[M][N] A Simple Game of Mafia

On December 12 2017 07:56 Arya321 wrote:
Just got home from my first final out of 3 of them I had to take and got an 90/100 but doesn't count for my grade :D
Kmatt started with a 12 days of christmas joke with conversion asking for the full song while Forumite was a bit more serious? Conversion asked Kmatt to expand the song as a joke I assuming and Forumite talked about his past. HF entrance is null I could see it from either alignment. You guys are kinda boring

On December 13 2017 04:22 darthfoley wrote:


VE reminds me of my playstyle from last game (literally the last mafia game played on TL) when I was mafia. His activity feels off and a bit forced. Posting for the sake of posting. Like what Kmatt said, he's trying to appear townie. I don't think he's actually pushed the game anywhere even though he's had opportunities to do so.

On December 12 2017 08:13 prplhz wrote:

Setup talking is sometimes a good way to scum hunt as town and scum sometimes think differently about it. Scum hunting off of a couple of "Hi"-posts is unlikely to yield results, no?

On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:


this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting

also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in

On December 12 2017 08:18 prplhz wrote:
My top lynch list: Holyflare, VisceraEyes, Koshi, Palmar.

On December 12 2017 08:21 prplhz wrote:
Lets get started

##Vote Palmar

On December 12 2017 08:43 prplhz wrote:

Who would your first pick be?

On December 12 2017 12:21 Conversion wrote:


from someone who would point out my usage of a nonexistent word (irregardless), I'm going to not give him the benefit of the doubt on wording something poorly. DF knew what he was typing-- a rather poor attempt to joke around and look townie by saying Palmar led "us" to defeat. I also asked DF, not you for your interpretation

why aren't you pressing anyone even with some new entrances/some content to buzz around for someone who seems so eager about scumhunting?

On December 12 2017 12:33 Conversion wrote:
I'm saying it's a bad statement to make to try and look unnecessarily townie. if that makes him scum, idk yet.

ya I'm pretty tired too and no one else seems to be entertaining me US-wise so might get some zzz

On December 12 2017 23:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually I'm super down with an Oatsmaster lynch too. Check out his D1 last game as compared to this game.

And it's not like he's not here watching. He just doesn't give any fucks, where last game he gave some fucks.

On December 12 2017 23:51 Conversion wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/526614-hurricane-shelter-mafia?user=Oatsmaster

looks similar to me, but tell me I'm wrong

On December 13 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote:
I think Conversion is town. I also think Arya is town. I have a feeling prplhz is town.

I think forumite is mafia for asking a stupid question. I think VE may be mafia because he spent way too much time talking himself into voting me.

On December 13 2017 04:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
What a dumb read

On December 13 2017 01:00 Palmar wrote:
As in, if koshi tries to not play, we lynch him.

On December 12 2017 08:14 Conversion wrote:


this isn't a great post. of course we should scum hunt, but that doesn't mean setup talk isn't scum hunting

also there's like 1 page of content, so we can't really do much else until people bleed in

On December 13 2017 01:09 Conversion wrote:


I can get behind this TBH

On December 13 2017 01:19 Kmatt wrote:


Moreso that I think you're trying to appear townie.

On December 13 2017 01:26 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know how to read VE.

On December 13 2017 01:26 Conversion wrote:
also agree with VE there. it's not surprising his mind changed after I discussed it with him. seems kind of a forced read IMO.

On December 13 2017 01:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I skim, get the gist. Oats' filters are exceptionally easy to obtain gists from.

On December 13 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote:
I think Conversion is town. I also think Arya is town. I have a feeling prplhz is town.

I think forumite is mafia for asking a stupid question. I think VE may be mafia because he spent way too much time talking himself into voting me.

On December 13 2017 06:11 Conversion wrote:
explain to me Koshi how Palmar defending me and thinking I’m town makes him town and me mafia. because I’m dumb and not seeing it

On December 13 2017 06:10 Conversion wrote:
also Koshi being wrong on a scum read, is this real life?

