rsoul MVP
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 10:50 GMT
#1098
On January 26 2018 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 17:52 Rels wrote:
On January 26 2018 09:50 Mocsta wrote:
No one is 100% scum till flipped bro

Damerion was 99%

yeah ofc, it's a matter of speech. But I'm convinced HF is the last scum.


Then stop harping on about it, leave your votes on me and talk to kmatt and actually get him to produce some reads.

I will actually do the opposite and do my maximum to make sure you don't escape the lynch like you tend to do as scum. Ofc you're welcome to convince me you're town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 10:58 GMT
#1100
On January 26 2018 19:56 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
On January 26 2018 17:57 Rels wrote:
YOU RE TALKING ABOUT A DUDE THAT LIVED TWO LYNCHES WITH A RED CHECK.
"mm yeah he seems a little more active than the other dude, guess I'll lynch that other dude"
IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY


Link a game since I've been working where I've been anything close to past me. You can't because it doesn't exist.

Maybe, but that's really irrelevant. The effort you have shown so far can come from mafia HF regardless of any constraints.

yep. My post he quoted was not a point against him this game, it was a warning to other players that they shouldn't let him off the hook easily. So his response was totally off target.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 10:59 GMT
#1103
On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:
On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind


That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.

lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 11:44 GMT
#1118
On January 26 2018 20:04 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:
On January 26 2018 19:58 Holyflare wrote:
On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:
On January 26 2018 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Kmatt has only picked up activity since cop claim which could be a scum teamm all-in play

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind


That didn't happen at all. I voted Damerion when he got counter claimed. You're creating a false narrative.

lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.


No, stop conflating your argument. It's called a mistake about the counter claim. There is nothing more to it. After I realised that it wasn't a counter claim then I asked for his reads and he never provided them so I left my vote there.

You're also not even thinking about how I'd come about voting my team mate for a counter claim when you're saying I'm mafia, who knows that rbs are notified, and would have been rbing btdt for two days straight so knew he was going to claim rb at some point (dumbest fucking rb in the entire planet might I add)! So why would I confuse someone claiming rb that I have rbed as a counter claim if I was mafia????

since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play.

I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 11:47 GMT
#1119
On January 26 2018 20:36 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'll just say for added wifom that I'd be rbing absolutely everyone that I kill instead of btdt.
the only benefit of this is a vet

Mafia can rb themselves too

Wifom indeed

Scum decides what the roleblock target is. So you CANNOT use it as something to create reads. Scum will ask themselves the question: "What's the most favorable thing we can do with the roleblock ?" If that's roleblocking BTDT because then it's weird that BTDT is roleblocked and becomes a lynch candidat because of that, they will do it.
TLDR: dont' base any read on something the scum have 100% control on. Cause they thought about the implications before you.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 11:48 GMT
#1120
and yeah, roleblocks target being notified is also not very frequent, so it's also possible scum didn't even know their target would get notified. That adds to the whole "let's not think about it" thing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 11:50 GMT
#1122
I also thought BTDT being roleblocked is weird yesterday, being re-thinking about it it's not worth considering. Maybe he's scum and is faking this to gain towncred. Maybe scum didn't realize their target would be notified. Maybe they did it for the WIFOM "wait why would they RB BTDT" to try and create chaos. Not worth thinking about it.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 11:52 GMT
#1124
JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 12:13 GMT
#1132
On January 26 2018 21:06 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 20:52 Rels wrote:
JAT it's a pleasure to play with you again I think last game we were together was HOLYF**** mafia, which we stomped.

