EPTThis looks like a super interesting setup. Heavy potential for for possible problems, but I really want to see how this works out.
[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia
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This looks like a super interesting setup. Heavy potential for for possible problems, but I really want to see how this works out. | ||
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On August 14 2017 05:50 Conversion wrote: hello people I am here unlike last game I remembered that I signed up -_- Have you read your role pm? | ||
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On August 14 2017 05:45 geript wrote: I think there's a decent weird possible plans for judges. I like the idea of nominating one person in both groups (powerup and lynch) as a way of saying X person is scum. Rayn, do you agree with this plan? | ||
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Judges nominate 3 people for a power-up. But instead of choosing 3 people they think are town, they choose only 2 people they think are town and 1 guy they think is scum. Then, they nominate the guy they think is scum for lynch with 2 other people they think are scum so we get an outside opinion on things. Even if they can't make an argument. | ||
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On August 14 2017 05:59 Conversion wrote: yes do role PMs matter here? judges are already revealed through day post Yah, I usually don't read big mod posts. | ||
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On August 14 2017 05:59 Conversion wrote: yes do role PMs matter here? judges are already revealed through day post Do you have an alteration to my plan or see any issues with it? | ||
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On August 14 2017 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Judges - as far as i know - decide who gets the "power up". I think judges should always nominate the dude they give the power up also up for lynch, so instead of 3 people we have only 2 people to decide from (unless the judges are shit ofc). The Rules Judges (3): The judges win when all saboteurs have been eliminated from the contest. Saboteurs cheating to win MS Paint-Off Mafia would reflect poorly on them and the producers. They cannot be lynched or killed. They will have a separate QT and may not post in the game thread. The judges will select 3 top artists, and 2-3 bottom artists to be voted between each day phase. Honest Contestants (10-16): The honest contestants win when all saboteurs have been eliminated from the contest. There are no power roles in this game. Basically, Judges choose 2 different groups: a group of 3 one of which gets a power-up and a group of 3 one of which gets lynched. Town votes on both groups. The judges can include a person in both groups as a way of saying "I think this guy is scum." Plus, since they'll be less likely to give scum a powerup if they are only 'nominating' 2 people instead of 3. It's kinda mediocre on D1 since in hours 25-48 we vote for the powerup and don't get the lynch list until hour 49 (if i'm reading it correctly). But it should be pretty obvious that 2 guys are way townier than the third. Kinda like the old nomination game. | ||
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On August 14 2017 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript what's your stance on damdred? Meh, NIA. Probably scum for standing me up last game though. | ||
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On August 14 2017 06:49 ritoky wrote: normally i like people who tell other people to go fuck themselves in the face of pressure and find it to be a town trait. but jealous consciously took the time to write his name in green on his shirt. i feel like taking the time to consciously communicate your alignment color via color in a drawing wouldn't be at the forefront of the mind of a townie. so he is whatever mafia is called this game. On August 14 2017 06:52 ritoky wrote: he is kinda funny tho, but then he said kappa and ruined it all. Idk how I feel about him. Like he really pisses me off, but also he's fucking hilarious. I think I'm going to pretend he's chezinu which puts him null-scum because he hasn't really expressed a real thought in his stuff. On August 14 2017 07:07 CopCake wrote: Pretty sure rayn is mafia. On August 14 2017 07:10 CopCake wrote: Didnt like his "I have a plan" and said nothing about it This read is weird as shit. It's a super good plan (or was which was why Artanis nixed it). It's actually kinda why I think Rayn is more likely to be town. On August 14 2017 14:24 Tumblewood wrote: tempted to call everyone who posted in the last 2 hours town. partially for the posting and partially for the posts, if that makes sense. How does Jealous fangirling over Copcake, Copcake stating her read isn't a read and drawing a worthless picture, and FF asking to not be given goodies make any of them town? | ||
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On August 14 2017 15:39 ritoky wrote: i am at lunch....having a rough one tonight. 4 codes in 3 and a half hours, no bueno. what's up? And ugh. Cardiac floor? | ||
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On August 14 2017 15:51 ritoky wrote: Emergency room, though sometimes when they get turfed to ICU I follow them. How do you handle the craziness? I need more stability in my life which is currently a bit ironic. | ||
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On August 14 2017 15:51 Holyflare wrote: Jealous is at least giving reads, which I like. Don't necessarily agree that geript is mafia because he wanted to gove judges a voice but it's 0 real content so I'd rather wait on that. The best plan is 100% giving me a vest so I don't die. Also do mafia get nks? Not really sure how this works? Can't mafia just nk whoever gets a good power? I think it's a guessing game as to what power role is chosen. Self-vest negates the NK, heal gives shooting elsewhere a risk, cop can punish not shooting the winner. Earlier I thought each role only could go out once, but it looks like that isn't limited. So idk; seems like a shell game. | ||
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On August 14 2017 15:57 Holyflare wrote: I'm pretty sure if mafia do get a nk we should 100% of the time take vests so they can't kill anyone?? Is that game breaking?? Also I don't think it's a swing and a miss. Everyone in the game gave some form of content in the thread based on very little whereas you have an incredibly slow start and say absolutely nothing. Only now have you any kind of read and it just piggybacks geript. I thought each prize could only be won once, but I don't see that. Always taking best seems pretty solid. | ||
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On August 14 2017 16:33 CopCake wrote: Wait wait wait the judges dont pick? Judges only select the group; they have no voting power otherwise. | ||
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On August 14 2017 16:41 CopCake wrote: Someone explain that to me in easy way before i sleep The judges will select the groups which everyone who is alive in the game will vote for. For example, judges can choose Rayn, ritoky, geript for top, then everyone (except judges) will vote who out of Rayn, ritoky and geript get the prize. Judges can only select who gets the vigi gun; but they must choose before D4 and choose unanimously. | ||
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On August 14 2017 22:47 Holyflare wrote: My read on ritoky is nothing about him being angry he's a clock. Hahaha. That was just a joke. The lie detector test determined this was a lie. | ||
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On August 14 2017 18:17 Holyflare wrote: Copcake/jealous/hf Geript Tw Onegu/conversion/ff/rels/hopeless Rayn/ritoky/damd I disagree about Cop/Jealous dumb tells; other than that this list is pretty good. Damdred feels way detatched from this game. | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:25 Holyflare wrote: The dumb tell is on top of the fact that jealous has called out what he assumes to be bull shit all game. I like it a lot. Copcake drops to your level for calling out rayn but not much else other than discuss about a clock with ritoky. Still called out rayn though. I can understand the Jealous read. I don't really like it; part of which was probably because he was calling me scum. But mostly because it's such an inconsequential thing. IIRC, his argument is that I'm scum because I want the judges to risk scum getting items in order to say "This guy is scum" when they could convey that through how they order the lists. It's just an easy nonsense argument to fight against as any alignment; especially since he didn't even bother to rationalize his argument in light of Artanis shooting down my plan. | ||
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On August 14 2017 23:49 Holyflare wrote: I think it was so fucking dumb it has to be town. That's all :D I prefer to think of him as chezinu. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk? TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post. TW is approaching the game super differently from last game. Literally not a single read but spends his time poopooing reads. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:09 geript wrote: TW is approaching the game super differently from last game. Literally not a single read but spends his time poopooing reads. Ok 1 read, but it's super shitty. Point still stands | ||
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Remember TW last game here. Didn't spend any time at cutting away at reads. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote: i have "poopoo'd" 1 read. literally i have less than 10 posts in a ridiculously inactive d1. and you may have noticed that all the ones today have not been as you described. so um stop looking for excuses to attack me? Why are you so defensive about such a "super weak" meta read? For the record it's actually 2 reads you've tried to poop on. I didn't even go into your shitty "X person is town" reads you gave out all last game but have (other than the conversion post) not done whatsoever this game. Last game you just thought whatever stupid shit you thought, but this game you literally have a single thought. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:19 Holyflare wrote: Town tw doesn't give a shit what people think and just posts town and scum reads freely On August 15 2017 00:25 geript wrote: Last game you (Town TW) just thought whatever stupid shit you thought. These are the applicable meta points. On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote: i have "poopoo'd" 1 read. literally i have less than 10 posts in a ridiculously inactive d1. and you may have noticed that all the ones today have not been as you described. so um stop looking for excuses to attack me? There are two big things in this post. First, TW bothers to point out that the meta attack is super weak based on how this game has played out but isn't approaching it from either "bad meta you're scum" or "dude we're both town and you should see that because bad meta." It's literally just a release the pressure valve post; and pressure release isn't how TW seems to respond to pressure as town (see above meta). Second, is: On August 15 2017 00:16 Tumblewood wrote: so um stop looking for excuses to attack me? It's fucking passive as hell. Somewhat a continuation on meta, but really more an extenuation of scum mentality and more of this: On August 14 2017 14:24 Tumblewood wrote: tempted to call everyone who posted in the last 2 hours town. partially for the posting and partially for the posts, if that makes sense. It's not a read, it's not a push. He can fully back off from it. It's posting to post, not posting to convey a point. Town!TW is able to explain his bad reads (kinda) and can easily respond to: On August 15 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood what is the town rayn motivation to say you have a bad post and then have no elaboration but just afk? TW drops to scummy for missing obvious point of post. Without giving a completely fucking non-sensical response he does here. On August 15 2017 00:11 Tumblewood wrote: maybe you don't want or aren't able to post the analysis? dunno bout you but in my experience town have enough motivation to do it plenty of the time. and then what would be the motivation for scum trying to look like town? This is not an answer. It's not a coherent thought. It's not even a fucking weird thought like TW's Conversion read is (or many of his reads last game). It doesn't answer the question, it doesn't do anything. More (full) meta later on when I have time to do a big read. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:34 Damdred wrote: Geript might be scum though, that read is a bit flimsy though. Explain now | ||
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On August 15 2017 02:02 Holyflare wrote: No I'm getting a read on tw. If he's mafia rayn is town. Why can't they both share an alignment? | ||
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On August 15 2017 02:07 Tumblewood wrote: duh, did u see how much information i have? waay too much information Let me rephrase. Why can't they both be scum? | ||
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On August 15 2017 02:13 Hopeless1der wrote: Well obviously Rayn would never let TW defend him with such a terrible meta defense kappa /s? I don't ever remember Rayn being a team controlling player; besides it's not like TW is sitting on Ryan's lap waiting for daddy to approve his posts and hit send. There's more reason to call TW scum than just "perfect knowledge." | ||
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On August 15 2017 02:27 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm not subscribed to the idea that one's alignment affects the other's, just in case it wasn't clear, but TW is scum and rayn is town to me. Why is Rayn Town? He's not even Rayn-lite currently. Drunk Rayn has more to say and more coherent thoughts. Town!Rayn does something. Town!Rayn doesn't forget that I'm the one that pushed Jealous to post instead of draw picture. Town!Rayn has reads: On August 14 2017 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i didn't, i said "the idea is the judges will nominate 2 ppl and the one they give the power so we have one dude noone is gonna vote." which is 2 lynch wagons instead of 3. It's not stupid, in fact it is so OP Artanis decided to remove it from the game.... That in itself should probably tell you something about if it is stupid or not... Because me not giving reads doesn't make me anything. It is that fucking simple. I have until tomorrow night to decide who i think is mafia. Your read on ritoky is also garbage because the Jealous thing was obviously at least a half joke and "he got mad over being a clock in someone's picture" is a terrible reason to call anyone mafia. In fact ritoky's, what to call it... un-tryhardness probably makes him town. geript can also be town for now since he tried to break the game. Cake always thinks i am mafia when she is town so i don't see a reason why she wouldn't do that as mafia. It's actually quite annoying especially when the reasoning is something she didn't even properly read in the first place. It's like Xatalos annoying. For the record there are probably 0 games where Cake has read the OP as any alignment so there goes that dumbtell theory, i don't even know what the Jealous one is. I agree with whoever said Jealous should post properly. I don't care if he is posting reads in the pictures, posting reads doesn't make people town, because almost any mafia nowadays is not stupid enough to not post reads or do anything and get caught by it. At least i can't figure out motivation of post from a picture in a same way than i can from written text, and i would like him to play properly. Then there is Tumblewood who started questioning Cake (which i liked) and then ended up with "well i didn't even think that makes you anything" which i hated. Into "let's be town everyone" post. I have seen Tumblewood do the same sort of questioning before and it didn't end like that. rn i am too lazy and sleepy to dig up more into that, gotta eat and sleep first. I almost have a read on Hopelesswonder but i don't. I most likely will though when he posts more. You can be anything and i tend to not really care unless you do something scummy. You will probably die early anyways in case you are town. But you won't bully me into doing something i don't want to do, I will talk to you when you have something i don't find badly reasoned. Everyone else has not done anything i can make something of. This has nothing on anybody in a way that Town!Rayn thinks about the game. | ||
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On August 15 2017 00:34 Damdred wrote: Geript might be scum though, that read is a bit flimsy though. Time to explain this On August 15 2017 03:29 Damdred wrote: Geript will never be town to me ritoky, our trust is broken. You're the one who stood me up. You could've had that good Geript D you always wanted | ||