On December 13 2017 06:13 Conversion wrote:
also in this player list I am not only one of the worst players, but the most lynchbaity players since my play is pretty much known to be either bad or ragey or both, yet you want to give others time and state I’m your best shot?

talk about going for low hanging fruit. pretty disappointed that’s the avenue you’re taking

On December 13 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:
I’m glad I’m infuriating you because I felt the same about some of your posts. glad it’s a two way road here.

now tell me how DF’s posts are genuine when he’s had almost no original thoughts, and he’s not making waves either

On December 13 2017 06:39 Grackaroni wrote:
This is going to sound pretty stupid but I could see teammates wanting to jump on scum Palmar as a distancing maneuver at the start of the day when there's little chance that votes would stay on him for the rest of the day.

On December 13 2017 04:22 darthfoley wrote:


VE reminds me of my playstyle from last game (literally the last mafia game played on TL) when I was mafia. His activity feels off and a bit forced. Posting for the sake of posting. Like what Kmatt said, he's trying to appear townie. I don't think he's actually pushed the game anywhere even though he's had opportunities to do so.

On December 13 2017 05:00 darthfoley wrote:


Yes, Oats, yes!

On another note, Koshi reminded me of Conversion's bad push on me that he summarily forgot about or dropped without any explanation. So maybe Conversion can get off my town list for now. Kmatt and Oats still definitely have first class seats with the reclining chairs and cozy blankets.

On December 13 2017 00:52 prplhz wrote:
I literally don't have a read.

Maybe Conversion is town for doing a lot of meta analysis that kind of led nowhere.

On December 13 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote:
I think Conversion is town. I also think Arya is town. I have a feeling prplhz is town.

I think forumite is mafia for asking a stupid question. I think VE may be mafia because he spent way too much time talking himself into voting me.

On December 13 2017 06:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Koshi is probably town from tone but I think his Palmar read is pretty shitty. Koshi says that Forumite will be the biggest lynch bait for mafia and still town reads Palmar whose main agenda has been pushing Forumite.

On December 13 2017 06:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Does fast = town Koshi?

On December 13 2017 05:17 Koshi wrote:
So we are here:

Town:
DarthFoley
Oatsmaster
prphlz
Ayra321
Kmatt
Palmar

Don't lynch them today:
Forumite
Holyflare

Shoot them but don't lynch them D1:
Chezinu
Grack

Lynch:
VE
Conversion

On December 13 2017 08:28 darthfoley wrote:


Why are you town reading my scum read when that read is a large part of your town read on me?

Why did you agree with my town read on Kmatt then make him your 6th most town?

On December 13 2017 08:54 Conversion wrote:
cool story. you and Koshi going to do something like actually vote for your scum reads?

On December 13 2017 09:04 darthfoley wrote:


I scum read VE. You use that as part of your town read one me. You claim that we "connect" when we're both town, but you also town read VE??

On December 13 2017 01:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
The speed of my townread should probably frighten you. It frightens me too. Want to hold my hand? It's kinda exciting isn't it? Talking to someone who MIGHT be the enemy?!?! I'M NOT THOUGH!!!

On December 13 2017 09:16 Holyflare wrote:
VE looks forced imo, df's read on conversion is good, palmar looks mediocre af

that's about it really

##vote conversion

On December 13 2017 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:

LOL ANOTHER NONSENSE READ

On December 13 2017 09:18 Holyflare wrote:
No it's not, I read what you have written and I didn't want to vote conversion. I read what DF wrote and I wanted to lynch conversion. Get on his level.

On December 13 2017 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote:

Every game is a new game.

What do you mean by "palmar can be town' then later on saying you still arent sure.

On December 13 2017 09:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Df's read on conversion is terrible

On December 13 2017 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's terrible that Conversion said that DF is trying to look towny but then did absolutely nothing about it and didn't even call him mafia despite calling him things that mafia does?

On December 13 2017 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
but I'm not mafia though right?

On December 13 2017 09:39 Conversion wrote:
if that makes me scum, that makes me scum let's move on fellas

On December 13 2017 09:41 Conversion wrote:
entertain me while I filter dive though. who are my hypothetical partners if I flip mafia?

and if I flip town, who are you looking at next?

On December 13 2017 11:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi and VE are playing super forced townie

On December 13 2017 09:48 Arya321 wrote:
Just got home from my final I saw that HF is stealing some credit about pushing Conversion even though Koshi and DF were doing it first. DF and Koshi are town I think from the interactions they had while I was gone. Also HF think's I am lightningstrike for whatever reason even though I am not him or her nor do I know him or her >.>
@Koshi what you current reads on Palmar and HF
@HF What you think of KMatt and his attempted push on Chezinu?