Same. Comments like this make me paranoid though :p

Although I think TL Mafia LXXV was the last time.

hehe p:
if that's the game where town wouldn't lynch obvious scum BH, I erased it from my memory
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 12:39 GMT
#1137
On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:
They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all

lol I feel stupid for not thinking about it. 100% confirmed.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 12:50 GMT
#1140
On January 26 2018 21:45 Mocsta wrote:
umm guys.
stop being doo-doo heads

tahts an exact replica of what we discussed

hes either confirmed town, or confirmed scum

yes 100% confirmed.

what isnt is alignment.. i know you are trying, but take a nap please.

no it's différent. Because if he's scum and faking being roleblocked, it means they roleblocked their kill target. Do you follow ? Why wouldn't they roleblock their kill target if they are not using the roleblock and thinks about fakeclaiming the roleblock anyway ?
But now we have the proof they DIDNT use the roleblock on their kill target. So if BTDT is scum, that means they didn't use the roleblock on anyone, which is very, very unlikely.
So BTDT is town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 12:51 GMT
#1142
like, the previous scenarios was:
- BTDT is town and has been roleblocked
- BTDT is scum fakeclaiming, scum have used the roleblock on their kill target.
Neither scenario is more likely than the other, so it's not worth talking about.

BUT as JAT said, the second scenario is not possible, as KSC wasn't roleblocked. So the two scenarios become:
- BTDT is town and has been roleblocked
- BTDT is scum fakeclaiming, scum have NOT use their roleblock.
And that second scenario is almost impossible.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 13:02 GMT
#1146
On January 26 2018 21:59 Mocsta wrote:
the fact that I think its OK to RB a separate target, to the Kill already supports there is more than one answer

you guys are bickering over your ideologies of how to play the game right

its stupid.

yes teh fakeclaim is unlikley, but its certainly not 100% confirmed.

In a way I agree, 100% is a way of saying it's past any reasonnable doubts. But in this case I really think it's near 100%. Because, put yourself in the place of the scumteam. They decide to fake a roleblock. Why wouldn't they use the roleblock on this kill target ? It's a free action that only has benefits; it's not like anybody is gonna notice it, since their kill target willl ... well, be killed; but if their kill target is a veteran or a vig, it's a net gain.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 13:58 GMT
#1162
Mocsta, if you think BTDT is 99% town, then we are all in agreement
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 14:17 GMT
#1165
D1!me was really good.
On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 07:23 rsoultin wrote:
Damerion's first game comes closest to actually matching Holyflare's characterization. Extremely good reads there, mafia team call outs early. Still not the one at a time to exclusion of everyone else bit, but solid.

Lol it's funny rels cause my thought is I kind of want to lynch Damerion >> I just...why the fuck mischaracterize something so easy to check in hf's case?

no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum.


On January 20 2018 07:37 Rels wrote:
Yep I really hate all of these.
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.

What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.

Maybe I should be less active instead then?

HF you're spending so much time defending against this accusation. Nobody else gave a shit.
Then later:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
You're also doing irrelevant Damerion questioning. There's two people up for lynch afaik. Damdred and df. I would like a little more focus on that. Or even mocsta.

Why are people voting df?

So you're fighting strongly for BTDT/Damdred to be lynched over DF but you have no idea why people scumread him. Makes no sense ot me.
Then later
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 06:53 Holyflare wrote:
I have read df's filter and I have determined he is not the lynch.

AT ALL.

I'm sticking my neck out and taking a stance.

Cool. Why ? But more importantly, it's super late compared to your strong stances about BTDT / Damdred in the posts above.
And this whole pointless explanation about how you didn't post before because you were working but now you can post is pointless.

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 14:21 GMT
#1168
N1!Mocsta was also really good.
On January 20 2018 23:26 Mocsta wrote:
I shall illuminate my top 2 reads in further detail to connect how and more importantly why they are a scum pairing.
Please refer to my 4000 word case below.

Why is DF scum
Read DF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this....
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Why is HF scum
Read HF Filter, and dont tell me you dont see this...
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



and...

wait for it.

[image loading]


Why does it work together
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 26 2018 14:22 GMT
#1169
On January 26 2018 23:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm beginning to think you might just actually be mafia you know. This is beyond normal levels of being obtuse.

After repeatedly asking you to do anything else because you're wrong on me you're just repeating the same things. You're also trying to buddy jat super hard.

Fight me bro.
And I'm doing something else. I'm rereading the entire game. And everything that I see conforts me in the sentiment I'm right.
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