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On August 15 2017 04:53 Damdred wrote: I am unsure what I really think of you right now geript. I think you are just probably town and I'm being a bit off right now, but I'm not sold on it just yet. Like I should have a much stronger read on ritoky here as well but he's doing one or two things tag are worrying me slightly. As for actual scum reads, I am lacking in that department. I actually need you to talk about why you thought I was scum and are waffles on me now dear. I think Artanis would frown on us going back to our QT to talk and I'm pretty waffles to scum on you. There's no #Damdred read from you yet that I can see. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:19 Damdred wrote: Honestly at one point you just seem way to pointed and have so much direction early on. And started to get a thread prescense while get to town read. It made me think of a few I your msg games. The later postings seem pretty towny, and the initial play I think comes from town not likely. Eh.... I can understand pointed/directed geript = scum geript; I don't think it's wholly right and this game setup changes things a little. Why do you like copcake? I really hated her aside post on Rayn. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote: I was about to say geript lol.. I'm voting jealous. I dont trust HF yet and cake just pulled some shit at the end of the day there. I feel like having legit drawings was a requirement at this point. I think voting Jealous is only marginally better than voting Copcake. But both are bad. HF hasn't really been pushing bullshit; he just feels like Town. Jealous hasn't really done anything and isn't really pushing any agenda; just mostly distraction shit. That's chezinu mafia meta. Even Slam tries to make points in his incoherent messes. That's a major gamble imo. | ||
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On August 15 2017 05:55 CopCake wrote: I never saw you quoting me or asking me thing and you promised we work together He often breaks his promises and hearts. He's really a big fat liar liar pants on fire. | ||
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On August 15 2017 11:07 ritoky wrote: jealous - ???? he's funny, but proclaims self dunce which makes it feel like an act and since his geript boner died he has felt pretty preipheral, pretty hard meh. This is so fucking spot on. | ||
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Ritoky--I just kinda think he's town. He feels like he's doing something as opposed to trying to do something. I'll filter him to confirm at some point On August 15 2017 00:52 Damdred wrote: I guess he could be scum? But I am unsure and don't think scum tw would go so hard after your rayn read. And cupcake rayn read early. Granted it could be a chainsaw defense and the likelihood of him being scum goes up drastically if we assume something odd is there. But I don't think so I think tw just doesn't like the argument and has drawn a lot of attention to himself. Damdred--I'm super waffles on. I like that he also brings up Jealous as doing basically nothing. But I've found that usually when damdred is town there's a cool read that I want to steal from him. Something that sparks me to think about players in a new way or just rings as being true. There's something that shows that he's thinking about the game as opposed to just playing the game. And I'm not seeing that here. But I like that he still wants lynch Rayn. But Damdred also thinks TW is town for reasons that I don't really associate with town!damdred. TW--Little new here. tldr, this game he gives fucks about what people think about what he posts while he doesn't seem to normally as town and he's more interactive rather than shouting at thread Jealous--The only reason I can think of to townread him is is that he's only posting via gif and that scum are super unlikely to limit their thread pull to that little an effect. That's the quality of argument that I think would appeal to both Koshi and Vivax. I don't think there's any real reason to read this guy as anything and I'll be happy to lynch him whenever the fuck I get a chance. I don't understand anyone who's voting to give this guy the power-up. FF--Is basically not playing the game HF--I'm not going to claim to be a god at reading HF. But he feels a lot like day 2 in Generic; he has an agenda to push but it's not any specific agenda. He posts don't remind me of a used car salesman which is basically how I felt most of last game. Copcake--I will come back to her at the end Conversion-- On August 14 2017 22:53 Conversion wrote: do you mind me asking how you almost have a read on someone who only has two posts? just curious It feels minor, but it's really weird to me that Conversion bothers to filter Hopeless but still counts hopeless' /in post. I also hate how almost every statement he ends with a question like he's unsure or qualifies some other way to downplay it. I hate it more that I can't seem to remember any specific Conversion post, but when I read his filter I'm all like meh, ugh, bad post. For a new player he feels far less active than he actually is. Onegu--MIA Rels--MIA Hopeless--Other than some random stuff (like voting for Jealous), I kinda feel like he's town. I actually feel pretty good about my townreads, but there are way too many fucking question marks. Just under half of the players are effectively or actually MIA. 2 players who are capable of being super town who aren't. Like, wtf happened? When did people en masse stop actually at least trying to play fucking mafia when they signed up? It really fucking pisses me off because I can play despite like an 8 hour D&D break, sleeping, napping, job hunting, making lunch/dinner, calling to try and setup interviews, posting about league, watching and commenting on a mostly extinct card game, etc. Like I get really tired of other people not putting in effort. I'm really tired of the constant rah rah to be readable. I'm tired. Going to shit and get a snack then come back to Cop. | ||
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On August 15 2017 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote: before I go to bed, I just want to point out that the last few posts of the thread are shitting on the reads of the 3 CONFIRMED TOWN JUDGES.WHO ARE TRYING TO WIN THE GAME FOR YOU PLEBS. That is all. Make conclusions as you see fit. (I refer specifically to Jealous, and his perceived value to the thread this cycle) 1. What contribution do you think he has actually added to the game? 2. Two of those judges are Koshi and Vivax; who to be honest, their reads are maybe accurate as mine are. Koshi is a troll half the time and Vivax is a fucking wild card at best. Neither of those guys are that strong at actually analyzing townreads IMO. 3. At least two of those judges hold grudges imo. 4. Those judges had 24 hours to pick 3 people; they're kinda on a stricter time crunch and had less to evaluate them on. They chose pretty obvious HF and two fucking wild cards. Koshi often gives no fucks when he actually plays games; putting him in a semi-obs position I don't think is going to get him that much more involved. 5. I'm actually interested in their Copcake read. That and I want to reread her, HF, and Damdred. 6. I'm still fucking salty they didn't pick me. | ||
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On August 15 2017 13:17 CopCake wrote: Yeah I am a wild card but town. I feel cool with that, wild card. I think part of my problem readin you is that I thought of you as like Rayn lite. Hyper aggressive, bullying, and more bouncy, just not as good. Like drawing me as a puppy made me happy because I like dogs and in Wave's game I was UZI. You did call out Rayn, which I like. There's the TW read which is almost so terrible it might make you Town. I just remember you being more logical. I think you're a bit more serious as scum or would be, which is a point in your favor. I don't feel like there's a foundation read that I can build on. Plus I'm still peeved about you calling me an old woman who kicks kittens. I'm not quite sure which aspect (old woman vs kitten kicker) bugs me more. | ||
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On August 15 2017 14:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi if you put me into the lynch pule i will lynch myself to prove my point but Holyflare is always mafia. To quote you, "Tell us why" | ||
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HF's question (@~18 hrs in) was: "Why is TW's null read on cop bad when you (Rayn) had a null read on her?" Ryan's argument sounds good, but I don't think actually is basically: TW=/=Rayn. Which is true, but Rayn isn't really analyzing what TW is doing. If Rayn (who is better and has oodles of XP with Cop) has a null read at that point on Cop, it should be more odd (to Rayn) if TW comes up with a read on her. What's even worse is that Rayn calls TW bad for post 190 (a point I agree with), but Rayn doesn't dig to realize that TW is in fact calling Cop Town there. Big point: Rayn not critically reading/analyzing Side note: there's a point to be made here that the same point can be made HF looks bad for making the argument in the first place. I'm excusing that in this case, because most good players will often stretch bad/mediocre arguments in order to push a "read" in order to get a read. Here, Ryan's 'clarification' proves the big point of him not readin/analyzing critically as Town Rayn would. Ryan's HF argument of Conversion push into Onegu push is bad. Ryan's ritoky argument is actually good. @HF why did you call ritoky' Hopeless being in top 3 read disingenuous? You basically at the same time have Hopeless in top 3 Town and hopeless' activity burst was 24 hours ago until 18 hours ago IIRC. Still looking. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Hopeless started being good near when the people got picked. At least that's when I started properly town reading him? Actually NM, I'm reading your posts on ritoky wrong. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Yes, he only had 1 page of filter at this point. That's why ritoky's and rayn's comments are super disingenuous. No I get it, it's just super fucking hard to find the exact posts I want in filters then read them in context on an iPad because I can't use controlF to find the post I want them go from there. Please disregard the Rayn's ritoky point being good... it is not. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:06 ritoky wrote: rayn seems kinda town to me. i don't know why people are defending jealous' "reads posts". the last picture one was kinda something but the other 2 are just thread/post summary pure and simple. they don't actually have any original thought. still no clue what that makes him, but defending him like he is town jesus over that is lul. The funny thing is that him misreading the HF posts on ritoky actually makes me feel slightly better about him. It shouldn't, but in his haste he miscues on posts at least once a game. | ||
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On August 16 2017 04:58 geript wrote: @Rayn, why do you think Damdred is Town? Yo Rayn!!! Plz | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:16 Holyflare wrote: let me just confirm I think raynpelikoneet is absolutely town. Why can't you just say what you mean the first time? You do stupid shit like red checking Rels. It's literally a waste of people's time and opens up to the WIFOM of "did he actually get a gun?," "Is he saying this because he thinks mafia with RB him to prevent the shot?," "is this another #HFMindGame?," etc. I'm pissed because I think you're town and this is the second game you've done stupid shit like this which doesn't actually serve any purporse. | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:34 Holyflare wrote: waste of time what? I said it within 10 minutes Because it's you. Everytime you pull shit like this people (myself included), think... "Oh is HF just pulling bullshit to distract people." "Should I upgrade my HF paranoid ideas to solid." "Is this a #townHF play or #scumHF play?" etc. You're a good player who people are almost always fucking paranoid about even when you're like obvious 99% town. It cuts down from them actually thinking about useful things (like who to lynch) and doesn't actually let people understand and adopt your read. I've said my peace. | ||
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On August 16 2017 06:39 Holyflare wrote: He told the hosts to fuck off. He rage quit the thread and said he's quitting. He said the mods wouldn't replace him. Artanis Rayn isn't a dick bag and it's a combination of all of these things. He doesn't replace out of a mafia team for getting called out as mafia. Never ever in a million years. He's confirmed town. Not 100%, but I'm pretty sure he's told me to fuck off when he was scum in one of my games. The Rayn is not a dickbag is a pretty solid reason. It really pisses me off that this setup looks like it allows using that line of thinking; it really ruins games. Like OGI should never ever be part of a game under any circumstances. | ||
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Can you explain your copcake read and how it progressed? | ||
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On August 16 2017 07:28 Holyflare wrote: I mean I just get the feeling he's making posts digging buttt then it stops there? Feels like harassing with no conclusion. It's weak but I could see why he got voted. I guess I'm guilty of the same sometimes but I do surmise eventually. I can understand this, but I thought his ~24 hour mark back and forth with ritoky made him look townie. In looking at his filter, it's not quite as good and has that "commentator" feel to it a bit. | ||
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On August 16 2017 07:41 Holyflare wrote: I should probably read his filter I notice much other than that tbh. The worst I saw was: On August 15 2017 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn's (lack of a) read on cake is mildly concerning, but his logic that TW should have a read isnt hypocritical to me since TW entered into a discussion/argument and exited with nothing to show for it. Which I pretty vehemently disagree with. I've never thought of Hopeless as a super critical/digging player. So him not thinking through/digging out the whole set of interactions doesn't really strike me as indicative of him. | ||
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On August 16 2017 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I still haven't filtered copcake tbh and i use adobe draw for my phone i don't understand it fully or it lacks features That's fine, I'm just curious about why you have always had a town read on her. One that hasn't seemed to change or been explained. | ||
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On August 16 2017 08:07 Fecalfeast wrote: I called her town way back after she was picked but have just kinda had her on the backburner since then because i had decided hf was my pick... kinda regretting that now. I think it was about her reaction to ritoky being mad or at lleast that she perceived him as mad and her reaction to that. I haven't revisited her from my first tr. I also kinda like how she called herself scummy although i would totally do that as scum Yes. I saw that you called her Town. I'm curious kinda because you never explain the read and never seem to have filtered her and I don't think she was (or is) obvious Town. | ||
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On August 15 2017 21:39 Conversion wrote: too little time to actually read through filters atm so I'll give a dumb list like y'all null: everyone not on my second list scummy: HF if he lives past N1 and I get lynched and I flip town Hopeless1der HF if you do have a gun you should 100% shoot this guy. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone new or not say "If I flip Town" | ||
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1. All the more reason for me understanding how martyring tends to go. 2. I've done my fair share of martyring over the years... how does that detract from my argument. | ||
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On August 16 2017 13:00 Jealous wrote: In* that was the perfect time for autocorrect to fuck me. What do you think of Conversion? Side track, I know. | ||
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I kinda like FF's catch up post, though I hate how he has Damdred as town. but I really hate how twice he seems to be filtering/catching up while simultaneously asking for a filter to dive. I hate more that he later filters Damdred and has him at null to scum because there's nothing new in what he's said; it's just a lame rehash of what I or HF have said. I just don't see a reason to townread him. | ||
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On August 16 2017 16:39 Holyflare wrote: So why exactly are we voting confirmed town rayn? If there wasn't a shot on him then would you still be voting on him? I don't know. I don't really get it. I'd probably be voting for Rayn if it weren't for that. What do you think of the Conversion quote? | ||
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On August 16 2017 08:18 geript wrote: HF if you do have a gun you should 100% shoot this guy. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone new or not say "If I flip Town" This specifically? | ||
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On August 16 2017 16:58 Holyflare wrote: If this has happened then I will never acknowledge this game. Lol. For some reason I get the image of Vivax, Koshi and Superbia pulling a slot machine handle to determine their selections. | ||
