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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote: Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS. You'll need to actually post the link to make your point | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote: Here He called you mafia and you were mafia together And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS. He called me mafia AS mafia. As in Rayn was mafia, not me. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Jealous
10115 Posts
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:11 Holyflare wrote: I don't expect you to know about Rayn's games with me. I'm correcting your bad meta of rayn by disproving it with evidence from two games ago. TL LXXV(?) or something like that. Game looks identical to here tbh. I never used two games ago https://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1983&page=2 This is the last time I was mafia with rayn and pushed rsoultin hard. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote: You made a post where you scum read/bad read X (tw in this game) because he thought Y after a push. You also thought Y or something. Skynx cased you and you just said the same spiel about it's the thought process and explained it away. Then you said skynx is town for that case even if you didn't believe it. I don't remember the details so much and maybe it's different a bit but this looks exactly the same and your reaction to me is totally different. You also know I exaggerate scum reads early in the game to get people to talk. Ritoky being a weak one to push for discussion. So why flip out about it? It doesn't make any sense to me when you can simply explain something away. I asked you a simple question about a read and you ignored me and then when I tried to get more information from you over an inconsistency it's twisting yoir words fuck you bye. I just want to play mafia. You don't need to be a bitch because you don't like to play mafia. I don't think you're whiney so I think you're mafia. You're more reasonable now and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because you're more reasonable to me after casing me as mafia????? I dont remember what exactly i posted about Skynx last game. From what i remember he even said he hadn't read the whole thread (which could have cleared out like 80% of his case), and i was like "yeah no fucking mafia does this because i am gonna kill it and murder him". That's what i thought back then. I am not sure what you mean "out of character with your behaviour here". I really don't. Telling you why me thinking Tumblewood is mafia at the time (if this is what you talk about) doesn't mean anything. Because it's a completely different thing. In this game i don't care if people case me in the first 24 hours. I couldn't care less, and also i didn't have time to play properly. If you want some real meta, go look at any game i have played with limited time. Just saying "he did this as mafia" is really bs man, because i don't only do that as mafia, and i dont EVEN do that as mafia when i have time to play. It is just simply how i play when i don't have enough time. I flipped about your ritoky read because i wanted you to not do the same mistakes you have done earlier. Or i didn't even flip about that, i told you i don't think he is mafia, because i thought he is town at that point. Instead of asking me why, or in any way trying to cooperate with me you basically called me out for my read and threw a jab at me (yes, the first post about it was JUST that). I remember you being nice last game, i remember myself getting super pissed off at you when you were scum last time, while basically you say "the same kind of things" when you were scum it felt so fucking annoying and this is how i have felt this game (once again sorry for the drunk insults btw  ). But like yeah, that's not really something you can explain to someone. I think all of the points i pointed on you are right (except for the ritoky one you pointed out, that i misread), obviously i am not 100% sure if it makes you mafia, but i think it does. Because whenever you make me feel like i can't have any answer that pleases you i associate it with mafia, i know i do it myself as scum, and idk why you wouldn't. I am not sure what i am even saying here, i don't tend tend to add "feels" in my reads because i think it's shit. But that's how i feel anyways. If you are town can we talk about something that is not me or you? I dont think were getting anywhere here and you can always just lynch me and people will probably agree and i've already told i don't care. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading. No backing out now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:04 Holyflare wrote: I was a strong town read. I got shot n1. Rayn pushed me. Your meta is flawed. can you show me how i did that? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote: Why do I care about an unqualified statement though? He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it. I asked. You said nothing. You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me. I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:24 Holyflare wrote: I asked. You said nothing. You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me. I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push. No, you didn't do that. You asked me "why do i care" and when i told you why i think ritoky is not mafia you basically told me why you dont care. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good). Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare. Then there is this: On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote: That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push. I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet. Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia. Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters. That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare. Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On August 14 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote: Like i fail to believe that rayn the mechanic breaking god only focuses on how he can get judges to give us their reads rather than the fact we get unlimited vests and no mafia nks. Surely he just cares about his own reads rather than that nonsense he was spouting too? Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already. They already have a voice. Then there's all this "I'll tell you later" with a slew of posts in between into "i don't have time to write it now". Do you think, looking at TW's filter, that it would take much time for rayn to quote the post and write 5 seconds of why it's a bad post? I'm pretty sure it takes the same amount of time as saying tw has a bad post and writing an afk excuse. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
There's like a handful of posts from you not even explaining them! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:31 Holyflare wrote: Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia. Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL. Yes, i am not denying that. I am saying a bad read is what i would call a bad read regardless of my alignment.  | ||
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CopCake
4378 Posts
On August 16 2017 00:30 Conversion wrote: Cop can I get clarification on why Onegu lynch? Because he is super smart and shit and is supposed to have done something by now and complained a lot about game mechanics and drawings. The other person I would lynch is Ritoki but most people would find my logic (dumb) idk someone who would get that mad for being a fucking clock, like to me it looked like arrogant. And I dont care what you think, I mean I understand you have many reasons to lynch me (missreading Hopeless several times, asking for rayn to buy time) but I think that would clear how I act in future games (if I play) most games here I have been scum and I havent played in a LONG time in this site, I started again in the cccp mafia. If I have my ways to read people those are my ways, I dont need to use a general filter but my experience with said player. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
QUOTE one you were mafia and I was town. QUOTE two is this game where I am town. What does that make you? You now see this argument doesn't make me mafia in any stretch of the imagination. You're using a narrative again just like that game. This is slam dunk. It's way too similar. | ||
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