On December 13 2017 09:46 Conversion wrote:
your list is solid, pure gold regardless of my flip if I get lynched?

On December 13 2017 19:09 Eversince wrote:


What is wrong with Chezy? I don't have a issue with Kmatt, probably asleep, no problem for me.

Oats is ok if he explains why he thinks his way he reached his conclusion. That's my problem with, I don't agree with some of what he says. But that does not make him mafia. That just means that I failed to see his line of thought. (Which might make him mafia)

On December 13 2017 19:09 Eversince wrote:


What is wrong with Chezy? I don't have a issue with Kmatt, probably asleep, no problem for me.

Oats is ok if he explains why he thinks his way he reached his conclusion. That's my problem with, I don't agree with some of what he says. But that does not make him mafia. That just means that I failed to see his line of thought. (Which might make him mafia)

On December 13 2017 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:

LOL ANOTHER NONSENSE READ

On December 13 2017 04:43 Oatsmaster wrote:

So because hes the only one seriously playing this game you think hes scum?

On December 13 2017 04:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
What a dumb read

On December 13 2017 19:15 Eversince wrote:
Arya is only in the 'meh' because they came around and seemed super townie and then came back to only point out that people were missing and disappointment in that then. None of which means anything as far as alignment indicative behavioral goes. Which leads to 'meh', why you calling me for this when my meta on this site will include afk, and general disconcern when I have no time? I work 14+ hrs a day..... I will always put life infront of games. I wouldn't of joined if I wasn't going to dedicate time to the game (inactive for how long? xd!) U'll be around when I can be!

Then I realize that I've never seen the name before. They probably have no clue. I can forgive this very easily (Even if I get mislynched for it).

On December 13 2017 19:19 Forumite wrote:
Hi Koshi.

Is HF town?

What is the case on Conversion? Around page 10 there were a lot of accusations towards him, is there any post in particular that started this?

On December 13 2017 19:19 Eversince wrote:
Okm before you go on

I have basically no grasp on meta for anyone from here. I don't pay attention to it yet. I don't have time to filter several hundred pages of filters (Bless this site) to figure it out. So I just try to play as 'What is the town motivation for this?' vs 'What is the mafia motivation for this?' and try to despute if it makes more sense way more from one then the other...

On December 13 2017 19:22 Eversince wrote:

Why would HF blame work as an excuse to afk as mafia? This is the man who's fabricated weddings to pass as an excuse to excuse to be absence. 'I have no time because of work. Sorry guys' Seems like to lazy of an excuse for him to have inactively. If that's actually the problem, he'll probably ask for replacement. If not lynch him D2. Never D1.

On December 13 2017 19:36 Eversince wrote:
@Kosher; I don't think I'm following your Oats> Palmar read. I'm kind of daft; forgive me r.r! Spell it out in a 'you retard' version?

On December 13 2017 20:05 Eversince wrote:
And that's the other problem. Conversion was pushing DF as soft mafia with no reason up until the point Kosher & DF pushed him on it and then he STILL didn't explain what the actual reason to call them mafia was for.

On December 13 2017 20:57 Forumite wrote:
Yeah, I know, I'm rereading when I can. We're at a decent size thread allready.

On Conversion, I think he's town. I like this post in particular
He's not grateful for help, which he kind of needs now, instead he's suspicious because Oats doesn't elaborate why he's defending conversion.

On December 13 2017 21:46 Arya321 wrote:
Okay fine I will hard claim LightningStrike

On December 13 2017 22:38 Arya321 wrote:

I will check his filter btw that does remind me ot read df's filter from his last game as well >.>

On December 13 2017 23:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Koshi lolol

You're ridiculous. You come in here and call my play bad. You literally didn't do a fucking thing last game as town. A FUCKING THING. Your opinion of my play means LESS than nothing to me. And I love how you make this whole page of dumb observations about my play and end up on "He could be either thing, mafia or just bad."

And I'M the bad one. I just haven't even started trying yet because at the point I'd been playing to, not much had happened. What's your excuse?

