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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 15 2017 15:10 GMT
#821
On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote:
Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.

Read on him now?


Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia.


That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game.


Here

He called you mafia and you were mafia together

And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS.

You'll need to actually post the link to make your point
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:10 GMT
#822
On August 16 2017 00:07 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote:
Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.

Read on him now?


Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia.


That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game.


Here

He called you mafia and you were mafia together

And How am I supposed to know about your games with rayn? I am talking of the times he has been mafia with me on VS.


He called me mafia AS mafia. As in Rayn was mafia, not me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:11 GMT
#823
I don't expect you to know about Rayn's games with me. I'm correcting your bad meta of rayn by disproving it with evidence from two games ago. TL LXXV(?) or something like that. Game looks identical to here tbh.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 15 2017 15:13 GMT
#824
Okay seriously, stop using filters to defend/attack rayn. Hes played too many games, how the fuck can you possibly assess his meta?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10321 Posts
August 15 2017 15:13 GMT
#825
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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 15 2017 15:16 GMT
#826
On August 16 2017 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
I don't expect you to know about Rayn's games with me. I'm correcting your bad meta of rayn by disproving it with evidence from two games ago. TL LXXV(?) or something like that. Game looks identical to here tbh.


I never used two games ago

https://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1983&page=2

This is the last time I was mafia with rayn and pushed rsoultin hard.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 15 2017 15:16 GMT
#827
and people said jealous wasnt giving reads.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
August 15 2017 15:19 GMT
#828
@Jealous

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 15 2017 15:21 GMT
#829
On August 16 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2017 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:37 Holyflare wrote:
On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".

That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.

It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement.


Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here.

I don't understand this, can you go more into detail?


You made a post where you scum read/bad read X (tw in this game) because he thought Y after a push. You also thought Y or something. Skynx cased you and you just said the same spiel about it's the thought process and explained it away. Then you said skynx is town for that case even if you didn't believe it. I don't remember the details so much and maybe it's different a bit but this looks exactly the same and your reaction to me is totally different.

You also know I exaggerate scum reads early in the game to get people to talk. Ritoky being a weak one to push for discussion. So why flip out about it? It doesn't make any sense to me when you can simply explain something away. I asked you a simple question about a read and you ignored me and then when I tried to get more information from you over an inconsistency it's twisting yoir words fuck you bye.

I just want to play mafia. You don't need to be a bitch because you don't like to play mafia. I don't think you're whiney so I think you're mafia.

You're more reasonable now and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because you're more reasonable to me after casing me as mafia?????

I dont remember what exactly i posted about Skynx last game. From what i remember he even said he hadn't read the whole thread (which could have cleared out like 80% of his case), and i was like "yeah no fucking mafia does this because i am gonna kill it and murder him". That's what i thought back then. I am not sure what you mean "out of character with your behaviour here". I really don't.

Telling you why me thinking Tumblewood is mafia at the time (if this is what you talk about) doesn't mean anything. Because it's a completely different thing. In this game i don't care if people case me in the first 24 hours. I couldn't care less, and also i didn't have time to play properly. If you want some real meta, go look at any game i have played with limited time. Just saying "he did this as mafia" is really bs man, because i don't only do that as mafia, and i dont EVEN do that as mafia when i have time to play. It is just simply how i play when i don't have enough time.

I flipped about your ritoky read because i wanted you to not do the same mistakes you have done earlier. Or i didn't even flip about that, i told you i don't think he is mafia, because i thought he is town at that point. Instead of asking me why, or in any way trying to cooperate with me you basically called me out for my read and threw a jab at me (yes, the first post about it was JUST that). I remember you being nice last game, i remember myself getting super pissed off at you when you were scum last time, while basically you say "the same kind of things" when you were scum it felt so fucking annoying and this is how i have felt this game (once again sorry for the drunk insults btw ).