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On August 16 2017 17:30 Holyflare wrote: I also have no idea what to think of copcake. She's done absolutely nothing and when called out just calls me mafia but doesn't even push anything to do with it. I don't get any critical thinking whatsoever. I don't understand the wild town reads from ritoky and tw at all. Maybe it's a language barrier thing but even then it's like she doesn't care about the content. Her mafia read is ritoky because he was angry about the clock. Still. She's also forgotten damdred is her scum read?? Nobody seems to care about that. Certainly haven't heard it from her. Ritoky an Hopeless did. I only vaguely remember playing games with her. She seems like a Ruxxar last game but much less active. Her TW read was like super left field. I'll look at why Rayn is calling her Town again in the morning. | ||
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On August 16 2017 17:38 Holyflare wrote: Thing about damdred is he called out conversion. But does that matter if he didn't push it? I'm not too sure it does. But he also townread him | ||
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On August 16 2017 17:39 Holyflare wrote: Rels better put in the greatest work he's ever done or else I'm done with Rels. I keep hoping to be a vig just so I can shoot players like him. | ||
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On August 16 2017 17:40 Holyflare wrote: Yeh at the same point that I got towny feels too. So got that mindmeld thing going for him. I think I hold onto scumreads tighter than you do. I can understand your point, but I didn't really share them so it doesn't get my dick harder for him. | ||
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On August 16 2017 17:50 Holyflare wrote: My motivation for this game is right around 0. I'm just gonna vest up and watch you die :p I'm not a mason this game to move me up the pecking order  | ||
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On August 16 2017 20:32 Conversion wrote: ok I'm awake and calm anything important besides geript telling me I'm scum on one post and not bothering to build a case on me on my other shit posts? also, if you real tonally that I think I'm a good mafia player get that out of your head pls. I never think I'm playing well, nor did I ever think it in the recent two games I played On August 15 2017 21:51 Conversion wrote: but my reasons that he seems like scum may just as well make him town so I'll scrutinize him further when I have more time HF I just refuse to trust anyone even close to 70% as that leads to shit arguments trying to pin others as scum (CCCP) b/c I want to believe my reads are correct You've recognized that HF and Rayn are "names" so to speak. But I want to put them in perspective. HF is a top 5 mafia player of all time on this site. Top 5 best scum player, top 5 best Town player, top 5 best player period. The only player I can think of off the top of my head who was as good all around is WhereBugsgo. I'm not sure I even put Palmer top 5 anymore; though I think Marv is still top 5 scum. I hate saying this because I'm going to hear this non-stop in every game I'm in with him from now on. Rayn is very good, but he's not HF. You wanting to believe your reads are better than his is just that. I'm not sure if there is a player who has martyred more on this site than I have; a fact I am rather ashamed of. I'm an impromptu expert of sorts. I've coached a fair share of newbie games; played in more. I have a pretty strong feel for newbies in general; likely a better feel for newbies than I have for most vets. I'm better with properly using meta than most vets, because I've work with (and failed with) it more. So you being a super passive player that turns into a younger version of me when pressed and martyrs in a way (not just specific wording but a series of posts) that is incongruent with anything I've seen before is to note. I'm not even sure how exactly to make detailed WoT case like that. | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:10 Holyflare wrote: To be clear I've only read conversion's filter this game Me too, I was saving to meta him later to get a better idea. For right now, the fact that he's here and seeming to try to do something when the thread is dead is a point in his favor. | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:17 Conversion wrote: can you clarify this part? not sure if I'm understanding the correct meaning Like in the quoted post, you want to follow your own reads more than anyone else and especially HF's. It's hard to take it any other way than you think your reads are better. It's also in how you talk to HF as if you're right about the best way to play. Yet outside those situations, it's like a completely different animal. | ||
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On August 16 2017 20:44 Conversion wrote: in terms of hopeless on why he's trying too hard, his first list is what really tipped me off like, what does this list do? he basically took the entire pool of players that aren't up for top3 and made a list that doesn't say anything aside from "yeah maybe town or maybe scum" that reeks of trying to look like someone's putting in effort while not. especially when his next followup wasn't pushing scum, but rather saying get rid of the lurkers. in my head, the best possible action as town isn't to just say "lynch afkers," it's to find who the scummiest is on your list and pressure them to slip or keep posting until they look scummy FF calls him out on that exact point, and his response wasn't great like his entire filter is sort of just like weak pressure, then back off. disagrees with a bunch of people, but doesn't make any actions to move ahead with what he thinks at all. the strongest he's pushed back on someone is probably rayn or FF, and even then it's not really a line of "are you scum" questioning shruug The sad and funny thing here is filter size isn't actually a terrible metric for who is or isn't scum. Generally speaking, people care way more as Town and thus post more as Town and thus have longer filters as Town. I'd be surprised if people just defaulted to lynch the shortest filter more wouldn't lead to more Town wins. Your point about weak pressure, back off, etc. isn't bad. It's something HF and I have both brought up. But you're wrong about his response to FF (and BTW a similiar response he has to HF when he questions him about his Jealous power up vote). It's a lot harder for most people to make that post of "OK what are you going to do about it" or "Yah.. and...". It's harder because most people as scum are bad actors, they want to qualify and justify everything. It's like when the Joker in The Dark Knight has gives the gun to Two-face and puts his forehead to the muzzle. It's really fucking ballsy to do as scum, but as Town because you know you have nothing to hide is much simpler. | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:40 Holyflare wrote: Conversion did you have a reason to not vote me? I don't remember. I'm pretty sure it was "he thought you were scum and wanted to consolidate on not-HF and also was happy with you not getting the power up as town so you'd die and it'd clear up his reads" | ||
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On August 16 2017 21:51 Holyflare wrote: I mean I have a great reason for every single one and their positions. I bet everyone was talking about what great reasons they were. Overall, Hopeless way too low. Damdred a bit too high, Ritoky a little too low. FF too high. I think I've covered why I think Hopeless is Town well; I think you're letting go of a good read in favor of a recent read (ala Ruxxar last game). Ritoky I could be wrong on, but I distinctly remember thinking both he and Hopeless were Town after their spat of activity around the 24 hour mark; I like my read on Hopeless (and it comes mostly from that section). I haven't reread ritoky but I'd bet I'd end up rmem | ||
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On August 15 2017 13:29 Fecalfeast wrote: @hopeless i think.holyflare is the most town of the three up for a power. I'm not a big fan of jealous. copcake is cool but I still think hf is the most town. I like damdred and geript as town. Ritoky also maybe town but his emo post could be that he's sad he rolled scum in a game he didn't even want ro play in. Conversion is looking scummy I hypocritically don't like how he hopped on hopeless for rejecting his question. Hopeless' recent posting takes him off my.scumlist I'm shooting from the hip here after only reading the game in short bursts at work and ignoring it while I've been home. Give me a filter to read This | ||
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On August 16 2017 02:49 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm in tumbleweeds filter and i don't think he's mafia. Not enough to call him solid town but u know I think rayns martyring is scummy outside anything else that's been said about him. I still think HF is town. I dislike jealous' all paint style but I guess he's towny enough. Has copcake done anything since being nominated? I can't remember anything of substance I will look at her filter. I think I remember agreeing with damdred that conversion has made himself look more towny. After a cursory look at his filter i am satisfied I need scumreads someone tell me a filter to dive This. | ||
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On August 16 2017 22:13 Holyflare wrote: Oh actualllllly was ff the one who said jealous should stop posting in pictures and use words after he already had? By 2 minutes. I don't think that's a relevant criticism. The more relevant criticism is not taking Jealous Damdred and Rayn posts seriously. Though I totally get bitching about the more symbolic posts. | ||
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On August 16 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote: Actually read that bit in ff filter and I like his explanation. I don't know why the judges have put both ff and hopeless in a thing together. They aren't likely mafia together at all. I'd still much rather have had a group of Onegu/Rel/Rayn. I think that's realistic for the point in time, might spur Rels to play if he's town, and at least lets Town get rid of inactives. If they want FF, then replace him for any of the three. It's like Copcake and jealous being in top 3. | ||
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On August 16 2017 22:20 Holyflare wrote: I actually hated how ott hopeless was trying to push that point now that I remember. That's why he's down. I read that more as trolling. But I usually ignore dumb arguments like that in hopes they just go away. | ||
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On August 16 2017 22:30 Holyflare wrote: Especially when inactives don't get modkilled.... Qft | ||
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On August 17 2017 08:17 Damdred wrote: I think the biggest thing about rels is, he has read the game somewhat (knows I'm being a bit lackluster) has time to snipe about it but doesn't help the game or drive it forward. And if he hasn't why is he scum reading me for tho ng s that might be or not be true? This is the first read of yours that I kinda like. | ||
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On August 17 2017 05:56 Damdred wrote: I am unsure that this vote actually means anything for mafia scum. I'm not sure I agree with this. | ||
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On August 16 2017 05:45 Tumblewood wrote: so hf, who is mafia / is there mafia between 1der and ff? i think your opinion is important given that you're somewhat forcing us to lynch between them. TW finds HF to be 60% scum and to be forcing a lynch between Hopeless and FF, agrees that Rayn is likely town OGI, etc. If he thinks HF is scum, why is he even accepting a false dichotomy lynch? What about this: On August 15 2017 07:51 Tumblewood wrote: i think 1der is town for his response to this On August 16 2017 01:35 Tumblewood wrote: thanks euros for the 20 pages while i was sleeping i read half of them and i think cake is the clearest town. i'm also moving 1der into weak town. i appreciate rayn but i'm waffling on him hard. not necessarily defending himself in a townie or scummy way, just very actively. damdred seems like town, but that said i don't know if i've ever played with scum!damdred. Hopeless gets a major downgrade, FF gets an upgrade, and none of this gets talked about. There's not any paranoia about 60% super scummer HF pushing a lynch off scum buddy Rayn (see this analog by his "lock town" buddy). I can go on. There's this gem: On August 16 2017 05:15 Tumblewood wrote: i think cake is the lockedest locked town and here is why: + Show Spoiler [some examples] + On August 16 2017 04:21 CopCake wrote: Dude wtf, what is your problem? I said several people and said who: ritoki, tumblewood in the begining, you when rayn came back etc Honestly wtf you are putting fucking words on my mouth. this indignation doesn't read as anything but town On August 16 2017 00:03 CopCake wrote: You are putting words in my mouth, I never knew rayn did that (pushing HF and both were mafia together) On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote: Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS. in 2 words: righteous indignation. i think it is one of the towniest responses to have to an accusation / pointed question and cake's filter has it in spades. i think u should vote her because, among lowish-risk votes, cake is the lowest risk. jealous is fakeable because a lot of his interaction is indirect because of the paint thing. i still think he is town but it is harder to be certain with jealous. hf is also tricky to read and could definitely fake this for 1 day. i don't think cake's filter is fakeable. especially look at this: this would be the strangest thing to think of and write as scum. just no way sheep or u are mafia trying to destroy town Where he's making the case for Cop being town for who she is regardless of alignment; it's akin to saying Rayn is town for being aggressive. There's meta. There's how he's flaunting over his reads like they're rainbows and unicorns instead of just saying what he thinks. On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here There's all these fucking FF posts that he's read and liked more than Hopeless's stuff in a matter of 3 minutes. Like come on judges, throw us a bone. | ||
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On August 17 2017 10:39 Damdred wrote: Well first to the vote Thing. Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.). If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched. If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely) Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm. As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does. I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1. What I care about is this: On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this: On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff sorta town rayn conv geript jealous at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done. I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me. | ||
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On August 17 2017 10:43 Damdred wrote: I am wrong on hopeless+Tumblr btw I thought he voted for ff, so no still interesting and can be a team maybe sorta Hopeless + TW can be a team; it was brought up last game, but it's far harder to "vote wrong" as scum. It's especially so when you're already under pressure. I think TW + Cop makes way more sense personally, but without actually diving filters specifically looking for possible connections I don't particularly care. | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:03 Jealous wrote: I just had the thought that HF pretty much has to be town. Follow me here: HF gets the power role and claims he got the vig shot. If the judges didn't in fact give him the vig shot, would they not show this by not nominating him for the next PR cycle and then putting him in the scum bucket after that? It would be the clearest indication that HF is lying and deceiving everyone. The only fault with this logic that I can see is that HF could be drawing attention to himself for having the vig shot intentionally, so that judges can award it to someone else who would potentially be free from scrutiny I guess? That would be an interesting play as well; but one that could only be done from a town persective imo. Am I completely off base here? Yah, HF claiming Vig shot is basically NAI. It'd be like him claiming blue in this setup. It's something he's just going to do because he's him. He does stupid stuff as town so he doesn't have to actually do work (aka the redcheck on Rels last game or a redcheck on someone else as town but not cop a few games previous that got him lynched). | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:29 Damdred wrote: Well I they're scum together they have to be 100% be ok with bussing at that point. Or well have the vote coordination down to the second. Either are plausible it's probably better not to make super connective teams just yet. Also think it's much less likely that hopeless/rels/tw are the scum together. Like I just don't see a super bus going on that early when two If he town options are up. Like I really think the wayvrels went about eod is indicative of a scum mindset. TW or hopeless could be scum hi never together (for me at least). Then just need to figure out the last one for my poe. Why have your posts become riddled with misspellings etc since I've come back. I didn't remember the rampant misspellings making it harder to read what you wrote prior. | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:43 CopCake wrote: You are calling me scum with Tw? Ok, pls tell me, "how" we are linked together and tell me how our interactions made you have that idea. Tell me how I am fucking scum and tell me how is TW scum. You're far from a terrible lynch. IDK if you're scum with TW; I think you can just be fucking terrible. Your filter is a hot fucking mess. You react to any time you and TW get brought up, you make it look like at various points you think he's scum or could be but end up with a lame townread on him. That's only from your filter. It doesn't even go into his need to explain the Copcake supertown read on you in full based on super shitty shit. | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:56 CopCake wrote: this is only the second time it came as a topic and the only time it was brought up I said "It was terrible" but didnt make a huge deal with it. On August 15 2017 05:50 CopCake wrote: I think is time to stop to play dumb and actually give reads (tho many might consider them dumb) but I wanna be alive because I like to draw. 1.