On December 13 2017 23:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kmatt
Grackaroni
Conversion
Ayra321
prphlz
Eversince
DarthFoley
Forumite
Koshi
Oatsmaster
Holyflare
Palmar

This is approximately where I stand. I don't think I missed anyone. I honestly still don't have any scumreads until I see some flips or whatever, I still kinda think Oats is mafia based on his lack of giving shits and I'm really confused by Koshi's utter hatred of my playstyle. But it's whatever. I won't lynch anyone that's green and I would lynch anyone that's black. I'm in the process of narrowing it down to who I actually prefer to lynch now.

On December 14 2017 00:03 prplhz wrote:
Why does Joshi think he's a mafia god? Did he improve a lot on the last year or so?

On December 14 2017 00:36 Forumite wrote:
Would you mind elaborating? It´s not scummy to call me mafia but you´ve been quiet for a while and I just started throwing suspicion on Oats who´s gotten a few votes allready. Are you defending Oats, or are you setting up for an easy lynch on me D2?

On December 14 2017 00:58 Palmar wrote:

bad koshi

On December 14 2017 01:04 Kmatt wrote:


Just caught up and was wondering that myself. Need to make a status update.

On December 14 2017 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Fantastic. I can go to bed I think. I'd really feel safer if LS were on the Oatsmaster wagon and I would really like if Koshi were too. And that's probably going to be a problem because Koshi keeps trying to fite LS.

On December 13 2017 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Conversion
Palmar
Chezinu
Oats

Maybe

On December 14 2017 01:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar is more likely mafia now.

On December 14 2017 01:45 Koshi wrote:

This is true.

On December 14 2017 01:49 Kmatt wrote:
I was thinking between Palmar and Forumite one of them is scum. I think I can get behind Palmar at this point, Forumite being town makes a lot more sense to me.

On December 14 2017 02:04 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I did a quick reread of Conversion's scum play in the last newbie. I think the difference between his play in that game and in this game is really night and day. Do a quick read for yourself.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/527379-newbie-student-mafia-xxvii?user=Conversion

In that game his reads are a lot more indecisive. He gives a list of wishy washy reads and whenever he gives a read on somebody that isn't a town read he adds a qualifier for why his read may be wrong.

In this game he calls out things that he doesn't like about DF, Forumite's and Arya's play right off the bat without reservation.






I think the chances of Conversion being scum are really quite low.

On December 14 2017 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I'm out of time and was just barely able to finish reading the thread.

I really don't like that Palmar just implicitly assumed that none of DF/Koshi/Conversion are scum as a way of justifying a scum read on Forumite in the most round about way possible.

I'm surprised that nobody commented on HF's push on LS and that HF is less phased by being ignored than he has been so far.

I think Palmar is a better lynch than Oatsmaster but I don't think Oatsmaster is a bad lynch either. I'm going to leave my vote on Palmar.

On December 14 2017 04:11 Conversion wrote:


go convince enough people to lynch me just to be wrong then?

On December 14 2017 04:59 Palmar wrote:

scum

On December 14 2017 05:23 darthfoley wrote:


So i'm a lost boy for pushing the person I want to lynch, who you have said many times still has a high chance of flipping mafia?

Your apathy towards this lynch is bad or mafia. Maybe bad mafia

On December 14 2017 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is if Conversion is town, why mafia really didn't try to hammer him at all?

Even if Koshi or HF is mafia, there was no effort at all to push the lynch or get people on board. This was part of the reason that I held my vote. I wanted to see if the wagon gained steam, and it really didn't. In fact, it encountered pretty severe backlash and Oats/Palmar/Forumite became a huge thing. Conversion was really relegated to the backseat. Koshi especially hasn't given a flying fuck to push Conversion.

I'm concerned as to why

On December 14 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:


Oats lives in America now you pleb.

On December 14 2017 05:40 darthfoley wrote:
This is actually quite interesting. Whoever said Oats was AFK'ing not to implicate his partners was diggity right.

I'll have to do some rereading later tonight

On December 14 2017 05:42 darthfoley wrote:


I'm mad because this dude who moans 24/7 about how bad he is and cry cry cry had the audacity to claim the my reading comprehension was laughably bad.

You of all people should know how aggravating it is to have people question your alpha status

On December 14 2017 05:44 Conversion wrote:
actually I don't really want to play this game until I don't have to talk to any of you 3 tbh

DF is aggravating me more than Koshi is which is rare

On December 14 2017 05:44 Conversion wrote:
actually I don't really want to play this game until I don't have to talk to any of you 3 tbh

DF is aggravating me more than Koshi is which is rare

On December 14 2017 01:19 Palmar wrote:
I actually kinda like killing Oats, his filter is way worse than I thought. I gave him a tentative town read for calling koshi trash, but there's nothing that stops mafia from saying things that are true.

