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... Where he was town? | ||
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On November 01 2017 09:26 Conversion wrote: .. and? your line of thinking was that he was scum from it the entire god damn game? lol Yes, but it was wrong because he was town AND changing his play style. Now you are suggesting he is mafia for changing his play style and saying it's scummy for the reasons in my quote that were wrong. | ||
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In the first instance that's fine but you were linking my posts to prove an invalid case. In the second instance it's entirely irrelevant and added nothing but a fake read to the game. If this is the case you then went out of your way to quote my post from last game to back up your irrelevant opinion which had no bearing on your thoughts on Damerion's alignment. I find all of this a bit of a stretch. | ||
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I'll try and play but don't expect much I'm stressed as fuck. | ||
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On November 02 2017 05:56 ruXxar wrote: Sure. Right now you are my top scum read. 1) You're being wishy washy trying to coast by. Casting shade and town reads around you pretty lightly. You're keeping every option open, snaking your way around from read to read. 2) This post is incredibly nitpicky and trying to infuse meaning where there is none. One of the worst posts in the game. It's very over explainy and trying to siphon meaning out of very word instead of trying to understand the overall message of the post. Besides you there's a few people on my to watch list: Oats - for the same reason of also blowing things up and putting emphasis on worthless fact as if they were gold and had some divine scum meaning. Damerion - I detected a change in meta behavior, need more posts to evaluate. Shockey - I know I'm biased due to meta. The threshold for where that meta no longer holds is very thin. But still resides as town. Also the bickering with conversion tips in his favor. HF - His damerion vote with no explanation was a red flag, but his later followup was ok. He's awfully quiet this game, but he has an excuse. Otherwise keeping an eye on him as his meta is different from last game. A bit more laid back. Not sure how to interpret it, will need to wait until he makes a real push. You're the second person to say this. Where did I not explain my read? Also don't expect aby activity at all. | ||
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On November 02 2017 06:34 darthfoley wrote: That's actually exactly what I would expect a new mafia to do Well you have bad expectations then? | ||
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On November 02 2017 08:09 Conversion wrote: almost like you've done something important, am I right HF? how many people you going to lynch with that logic? 7? When did I relate anything to their activity? | ||
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Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town. Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it. | ||
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I think it is off that HF dropped a vote on Damer with no explanation then pushed Conv for also thinking Damer is scum. Like the post HF made above was the first time I've seen him actually give a reason for his vote. Why do you keep saying this? I explained it straight away | ||
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Also conversion effectively called Damerion scummy without saying he was scummy. He said "oh his posting style is completely different and that's bad! (but anyone in context would read that as scummy)" and then be proceeded to quote me from last game to further that argument that Damerion is weird but Damerion was town when I made that argument. Conversion was literally arguing about Damerion being mafia (but apparently it was just strange and not mafia) but using my wrong read to further the argument. It really wasn't blown out of proportion like you purport at all. That's incredibly disingenuous. | ||
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Ticktock does because he can't even read the game but still tries to give comments about things. He just has a really surface level view of things. | ||
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On November 03 2017 01:04 Tictock wrote: You are right I missed you explain your vote in your 3rd post till I reread last night, thought I mentioned that but it may have slipped my attention. I do think you and many other players blow stuff out of proportion when people are just sharing their thoughts. Like Conv noticed something that was different in Damer's play and made a note about it, then everyone made a huge deal about him speaking his mind. That is what is being blow out of proportion imo. People generally go with feelings and gut reads day one and sometimes those reads aren't super nailed down. That is basically how I play all the time and it always gets me scum read, buy I don't give a shit kus it is how I prefer to approach the game. It bugs me when I see you guys forcing someone into a corner when there is just misunderstandings about what they are trying to say. The pressure is fine, that is part of the game, it just gets excessive and it's something I notice older scum players will hide behind. nobody blew anything out of proportion, it is a strange read because he backed up his read with something that was wrong last game!!!!! but to top it all of it wasn't even a read to begin with it turned out, so what you're saying is that we mustn't talk about anything that's strange and instead have no conversation whatsoever if he just simply said "It's different and I don't like it then fine but he didn't, he argued for pages trying to defend why it's not a bad read when he doesn't even think it makes him an alignment which was bad | ||