- Tumblewood bothered me a lot. Not just for the whole "your reason for rayn is nai etc etc etc" but because he posted a fucking elaborated pic. Elaborated. Shadows, ears, etc, etc. Everyone else is doing 2D and quick drawings but he took the time to drew that. The first thing that came to my mind is that he wanted to be part of the top 3 to win a power and have their other two scummates help to win that. I mean scum would have that support and they would probably send their best drawer to do that. On August 17 2017 06:55 CopCake wrote: 5. Tumblewood: He got balls to deffend me, is strange I mean who mafioso would lose the opportunity to misslynch? I saw him firt as mafia but it changed. I put him on town pile. Like, you want to show off how much you two can "never be together" and how you've "come to blows;" blah blah blah. It's like watching two young gay guys in the south secretly be in love with each other but you have to keep up the "straight" appearances. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:02 CopCake wrote: FF had so little pages, I checked them when he got nominated, everything looking straight forward and progression was lineal, the whole "I am at work" is believable because I was also working at that time and we both had american time zones. Is something not so hard to understand. How does Fecalfeast having "so little pages" have anything to do with this. Look at the quotes. Here... I'll link them: TW not remembering FF's posts but thinking he was town TW finishing both FF's and Hopeless' filters TW posting a shitty reads post that includes secret hearthrob Copcake at the top that he made a huge amazing shitty townread on unlike anything else he's posted in the game but is obviously in no way whatsoever is connected to [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=71#1413]The mods telling use to shut our traps for end of day[/url It's not at all at the start of day; in fact it's right at the end of it. He magically forgets his reasons for FF but in 3 minutes can read 12 pages of filter and call hopeless scum. You're even fucking defending this shit and you're "so obviously not connected to him." | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:11 CopCake wrote: Oh yeah I also over reacted with cakexrayn being scum together by conversion, OBVIOUSLY I only overreact to TW because we are super mafia buddies. Or maybe you overreact to Cake-Rayn because you feel bad for him because you know he has a shitty day at work and he's town and you want to give him a sporting chance. Here's a hint. This isn't about you Copcake. This is about flat out engaging the blatant discussion that TW is obvious fucking scum and trying to ignore it and shift it to something that's going to look like a shitty fight which people will ignore. But yes, please go on about how despite the obvious scum in front of us that he's really town. Please dear god continue. | ||
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Then go be town. Go make sense. I've literally proved why TW is scum. Go find who he's with. Go prove it. It's not like you're some terrible newbie. You know how to find scum right? | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:19 CopCake wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=70#1393 From this post i can tell you he believes both are town but that Hopeless is more likely mafia than FF, i mean it also took ME a moment to see FF more townie than Hopeless. He got 3 minutes to decide between FF and Hopeless, ofc he would pick FF because he remembered he was a town read of his and FF's filters is shorter, I need to see if the "I like this post" of Hopeless was between the last 3 minutes because that would mean he only read FF's filter. Bull shit read the fucking posts. On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here This is clearly and obviously him representing that he's read both filters. Hell just opening reading FF's filter which was like 3 pages would take 3 minutes. You can't tell me he's not flat out lying about what he's doing and done. You can't flat out say that he thinks both are town when he fucking says 2/3rds of mafia are in a group of Hopeless +4. That's why he needs to be lynched. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:23 Hopeless1der wrote: When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards. I'm not sure on Damdred. He definitely can be scum, but he also can be town. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:23 Hopeless1der wrote: When TW flips mafia I want copcake and damdred up for lynch right afterwards. To explain more, Damdred's think on Rels is pretty fucking good. On August 17 2017 08:17 Damdred wrote: I think the biggest thing about rels is, he has read the game somewhat (knows I'm being a bit lackluster) has time to snipe about it but doesn't help the game or drive it forward. And if he hasn't why is he scum reading me for tho ng s that might be or not be true? On August 17 2017 10:39 Damdred wrote: Well first to the vote Thing. Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.). If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched. If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely) Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm. As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does. This stuff. More importantly, it's a lot closer to how Damdred thinks about the game as town. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:27 Hopeless1der wrote: p.s. give my my gun please so I can shoot TW. Or give it to geript. Or HF. Or anyone. Literally anyone. If necessary, I can start a poll of "Will you shoot TW if the judges give you a gun?" geript you on board with shooting TW? No, I don't think we get a gun before we get the next lynch. Plus, shot doesn't go off until end of phase. So if HF doesn't already have a gun and shoots him tonight, I don't think it would kill him prior to the next lynch. It'd be nice to be able to shoot him before the next lynch but I don't think it's possible. Like if HF has a gun and shoots him tonight it's cool. Make sense? | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:08 geript wrote: Like you just gotta accept that HF is a liar regardless of his alignment. You have to read him on what he's trying to do; like what his goal this game is. Who he pushes is kinda relevant, but it's also what he lets go of. QFT. Literally just ignore HF claiming a gun because it's totally irrelevant. Go do something useful. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:37 CopCake wrote: I don't understand your logic tbh, it is like you read FF's filter in like two minutes, you remember that he was your town read so you don't bother and read the recent posts of Hopeless and come to the conclusion that FF is more townie than hopeless. Like, I don't know if i am dumb or something but that is how I am reading those posts, I mean I even say "Im gonna read "x" persons filter and quick glance because most have quotes and quotes and quotes and ir hard to follow. The post he quoted from hopeless is this one. It's on the third page of Hopeless filter. So at least, we're talking about him reading 6 pages of filter in 3 minutes. Even just skimming, that's super fast. But he has like all the FF posts as super town. Just reading/skimming I'm super fast. I finished most GoT books in about 4-6 hours. I can enjoy a thread super quick. But just opening two filters and hitting all is a good 30 seconds gone. There's not time for him to have done what he's said he's done. Even if FF's filter took 2 minutes, TW doesn't even have time to reach that quote in Hopeless filter. He's just pulling out a random quote (one which I've pointed out at least twice BTW) and calling it towny. | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:40 CopCake wrote: Oh yeah I know how I can clear myself, well rayn can and MAYBE damdred because he claimed I am a good mafia player and a good scum last game. I NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER put suspicious on my team mates. NEVER EVER. I'd rather lynch myself than give up my team. Only exception was with moosydoosy whatever his name was because he gave us (glowing bear and me) to the town so he would look "townie" That game fucking pissed me. You fucking called him town. You fucking "cleared him" I'm done. Lynch TW, lynch Rels, lynch Cop. GG | ||
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On August 17 2017 12:50 Jealous wrote: Did you just quote yourself and QFT? Lol. There's a first for everything xD Not a dig on you or anything, just thought it was humorous. I don't see how it is irrelevant. Can you explain how that could be the case? Pretend for a second that HF is town. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. Pretend for a second that HF is scum. I guarantee you that in 100% of cases in that situation he will claim receiving a gun. I assure you that while HF may have a gun, his claiming a gun has absolutely 0 impact on his alignment. He will claim a gun whether or not he receives said gun. He will claim it (especially after winning the election). That's just him. He has a mad compunction to claim a role (any role though usually cop) on D1. Any number of us can confirm this. Everyone has their own little idiosyncracies and that's his. | ||
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On August 17 2017 13:10 Jealous wrote: I see but... wouldn't that be dumb of scum!HF? Or are you saying that because he does this so consistently, that we should just ignore it? In which case, why would anyone set such a precedent - just to have a better scum game in future games? That's deep. Yes, he does it so consistently it should just be ignored. Can we move on? Like readin filters and talkin about things that matter. | ||
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On August 17 2017 13:53 Jealous wrote: Conclusion: I do agree with a lot of geript's analysis; I will have to revisit my H1 read to see how much I can agree with the universe that is being created as a result, if I understood it correctly. Perhaps geript can clarify for me if my analysis of her argument is correct. I did have a strong H1 town read, but that was quite some time ago; however, I don't recall seeing anything scummy from H1 recently. In short: Potentially plausible, need more feedback to be sure and need to do more research in the morning to confirm. I'm going to ignore the peripheral arguments and go straight to the meat. I think the argument is pretty straight forward and obvious, but since you may be town... Let me ask you this question. Let's presume that TW is town. Why would he lie about how much he's read? Like there are things you sometimes lie about as town, but for the most part as town you don't lie about anything. Town generally doesn't lie because it doesn't serve any useful purpose. More importantly, town doesn't lie about how much they have or haven't read; that actually hurts town's ability to scum hunt. The thing is if TW was town, he wouldn't lie about having read all of both filters. He wouldn't try to misrepresent how much he has done. So him lying about that itself is alignment indicative. Like there are number of other spin off arguments that can support it, but they're all icing. | ||
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On August 17 2017 15:32 Holyflare wrote: Jesus christ why did leave this guy alive? Is this like bizarro world? Like my case on TW is rock solid. Fuck it. Lynch them both. I don't care. | ||
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On August 17 2017 15:49 Holyflare wrote: Also jealous come on, another 50/50 post? Yah it was eh. Idc atm. Cop's response was pretty meh too. Push my TW case through. Shoot Rayn. After that idk. Probably Rels. Maybe Ever. I kinda think Damdred is Town. I think Hopeless is Town just super unhelpful. As a matter of fact, don't lynch Hopeless. | ||
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As a reminder, shoot inactive fucks like Rels/Ritoky/Ever if they continue to be that way. | ||
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On August 17 2017 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. Tumblewood has no reason to lie there because as mafia, he can just choose not to. The only reason for him to lie, is if he makes up shit to put his vote on town instead of his scumbuddy. We all know this is not the case since ff flipped town. Do you seriously think Tumble says hes gonna read filters, doeant read them, and puts down a vote with quoting some random post as mafia? When the alternative is he can just what he did after, that he thinks there is no right answer, and just place a vote. Do you think he doeant see or think he will get caught on what he did if he is mafia and the narrative others have given for his action? Seriously, has everyone lost the ability to think lately? This is like the stupid case on skynx last game.. You're so absolutely fucking right. Mafia never spends time to talk about how they're trying to evaluate their vote. Never in a million years have mafia lied about reading the thread or what they've read of it just to sound active. Never does scum bring out an "oh this is kinda townie" while then putting the guy in the scummy group. Night HF | ||
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On August 18 2017 00:26 Damdred wrote: Like really this whole thing is idiotic and it would be better served looking elsewhere. Like where ever since went. If jealous could be scum. If ritoky could be scum (it's possible) Hey. Explain your ritoky read pls. <3 | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:36 sicklucker wrote: paint me a picture And the hat comes off | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote: i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while. Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable | ||
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I think that SL is Conversion or Jealous. Probably the latter. | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:44 Tumblewood wrote: he has made quite a bit of very good analysis. I agree. I had a bunch of very good analysis during D1 and N1. We should probably lynch the person I'm pushing. | ||
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On August 17 2017 11:00 geript wrote: I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1. What I care about is this: How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this: So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done. I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me. Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big. | ||
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On August 18 2017 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him. No. That's bullshit. Look at this: On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list town 1der cake rit rayn conv don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels On August 18 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works. Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit. Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug. | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:01 Damdred wrote: Why you ignore me geript? Sorry, I saw your post on ritoky and liked it. | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:07 Tumblewood wrote:
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats. TW: "Here's my updated reads" Also TW: "I haven't finished catching up" TW: "Puts X person in a list that contains all scum" Also TW: "X person is not scummy" The yo-yo is real | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:25 Tumblewood wrote: have you ever heard of process of elimination? it seems you have not, so let me break it down for you: step 1: read the game thread and, when i feel like it, people's filters. post also. step 2: when someone looks very townie, especially if they have looked that way for an extended period of time, eliminate them from the lynch pool. step 3: as the game goes on, you may spot more very townie players, and eventually you will have a lynch pool where you can be reasonably confident in the success of a lynch from it, despite not having reasons that those players are mafia. First, when I do a PoE and separate the groups into "town" and "contains the whole scum team," by definition you are calling the people in the second group scum. Sure there's probably 1-2 townies in that group, but again you're saying those people are likely scum. Here's the important question: If you're town and haven't even caught up yet STILL, why are you even doing PoE reads or giving "updated reads" to begin with? | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list town 1der cake rit rayn conv don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels Since when does town think it is important to give an updated list of reads when he's 20+ pages behind on the thread? Since when does a townie find it more important to post about where he stands 20+ pages ago, than to actually read the fucking thread to figure out what if anything has changed in his read? /end of thread | ||
