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On December 16 2017 00:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't understand why it's more likely that he just happened to think that the vig was ambiguously X-shot instead of him just being the SK. Why is that the line here?
My role is vigilante
I got no indication how many bullets I have.
Maybe TL has changed, but while 1-shot or 2-shot vigis are the most common, the role usually includes a clarification on the number of bullets.
I know most vigs aren't multishot, which is why I actually asked for the clarification. But there was nothing indicating I wasn't and it would have sucked to claim vigilante to find out "oh, I can actually keep shooting but now I claimed like a retard".
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On December 16 2017 00:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like whatever, you disagree. Fine, but don't make fucking fun of me because you disagree with me.
he's justified, he's using his brain, you're not.
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On December 16 2017 00:11 Kmatt wrote:
Oh my goodness is anyone else not claiming a power? Please just lynch Palmar and be done with it.
Kind of a scummy post. Complete non-involvement and refusal to look behind the status quo
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On December 16 2017 00:33 Holyflare wrote:
You weren't sure until now if you were multi shot vig so you claimed cop at night to bait out getting shot so you were clear instead of being the lynch?
*clap*
I admit I may have had better ideas.
But that does not change the truth value of my plea for innocence!
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This is so beautiful. You almost never get to witness this as a knowing observer in mafia games. The entire thread is completely and utterly wrong on everything, stuck in a senseless tunnel based on simple fear. The fear is that mechanically I should be lynched for trolling and causing confusion.
Meanwhile prplhz is not only being correct, he's both correct for absolutely the right reasons and is laying out his case in such a clear and concise manner that you have to willfully ignore it to not agree. He's taking on the entire thread sentiment with stone cold logic. I am 100% certain that prplhz is town. The combination of the incredible applied skill to the situation, and the guts of taking on the inertia if this train of stupid...
I'm slightly aroused. I always knew prplhz is a very good and logical player, but this is a goddamn masterpiece unfolding.
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Like I am just utterly impressed. I've mostly resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to be lynched. I will not be around much if at all tomorrow due to rl obligations, so I can't defend myself at the deadline, which shrinks my already slim chances down to basically nothing.
I can accept being lynched, because yes, inexact game mechanics did screw me over a bit, and I shot mafia. So I'm rather content with my part in this game, even if we waste a lynch here.
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Regarding things to look at:
1) Holyflare is the only other player in the game that is theoretically capable of what prplhz has done. The fact he's ignoring it doesn't automatically make him mafia as he can be incredibly stubborn. However it should push him right to the top of any list of potential mafia. Also he's trying to push the narrative that the clear track last night does in any way relate to his alignment. It DOES NOT.
2) Forumite may have misjudged the willingness to lynch Oats. Don't overcommit to a townread on him just because he started the wagon on Oats.
3) listen to prplhz, he's town and he's smarter than all of you.
4) Force VE to keep playing, he's good and can cheerlead for prplhz. Also he's needed to get Chez to work.
5) Conversion, Kmatt, Eversince, Forumite. There are at least 3 townies among you. You HAVE to stand out, you have to do the work, keep questioning shit and don't allow the vets to run the game into the ground. Pick a player, read his filter, reach an independent conclusion. DO WORK. Don't allow the game to become a series of "default" lynches. Question everything.
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On December 16 2017 07:38 Koshi wrote:
Palmar is 9 times out of 10 mafia. The SK is unknown.
while koshi is almost certainly town, do NOT sheep him blindly. Koshi is a fear based townie who will always go with the "easiest" lynch. He's the sort of player that will lynch the most observably scummy person in the thread, because if he doesn't he might get played or blamed for not doing the "obvious" thing.
Koshi is a good player because very often the "obvious" thing is the right thing. He sticks to the principle of just killing whoever he can convince himself should be mafia to a fault.
Essentially, if you want to work with Koshi, you should do the following:
a) listen to his primary lynch candidate. That player will have done something that is objectively scummy.
b) Question the read. Is the player just a troll/idiot/newbie/mistaken or is it actually mafia stuff.
The point is, it very often is just mafia stuff, which is why you need to listen to koshi. But his weakness is seeing situations like the one we are in today, where his scorched earth strategy is straight up harmful.
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On December 16 2017 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
You are going to flip mafia and that clears me as not being SK. It does clear my alignment.
You already know the unccd vigilante shot has literally no chance of making me mafia.
