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14.- The beginning of page 3 filter is hopeless x jealous, are they best friends or something? someone knows?
15.- Third post is Jealous x hopeless again!!!
16.- This is the one I was looking for:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jmGjaBX.png)
Rayn is mafia, yes/no? just a summary.
17.- Made one for damdred too.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pNoUJSS.png)
If Geript was his top mafia, why went only for rayn and damdred? because they were getting heated?
18.- The next posts are calling me dumb, and fighting with rayn, quotes Hopeless when he said that rayn should eat a bag of dicks, again Jealous x Hopeless.
19.- Then it is Jealous vs FF when FF said he didnt like Jealous posts at all but he considers him town enough. Then Jealous accuse him of not reading Damdred's filter. This starts at post # 1016, NOTE: He said I make little sense and he doesn't understand why people should vote for me. (Beginning of filter page 4)
20.- Here is when TW says I am town and Jealous gets kinda angry for it, then he says this Jewel:
On August 16 2017 05:29 Jealous wrote:
I think both HF and CopCake can be either or; HF for being either tryhard scum trying to eliminate rayn, or tryhard town trying to eliminate rayn. At least HF does things, posts reads, and interacts with people. CopCake is getting a power-up for doing practically nothing but defend rayn and cry. It's like rolling dice.
I am not town but can be either? confused.
21.- Tumbleweed questions him of that either. Analyze if this answer is good:
On August 16 2017 05:42 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:On August 16 2017 05:36 Jealous wrote:On August 16 2017 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like copcake's culmination of posts today are:
"Rayn is afk cos of real life"
"People scum read me and they're wolves in a forest"
When asked who scum read her she linked a post from conversion that wasn't a scum read, and said it was from hopeless. She forgot all of her scum reads.
She gets annoyed when questioned about basic things.
She doesn't have reads(????)
When asked what good she's done today it's literally, "Told people rayn was afk" and nothing more but then she complains that people are scum reading her because she's done good things today. She can't explain what these good things are. Pretty much this. More or less a failure to play the game. it seems you two are just scumreading cake (idk if you actually scumread her but you attack her like you do) because you think she is not playing well, and not because she is scummy. which is a pretty backwards way of approaching things imo Nope, never said I scumread her. I said that both of them can go either way to some degree, but with either of them in a position to earn a power-up, voting for her would be like taking a shot in the dark and praying. I am wary of her because she made it practically impossible, for me, TO read her. At least HF pushes the game along to some degree until rayn put up the roadblock with his obstinate tantrums.
22.- When HF said Hopeless could be mafia
On August 16 2017 06:41 Jealous wrote:Can you elaborate please?
23.- THIS IS INTERESTING, when Jealous said he had to study and I said that if he wasn't living in Russia (it was like super late for russian to be awake) and guess who answered in a SARCASTIC WAY telling me if Rusia don't have schools? HOPELESS.
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I think there is too much HOPELESS X JEALOUS in this game, I am sold those two now that they are mafia, I am only at page number 4 of the filter and I would dare say Hopeless x Jealous is almost 40%-50%-55% of those posts.
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Post 1193:
On August 16 2017 13:34 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 13:07 geript wrote:On August 16 2017 13:00 Jealous wrote:
In* that was the perfect time for autocorrect to fuck me. What do you think of Conversion? Side track, I know. Earlier on I didn't like his play. I would have to look at the filter to point out specifically what. Later on I started to like his play more despite not agreeing with the things he was saying/concluding. I'll go into more detail on him tomorrow after FF/H1. I honestly probably won't have time to do any of that because exam is in 12 hours and I still have to study and sleep so after the exam I will have about 2 hours to at least do FF/H1 before the cycle ends and then I can do Conversion after that. Stay tuned! Sorry for the lack of paint and my upcoming brief absence.
Post 1301, his next post.
On August 17 2017 00:39 Jealous wrote:
Quick catch-up post:
1. @conversion: Cop couldn't be in the lynch pool, please familiarize yourself with the game because this was a major point in the early hours of phase 1 to the point where Artanis had to step in.
2. @HF: Looking at your progression throughout the game through memory, it looks a lot like this: spend the majority of your time antagonizing rayn which becomes the main topic of conversation for many hours and gets heated and likely contributed to him being in the lynch pool, throw in some okayish reads on other people but don't discuss them much (until recently), then claim to have vig shot and to have shot rayn while also claiming that he is townlock which effectively "made him quit" and ushered in a decent period of silence from everyone, then come back and judge people for still voting for rayn. There are different ways to interpret this:
1. That you were in fact in the heat of the moment and kicked in the door guns blazing and have cooled off, and that Artanis' post does in your mind town lock rayn, and that you genuinely do think the vote should be on one of FF/H1.
2. You almost singlehandedly sparked into motion a series of events which led to approximately 36 hours of almost no one doing anything not - rayn related, or at least not close to what it would be if you hadn't launched your endless assault. Then you tell people to not vote rayn.