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On August 18 2017 04:34 Tumblewood wrote: because i am caught-up enough to eliminate my townreads from the lynch pool, and i don't have to be caught up to say "i do not at this time have a strong reason to townread this person." My case on TW is HERE TW's return to the thread is HERE It is a minimum of 14 pages of things that happened that TW is saying is totally irrelevant to reads. Who the fuck does that as town? | ||
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So when you're town, you try and post reads that are 14+ pages old? What point does that ever serve as town? At what point have you ever seen that happen and not also be qualified with "Haven't caught up yet but here's where I was at as of last night" (or similar)? You don't try to sell them as I'm rip, rearing and ready to go and it's totally good. | ||
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On August 18 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote: i don't see it as an exclusively mafia thing i see it as you trying to bury a guy who is in a hole with a stupid thing he did that isn't alignment indicative. Yes I'm trying to bury TW. I strongly disagree that it's not alignment indicative. Maybe it's just is just my view on how the game should be played from town. But I don't think it's hard to say that giving updated reads when you are up to day isn't helpful at all. | ||
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On August 18 2017 05:10 ritoky wrote: i mean i haven't really read 30+ pages of thread, so i am in a similar boat. but i guess i am not peddling my wares like they are legitimate. Like that's the major difference. | ||
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I really thought you were going to take the cop check. I also did not get a gun Also, I'm not dead? I need to go get food, and I'll look around then. Didn't really like Rels comeback but I don't hate the NK analysis. I think it's mostly WIFOM though. | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote: I thought they'd think I'd do that and shoot me so I took the vest for the bait. I thought you'd take medic because you love me so much... </3 | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:55 Tumblewood wrote: actually, now that i think about it, win-win if we give you a cop check. you use it and either you die (eliminating a 50/50), you check me and say it (confirming me town), or you check me and lie (confirming you mafia). and i will not accept "but we don't need to check you because we already know you're scum" How is HF a 50/50? | ||
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On August 18 2017 06:57 Tumblewood wrote: how do you not like rels' comeback if his comeback was only him commenting on hf not taking the check (which you agree with) and his NK analysis (which you don't hate)? Because Rels can actually be a good player. Posting about something that doesn't matter (HF taking or not taking the vest) and WIFOM NK analysis (which I admittedly don't hate), is well below what i expect from a player who has done nothing all game and is fully capable of doing things. I will point out that Damdred had a very good read that Rels was scum. Rels popping up to post after a weird kill to point the kill towards someone else based on wifom instead of doing something that's actually good is bad. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:01 Holyflare wrote: Damdred has been pretty vocal against ever and ritoky i guess? IIRC less so about Ever. Also pretty vocal about Rels. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Rels/tw/ritoky trifecta lynch? Maybe. I need to sit down and read ritoky's filter again. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Holyflare the mafia that got elected that knows there's no blues in the game kills semi scum read by all damdred. Best plan. A+ 10/10 | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:10 CopCake wrote: Like I can see a busy onegu agreeing to play, rolled mafia and is like sufbejdbjxsjhsvfhfuejebrjcbddbcujfhsh thank you rayn for a themed game and leaves. Onegu doesn't get busy, he unfortunately gets sick. He has health issues. His family has health issues. If he left the game, then that's the reason. That's a bad reason to lynch that slot. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:09 CopCake wrote: 🤔 just so everyone remembers, Ever exists and his not existance in the game is extremely scum. I'm all for an ever nomination, but let's be realistic. Ever existing in the game is not a reason to call him scum. That is however a reason to call Rels scum. | ||
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On August 18 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote: Honestly I'm half expecting someone to claim they vig shot damdred and mafia hit my vest. That's how weird a kill it is. Who vigi-shoots Damdred over TW, Rels, Ever? I can't imagine the judges giving the gun to someone other than you, me, Cop, Jaelous. | ||
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Hell no. There's only been 4 people up for the power-up. I doubt the judges give it to someone they don't nominate. | ||
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There's a few things I dislike in it. I don't agree with Damdred's read tho. He's probably Town. | ||
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On August 18 2017 08:06 CopCake wrote: Fuck meant to say Geript in the if I am so mafia. I got your point and HF and geript destroyed my theory saying Onegu is always sick, dont worry. Because odds of you being terrible are not non-0. Like, you can be Town. Idk, maybe Koshi has a hardon for you. Maybe they have a god read and my read on you is bad. You're at best the 4th or 5th person I want to lynch in this game and I don't think you have any shot of winning the prize. I'd rather be reading Ever. | ||
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On August 18 2017 08:23 CopCake wrote: Null, like I am not pushing you for the onegu gets sick, but you are willing to participate so if it makes you happy lets say 50% is null, 100% is super town and 0% is supee mafia you are at 57% I actually don't hate this read. Maybe slightly more Town. I like the fact that he/she has stood up against both Damdred and Cop; feels a touch spunky. Not a huge fan on Ever's reads. | ||
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I kinda like Ever. I kinda like Conversion; his little shit fight with Jealous, even some of the stuff prior seems ok. Idk, he just feels more confident. I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but idk what that is. | ||
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Maybe, I kinda think he's Town. Idk, maybe I'm wrong on Hopeless. Maybe it's Jealous. Idk, maybe I'm wrong and it's just the inactives again. I think part of the problem is that unless Hopeless is scum, the first lynch is pretty irrelevant and doesn't really help us solve the game. @Judges. I think it's important that you give out the gun today so it can be shot tonight. | ||
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On August 18 2017 10:24 CopCake wrote: Why is everyone suddenly so afk? Idk. But like this is a reason why Rels isn't Town. When he's Town he's a little shitter that doesn't really play until after the first lynch. When he's scum he uses that to do the same thing. I really don't know. I guess people are assuming we're just going to lynch TW and go on our way but there's like 0% chance the scum team is TW and no one else. | ||
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On August 18 2017 10:44 Conversion wrote: I just got home and I'm tired someone tell me if anything interesting happened did Jealous reply? You referring to the latched on thing? | ||
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In retrospect that argument is pretty weird. Live in the world where judges got to say (X > Y > Z in order of towniness/scumminess). Like why would scum ever propose something something that fucking terrible and obviously unnecessary? It's like claiming to be scum. I'll look at him again and maybe try to understand some of the pictures. | ||
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On August 18 2017 14:06 CopCake wrote: To me the last interaction of Jealous x Hopeless look like MvM and Jealous trying to distance because his scummate fucked up HARD. Do me a favor. Pick your 5 best arguments for Jealous being scum. Order them 1-5. List them in that order and provide your proof with them. When I'm done reading his in context of the thread, I will get back to you. There's no way in hell, I or anyone else are reading 37 points about a guy where most of those are broken up with big pictures and half the points are non-sense. Choose which 5 of your children you love the most and bring them back. | ||
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On August 18 2017 14:25 CopCake wrote: Honestly you should read them all, it is not posted in a difficult format and most of the points is me pointing out he only talked to Hopeless in his filter, literally. But to make it easier the best one is this: Jealous says he needs to read FF/H1 filter, his next post is saying he had Hopeless and Geript as town. Add the salt that He called Geript Mafia in the beginning and a few pages back he asked HF to filter FF/H1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=103#2052 First, it's terrible formatting because it's hard for the eye to follow what you're saying and what you're linking things too. This post open the spoiler; it's near the bottom. It's the same post that you read and liked for picking up that you're foreign. Part of the problem I have in reading Jealous is that his pictures don't make much sense to me. I can understand some of them in context, but 825 ruins some of that. It's kinda funny after looking at and reading Jealous a few times, I think my initial read on him being like Chezinu is 100% correct. From looking at his various other posts on BW, dude seems pretty smart (like Chez). And while he in part starts posting in text because of class, he seems to keep it up a bit to make sure that he gets his point across. Chez would do that as town but not as scum, he'd try to string people along and get them to play his game. His reasoning for voting HF at 48 hours is good too; like the action itself is kinda free because someone 1 switch from HF to Cop in order to change the powerup. But like unless Jealous and HF are scum together, it's hard to imagine that action coming from scum. Like it's subtle, but I don't think it's worthless. There's little things: On August 18 2017 01:18 Jealous wrote: What a shit show. I expected more from you H1. Rayn, not so much, but still. Like this. Where he thinks Hopeless can and should do better with the obvious implication it's because he has a hard townread on Hopeless and the fight is dumb/worthless/super shitfight. I think there's far more reason to think Jealous is town. I think I might have met Jealous at one of the DC get togethers maybe? IDK, irrelevant. But mostly, your point i | ||
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On August 18 2017 15:12 CopCake wrote: You dont get it. In any of his filter he says H1 is town Then in one post he says he needs to filter H1 and FF and in same post he later says his town reads are H1 and you Geript. On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote: Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad. Do you understand what due diligence means? Like he called Hopeless town before this. He calls hopeless town after this. I don't see how anything of what you're saying makes Jealous scum. | ||
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On August 19 2017 04:28 Tumblewood wrote: i really like that the rhetoric of this game is "do what hf says or you're mafia" It's not that at all. Copcake is an incoherent mess. She at best has super selective memory when it comes to the thread. She at best has exceptionally poor logic at the best of times. She can literally push anything. Yesterday, I think they chose 3 off of HF + dumbtells (which aren't). Today, idk. I've been over her filter and I don't see how she's obvious Town. Her "case" on Jealous/Hopeless is a hot fucking mess and prime example of her play all game. I don't care because she's not even top 3 in people I want to kill; that's the sad state this game is in. That a completely incoherent mess doesn't even rank to fit into the prime lynch pool. | ||
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On August 19 2017 04:47 Holyflare wrote: At this point rels is confirmed mafia so we've got that got going for us A lynch between him and TW would be tough. Lynch one, shoot the other. | ||
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On August 19 2017 05:36 Holyflare wrote: Can we vote all 3? Pretty sure Jealous is Town. Ritoky less so. | ||
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On August 17 2017 08:17 Damdred wrote: I think the biggest thing about rels is, he has read the game somewhat (knows I'm being a bit lackluster) has time to snipe about it but doesn't help the game or drive it forward. And if he hasn't why is he scum reading me for tho ng s that might be or not be true? I'm just going to put this right here. There's more to be said, but shouldn't be said now. | ||
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On August 18 2017 15:07 geript wrote: First, it's terrible formatting because it's hard for the eye to follow what you're saying and what you're linking things too. This post open the spoiler; it's near the bottom. It's the same post that you read and liked for picking up that you're foreign. Part of the problem I have in reading Jealous is that his pictures don't make much sense to me. I can understand some of them in context, but 825 ruins some of that. It's kinda funny after looking at and reading Jealous a few times, I think my initial read on him being like Chezinu is 100% correct. From looking at his various other posts on BW, dude seems pretty smart (like Chez). And while he in part starts posting in text because of class, he seems to keep it up a bit to make sure that he gets his point across. Chez would do that as town but not as scum, he'd try to string people along and get them to play his game. His reasoning for voting HF at 48 hours is good too; like the action itself is kinda free because someone 1 switch from HF to Cop in order to change the powerup. But like unless Jealous and HF are scum together, it's hard to imagine that action coming from scum. Like it's subtle, but I don't think it's worthless. There's little things: Like this. Where he thinks Hopeless can and should do better with the obvious implication it's because he has a hard townread on Hopeless and the fight is dumb/worthless/super shitfight. I think there's far more reason to think Jealous is town. I think I might have met Jealous at one of the DC get togethers maybe? IDK, irrelevant. But mostly, your point i @Conversion | ||
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On August 19 2017 06:21 Conversion wrote: I'd still have to disagree with you, though but we can agree to disagree. His latest posts do not sound town-oriented at all, and his continuous dismissal of basic questions (such as the one I asked you) just feels wrong. Like, you're making this really big case that's not saying much. Why not just answer the question I posed in the first place? He clearly has time to write a well thought out post (albeit flawed in the conclusion he makes, in my opinion), but he could have quoted his thoughts on FF, Hopeless, and why he parked his vote on rayn but he did this weird I'm just gonna case you as scum now because you're prodding at me. That doesn't feel town. Town shouldn't get defensive over being prodded, they should just be answering or saying "it's in my filter" if you're that busy (which, again, he had time to write a long, constructed post on why I'm scum) The question was why was he not doing anything he promised, and his thread entrance and subsequent posting afterwards showed his "I'm busy" excuse is kind of lame to be frank. He could have spent 1/8 of that time answering my questions, then doing what he promised (casing H1, since FF is gone). Instead he gets defensive and deflects to me being scum while trying to seem logical. I don't think I'm busy is a lame excuse. I've found that far more often than not people are honest about their schedule/time constraints. The other reasons you have are meh. | ||
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On August 19 2017 06:39 Conversion wrote: I think I'm busy is a lame excuse when the hardest thing I asked him was "why did you park your vote on rayn" again, can agree to disagree Sure, but unless you think Hopeless is scum, where Jealous (or anyone really) put their votes on D1 is irrelevant. Like the only reason I've responded to Copcake's shit is because I don't want her dumb shit to spread. Like, compare Jealous to ritoky even. Ritoky hasn't given a shit all game and has been quite explicit about that. Jealous has; more importantly, he's cared at points when it's easy as Town to afk (N1). Sure his contributions during N1 were pretty shitty, but I think the fact that as a brand new player (I assume but I'm pretty sure is true) he cares and is thinking at those points is a point in his favor imo. It's a weak point but not worth ignoring. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:20 Holyflare wrote: I legitimately 100% did. And the lie detector test determined, this was a lie. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:21 Holyflare wrote: I thought his copcake chance was too bull shit and I wanted to pick someone that wasn't likely framed like you/tw/jealous/rels/ever You're actually claiming a check on him? Like 100% no backsies? | ||