Why are you bullshitting town?
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On December 16 2017 10:02 Holyflare wrote:
it's un CCd because it was an SK you're trying to take advantage of
which you also know can be tested by literally just counting the shots tomorrow
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On December 16 2017 10:03 Conversion wrote:
here’s my problem palmar. I can’t see where prphlz is coming from when he’s calling you town. no one forced you to do this claiming shit and you placed this situation on yourself, first by ignoring it with your split personality joke and then doing weird claims and devolving this entire day into figuring dumb claims out
I'm going to sleep it's 1am my time, but I'm gonna help you along:
You can't see where prplhz is coming from because you're applying the minimal amount of logic to the situation.
Your thought process is:
1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people
2) That's not pro-town
3) Ergo he must be scum
The difference is that prplhz has added some actual thinking on top of this.
1) Palmar is trolling and confusing people
2) That's not pro-town
3) It's also stupid as fuck if he's mafia
4) and why would he draw attention to himself like that as SK
5) Ergo Palmar is trolling because he's an idiot and it doesn't tell us anything about his alignment.
My play makes no sense from any faction whatsoever. It literally is just that... me trolling.
The only meat on the bones you need is the fact that I shot mafia and no one is contesting it.
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On December 16 2017 10:18 Holyflare wrote:
you get destroyed by damdred clarifying claims
As if I wouldn't know that a 3 way parity shit cop would never be in even a themed game, let alone normal one. I helped write the rules on normal games bitch.
The only thing I got fucked by is that my role name is specifically "vigilante" with no specification of number of bullets.
Also to the newer players who still think "Palmar doing stupid shit = Palmar is mafia", go back and enjoy the case I wrote on myself. Hell read that entire page it's rather fun:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479252-mini-mafia-down-under-2?page=6#102
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On December 16 2017 09:24 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar Is Koshi scum or is he just tunneling so hard he invented this insane SK scenario in a desperate attempt to avoid you being confirmed town?
He's probably town. He's not this committed to his stupidity when he knows it's wrong.
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goodnight boys, gonna end with a greatest hits compilation of my favorite artist:
On December 15 2017 22:28 prplhz wrote:
Anyway, I'm absolutely not feeling this Palmar lynch, will be back later (unlikely) or tomorrow (less unlikely).
On December 15 2017 23:29 prplhz wrote:
Also, Palmar is having way too much fun for someone who just lost two buddies before d2.
If the is a CC, we lynch Palmar. If not, lets look for something else.
On December 15 2017 23:35 prplhz wrote:
Like, the Grackaroni shot only makes sense from a town perspective, he was sort of not participating in the game. So if there is a town vig, then we just assume it's Palmar until someone CC's.
On December 15 2017 23:37 prplhz wrote:
I know your ego is taking a major blow here but just deal with it and move on Koshi.
On December 15 2017 23:43 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
There's a doctor in this game and Palmar is the SK. He shoots Grack because Grack is the only person with Palmar's name in his mouth. Don't worry about what Palmar says about WHY he wouldn't shoot Grack think about the circumstances surrounding yesterday. Grack put a wagon on Palmar and NEVER LEFT it. Everyone else was looking everywhere else. The cop claim was to cover exactly what happened, a watcher/tracker. He claimed a visiting role to cover himself in case he was observed. And when he decided to shoot, he decided to ditch the cop claim by acting like a fucking retard.
His play doesn't make any sense from the perspective of a town-aligned vigilante. If he was town, he would have shot Forumite because no one believed him about Forumite and Palmar favors his D1 reads VERY highly.
PLEASE just lynch Palmar. VisceraEyes Like he already pointed out, there is no way Palmar is more afraid of a Grackaroni-led wagon with a solitary vote than a rampaging Koshi who just so happened to vote some some other guy out of sheer stubbornness. The cop claim was to have fun and possibly draw fire. No one who has played with him took it seriously, just look at the three counter claims. Palmar isn't stubborn and shooting Grackaroni fits with the Ace mentality like he said and that's how you play vigilante, you shoot into trash like Grackaroni.
On December 16 2017 07:22 prplhz wrote:
Now can anybody tell me why the SK claimed cop for no reason?
The problem with this claim is that it was so fake that no one believed in it except some new players so it was really just for the purpose of kind of doing whatever, having fun, and possibly drawing a night kill from some panicking scum. This is just not very scum. Now he's claiming vig which fits alright. Any setup speculation that conclusively proves that we have an SK is just wildly speculative and probably wrong.