But like yeah, that's not really something you can explain to someone. I think all of the points i pointed on you are right (except for the ritoky one you pointed out, that i misread), obviously i am not 100% sure if it makes you mafia, but i think it does. Because whenever you make me feel like i can't have any answer that pleases you i associate it with mafia, i know i do it myself as scum, and idk why you wouldn't. I am not sure what i am even saying here, i don't tend tend to add "feels" in my reads because i think it's shit. But that's how i feel anyways.

If you are town can we talk about something that is not me or you? I dont think were getting anywhere here and you can always just lynch me and people will probably agree and i've already told i don't care.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:21 GMT
#830
Jesus christ I don't even care copcake. You made a read that rayn isn't mafia because of meta. I'm just telling you that meta is wrong. If it was correct in your game and that's your view it is disproved by the fact he pushed me 2 games ago when I was top town read.

Also now that jealous reminds me why rayn is mafia! Yes, rayn said to stop posting pictures and give reads to jealois but this was after jealous' wall posts of reads. That's classic rayn not even being invested in game or reading.

No backing out now.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 15 2017 15:24 GMT
#831
On August 16 2017 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
I was a strong town read. I got shot n1. Rayn pushed me. Your meta is flawed.

can you show me how i did that?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:24 GMT
#832
On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare i dont think ritoky is mafia.


Why do I care about an unqualified statement though?

He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it.


I asked. You said nothing.

You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me.

I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 15 2017 15:26 GMT
#833
On August 16 2017 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote:
On August 14 2017 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare i dont think ritoky is mafia.


Why do I care about an unqualified statement though?

He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it.


I asked. You said nothing.

You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me.

I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push.

No, you didn't do that.
You asked me "why do i care" and when i told you why i think ritoky is not mafia you basically told me why you dont care.
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Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
August 15 2017 15:30 GMT
#834
Cop can I get clarification on why Onegu lynch?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:31 GMT
#835
First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.


Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia.


Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters.

That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare.



Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above.



IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:32 GMT
#836
On August 14 2017 19:13 Holyflare wrote:
Like i fail to believe that rayn the mechanic breaking god only focuses on how he can get judges to give us their reads rather than the fact we get unlimited vests and no mafia nks.

Surely he just cares about his own reads rather than that nonsense he was spouting too? Judges nominate who they think is mafia and we lynch them already. They already have a voice.

Then there's all this "I'll tell you later" with a slew of posts in between into "i don't have time to write it now". Do you think, looking at TW's filter, that it would take much time for rayn to quote the post and write 5 seconds of why it's a bad post? I'm pretty sure it takes the same amount of time as saying tw has a bad post and writing an afk excuse.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:34 GMT
#837
I waited hours for you to explain your reads. There's about 10 posts from me asking for explanations and calling you out.

There's like a handful of posts from you not even explaining them!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 15 2017 15:35 GMT
#838
On August 16 2017 00:31 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.


Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia.

Show nested quote +

Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters.

That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare.



Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above.



IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.

Yes, i am not denying that. I am saying a bad read is what i would call a bad read regardless of my alignment.
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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
August 15 2017 15:37 GMT
#839
On August 16 2017 00:30 Conversion wrote:
Cop can I get clarification on why Onegu lynch?


Because he is super smart and shit and is supposed to have done something by now and complained a lot about game mechanics and drawings.

The other person I would lynch is Ritoki but most people would find my logic (dumb) idk someone who would get that mad for being a fucking clock, like to me it looked like arrogant.

And I dont care what you think, I mean I understand you have many reasons to lynch me (missreading Hopeless several times, asking for rayn to buy time) but I think that would clear how I act in future games (if I play) most games here I have been scum and I havent played in a LONG time in this site, I started again in the cccp mafia.

If I have my ways to read people those are my ways, I dont need to use a general filter but my experience with said player.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 15 2017 15:39 GMT
#840
No. It's identical rayn.

QUOTE one you were mafia and I was town.

QUOTE two is this game where I am town.

What does that make you?

You now see this argument doesn't make me mafia in any stretch of the imagination. You're using a narrative again just like that game. This is slam dunk. It's way too similar.
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