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So why didn't you post this before lynch targets were picked? | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:26 Holyflare wrote: Because we can't lynch more than one and if any of tw or rels were in there I'm always lynching them first. Rels is top confirmed mafia priority. Idk what to think of you right now. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:28 Holyflare wrote: Rels afks for 24 hours and posts 1 post at deadline and votes to not receive a tl ban every single cycle. His posts are also incoherent and not something I'd think he'd be thinking. This tactic shouldn't be allowed by hosts but it is apparently so he's abusing it. I agree with this, but I still think that this is more important to share because the judges are such a a fucking crap shoot. Like we got 1.5 good lynch noms D1. I think we only got 1 today. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:32 Holyflare wrote: I don't like any of ever's posts if I'm honest. He seems angry at absolutely nothing? Meh, I kinda think he's Town. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least one of Rels / Jealous is 100% mafia. I don't wanna say why yet before they talk this phase. Like I don't think Rels can be Town at all at this point. The fact that it's <12 hours to deadline and he hasn't even checked in to see who's up for lynch. Like usually by now any sort of pressure will put Town Rels into doing something. | ||
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Rayn/FF count for the 1.5 good nomsinations. TW not being in there was bad, I forget who else could've been good. The only good nomination today is Rels. Ever+TW would've been a much better. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:43 CopCake wrote: You all this game you have claimed to know me rayn and you have been doing quite the opposite, in fact you should know I "tone read" and I notice "Things people dont see" you know that is my game. You also should know "chaos" is my mafia game, to do strange things is my favorite thing and you know I love to be mafia even more than town so tell me besides my "I forgot I wanted to lynch ritoki" what else makes me mafia? It's funny you say this, because I'd classify that as pretty close to this game. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but we got 3 bad nominations because we are / were all town. That's it. This kinda twisted dumb shit is what makes me think you are not town geript, all the time. Like it is absurd you claim nominating 3 towns was better that nominating 1 mafia and 2 town. sure and nominating 3 scum would be even better, but come on here. The game mechanics make it kinda weird. So long as they put up people who should be up for lynch is the important thing. | ||
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On August 19 2017 18:58 CopCake wrote: Like after reading Ritoki's whole filter and noticed he is a doctor I understood his mood, lack of participation, ec, he is also constant with his reads. Pretty sure he's a nurse like me. Not 100% though. | ||
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On August 19 2017 19:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, all you explained is that you made a mistake. But in order for it to be a mistake as you explained it, you would have known what will happen before you did. Hunh? | ||
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On August 19 2017 19:07 Holyflare wrote: I'm stuck in a foreign nightmare where people keep explaining things and I just get more confused. Thank god. I'm half asleep watching SKT get their asses kicked and stopped trying to figure out wtf Rayn is saying. | ||
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On August 19 2017 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Meh, i am explaining myself wrong. It doesnt matter if she now says it was a mistake or not. It matters that she says this: She says she made a mistake, but the end point doesn't change at all.... Where is the mistake? Calling ritoky mafia in the first place? I think this should change her thinking completely since that was the only reason she called ritoky mafia for, but magically now when Damdred is dead and ritoky is cop checked by HF (believe or not), she can reach the "good conclusion", when earlier she was completely unwilling to talk about the whole fuckup. Can you try explaining this again? | ||
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On August 20 2017 07:13 ritoky wrote: i am kinda married to my geript angle shooting read cuz it has never been wrong, but skimming his filter and his attitude around the lynch is kinda....it's not good jim....not good....makes me doubt.... What are you talking about? | ||
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1. I have other things I want to do (SKT v KT match, FFL draft, sleep, jerk off) 2. The judge's selections this round were fucking terrible. You and Jealous had 0 reason to be in this group over TW 3. What else is there to say? I've said my piece about Rels. I've said my piece about TW. Idk who I'm wrong about of the rest, but it's not like I can lynch them and I like my townreads. 4. Fuck you. You've basically only started to care about the game and I've spent enough fucking time to read/post than I'm going to go enjoy doing other shit. | ||
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On August 20 2017 15:05 CopCake wrote: Read his filter, so clear, pure, lineal, there is no shade, no secretive, no mistakes, you know I had him as top mafia but reading his posts all in one line was... Wow. I also found out he is a nurse and a dad and explains his change of moods and afkings, also when we talked about the HF mafia scenario. I don't disagree with you that he's town; I disagree with your reasons (kinda). Considering HF claimed a green check on him, I just was curious as to how you incorporated (or didn't) those two. | ||
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But I don't really like HF including ritoky in his could kill Damdred list. Like I hate when HF claimed the check and I hate that it feels like HF has gotten in more shit fights this game. I hate it more that when I go through HF's filter I still understand where he's coming from and still like who he's pushing and why. Maybe I'm too deep in on it, but I still just think he's Town. | ||
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On August 20 2017 15:44 Jealous wrote: Has HF explained why he used his check on ritoky? Not saying he hasn't but I forgot if he did and it's a pain to check filters on mobile. Because he's an unlikely frame target. Which I agree with. But he was also to many a bit of a question mark. It's kinda funny, I kinda think HF is lying about the green check and that HF is doing it as Town. | ||
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On August 20 2017 03:28 Tumblewood wrote: i'm pretty sure at least 2/3 mafia are in hf, geript, es. third one could be jealous. maybe even rels. but i don't feel great about either of those anymore On August 20 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote: this is kinda backwards logic but maybe lynching rels is the better play here. either he is mafia, in which case i am totally fine with being wrong, or he is town and maybe the judges put hf and geript in the other pool. because they're gonna say if he flips town, "nope i would lynch him again. 100% had all the signs, basically claimed scum," but i think it is clear that the case they have is much weaker than they are giving it credit for. you can tell because they are basically trying to bully town into the lynch instead of letting the case speak for itself. then again i still think jealous has a better chance of flipping mafia. and i like lynching mafia. It's really odd to me that no one is talking about these fucked up statements by TW. HF and I have been pretty vocal on Rels being scum. TW basically has HF and I as scum. Like the normal reaction is that "Hey my scum reads are voting for the other guy." And yet, TW is basically arguing the merits of lynching Rels. On August 18 2017 05:49 Tumblewood wrote: and now the poe is down to four and a half. in order it would probably go: all townreads combined (40% scum) + Show Spoiler + because you can never be 100% sure rels (35%) + Show Spoiler + i really like that rels considered hf bluffing the vest, because i was thinking the same thing. (and if he were mafia and believed hf chose a check, why not kill him just in case.) still gonna need some actual posting though es (45%) + Show Spoiler + small filter, hard to make heads or tails of, but at least high-effort hf (50%) + Show Spoiler + hard to read. can push me into oblivion as either alignment. jealous (60%) + Show Spoiler + most of his reads are "things to like, things to dislike... could be town or scum" geript (70%) + Show Spoiler + i call this tell, "pushing lynchbait relentlessly despite thorough defense and debunking of most of his points" I assume this is least scum to most scum (though it's kinda interesting Rels is more townie than "the rest of Town"). Like he even seems to be posting a reason to townread Rels even though he's half ass calling him scum. I don't get why this guy hasn't been bottom 3 | ||
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On August 20 2017 17:12 Holyflare wrote: I do so we'll just agree to disagree. Every argument or thing he's pushed this game has been trash. I'm not disagreeing with you here other than the Copcake push. Just that that particular argument is bad. | ||
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On August 20 2017 17:24 Holyflare wrote: Cake's quoted posts on eversince make him definitely mafia btw. ? | ||
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I like how ritoky gets to "all 3 lynch candidates are town" on D2. I'm kinda biased because I already have a reasons to think Jealous is town (which are kinda shared). That leaves us with: 1. Raynpelikoneet 5. Tumblewood 9. Copcake 11. Conversion 13. Onegu replaced by Eversince | ||
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I think right now it's TW > Ever > Conversion > Cop. I'd probably read Cop town if I could ever understand how she gets where she gets. It's dumb, but I really want to believe that Conversion's early post on Hopeless (saying 2 posts when one was /in) is meaningful. | ||
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Though, that's another reason to find you Town; I was modconfirmed in that UoN sentinel game with Wave and got modkilled because of BS when you were scum. You refused to give me confirmed status. | ||
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On August 21 2017 03:18 Holyflare wrote: Tw tried to bs that mafia had a rb and question why I'm not dead when that's been posted as false forever now. He's not reading anything and must die. He found out about it and still called me mafia anyway. His jealous is mafia but maybe we lynch rels post was so bs. It might sound dumb, but I kinda don't want to post too much on TW. I kinda think the judges need to be pushed in the first part of the day and forgot/focused elsewhere for D2 noms. It just feels like a waste of time spent. | ||
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On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this: On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff sorta town rayn conv geript jealous at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done. [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:40 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:34 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:31 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:25 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:16 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 04:07 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 03:53 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 03:41 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 11:00 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 10:39 Damdred wrote: [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 09:08 geript wrote: If the next lynch isn't a group of Rels, Ever, TW or pretty close I may just flip a lid[/QUOTE] Well first to the vote Thing. Like if all three are town the switches do not make a real difference, maybe some of the awkward votes (tumble, rels etc.). If hopeless is scum I think they got pretty lucky dodging his lynch but the save of tw of him would be equally juicy. Like if this is the case it is a lot more interesting with how the vote swing really the last minute. But if hopeless is sick I think it becomes less likely that read is scum just because of him helping out hopeless near the top and fivi ng him the chance of being lynched. If Ryan is sick I think the game is stupid and things are worse than I thought. (Unlikely) Ritoky not voting is interesting, but I don't thinknthatbis alignment indicative atm. As for your pool I don't think ever should be in quite yet. But maybe soon depending on what she does.[/QUOTE] I don't care about the power vote thing because I'm probably dead. Sure, Ever can be replaced in that pool. But I'd be replacing Ever with Cop or you, but overall we have the least to work with between Rels/Ever and I want to be able to lynch into them and I want to keep pressure on them to play. I don't think the value of having you up for lynch right now is there. I don't think Cop will magically or mystically get better/make sense/be towny by being up for lynch. It's super egregious that she was even in the top 3 on D1. What I care about is this: [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote: i don't remember why i thought ff was town. but i think he is. so i'm gonna put my vote on 1der for now and speed read both their filters[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 05:08 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 15 2017 07:44 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On August 15 2017 07:43 Fecalfeast wrote: [QUOTE]On August 15 2017 07:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean that largely comes down to: have a larger filter than I do, because my filters are usually garbage tier.[/QUOTE] So you take a list of everyone in the game available to be lynched and call them town or scum based on filter size. Do you think that counts as being helpful? To me it looks a lot like you are forcing yourself to make a reads post which makes me read you scummy based just on your list and the explanation thereof [/QUOTE] well get me lynched then bro.[/QUOTE] i like this post. i like ff's posts more but i like this post. there is probably not a right answer here[/QUOTE] How in the fuck does TW go from, "Oh man, I think I remember FF was town but idk why so I'll vote for Hopeless" to "Man FF's posts are good and there's only this one Hopeless post I like" in the course of 3 fucking minutes. How on earth does a Town!TW read and analyze FF's admittedly shorter filter in 3 minutes while also reading Hopeless not at all short filter? It's literally the picture of not caring about who to lynch between Hopeless and FF. It's literally picking up one little thing as an excuse. Afterwards you get this: [QUOTE]On August 17 2017 05:16 Tumblewood wrote: town cake rit ff sorta town rayn conv geript jealous at least 2/3 mafia are in here 1der damdred hf es rels[/QUOTE] So clearly, he has some reason for why he dislikes Hopeless' posts. A reason which I will remind you that he did not have previously in his posting. It's not like there aren't reasons he can find to have both Hopeless and FF be town and paranoia lynch Rayn. It's not like he stands up to HF making the lynch between Hopeless and FF or goes super tin foil theory. It's not like he makes a (imo reasonable argument) to ignore OGI and just lynch Rayn because he's the scummiest for what he's done. I just want the judges to actually fucking read what I post and listen to me. [/QUOTE] Quoting this because it shouldn't be forgotten. HF's last post is important too. But this is big. [/QUOTE] Noone cares about Tumblewood at the time. He has been asked to clear the shit on him and it's up to him so no need to talk about him.[/QUOTE] No. That's bullshit. Look at this: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list town 1der cake rit rayn conv don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:42 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:28 Tumblewood wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:24 Conversion wrote: [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: updated list town 1der cake rit rayn conv don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure hf the mafia should all be in here jealous geript es damdred rels[/QUOTE] can you explain your cake and geript read? I'm curious.[/QUOTE] i think i already explained my cake read, but the short version is some of her reads are so illogical and her reactions to attacks are so righteous that i don't think she could fake it as mafia. i previously thought geript was kinda town for the angle shooting thing ritoky pointed out, but i haven't noticed geript at all since, so it would make sense that he could be the mafia i'm missing. i definitely need to read his filter again though, i haven't read it in quite a while.[/QUOTE] Lol. Clearly I am completely unnoticable[/QUOTE] i didn't say i had a good read on you. but if you don't establish yourself as very likely town you go to the PoE pool. that's pretty much how it works.[/QUOTE] Clearly he's "caught up." Yet he flat out ignores a huge ass case on him? He flat out tries to say I'm scummy yet has nothing to call me scum for? His townreads are shit. Of course it's important to bring back up because I'm not going to let him slide a rock solid case under the rug. [/QUOTE]