I gotta say I don't particularly get this thing with the single/multi-shot. What exactly was that about?
On December 16 2017 08:20 prplhz wrote:
The simplest explanation about all of this Palmar stuff is that he's the vig but decided to fuck around for a while (which is fairly common for Palmar).
On December 16 2017 08:52 prplhz wrote:
It also hinges on Palmar knowing or betting on that there is an SK. Instead of just going back on his claim and saying that he wasn't serious (and he has a history of fakeclaiming so whatever).
On December 16 2017 08:25 prplhz wrote:
Come one LightningStrike, how many times have you read Palmar and thought "What on earth is this man even DOING?" only for him to be town? 9 out of 10 times?
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On December 16 2017 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
WHY AREN'T ANY OF THE MAFIA VOTING FOR TOWNIES?! ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL GAME ALL TOWN HAS JUST BEEN VOTING FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME!!!!
It's evolving!
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prplhz stay with me 4ever
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On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2017 18:34 Koshi wrote:
Yeah palmar is not mafia. Thete is a big chance. Explain plz. I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself, he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch. Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment.
This is a trash post. If you're scum you're forgiven, but if you're town you should be literally ashamed of yourself for making this post.
I'll break down why:
On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:
I would really prefer if Palmar did his defending himself
So by your logic, only I am allowed to defend myself. It's fine that everyone has a hand in making the case that I'm mafia, but as soon as someone starts making the case I'm not they're not allowed to play?
Just to note, I HAVE been doing my defending myself. The fact some people agree with doesn't change anything. I have not been skimping on defending myself.
On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:
he hasn't provided us with a good alternative lynch.
There are something like 10 townies alive in this game. 1 of those townies is being wagoned, and according to forumite-logic should be in charge of defending himself (see above). Additionally, that same 1 player should be town's primary scumhunter.
In fact, if you were being logical at all, it's the rest of yall that should be scumhunting, because none of you is occupied with defense at the time. It's not my job to find mafia. It's my job to not get lynched here. If I find mafia in the process that's good but I only have so much time and energy.
On December 16 2017 19:24 Forumite wrote:
Koshi and prplhz trying to find someone else to lynch says nothing about Palmars alignment.
No of course not, but it's still the most reasonable thing to do if they don't believe I'm mafia. I have no idea why you're even writing this. If you're absolutely convinced I'm mafia that's fine. But 2 people who you strongly think are town (you have shown no indication otherwise) are calling the case either super wrong (prplhz) or wavering on it's merits (koshi). Why do ignore them. Do you think they're stupid? malicious? What's the deal here?
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It's actually a scummy enough post for me to flip forumite back into the leading seat of likely scum candidates alongside Hf.
Kmatt looks slightly worse. Chez looks slightly better for doing his own thing, but I have a track record of being terrible at reading chez.
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leaving my vote on forumite because my main case against HF is just "HF is not supposed to be this stupid". It's a very valid case to be completely fair.
Also prplhz thinks forumite is mafia so that's a good indicator that it's at least the direction to look into.
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And I haven't forgotten about this
On December 14 2017 00:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 14 2017 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) I don't believe he has no intention of following up or investigating answers. For example he's repeatedly sought my opinion on things and I believe it's to do with the fact that I've answered him already so he knows I'll get to him. It's possible others are just ignoring his questions or the questions in question weren't really meant to be answered (a la "do you intend to live tonight?" and "are you mafia?"
2) From where I'm sitting, he's voting for someone he's made an alignment call on. That quite literally moves the game in a different direction.
Your case is fucking awful Palmar and it took you a really long time to bullshit through. What are you doing? Anyone who is saying Palmar's case is good needs to answer these points for Palmar if he doesn't. Forumite MIGHT be mafia, but not for the reasons Palmar is saying here, and he's representing it as a good case. If he's mafia, it's 100% because of what I wrote. hell, even him 1) agreeing to wagon me while complaining it's not his 1st choice 2) apologizing for wagoning me this is like 90% mafia stuff right there.
It's still a very solid point to make for forumite just being the remaining mafia.
That along with his strictness about the rules by which I can be acquitted and the fact that prplhz has an IQ comparable to the sum of the rest of you makes me favoring forumite lynch today.
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