I can see 1. I can also kinda see 2, but if the ends is confirming one town (in your mind) and simultaneously killing their motivation to play, I don't know how much I like that. My wariness is rising and I'm not going to take my vote off rayn just because you said so. I want to see this chapter closed and see what the outcome is without a doubt so that there are no lingering questions. It would be a marvelous scum performance if it was MvM, perhaps overplayed but I can't let the possibility of that go. Ultimately, while I don't think the judges are infallible, they did nominate rayn so as you said earlier, I feel justified.
Also, heavy misrepresentation on your part when you say I have all 50/50 reads. I said that H1 and geript are hard town for me. I said that Damdred is scum lean. I said that rayn townlean. Please no misrep. Also curious how I moved down your list in towniness with no input on my part, after you said that my vote for you was the "towniest thing ever" but I can understand the wifom involved in that as well (I was curious why no one other than you said anything about it and you viewed it so purely positively... that's a topic for another discussion. For the record I just couldn't risk it going to CopCake).
3.@geript: Thank you!
I don't remember in ANY posts of the filter he said that Hopeless is town.
IN ANY so far. How can Hopeless be his confirmed town read? What happened with Rayn towered then? HF? huh?
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25.- The town gun mafia gun started because you guessed right, Hopeless postes this thing:
On August 17 2017 11:47 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 17 2017 11:03 Jealous wrote:
I just had the thought that HF pretty much has to be town. Follow me here:
HF gets the power role and claims he got the vig shot. If the judges didn't in fact give him the vig shot, would they not show this by not nominating him for the next PR cycle and then putting him in the scum bucket after that? It would be the clearest indication that HF is lying and deceiving everyone.
The only fault with this logic that I can see is that HF could be drawing attention to himself for having the vig shot intentionally, so that judges can award it to someone else who would potentially be free from scrutiny I guess? That would be an interesting play as well; but one that could only be done from a town persective imo.
Am I completely off base here? You are completely off base for thinking "vig claim could = scum". I did it. Granted it was in terms of "when I get my gun" as opposed to "I shot you already", but still... Wha...?
Jealous next post is this:
On August 17 2017 12:27 Jealous wrote:Nevermind, paint got too complicated once I realized all of the contingencies and the limitations of TL's textbox. Let's look at it from the judge's perspective. HF Claims he has the vig shot
Possible Scenarios
1. HF is town and has the vig shot. T+V
2. HF is scum and has the vig shot. S+V
3. HF is town and doesn't have the vig shot. T-V
4. HF is scum and doesn't have the vig shot. S-V 1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for. It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense. 2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis. If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present. 3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V. This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this: 4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates. This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle. --- In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot. It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions.
The next is posts is kissing Geript's shoes.
26.- His next romance with Hopeless in Jealous last page of filter
On August 18 2017 01:18 Jealous wrote:
What a shit show. I expected more from you H1. Rayn, not so much, but still.
THIS IS IMPORTANT, HE HAD HOPELESS AS A COMPLETE TOWN READ
On August 18 2017 01:19 Jealous wrote:
H1, 1-10, how drunk/fucked up are you right now?
27.- His second to last post of reads
On August 18 2017 01:40 Jealous wrote:To answer people's concerns about me being 50/50 in my posts, the reason why I do this is because I believe that committing to a read and then looking at all consequent posts through that filter makes for biased play. Especially in the first few days, I'd rather discuss what happened objectively and use that to shape my opinion, not make an opinion and then discuss based on that. I hate it when people put out one liner reads early in the game en masse like Damdred did. I also can't partake in any of the meta because in the long and illustrious history of players like rayn and HF, I am sure they can dig up whatever they want to prove/disprove anything they claim about the other, and also because I have no point of reference in that regard. So, that being said, I don't see how it's unexpected that a player who is unfamiliar with the rest of the population, has 0 meta, and is a relative scrub is making long posts that are trying to explain their thinking process. I'm trying to get better at this as I'm doing it, so I explain my rationale from start to finish. Then I get scumread for it? Whatever. I appreciate people like geript explaining things clearly and also answering my posts, even if they don't make sense because of meta or because I didn't think things through in a civil manner. But apparently what flies here is 1. shit up the thread 2. make one line read posts like "xx is scum," or "give me a gun," etc. 3. use meta like it's the gold standard. 4. make unsubstantiated lists. The newbie mafia game(s?) I played were much more civil, interesting, and entertaining than this. So without further ado: geriptHF, fuck it, I'll put my faith in my gut since apparently him lying habitually is NAI I understand Ever's position, having to catch up with the thread, and their posts so far have made sense to me so townlean. H1 going to carry over some of the towniness from earlier in the game but he hasn't do anything to impress me recently and this recent shit rubs me the wrong wayCopCake is still a mystery Rayn has been playing in a way that I can't disenfranchise my feelings from my reads and he shitposts too much, so I'd be fine with him just not being here anymore. Unfortunately that doesn't make me scumread him because he still has made some decent posts and ultimately this post in his spat with H1: Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I believed:
"Hopeless sees some argument that banks on Tumblewood having access to judge QT and rayn wants to know what that argument is because Hopeless implied he knows about an argument like that and i can's see any". I would probably think the same thing. Rels I have no clue because I have no meta and he hasn't posted, so natural scumlean Conversion - I didn't like his posts earlier in the game, then he kinda started posting better, then he apparently started willfully not reading filters in their entirety as soon as he found something to latch onto and publish to the thread so I'll give him a scumlean on that Damdred
ritoky
TWFuck it. See y'all tonight.