so basically you have misrepresented me in every single thing you said. congrats.[/QUOTE] TW: "Here's my updated reads" Also TW: "I haven't finished catching up" TW: "Puts X person in a list that contains all scum" Also TW: "X person is not scummy" The yo-yo is real[/QUOTE] have you ever heard of process of elimination? it seems you have not, so let me break it down for you: step 1: read the game thread and, when i feel like it, people's filters. post also. step 2: when someone looks very townie, especially if they have looked that way for an extended period of time, eliminate them from the lynch pool. step 3: as the game goes on, you may spot more very townie players, and eventually you will have a lynch pool where you can be reasonably confident in the success of a lynch from it, despite not having reasons that those players are mafia.[/QUOTE] First, when I do a PoE and separate the groups into "town" and "contains the whole scum team," by definition you are calling the people in the second group scum. Sure there's probably 1-2 townies in that group, but again you're saying those people are likely scum. Here's the important question: If you're town and haven't even caught up yet STILL, why are you even doing PoE reads or giving "updated reads" to begin with?[/QUOTE] because i am caught-up enough to eliminate my townreads from the lynch pool, and i don't have to be caught up to say "i do not at this time have a strong reason to townread this person."[/QUOTE] My case on TW is [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1445]HERE[/url] TW's return to the thread is [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=87#1723]HERE[/url] It is a minimum of 14 pages of things that happened that TW is saying is totally irrelevant to reads. Who the fuck does that as town? [QUOTE]On August 20 2017 03:28 Tumblewood wrote: i'm pretty sure at least 2/3 mafia are in hf, geript, es. third one could be jealous. maybe even rels. but i don't feel great about either of those anymore[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 20 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote: this is kinda backwards logic but maybe lynching rels is the better play here. either he is mafia, in which case i am totally fine with being wrong, or he is town and maybe the judges put hf and geript in the other pool. because they're gonna say if he flips town, "nope i would lynch him again. 100% had all the signs, basically claimed scum," but i think it is clear that the case they have is much weaker than they are giving it credit for. you can tell because they are basically trying to bully town into the lynch instead of letting the case speak for itself. then again i still think jealous has a better chance of flipping mafia. and i like lynching mafia.[/QUOTE] It's really odd to me that no one is talking about these fucked up statements by TW. HF and I have been pretty vocal on Rels being scum. TW basically has HF and I as scum. Like the normal reaction is that "Hey my scum reads are voting for the other guy." And yet, TW is basically arguing the merits of lynching Rels. [QUOTE]On August 18 2017 05:49 Tumblewood wrote: and now the poe is down to four and a half. in order it would probably go: all townreads combined (40% scum) + Show Spoiler + because you can never be 100% sure rels (35%) + Show Spoiler + i really like that rels considered hf bluffing the vest, because i was thinking the same thing. (and if he were mafia and believed hf chose a check, why not kill him just in case.) still gonna need some actual posting though es (45%) + Show Spoiler + small filter, hard to make heads or tails of, but at least high-effort hf (50%) + Show Spoiler + hard to read. can push me into oblivion as either alignment. jealous (60%) + Show Spoiler + most of his reads are "things to like, things to dislike... could be town or scum" geript (70%) + Show Spoiler + i call this tell, "pushing lynchbait relentlessly despite thorough defense and debunking of most of his points" [/QUOTE] I assume this is least scum to most scum (though it's kinda interesting Rels is more townie than "the rest of Town"). Like he even seems to be posting a reason to townread Rels even though he's half ass calling him scum. I don't get why this guy hasn't been bottom 3 | ||
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1. The 3 minute filter read. It's pretty bullshit that even skimming TW can go through most of a single filter let alone two. He had an earlier townread on Hopeless, puts hopeless in the likely scum group, yes only finds something (that's already been brought up) to find him as towny. 2. TW is giving "updated" reads without having actually read the thread and trying to sell it like he's caught up. So we're constantly in a state where he's both up to date and his reads are irrelevant (or mostly so). 3. TW has rels as basically town (or by far the least scummy), yet Jealous is only the best lynch "by a medium margin" and TW is "debating" reasons to vote Rels... Especially when Rels is being pushed by 2/3rds of his most likely to be scum and the last 1/3 is going to be voting for him. Like Fuck that.... | ||
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On August 21 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote: ##shoot raynpelikoneet with 10000 fiery balls of death I'm pretty sure that shot costs a lynch. | ||
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On August 18 2017 02:01 Eversince wrote: Rit can get moved into slight mafia bracket too. Missing the vote is not un-heard of but since the only vivid thing I can remember is way early in the game being mad about being a clock. If Ritz is trying to blend into the background and be ignored, doing especially well. On August 18 2017 07:49 Eversince wrote: But why would mafia Ritoky afk for like 50 hours, come back, no reads, not read anything, the only reason it's not some huge "I'm mafia pls lynch" is that it's completely honest and I can't imagine the mafia team that sits back and lets that happen? On August 19 2017 08:34 Eversince wrote: To verify so far though; I think this recent argument is TvT. I have reason to give you both lead. I have reason to doubt it. I think Jealous is more questionable than Conv for his response. I will specify though; I like Conv & Jealousy way more than I like Rels/Ritz for a long time. I admit openly that I need to re-read both filters (I say both because ecuses lack for Rels not to have one by now, and Rit doesn't have per 1/3 D1) I'll get to that tonight. Copcake noticed these. She seems to end up with Onegu/Ever/Disinfo/whoever as town (idk how). But this shit is equally weird. It's taking two completely opposite stances on the same person. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote: vest no bull shit that's why I wifomed that I was just going to cop check each night until they kill me to see if the mafia team is retarded I would've liked to have had a 100% on ritoky, but I'll take 99%. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote: and the n1 nk and last night kinda reflects an inexperienced mafia team I need to think about this. Not 100%, but I think that they're unlikely to have much experience with you. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:21 Holyflare wrote: cos you're not dead and I want my best buddy conversion on the case LOL. I think should be pretty obvious that I shoot you each night and every night. Fuck the mind games; I'm patient as scum and am willing to play for 80 weeks to win. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:23 disformation wrote: sup. this appears to not be obs qt. instructions unclear. dick got stuck in mixer. i was semi-ish following the game a bit. some specific filters i should look at asapish, or is it cool if i go over shit again tomorrow? dont have like real reads atm. was hoping to wait and see who'll turn out to be scum when the game ends. xD I'd like your read on Eversince. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:25 CopCake wrote: Yes. Look Ritoki, there is one thing I am good at in this game and is being scum. When people tell me "someone is cleared" the best I can do as town is to destroy those arguments, because I think better as scum than town. So why do you get made when people make it obvious your thinking is crap? | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:33 ritoky wrote: I mean, I think we are so far apart in terms of headspace I don't know what to say. Sure HF is a sicko, but your world is that he fakes a green check on an afk then holds a shot.....to what end? I think it's obvious that she's forced into this stance | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:36 ritoky wrote: i mean i guess there's a super crazy scenario where he has the vigi shot and it goes ML -> vigi shot + mafia shot -> win? are my numbers right there? We're guaranteed 3 scum. 9 players = 6v3. ML + Vig + mafia kp = 3v3 game Idk, HF might showboat if he has had vigi shot and 4 but I think he just ends the game. A no kill at 6v3 is pretty insane. | ||
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6v4 held shot is irrelevant unless there's a correct vigi shot; so safe-ish to hold but still bad. 7v3 a held shot enables 2 ML, 2KP and requires an incorrect shot to win the game. 7v3 shot taken means 2ML, 1 KP and either a missed vig or 2 KP to win | ||
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On August 21 2017 07:27 Conversion wrote: I don't like you because you make cases without thinking about the bigger picture (Like you call me and Jealous mafia, but in what world am I ever going to be mafia with him. seriously) I don't like geript. I don't like his recent posts I'm not actually reading too much into anything though, and I don't think I should win today. I just don't like either of you You don't like me posting things that make people likely scum? Please go on. | ||
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On August 21 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote: I'm sorry, I didn't know I was supposed to worship you like some sort of mafia god please do go on So what don't you like about what I've been posting? You're like 1 of 4 or 5 people who can be scum. Do you disagree with HF/Ritoky being Town? Do you disagree with Jealous being Town as an extension of that? Do you disagree with me pushing good stuff all game? Do you disagree with Rayn being mod confirmed? Do you disagree with Hopeless likely being Town? HF being scum literally makes zero sense. Between his play, the number of people he would have to be scum with simultaneously, and the no kill. The only person who I think is even possible to argue about is Rayn. So again, what's bad about what I've posted? | ||
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On August 21 2017 08:00 Conversion wrote: why do you care so much LOL I basically didn't read anything for 20+ hours get over it So which recent posts didn't you like then and why? | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:41 Holyflare wrote: Geript been pretty towny and has reads and hasn't died for two cycles. They tried to shoot me last night which means geript isn't a threat to them or is mafia. I chooose possibly mafia but maybe not :D I can't tell until tw dies. So if TW is scum, I'm Town? And vice Versa? i really don't get why you're even trying to push that TW is my only read. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:44 Holyflare wrote: If geript is also mafia I trust him to do some bs sneaky play like "i saved hf" and there be no nk or some shit. So conversion is a much more basic and straightforward approach. He saves me and then we see if there's a nk on him  And the truth comes out... you really just want me to die so things are clear. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:51 Holyflare wrote: I already said you're towny? Don't see the problem. Also those arguments are different because damdred died and I got shot this game. Which is bizarre land. Because it's a dumb argument and a dumb vote. You're being all the people you bitch about who make the "you're still alive" argument. Like last game I had a good read on you, defended you despite the dumb fake redcheck, and had such a good read that I wasn't likely to lynch you even if you hadn't rescinded the check on Rels. It's also kinda funny because I get to call you a total puss from now on. | ||
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On August 22 2017 02:57 ritoky wrote: pretty cool eclipse. we had about 90-92% visibility here in seattle. I'm waiting too get the full eclipse here. Another ~30 min or so. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:05 Conversion wrote: if I win I'm picking doctor and saving HF if HF dies you can vig gun me or judges can put me up on lynch pile and I get auto lynched if I get NK'd, I'll flip town and you'll get more info @geript what are you going to do if you win? I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is heal tails is vest. If it lands on an edge I'll cop check. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:46 geript wrote: Also, all the if HF dies crap is pretty much posturing. Either they coin flip into us or they're setting up for an outside shot. It's basically a reason to try and add someone to the lynch pool. Like idk what you guys expect. Oh and the real kicker is that even if I get a save or a vest to prevent a shot, then I'm scum who obviously held a shot. Paranoia is too real. | ||
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On August 22 2017 03:51 Holyflare wrote: Nah man just that you're capable while conversion isn't really. Dude seems really open right now and i like his flow. Yeah, I could argue with you. But I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to remind you of how scaredicat you are this game in all future games. | ||
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On August 21 2017 06:02 geript wrote: Copcake noticed these. She seems to end up with Onegu/Ever/Disinfo/whoever as town (idk how). But this shit is equally weird. It's taking two completely opposite stances on the same person. @ Judges. Please remember | ||
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On August 21 2017 05:56 geript wrote: TL:DR edition: 1. The 3 minute filter read. It's pretty bullshit that even skimming TW can go through most of a single filter let alone two. He had an earlier townread on Hopeless, puts hopeless in the likely scum group, yes only finds something (that's already been brought up) to find him as towny. 2. TW is giving "updated" reads without having actually read the thread and trying to sell it like he's caught up. So we're constantly in a state where he's both up to date and his reads are irrelevant (or mostly so). 3. TW has rels as basically town (or by far the least scummy), yet Jealous is only the best lynch "by a medium margin" and TW is "debating" reasons to vote Rels... Especially when Rels is being pushed by 2/3rds of his most likely to be scum and the last 1/3 is going to be voting for him. Like Fuck that.... | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:06 CopCake wrote: @Geript Who are the three dumb players / bought that HF got cop?m Who? Dont avoid this question Idk, me, ritoky, Rels? | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:10 CopCake wrote: Ritoki bought HF vest thing? Rels was dead You considered yourself dumb? No real answer, I want the truth now. Fuck you. You've done nothing but spout the literally dumbest most illogical shit all game long. I tried to be nice and answer you despite the jibe but at this point fuck off. I don't know and I don't care. You know why? Because most players who have any fucking experience with him know he's taking Cop. Hell, any half decent player is going to consider that he's likely to take the check. But that's probably a hard concept for you to understand. | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:10 Tumblewood wrote: 1. no, i didn't most of it. that's kind of how skimming works, you don't read most of it. i might have read 15 posts max, but depending on the posts i think that can be enough. (like maybe not for xata but ff's filter in this case had some very townie posts i stumbled upon) 2. i was missing less than 10 pages. please show me where i tried to pass it off as having read more than that. and if you honestly think i would, as scum, consciously try to exist in a limbo between up to date and irrelevant (let alone think that is how i would do it), you are bad 3. jealous had some posts (i think he was frustrated that people were insulting or ignoring him?) that gave me doubts. but i was still confident that by game logic rels was town. so jealous was better by a medium amount, because i wasn't totally sure i was right on him, but it was far from a tossup. this is the nitpickiest shit 1. Skimming a 9 page filter is not reading 15 posts. 2. Yet again wrong. It was 14 pages at least 3. Confident X person is Town and Y person is scum is a medium amount? | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote: am i playing a different game than most people? WHY WOULD MAFIA NOT SHOOT GHDFJGBJDGNDSJKFON Not most people. Just most people who lack common sense. I can only think of 2 instances where mafia no shoot: Once where the KP was irrelevant and narrowing the lynch pool was bad for mylo Once where mafia was afk and forgot to shoot There's maybe been 1-2 more I'm forgetting but it's super rare. | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:29 Tumblewood wrote: 1. well that's what i meant by it 2. are you trying to tell me i'm wrong about what i had read? 3. and you misinterpreted what i literally just said explicitly, which is "i'm having doubts on Y person, but X person must be town by game logic" is a medium amount. Yes, I'm trying to convince you that you're scum. Not the judges who are probably selecting a lynch now. | ||
