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On November 02 2017 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 08:43 Tictock wrote:
At pg 20 now.
DF and Oats were bickering incessantly last night but now I see DF saying he has mindmelded with Oats over their reads. Feels like a rather quick and convenient turn around to me.
Part of me wants to call BS on the whole argument they had and say it was actually a forced SvS fight, but that is probably far fetched. More likely is a Scum DF buddying Oats.
I actually like Oats calling out my HF read, it is kinda a mixed bag. I was too leinant with HF last time I played and left him slip by as scum when he pretended to be forced to speak Russian. Here I feel like his push on Conv was off when he was pushing Conv for his scum read on Damer when HF himself was voting Damer. Someone mentioned HF and Damer had a history last game though so idk how serious HF's opening vote was.
Also yea Damdred is being pretty lackluster since the game got going.
So Oats more likely Town than DF I think. Why is it off? Do you think that HF concocted a reason to push conversion or do you think that holyflare found something odd about why conversion thought that damerion was mafia?
I think it is off that HF dropped a vote on Damer with no explanation then pushed Conv for also thinking Damer is scum. Like the post HF made above was the first time I've seen him actually give a reason for his vote.
Thinking about it now it doesn't seem terribly in line for a scum!flare to attack a town!conv for having the same read if his goal is to get Damer lynched.
Still though I see HF sitting on this Damer vote while attacking Conv and myself without really trying to push any of us very hard. Just a lot of what HF is doing this game doesn't add up to me.
As for my read on Shokey, I'd give it a 70% chance he is scum. I'm actually debating if I want to switch to DF ATM kus I feel like he is being very opportunistic and is trying to buddy you. I'm also noting that you have basically ignored DF since you two got into it the other night.
Right now I'm thankful this game isn't going too fast and I have actually had a chance to keep up. I'm gunna read DF's filter tonight and decide who I prefer between him and Shokey.
I may do a list post sometime too, Right now I know both Vivax and Zen dude posted but we're completely forgettable. I think Bre is the only person to have not posted yet at this point?
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Oh and about HF's push on Conv, I didn't agree that Conv's read on Damer was scummy. So HF's scum read on Conv just seems out of left field to me.
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Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion...
On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all. I'm not putting words in HF's myouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game
On November 01 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
That's a quote from last game
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Where he was town?
This is crap bickering about stuff from last game.
I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer.
Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum"
Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here?
In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer.
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Ok read post and then bedtime.
Town -> Scum
Oats + Show Spoiler +Actively pushing the game, solid interactions, good tone. Would be majorly impressed if he is keeping this activity up while scum for the 2nd game in a row, specially endgaming last game
Ruxx + Show Spoiler +Feels like bubbly free flowing Ruxx. Activity is probably NAI for him but he's keeping his thoughts coming. Possibly buddied
Conv+ Show Spoiler +Just a newer player struggling to find ground. Got emo and tried to mayrter earlier on but never dropped off and resisted pressure. Likely Town
Krogan+ Show Spoiler +More nullish, raised some good points, not terribly active. Interesting opener
Damer+ Show Spoiler +Had a decent post, dissapeared. Possible god reads, I foolishly have hope he will do something interesting before EoD
Breshke + Show Spoiler +I hope I spelled his name right. Possibly will be renamed with an R name
Damdred + Show Spoiler +damdead? A couple decent tonal reads, pretty meh
HF+ Show Spoiler +I've already talked a lot on this read, may be stuck at odds with him
Vivax+ Show Spoiler +pretty forgettable this game, gets this spot because his name was autocorrected into vivacious
Zendude+ Show Spoiler +Made one big post about DF, needs to play the game, Super new?
Shokey+ Show Spoiler +shaped up his game noticeably after pressure, lynchbait or scum?
DF+ Show Spoiler +all over the place, don't get where his head is at, he goes from super bitchcy with Oats to hard buddy mode for no reason, main reason to scum read me is something silly I said early on about him
I think this is more or less where I am, I had to skim DF's filter more than I would have liked due to needing sleep and all. I think I will be happy if anyone from my bottom 5 get lynched.
I'm going to sleep on my vote I should probably move it to DF but based on last count it seems pretty likely one of him and Shokey are getting lynched and I'm not sure I really care which ATM.
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On November 02 2017 16:18 Holyflare wrote:
Like my 2nd post is my vote and the third is an explanation of that vote. There's quite literally nothing more to talk about Damerion because he hasn't posted a single thing since.
Also conversion effectively called Damerion scummy without saying he was scummy. He said "oh his posting style is completely different and that's bad! (but anyone in context would read that as scummy)" and then be proceeded to quote me from last game to further that argument that Damerion is weird but Damerion was town when I made that argument. Conversion was literally arguing about Damerion being mafia (but apparently it was just strange and not mafia) but using my wrong read to further the argument.