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##vote vivax | ||
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sheeped opening points on shockeyy but pretended they were his own didn't include any of shockeyy's further posts and evaluate them constant afk while still around on omgus game sometimes not doing anything vivax | ||
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On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote: Hello, I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do. I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people. Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong. But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed. And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. You know you can just say Holyflare right? | ||
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On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote: In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe. So why is zen scummy for doing that when you literally made 1 post on shockeyy and afkd? What makes him mafia and not just afk? 7/10 is so strong. | ||
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On November 03 2017 05:40 Damerion wrote: Before I head out I will say a couple of things. Your correct in that it is hypocritical in the way I read people for fitting in with little effort. But juat because I also fit the profile does not mean that others also do not fit that criteria. Making snide comments does not change the fact that my assessment is correct even if I have to fit the criteria myself. Secondly I will not say that we should lynch Shockeyy today, he has been one if the more polarizing figures in d1, and it does feel at this point like scum are pretty ok with the lynch. I really enjoy ny thoughts that Zen+Ticktock+one is the current team I am working with. I believe we should lynch Ticktock with Damdred today, also its possibke RuxXar is the third with how he was ok with Ticktock but then switched when it was possible ticktock could be lynched. Yes, it quite literally means that. If you are town and people are displaying the same characteristics as yourself then by definition it is possible that town do those things to so for you to assign that person a 70% chance to be mafia is arbitrary and illogical. | ||
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On November 03 2017 05:40 ruXxar wrote: Here's a game from when I was scum with shockey: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?user=ShoCkeyy&view=all This looks way more like trying to appease people and fit in than here. | ||
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On November 01 2017 16:41 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah i think the opposite as in its not fake. I think shockey is really mafia though, totes ##unvote ##vote shockey bus busssssss | ||
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byeeee :D | ||
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On November 04 2017 01:29 Damerion wrote: Should be shooting Zen instead, he is an excellent shot and the only person on the wagon who couls be bussing, even accidently. It's a shame that it's you then :o | ||
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Why is nobody scum reading me? | ||
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but his reads were just rehashes of what I said and just saying "lynch tt" which isn't exactly the towniest thing to convince someone yet you followed someone you were wary of for no reason? | ||
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On November 04 2017 04:57 Vivax wrote: This is a terrible argument. Along with a terrible claim that only the most gullible would believe. you think I can't prove it when he's dead? | ||
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literally 1 hypocritical read that applies to vivax etc and he's 70% and sheeped you when you didn't do much and he was wary | ||
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The nk either points to oats/ruxxar/damdred/damerion. | ||
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should probably lynch zen or something | ||
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On November 05 2017 04:20 Conversion wrote: because he tried to swap out of the wagon, failed, and now is saying he didn't mean to lynch mafia ?? why would he even say that as town, and then try to defend his position on swapping off TT wagon. I would have just parked the vote on TT as town and gone "lol mafia lynch I'm good" Why would he even say that as mafia is the real question?? As town: honesty As mafia: do what you said | ||
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On November 06 2017 05:23 Damdred wrote: Can you explain to me HF why you wanna lynch oats today? because he's mafia? any sensible mafia just kills people on the ticktock wagon unless they want to spread confusion and implicate the tt wagon and that's a dumb strategy and a weird kill on df unless it's oats as mafia because he makes those kills also on day 1 oats was calling out tick tock but then nothing came about from it and he just dropped it | ||
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On November 06 2017 06:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I can only lynch one person dumbo. Also, I killed all the people on the mafia Lynch wagon last game so that's objectively false. You killed df last game and he wasn't on the wagon. | ||
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On November 06 2017 06:57 ruXxar wrote: He was basically the reason conversion got lynched at all. He wasn't on the wagon. Don't care about technicalities like leading the lynch. | ||