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I have not been blessed by the judges. I wish I had though. God I fucking wish I had. | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:50 ritoky wrote: is there any possibility that it is team "does not currently care" aka jealous/h1/rayn? It's not impossible | ||
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On August 22 2017 04:54 ritoky wrote: idk i have to figure out who to vote, why can't i just have an easy life and be able to vote on myself....i was green checked and still not top 3...must be koshi. I don't get why Conversion is even up there. Hell Copcake shouldn't be up there either.but I think they are putting her up there because they like her. | ||
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My only guess is because they like your jealous push and think he's scum? I really don't know. I think I'd honestly prefer nomination mafia to this setup. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:37 Conversion wrote: wait the fuck why is geript in there Judges officially smoking crack Disinformation is the obv choice. | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:33 Holyflare wrote: Rayn has pushed the dumbest shit all game and the only thing that makes him town is the mod confirmation. QFT | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:42 Conversion wrote: I'd called TW and Cake more of a town line than a circle, tbh De fucking stroyed | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:47 Holyflare wrote: I'm not the only one reading rayn's jealous push as shit right? It's shit | ||
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On August 22 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote: Why would mafia leave a town geript with a power up alive? Everyone majority voted geript into a power up. He's clearly the most town read person in the game. Why would mafia not take a free opportunity to shoot him? Hmmmmm. Idk, why would mafia leave town geript alive... On August 22 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote: Why would mafia leave a town geript with a power up alive? Everyone majority voted geript into a power up. He's clearly the most town read person in the game. Why would mafia not take a free opportunity to shoot him? Yup no reason whatsoever | ||
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Oh and fuck these judges for being fucking trash tier and not even nominating scum for 2 fucking days at least. | ||
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On August 22 2017 06:19 Conversion wrote: I'm gonna magic 8 ball this pool. because it's horrible. and I'm going to do it 1 minute before deadline Don't steal Copcake's method of reading people. She'll sue. | ||
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On August 22 2017 06:47 Holyflare wrote: hey guys I've actually got a wonderful plan. judges give me the gun and I shoot geript and he just vests right? You forgot I'm mafia then because I RB you. And that I'm mafia if there's no kill because I withheld my shot then.. | ||
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On August 22 2017 07:24 Holyflare wrote: guis notice how geript just disappeared when I came back with slam dunk facts and plays and got artanis to confirm my question to everyone ezpz lemon squeezy we kill rayn and then I make sick plays on geript and we win all day errday Has nothing to do with making supper and enjoying it with my neices. Well at least the one who isn't a little shit. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:12 Holyflare wrote: If i was geript I'd be angry in the mafia qt. It's a setup problem. Mafia wins maybe 15% in this setup. It's ridiculously Town favored. Like Town was literally fucking trash all game. Rels was the only one with good reads and I made sure he got lynched. Like I'd mafia doesn't win D1 power role, then it's all over. Even if they do, Town should be able to figure it out. There's too many votes to analyze groups. While the judges were pretty fucking bad, it didn't even matter. Like I had 80% thread control even with HF in the game and I can't even really cash it in to push lynches that benefit the most. For example a Copcake ML. Like she's a free ML to be taken at any point, but the judges have hardons for her for some terrible reason. Like, I get voted top Town and it doesn't even give me anything worthwhile other than withholding a role from Town. Like it's a really fucked up setup. The setup is awful and I will never play it again. I don't think it can be made not super Town favored. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:24 Holyflare wrote: I don't agree I don't agree either. | ||
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On August 22 2017 18:42 Holyflare wrote: He was basically confirmed mafia and then he did some bull shit talking about mod actions and how they wouldn't let him leave and he was so angry just because I called him the correct alignment. It was extremely bull shit. You shouldn't ever be allowed to talk about whether you've tried to be replaced out and denied. Agreed. He still should've been lynched there though. That D1 case was so far off from tone Rayn it's not even funny. | ||
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Like I don't think there's any real shot for scum to win the setup. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:00 Koshi wrote: Playing with confirmed townies is so easy. I was most of the time +30 pages behind the thread but due to be able to trust Vivax and Superbia 100% it wasn't a problem. I also believe this game was pretty town favored but still not as townfavored as the previous game with Damdred and geript being in the game innocent childs. And then you don't write entire essays on why is was unbalanced. Be consequent. Like... This was nothing compared to that. But this game was something new and I prefer this over Cell mafia anyday. It for sure has some balance issues but the idea was pretty fun and it was incredible to be able to be a judge. Great experience!!! I will for sure join another one of these and theorycraft about the balance then. I think the concept is great, and you can change a lot, or a little bit and both would work. I'll try to write something down to recap the judges mindset next. I thin a mason pair in a mini is far, far more balanced than this setup. 9/10ths of the time in this setup mafia has to leave the towniest guy alive all game while he gets useful roles. If scum Town confirm 1 person, the game becomes almost impossible with this person. The setup completely takes away any strength mafia has to control a game. In a normal setup, I can bus Rayn D1 with his play and go to town using my influence to protect the third mafia player. The mason setup looked OP, but the mafia team was basically MIA and let Town do its thing. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:01 Holyflare wrote: Mafia should start with a rb. Shouldn't be a vig shot. Don't like the judge mechanic one bit. The judges are problematic; I don't think there's any way to balance it. Town getting a vig on top... broken. Mafia not having any way to kill Town and no real benefit for being "super Town" and actually being at an even larger detriment. It's a great idea and worth trying out, but just way too op. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:13 Rels wrote: Disagree. If you just shoot HF N1 you have a real "shot" at winning IMO. You become thread leader and do whatever you want. I don't think there's any way that forcing scum to be thread leader is balanced. Like any non-HF shot implicates people who are towny and experienced. Any HF shot risks mod-confirming HF. That's just lose-lose. In a normal game, Town doesn't even get to know if a shot was prevented (if medic) and a vet claim can be challenged (or shot again). | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:14 Koshi wrote: haha. Please geript. You can have your opinion but it is wrong. If we ever meet up we can talk about this for 4 hours. There is no way I am wrong about this. 14 players. 2 confirmed town. 1 parity cop. So 4 misslynches in a pool of 11 before you lose. It's like judges that can actually interact with the thread and you are not limited by any shenanigans, making EoD way harder for scum. And we as judges played way way way way better than you guys did in that previous game btw. And we as mafia did a pretty decent job as well. I still don't understand the modconfirmed shit with rayn but HF dropped the ball so fucking hard on the D1 lynch. I forgot about parity Cop which was stupidly OP with masons. Masons in a mini is Town favored, but not >65% imo (which is pretty Town favored). Even with the parity Cop, I think it's like 75-80% Town favored. Don't get me wrong, the last game was Town favored, but I don't think it's as much as this setup is. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote: Well in a normal open game HF would be only confirmed to the doc. And if you want to medic dodge you still have to shoot very much down the line like you did here. Right, but in a normal the medic could be a paranoid townie who won't heal HF. Or HF will be medic. Or there won't be a medic. Like 50% of the time in this game the town winner is choosing vest. That's a far, far higher percentage than Town leader gets healed in a normal. Even if HF gets healed, who cares... no big deal. We can just shoot him again. That's the thing; here, D2 we have the same situation as D1. This setup forces mafia to be in complete control of the thread and votes, and have the judges never be able to pick up on it, and be more townie than all the Town all while not giving themselves away via simple vote analysis. Like imagine if we didn't make sure I won D3, then we also have to shoot second best to not confirm mafia (which makes it harder for me to win) or we have to put up with if X player will medic or cop check. Who do they medic. Who do they cop check. Every time mafia wins power up, they're put in a worse position than they were before. Every time they lose a power up, they're in a worse position than before. If town isn't terrible, then they can just setup two 1:1 trades. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:37 Holyflare wrote: The main thing I hate about this game is not being able to lynch who you want to lynch. Yah. I think it actually made it harder for scum because there are better mislymches to push; or consolidations that are better than others. Like even if D3 doesn't go south, then I still have to deal with a bunch of people who are already for lynching me just because I've been pushing them as scum. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We have a bunch of ideas to make the game more balanced, like the judges only picking for half the votes and being allowed to talk in the thread during the night phases and stuff like that, but we'd like to see if there's a point to discussing them first  Btw, this is by far one of the most interesting setup ideas I've seen. It just feels like a bad nomination mafia though. | ||
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On August 22 2017 19:43 Holyflare wrote: The elongated day 1 was annoying. Remove that and have a normal day 1 and mafia don't need to start with a rb cos they can shoot whoever they want. I thought about that, but it's tricky. In a normal, you usually get 2.5 power role uses or more. I'm not sure that balances it enough and it makes it far more swingy (cop check vs vest) TBH, I think it's more interesting if you let mafia store KP. So you could no shoot for 2 nights then have 3 KP on N3. The bonus for mafia winning the power up needs to be more. | ||
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On August 22 2017 22:40 rsoultin wrote: yeeeeaahhh...we made a mistake. namely, we were dealing with a separate issue when hf asked about rb notification on the shot, and did not have the context for hf's question. the concession felt highly emotional to me on the back of that announcement in-thread i by no means think that there was any form of inevitability to the scum loss this game. reads change. who assumes that the lynch pool was all mafia anyway? one more mislynch and judges are out and town loses lynching tumble because only the judges had a good read on him. but i understand the reaction to the rb notification *in b4 geript/rayn come back with how imbalanced the game was lol >> i agree we could have balanced it better but no, i don't think the setup was the reason for your loss, or the reason for the bad position some of you were in onegu/eversince did nothing for their slot rayn got caught out early. not setup related at all both rayn and geript showed major face on d2...ritoky's analysis was sexy that's gameplay, not setup. the setup probably didn't help...but i wouldn't blame it entirely on that No it wasn't emotional about the ruling per se. Look at it from our perspective. 1. We're guaranteed to lose 1 mafia today. 2. HF is 100% shooting mafia tonight--which at best uses up the RB and confirms me as scum. for me getting lynched. 3. How does Rayn/Disinfo not get lynched in like 3 straight lynches. Like, I've done a pretty okish job connecting to Hopeless and distancing from Disinfo; but between Ever's play and voting (plus general thread lean), Disinfo not getting lynched/cop checked/PoE'd from cop checks, etc. is almost impossible. It's just a time saving move. | ||
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On August 22 2017 22:47 Koshi wrote: Yeah I think mafia should maybe have played it through. If they push 1 ml after this they get a free ml on TW. I think either Hopeless or Jealous would have entered the pool after this. Especially with so many townies hard scumreading each other. No. I'm 100% confirmed scum after N3 after the Vig Shot ruling. Basically Disinfo has to dodge a bunch of powerups and lynches (which he will 100% be in). TW is basically confirmed town after I flip. | ||
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On August 23 2017 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: You guys could have pretty easily pushed disinfo/ever/1gu's slot imo. At a minimum one more day of making us sad. I don't think it's that easy. From my viewpoint, Rayn was going to get lynched at some point (because he's obviously not town), Onegu/Ever/Disinfo is going to get lynched for inactivity/being scum/whatever. But equally, I even if I bus both odds of winning every power-up to explain me being alive are super low; plus I still have to lynch HF (highly unlikely), or beat him out for it so he dies (much harder without supporting votes) which also points to me being scum. The only way mafia wins the current setup I think is if they only lose 1 mafia at most and basically just steam roll town. Like the longer I "win" the more actual town (who I've had little ability to lynch) are left in the game who just want to vote me regardless. Like it's not an easy situation. | ||
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On August 23 2017 03:31 rsoultin wrote: I'm not arguing that you thought you didn't have a chance. Clearly you thought that. But 1) HF didn't have a gun (yes, he might have received one, but still) 2) if you think you're conf scum, get yourself lynched, and 3) there's nothing confirming Tumble anything. Town is notorious for plowing through, and scum equally notorious for thinking town will be right more than they are because from your perspective everything appears obvious. Not saying it would be easy. Inevitable, though? No. Not that. Can't blame you for either not seeing that, or not wanting to try, though. HF is 100% getting the gun. At worst, ritoky gets the gun. Even if you say Tumble isn't confirmed by my filter (I'm known for being very willing to bus), there's no scenario where mafia is coming out of D3 with more than 1 member. After a scum lynch, it's 100% correct to shoot. I get confirmed one way or another (which is huge), and it clears up the whole mess. Like, Town may plow through, but it's really hard to plow through when HF is going to write 4 walls of text on what the exact scum team is and why. Especially when he has an alive green check (who will help push it), Hopeless who will reconsider pretty heavily after either Rayn or I die, and a vig shot to mess around with. If Rayn doens't push obvious "unRayn" things all game, it's maybe possible. But past that, idk. | ||
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On August 23 2017 04:23 Rels wrote: so bad. I was never more than a coinflip %age wise. Still the best lynch that day. Jealous was pretty townie. So was ritoky. | ||
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