His filter is basically empty.

On December 14 2017 05:50 darthfoley wrote:


Tbf Koshi didn't try at all and I didn't have time.

On December 14 2017 05:52 prplhz wrote:
Joshi did nothing for this lynch.

On December 14 2017 05:52 darthfoley wrote:


You are probably not mafia. I don't understand why mafia didn't try to divert off of Roleblocker!Oats though. Unless Conversion is godfather, but godfather isn't even that good tbh

On December 14 2017 05:53 prplhz wrote:

He wrote a long ass case on Forumite, you can't have missed that.

On December 14 2017 05:54 Conversion wrote:
I am town. I'm still going to play. I just kept my drama queen bitching to that post

if we're going by the logic of defend obvious townie because I'm mafia and I know who's town, Palmar/Forumite/Oats/Grack are four people who defended me. Palmar backed off after Koshi, called me null. Forumite said I wasn't scum, not entirely sure if he called me town. Grack called me pretty obviously town and compared my scum filter from newbie game. Oats said DF's case is bad and then died with no follow up

Oats dies, flips scum.

Palmar/Forumite/Grack. I highly doubt all 3 mafia would hedge and try to defend me. that seems weird.

I'm going to treat Forumite as confirmed town right now because having Oats die is just dumb. He could have sheeped and gotten me lynched instead.

Palmar/Grack. Both voted off wagon. I'd like to believe this is 50/50 Mafia/Town. in this current situation I like Palmar lynch more because he voted, at this point in time, my confirmed townie and just AFKed.

If we're going by 50/50 logic there still is at least another mafia. maybe 2? idk how 14 man setups work. this I'm going to have to work for, and I still don't like Eversince randomly jumping on Oats train with a disconnect in their filter and how he/she landed on oats.

Most likely it's someone in HF/Koshi/DF. This is a good place to start. I'll add Ever in there because previous reason. I can't read these three as they all have points that make them town in my eyes, but also scummy, so I'd like someone to discuss with me on who the remaining 2 scum might be

On December 14 2017 01:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar Chezinu Oats also still possible. That is the only reason I am thinking about moving my vote from Conversion.

On December 14 2017 05:55 prplhz wrote:

The only thing you did was say "you guys can vote for oats if you want, I'm going for Palmer" after having pushed conversion all day

On December 14 2017 05:57 prplhz wrote:
This lynch notably just kind of happened though.

On December 14 2017 04:55 Koshi wrote:
And the fact I am town and this entire town PoEs on these 3 is amazing.
Especially because those 3 are not impossible mafia together.
And still have Chez benched.
Good stuff.



I am proud of you guys.

On December 14 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:


Here's where I am: confused.

Ignoring your alignment for a second, I'm not sure why there wasn't a legitimate counter wagon against Oats. He was a strong role.

I look to either Koshi or HF. Both of them are strong willed enough to try and push a Conversion lynch down town's throats if they're mafia with Oats. They also have an ally in me who has shown some flashes of being able to sway lynches in the past. Neither of them try. Koshi especially seems content just sitting back.

Their play doesn't make sense from mafia POV.

The only strong willed player who seemingly tried to divert any attention away from Oats was Palmar with his case on Forumite. It wasn't a bad case, but mafia!Palmar can make good cases.

I think Oats/Palmar/+1 bandwagoner or off wagon makes sense. There is a world where you and Oats are both mafia and mafia are just kinda fucked altogether, but I think the first scenario I laid out is more likely.

On December 14 2017 06:33 prplhz wrote:

I think it's not as clear as you say in your big post. The conversion lynch was pushed hard but never gained traction. So I don't think it makes sense to say scum could have gone for him instead. Same about Forumite. I think this lynch just kind of happened and no one really knows why.

I feel like the game is not just following Joshis list.

On December 13 2017 19:16 Koshi wrote:

It's posts like this that makes me pause.
If you read all Oats post knowing Oats has the answers to the game. He is saying here Palmar is mafia. Just like the following posts:

On December 13 2017 19:47 Koshi wrote:

Obviously my Palmar town read was a bit tongue in cheeck. Oats reacting on it in capslock makes me think he has the answers to this game already.