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Yeh voting the jk was a good move when the mafia guy basically confirmed him town. | ||
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He got confirmed town by ticktock so we stopped voting for him | ||
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You're hiding behind "figuring out" who he shot instead of trying to figure out who mafia is. Not once have you concluded something since oats flipped town. Your vote was placed extremely late in the day, almost like you didn't care who got lynched between oats and zen and you've done basically nothing for a while. | ||
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Ritoky just blanket statements that we shouldn't lynch people on the wagon which is bad in this situation. It's either a high level ish kill or a bus but he's trying to make it neither. | ||
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That's pretty bad looking my dude. | ||
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On November 07 2017 00:22 Holyflare wrote: Don't particularly understand your logic between "ritoky and zen can go first" and "Holyflare can die first" when i pretty much got oats lynched, who was your biggest scum read, and now I am starting a ritoky push that you literally just agreed with. That's pretty bad looking my dude. I think I'm going to sheep myself. | ||
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On November 06 2017 23:47 Holyflare wrote: I get a bad feeling from ritoky. I'm definitely sure I've seen him vote off wagon or himself as a placeholder. Conversion voting himself was not scummy in the slightest and I don't know how people tried to twist it to be. Ritoky isn't the offender here, it's ruxxar, but I still get the bad juju from ritoky who has just been spouting rhetoric about not lynching mafia wagon instead of analysing the people. On November 06 2017 23:49 Holyflare wrote: Like a darthfoley kill does not make the slightest bit of sense unless one of the mafia people bussed their team mate and don't want to look implicated from poe nks or they're trying to set up ruxxar. Ritoky just blanket statements that we shouldn't lynch people on the wagon which is bad in this situation. It's either a high level ish kill or a bus but he's trying to make it neither. I'm feeling very good about sheeping myself. | ||
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On November 07 2017 04:21 Conversion wrote: let's say we lynch ritoky and he flips scum. who would the pool be narrowed down to for last scum? ruxxar (he's literally trying to ask shokeyy who he killed to see if he's the real vig) or damerion/damdred/happy tbh I haven't read any of the latter but damerion has been bugging me all game | ||
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I have points you could even discuss through and you aren't? Happykrogan is not mafia. | ||
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On November 07 2017 06:02 Conversion wrote: HF wants to lynch you, I'm probably gonna die but I'm leaning towards ruxxar more than zen. zen wants to lynch ruxxar. no idea about anyone else I'm thinking ruxxar too after tonight's posts. He's literally just questioned the vig repeatedly and coloured a vote list instead of interaction or going through other points. | ||
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On November 06 2017 23:47 Holyflare wrote: I get a bad feeling from ritoky. I'm definitely sure I've seen him vote off wagon or himself as a placeholder. Conversion voting himself was not scummy in the slightest and I don't know how people tried to twist it to be. Ritoky isn't the offender here, it's ruxxar, but I still get the bad juju from ritoky who has just been spouting rhetoric about not lynching mafia wagon instead of analysing the people. On November 06 2017 23:49 Holyflare wrote: Like a darthfoley kill does not make the slightest bit of sense unless one of the mafia people bussed their team mate and don't want to look implicated from poe nks or they're trying to set up ruxxar. Ritoky just blanket statements that we shouldn't lynch people on the wagon which is bad in this situation. It's either a high level ish kill or a bus but he's trying to make it neither. | ||
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On November 07 2017 06:08 ritoky wrote: happykrogan seems to be mafia in every world that doesn't involve ruxxar being mafia, so probably him. in the world where the game is auto after conv claimed since we had 3 lynches and 4 unknowns, that was reduced to 3 lynches 3 unknowns. it is happykrogan + hf/shockey (whichever is the 1 playing grab ass) in the world where zen accidentally'd his teammate it is him + 1 of the above in which case there's an argument to be made for hf and shockeyy playing grabass = town in which case krogan is more mafia than both of them. then there's the 3rd world where it was mvm like oats said and ruxxar is mafia, which makes the game dumb and less solved and i don't like that. but that's just at a glance. This is so unbelievably generic man come on. | ||
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Yet, you don't think ruxxar is mafia and you think happykrogan is mafia with shockey/myself but for some reason we go for killing the ruxxar wagon people. Iirc df even town read happy so that's him doing 2 suboptimal nk moves and you're saying I'm on a team with him and would let him do that. | ||
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that's the most bull shit thing I've heard | ||
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On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote: Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime. Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town. Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it. | ||
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