It really wasn't blown out of proportion like you purport at all. That's incredibly disingenuous.
You are right I missed you explain your vote in your 3rd post till I reread last night, thought I mentioned that but it may have slipped my attention.
I do think you and many other players blow stuff out of proportion when people are just sharing their thoughts. Like Conv noticed something that was different in Damer's play and made a note about it, then everyone made a huge deal about him speaking his mind. That is what is being blow out of proportion imo. People generally go with feelings and gut reads day one and sometimes those reads aren't super nailed down. That is basically how I play all the time and it always gets me scum read, buy I don't give a shit kus it is how I prefer to approach the game.
It bugs me when I see you guys forcing someone into a corner when there is just misunderstandings about what they are trying to say. The pressure is fine, that is part of the game, it just gets excessive and it's something I notice older scum players will hide behind.
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On November 02 2017 16:39 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 14:31 Tictock wrote:Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion... On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all. I'm not putting words in HF's myouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game On November 01 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
That's a quote from last game
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Where he was town? This is crap bickering about stuff from last game. I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer. Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum" Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here? In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer. I don’t think you actually understood what went down there between me, Conversion and holyflare, so let me recap it for you: 1) Conversion calls damerion scum, due to the fact that damerion has changed his play style. Conversion says this is scummy because holyflare has said that there was no reason for damerion to change his play style since it was working so well for him. only when questioned by me does conversion admit that holyflare never said that this game, but that it was actually a quote from last game. Conversion also made it seem like it was super obvious he was talking about something holyflare said last game. 2) As if that wasn’t bad enough, the argument that conversion claimed holyflare used to call damerion scum was actually wrong. Holy flare last game claimed that damerion was scummy for changing his play style. Well, Damerion was town last game, so holyflares argument was incorrect. Conversion did not seem to have evaluated that part at all and just wanted more credibility to his damerion read by adding holyflares name to his post. The fact that you didn’t understand that is affecting my view of you negatively.
Ok I don't give a shit about this anymore, I don't get the full context of what the quote was from last game, I just see Conv noting something he thought was weird and it got blown up by several people.
Bottom line is I think Conv is Town because despite all this shit he has stayed active and hasn't backed down from his thinking. The maytering was bad but I can see why he would get flustered.
I'm done trying to explain why I see this the way I do.
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On November 03 2017 00:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I feel a bit odd about TT too, as some one who understands the amount of hours worked, I wouldn't come in posting my thoughts after each person's post in the thread, this caused him to change his view on the game all the time, something I feel like scum wouldn't even care about anyways.
I would of gathered my thoughts first on the overall conversation, and then provide quick bullets on each of the topics i wanted to discuss; Zen's big post here. I felt like TT was just trying to string together posts after each response in the thread to make it look like he was active, while letting his scum buddies do the rest when he's not available.
This is literally how I play every game.
I like to respond to things as soon as I read them else I feel like I will have a harder time recalling things later on.
And yes I always get called out for it as well.
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On November 03 2017 01:17 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 01:11 Tictock wrote:On November 02 2017 16:39 ruXxar wrote:On November 02 2017 14:31 Tictock wrote:Oats if this is what you are talking about re HFvsConcersion... On November 01 2017 09:23 Conversion wrote:On October 15 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:
You might say that "oh hf but he already said he's finding town this game instead of looking for scummy things that's why it's different!" but without talking about ongoing games he did very well with the previous strategy so I don't see a need to change it up at all. I'm not putting words in HF's myouth-- he has like 2 posts so far, why did you think I was talking about this game On November 01 2017 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
That's a quote from last game
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Where he was town? This is crap bickering about stuff from last game. I tend to zone out when people talk around each other, kus Conv was making a point about HF anyways not Damer. Besides Conv's original read on Damer was basically just "he's different than last game, that's weird, that could maybe mean he's scum" Honestly rereading that I feel like HF was blowing shit out of proportion and jumping down Conv's throat. All the while voting the guy Conv had issues with. Do you see why I'm seeing a possible scum!flare here? In fact I don't even think a HF/Damer team is impossible here. I feel like HF has spent most of the game pushing people other than Damer. I don’t think you actually understood what went down there between me, Conversion and holyflare, so let me recap it for you: 1) Conversion calls damerion scum, due to the fact that damerion has changed his play style. Conversion says this is scummy because holyflare has said that there was no reason for damerion to change his play style since it was working so well for him. only when questioned by me does conversion admit that holyflare never said that this game, but that it was actually a quote from last game. Conversion also made it seem like it was super obvious he was talking about something holyflare said last game. 2) As if that wasn’t bad enough, the argument that conversion claimed holyflare used to call damerion scum was actually wrong. Holy flare last game claimed that damerion was scummy for changing his play style. Well, Damerion was town last game, so holyflares argument was incorrect. Conversion did not seem to have evaluated that part at all and just wanted more credibility to his damerion read by adding holyflares name to his post. The fact that you didn’t understand that is affecting my view of you negatively. Ok I don't give a shit about this anymore, I don't get the full context of what the quote was from last game, I just see Conv noting something he thought was weird and it got blown up by several people. Bottom line is I think Conv is Town because despite all this shit he has stayed active and hasn't backed down from his thinking. The maytering was bad but I can see why he would get flustered. I'm done trying to explain why I see this the way I do. I don't care about conversion right now. I care about you and your terrible read list.