It's super thin so I dont put too much weight in it. But the capslock "THIS IS A NONSENSE READ" was a bit too serious too fast.

On December 14 2017 09:52 Conversion wrote:
I also remember you calling me mafia for the entirety of day 1

On December 14 2017 21:33 Eversince wrote:


I never did scum read Oats over you. I only ever said he was 'bleh' and that was what Oats could be either way (Of he's un-involved............. He's un-involved. Period.)

On December 14 2017 21:48 Eversince wrote:
This night hasn't developed into anything. It's developed into a claim game of 'what bullshit can I get away with'.
I've been around over two years now. I don't play much here but this night is typical 'TL stuff that I will continue to ignore'

On December 14 2017 21:56 Eversince wrote:
Why, if I or Koshi, or DF, not push on you if we are mafia and you are town? You are basically claiming we either are mafia with you're, or that mafia just let their RB get lynched for no reason.

On December 14 2017 22:06 Eversince wrote:
You look bad, Palmar looks bad, Grack looks bad, A bunch of lower volume guys look iffy (I know I can't really complain right? xd!) I think Koshi, DF, VE look alright and I'll have to do a lot of filter diving tomorrow. I should have some free time tomorrow because it's one of my shorter shifts. But that still won't be until after very late for most people.

No one put a ton of pressure on Oats though. So it's hard to put lines between lines of 'this person defending Oats' vs 'this person calling Oats on one liners everywhere and nothing else'. Oats's done that plenty of times to make this flip really problematic for me and I haven't had the time to process much...

On December 15 2017 00:02 Palmar wrote:
also I'm sure koshi the medic will protect me.

On December 15 2017 00:12 Palmar wrote:
think I'm checking you koshi

On December 14 2017 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:

It probably makes one of HF/DF mafia more likely.

On December 14 2017 02:49 Grackaroni wrote:

It's just from the main pushers of your lynch being Koshi/DF/HF and thinking that Koshi is town.

On December 15 2017 00:36 Conversion wrote:
the only way Koshi is going to townread me is if I die and flip green. doubt he'll believe a cop check with two serious claims

On December 15 2017 00:40 Conversion wrote:
last post wasn't made to sound dramatic, just that koshi has very strong conviction in his list so the moment one of his 4 flips town that's not me, I'll instantly be in red territory again

On December 15 2017 00:39 Arya321 wrote:

No worries I think I could talk sense to him.

On December 15 2017 00:47 Conversion wrote:
if I'm being annoying your list stayed the same size. you just replaced oats with someone else I think Grack

On December 15 2017 05:53 Conversion wrote:
I'm having the biggest shit eating grin right now HF. I cannot wait to rub it in your face on how wrong you are on thinking I am scu. at least Koshi doesn't want to lynch me yet even though he thinks I'm scum/disappointing town/whatever Koshi thinks

On December 15 2017 12:29 Arya321 wrote:
Man it's so quiet in here we can't just sit here thumbling our thumbs on this we still got work to do -.-
@Everyone but HF and Palmar: Do you guys believe Palmar's claim or HF's thing saying the hosts told him that it's a normal setup despite being a closed setup?

On December 07 2017 02:15 Damdred wrote:
Setup:

Closed setup, any number of roles can be present as long as they fall within criteria.

Hint: The criteria will be normal type roles that would generally be in normal games.

On December 15 2017 15:06 Conversion wrote:
I’m going to bed. goodnight

On December 14 2017 01:45 Koshi wrote:

I agree.

On December 14 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:


I think Oats/Palmar/+1 bandwagoner or off wagon makes sense. There is a world where you and Oats are both mafia and mafia are just kinda fucked altogether, but I think the first scenario I laid out is more likely.

On December 15 2017 21:10 Forumite wrote:
3rd Party?

On December 15 2017 22:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG did Damdred put a fucking Jester in the game?

I can't tell you how exceedingly boring that would be.

On December 15 2017 22:21 Eversince wrote:


Not what I said, I asked what win con for SK was. Because I wanted to know how to enter the thread. No one got back to me but I have limited time r.r

On December 15 2017 22:24 Palmar wrote:

1st of all I don't have a gun.
If I do have a gun and am not town, why would I shoot lynchbait low volume posters?

