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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:08 GMT
#985
you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:15 GMT
#990
On January 25 2018 08:06 Rels wrote:
you talked as if you knew there was a RB in the game when you made that decision too. Which we didn't know.
Basically you're entering "pointless debate" mode, like in EOD1 with rsoul


I'll be real, I didn't know any of the roles that can be in the game. This is my thought process that happened at the time he posted all of that:

"Damn maybe rsoul is right and i'll have to sheep it now."

---posts massive cop hints---

"OMG maybe I'm fucking right, this is the dream"

"I am putting in no effort into this game and people are starting to get suspicious, how can I look better while simultaneously doing nothing?"

---call out cop claim---

"They aren't going to shoot him because he's massive lynch bait and if he doesn't die and I've called out he's cop then I'll look better because he's not dead"

---btdt says he was rbd---

"Fuck sake, btdt counter claimed and he was the person df tried to vote off at eod."

"Am I mafia?"

---vote damerion---
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:16 GMT
#991
On January 25 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.

What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.

Maybe I should be less active instead then?


No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is.

It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less.

Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.

^^^^
Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?

I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for.


What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that.
NAI

why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather...


what does this even mean? are you saying damerion is the cop?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:18 GMT
#992
On January 25 2018 08:10 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though

that was not the real point, and you managed to derive the debate from it. Hence, pointless debate. Like you're doing now.


The real point was that I wasn't posting anything (during my 10 hour work day) other than one off hand post during 2 minutes of free time and then I suddenly started pushing stuff when I had more free time that just so happened to be in a different direction (and on town) than rsoul wanted.

Welcome to playing against holyflare who lynches who he wants. Especially when the lynch is on someone that confirmed that the meta was true and he somehow fixed it???

Now the point is that I did something anti-town to appear town which is nothing but true but doesn't make me mafia in the slightest.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:19 GMT
#993
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:22 GMT
#996
It's not far fetched in the slightest and I couldn't really give a shit if he died or got rbd.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:34 GMT
#1002
On January 25 2018 08:21 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.

The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie.


No, they are really quite the opposite. Pull your head out of your arse and actually read the content he is writing that has to do with roles that nobody has talked about and shows he's thinking in a mafia way that nobody would think about (yes, Mocsta just posted about this later but that's far far later than this immediate response):


On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote:
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.



Look at the certainty by "Yes, a Godfather is on the table" and the way he thinks about claiming rbs from people that are dead.

Then also look at how he goes about throwing suspicion. 90% of his post is dedicated to wifom about roles and what mafia would do and literally one sentence is dedicated to the person who he actually scum reads but it has NO information whatsoever about that slot!


Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier.


The person he wants to lynch the most is because of this reason + the continued afking. Nothing more. He wants to lynch a slot that he townread.

THEN don't even get me started on how many times he's defended damerion trying to get us to wagon someone else AND also draw out a blue today.

On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.


Let's just look at that last sentence too:

MAYBE HF.

But nothing has changed with me today so why is my name there? It's literally because people are throwing my name around and making me a viable lynch. This is what he's had to say about me the entire game:

On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.


^ TODAY

Mocsta is null, lot of words no content.
BTDT is suspicious and he questions the RB.
JAT has replaced twat who he is randomly suspicious of but that name doesn't appear.
My name does.

Why?

There is no congruence throughout his filter. He appears at random points in the thread to drop a comment here and there with irrelevance and the most active he's been in this game is to defend damerion. He also hipster defended damdred for 0 reasons whatsoever too.

Plz lynch after today.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 24 2018 23:35 GMT
#1003
On January 25 2018 08:29 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 08:16 Holyflare wrote:
On January 25 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:
On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.

What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.

Maybe I should be less active instead then?


No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is.

It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less.

Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.

^^^^
Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?

I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for.


What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that.
NAI

why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather...


what does this even mean? are you saying damerion is the cop?
No, im saying you are presenting biased position.

"im town, i was excited to find the cop crumb"
well, if anything, mafia are more excited is the other side of the coin.

NAI.


No, mafia is only excited if he's the actual cop. And you're saying he's not the actual cop... ergo...
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 25 2018 19:13 GMT
#1025
Are we just neglecting that kmatt's main scum read was a town read and he magics things out of thin air?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 25 2018 19:49 GMT
#1027
Why even post that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 25 2018 20:40 GMT
#1030
You get my mood from two posts lol?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 25 2018 21:37 GMT
#1034
Dragonball fighterz tomorrow. No chance you'll see me this weekend.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:14 GMT
#1052
On January 26 2018 09:08 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.

What do you mean ? HF started the day believing Damerion's claim. Then nothing happened apart from me and JAT voting Damerion, and then after the votes started to pile up he decided to vote him. It's definitely not a quick bus.


what?

he got counter claimed and I voted for him and then he didn't actually post any reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:15 GMT
#1053
There's a big disconnect between hf being the best mafia player on the site and mafia holyflare doing something blatantly anti town like calling out a cop claim.

Does not compute.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:16 GMT
#1054
On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.


Can you actually elaborate on who you want to lynch? So far all I've got is:

Twat/JAT: For being towny and then afking.
Mocsta: For saying a lot of words and then doing nothing.
Me: ????????

So any kind of elaboration and whys would be great.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:17 GMT
#1056
In my mind.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:20 GMT
#1058
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 00:23 GMT
#1059
Shouldn't be hard to just type a name and a few sentences on why they're mafia should it?

Gotta get those reads out for us.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 07:28 GMT
#1068
On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:
No I just can't buy this.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:20 Holyflare wrote:
because if you're not mafia like rels is implying then you'll be next after I die and it would be good to get your reads out in the open you know?


I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back.

Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.


In case you haven't noticed I've been wrong on almost 100% of things I've said this game. It's also interesting because if you're town how is the game handed to me on a silver platter? That's just going to end in crusade against you and you flipping town and then a crusade against me.

I'm not gonna lie, I already know I'm going to get lynched today because we have jat and rels here who aren't gonna reconsider anything so the least I can do is try and actually figure you out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 26 2018 07:31 GMT
#1069
Furthermore, if you're actually town and I was mafia why do you think I'd back down and give you a chance? I simply wouldn't.

So, again, please, just a few names and a sentence on why they are scummy
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