Care to elaborate on why it was so bad?
I tried to give general reasons why so felt the way I do about everyone, I really don't have time to filter every player and list each thing I like or dislike. At least not when I'm working doubles and phone posting.
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Actually next break I get I'm going to ignore reading new posts and try and dive some filters.
I feel like so am just playing catchup this game and that's exactly the mistake so made last game.
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We had a late lynch rush at my morning job so I have shit for time today, basically just the next half hour and I need to eat lunch in that time as well. No time for filters, just gunna skim a bit.
This caught my eye:
On November 03 2017 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 01:19 Tictock wrote:On November 03 2017 00:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I feel a bit odd about TT too, as some one who understands the amount of hours worked, I wouldn't come in posting my thoughts after each person's post in the thread, this caused him to change his view on the game all the time, something I feel like scum wouldn't even care about anyways.
I would of gathered my thoughts first on the overall conversation, and then provide quick bullets on each of the topics i wanted to discuss; Zen's big post here. I felt like TT was just trying to string together posts after each response in the thread to make it look like he was active, while letting his scum buddies do the rest when he's not available. This is literally how I play every game. I like to respond to things as soon as I read them else I feel like I will have a harder time recalling things later on. And yes I always get called out for it as well. And how many of those times were you actually scum? I'm not voting for you yet cause that's not an indication that you can be scum, but it definitely leans towards it. I don't care much for why you're voting for me, but if you're thinking I'm scum over the others that are very likely to be scum, then you obviously see the game differently.
First, in response. Hardly any, I think? I haven't been playing much mafia and I've only rolled Town in the past year. Probably an easy thing to check via the database.
Second, it occurres to me that scum!Shokey has everything to gain by pushing me here when there is clearly several people scum reading me and he is in danger of being lynched ATM.
##Unvote
Gunna put my vote on DF and try to catch up.
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On November 03 2017 01:52 ruXxar wrote:
In general it feels like you've just skimmed the thread and not actually taken the time to really understand the arguments that people have been making.
Would you say that is an accurate description?
No, but like I said earlier I wasn't trying to give super deep reads there. Was more of a general sense of where my head was at for each player. I felt like that would have been obvious with how I put out those reads.
I gave you a Town pass early on for those reasons and nothing since then has raised a flag in my mind about you. I've had better places to spend my limited time this game.
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On November 03 2017 01:56 Damdred wrote:
TT like not trying to interact with me when I am pushing for his lynch is interesting but interacted with others.
I think we might be onto something here, all this other noise idk but people should folllow me onto tt
Well did you say anything to me? No I think you kinda just sheeped the thread sentiment on me TBH.
Come on Damdred you played with me last game and did this same shit, and where did that get you?
You were Town that game, but maybe you just see me as an easy push here.
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On November 03 2017 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
I'm lynching vivax, you guys are welcome to vote for mafia or be on a different wagon.
##vote vivax
Vivax might well be a solid vote, I almost forgot about him.
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On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,
I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.
I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.
Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen
The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.
But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.
And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.
Ugh besides mentioning Zen this is literally just Thread sentiment ATM minus DF. Pretty unimpressed.
I gotta eat and get moving, I'll try and fishing reading on the way, but I'm ok with my vote on DF.
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Am I totally OMGUS for wanting to lynch Damer now?
He literally shows up right at EoD with nothing really new to add. Suggests a Me + Zen team with Zen his more likely scum. Then wants to sheep Damdreds read on me?!?
I get that he is buddies with Damdre but Damdred has been so unimpressive this game.
Also can we get a vote count?
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Sneaking a minuet in at work. I feel like we need to consolidate but have no idea where votes are at.
If I end up the lynch look into the Damer-bros.
DF feels so sidelined this EoD too, I don't know why everyone forgot about him.
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On November 03 2017 06:54 darthfoley wrote:
Basically this is Ruxxar vs. TT with 7 minutes left. i'm trying to figure out what the VC is
If this is true I'll vote Ruxx for survival. I'd really like to be able to put in more than fleeting minuets.
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