Like think really, really hard about the scenario you're creating (Palmar is 3p SK) and ask yourself, why wouldn't I have shot one of the people who actually both scumread me and have the clout to get me lynched (Like Koshi).

You know that my policy as mafia is to shoot the people I believe can cause me problems. I almost never wifom shoot (and if I do I shoot my teammates or something hilariously theatrical like that).

Whoever shot Grack was shooting mafia. Not a threat. There is no player in the entire game who can possibly claim that Grack is the biggest threat to him.

In order for me to 3rd party all the following easily disprovable points have to be true

• I'd have to have a gun (I don't)
  
• I'd have to be terrible at 3p (actively trying to shoot mafia on n1 after d1 mafia lynch)
  
• I'd have to ignore loud players who wanted me lynched (like koshi, maybe you? can't remember)
  
• I'd have to ignore players I could never lynch later in the game (prplhz, you)
  

Do you honestly think that 3p Palmar sat down and thought to himself "I can surely argue Koshi or HF or VE or prplhz into the grave, but this Grack fella scares the shit out of me"?

Use brain please. Lynch mafia, not townies you're afraid of.

On December 15 2017 22:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is Palmar attacking players personally? It's making me uncomfortable.

On December 15 2017 22:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
And I don't want a fucking Jester to win either.

On December 15 2017 22:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Feel free to try and find the last mafia Palmar, that's what a town Palmar does.

If I agree with you then I'll vote them with you. I promise.

On December 15 2017 22:37 Eversince wrote:


I don't think there is a SK. I tracked HF because he;s just to good to be as 'meh' as I found him. He survived buy didn't go to anyone and OATS/Grack are now dead. So unless mafia have a 5'th to carry dp, HF is not mafia.

On December 15 2017 22:37 Eversince wrote:


I don't think there is a SK. I tracked HF because he;s just to good to be as 'meh' as I found him. He survived buy didn't go to anyone and OATS/Grack are now dead. So unless mafia have a 5'th to carry dp, HF is not mafia.

On December 15 2017 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
10v3v1 is balance af

On December 15 2017 22:41 Palmar wrote:

If your claim is true, Grack is 100% a godfather that avoids all detection (cop/track/watch) and thus he was the one delivering the kill last night. So it says nothing about hf.

If KP is delivered and mafia has a godfather that can deliver them safely, there is no way they'd ever not send that guy with the kill.

On December 15 2017 22:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
GF isn't a ninja, the last mafia is either goon or ninja.

On December 15 2017 22:43 Palmar wrote:

No it doesn't, his conclusion is that HF is not mafia, which cannot be concluded from the information at hand.

On December 15 2017 22:44 Palmar wrote:

I am acting like town, I'm literally the only person in here acting like town.

On one hand we have a bunch of people who are voting me for literally no reason, and on the other we have me arguing we should be finding the last mafia, AND contributing to actually figuring out who the last mafia is.

On December 15 2017 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess you're at 3214 Koshi?

On December 15 2017 23:03 Eversince wrote:
I'm so tired, confused and want to sleep I could cry r.r

On December 15 2017 23:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I said, the evidence points to them trying not to bus. I can see a world where Grack leaves his vote on his partner all game if I squint, but it's really really blurry man.

On December 15 2017 23:07 Palmar wrote:

Because logic dictates that Grack casually mentioning me once in his completely no-impact filter would have made me panic and shoot him instead of killing the fuck out of someone like you who was screaming for my death at the top of your lungs and has a terrible history of never, ever changing opinions on me.

Sure koshi, good think right there.

Well thunk.

On December 15 2017 23:08 Palmar wrote:


Prove it.

On December 15 2017 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think you right Ever, but I'm going to meditate. Palmar's story is well crafted and it's believable. He could be telling the truth.

On December 15 2017 23:17 Palmar wrote:

There are literally 3 roleclaims in the game you imbecile.

1) Me vigilant
2) ES tracker
3) (and this one is probably fake) VE Medic

On December 15 2017 23:37 prplhz wrote:
I know your ego is taking a major blow here but just deal with it and move on Koshi.

On December 15 2017 23:33 prplhz wrote:

How exactly does SK work in this game? If he is multishot, he's way too dangerous for town. If he's single shot, he doesn't shoot Grackaroni on n1.