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To me the last interaction of Jealous x Hopeless look like MvM and Jealous trying to distance because his scummate fucked up HARD.
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GG WELL PLAYED, BOOM CAKE
![[image loading]](http://68.media.tumblr.com/3318503a09ae69f236aea060c6788211/tumblr_mkyizgCBGJ1r8h1iyo1_500.gif)
SUPERBIA, you know what to do.
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Honestly you should read them all, it is not posted in a difficult format and most of the points is me pointing out he only talked to Hopeless in his filter, literally.
But to make it easier the best one is this:
Jealous says he needs to read FF/H1 filter, his next post is saying he had Hopeless and Geript as town. Add the salt that He called Geript Mafia in the beginning and a few pages back he asked HF to filter FF/H1
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=103#2052
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Also fuck People who don't read my whole thing, you should do it for RESPECT.
I don't do this always.
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You dont get it.
In any of his filter he says H1 is town
Then in one post he says he needs to filter H1 and FF and in same post he later says his town reads are H1 and you Geript.
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Also giving the best to HF can be done as scum too to win town trust.
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Rayn pls read my case on page 103 or just simply dive in Jelaous filter, I actually invite everyone to read Jelaous filter and notice how weird the interaction with Hopeless is, how he is like I need to filter FF/H1 to pick who to lynch but he always had H1 as town. Super confirmed town.
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I also invite everyone to vote HF, NEVER GERIPT
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Superbia I also super Trust you, PLS if you think my case of JelaousxHopeless as a scum team is good Pls pls pls nominate them as top 3 for lynch.
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Ok I am pissed, I found mafia and no one ever bothers to read my fucking case.
1.-
Jelaous said I am difficult to read, my lack of good communication, that I have done nothing and he drew me as the second most town person is his fucking drawing? Even before that he draw me as "To be wary of cake" and Holyfair.
How the fuck would he drew me as super town if he thinks that I am not playing good?
2.- Check the fucking filter, all he does is to talk to Hopeless, even Hopeless answers for him, and when Jelaous wrote that post of the gun is because Hopeless said dumb shit.
3.- Never in the game Jelaous said Hopeless was town, in one post he said i need to filter him and then later in same post "I find Hopeless to be town"
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On August 18 2017 16:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2017 15:12 CopCake wrote:
You dont get it.
In any of his filter he says H1 is town
Then in one post he says he needs to filter H1 and FF and in same post he later says his town reads are H1 and you Geript. Show nested quote +On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad. Do you understand what due diligence means? Like he called Hopeless town before this. He calls hopeless town after this. I don't see how anything of what you're saying makes Jealous scum.
You dont get it
When there was the first selection of top 3 town by the judges who are the people Jelaous drew as too 3 before the pick?
Jelaous, Cake, Holyflare
Himself, a person he says that plays bad and to be way of, Another person he drew to be wary of.
I even google translate wary of and it said DO NOT TRUST
Why would he drew me and Holyflare as top 3 BEFORE the judges picked if he also DREW ME and HF as "To be wary of"
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Like how on earth would I be top town if he DIDNT consider me top town before? Aheyeudjhfsjsjzbhdejebbbf why not Conversion his top town read?
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On August 18 2017 20:13 Holyflare wrote:
I also cannot understand a word of your case. Just break it down to small bullet power for me and I'll investigate it
- Jelaous thinks that the Judges select people to more town to scum, discusses with Geript and even calls Geript mafia, mod comes to clear that.
- Jelaous now knows that Judges select top 3 more town people.
- Jelaous thinks I am worth of trust, he also thinks HF is not worth of trust. He also thinks I am hard to understand and I havent done shit.
- Before the Judges select their top 3, Jelaous draws himself, cake and HF as the most townie people. What the fuck? He thinks I am not worth of trust neither you and we are top 3 more town.
- Most filter is him talking to Hopeless
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I am sad and angry now, I spent a lot of time reading Jelaous filter and analazying his interactions to get an "I dont understand you" and no one even bothered to read his whole filter.
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On August 19 2017 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2017 00:55 Holyflare wrote:
In someone that's scared and mafia their thought process is probably:
"can't shoot hf what if he takes vest?"
"what if he takes doc and saves geript etc?"
"let's just give them no info"
Kinda fits a rayn kill too imo. Someone that's higher up in town maybe. I'll determine after next nk. Why not shoot me, or rels in that case? Why damdred, who was marginally scummy to the thread?
Because you are mafia and you cant kill yourself
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