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On July 06 2017 19:53 ruXxar wrote: I learned an lot from my last game. Im hoping to apply it here. Also reading the sticky about how to play mafia seems a pretty good idea... Lots of good tips in there :p You always learn something if you actually use a little bit of time on where you went wrong and try to figure out why that happened.  I think you played well last game. Noone really had "superior" reads so you were definitely above an average townie imo. | ||
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On July 06 2017 17:29 Koshi wrote: /in On July 06 2017 18:59 Holyflare wrote: /in ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9F5RAk30cJ0/SqyKJ_ANlhI/AAAAAAAAAFc/oFKQejEj8aE/s320/reservoir-dogs-mexican-standoff2.jpg)  | ||
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 If i couldn't townread half of the game on N1 correctly i would say i am playing terrible. Plus you also had the counterwagon of the townie D1 lynch there. | ||
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On July 06 2017 22:56 Koshi wrote: After N1. And the townies in the list were pretty unreadable at that point. pls pls pls. If those are not superior reads you have never had a decent read in your life. no offense but a lot of offense intended. oh wait i fucked up reading that list. yeah you are right, those were superior reads. | ||
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On July 06 2017 22:58 Koshi wrote: lol that doesn't even make sense rayn. And your last game you were 0/3 mafia after D1. But sure. I'll remember. nha i had Holyflare. | ||
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On July 11 2017 20:33 ruXxar wrote: Is it a valid strategy to not read your role pm and just pretend you are town? No it's not. It defeats the purpose of the game. | ||
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orrr... + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + i prefer the second one as it's actually a good song... | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:35 ruXxar wrote: You can't hide your alignment from me. My 100% foolproof Rayn detector will tell me your alignment by end of day 1. fair enough we will lynch you if you call me scum. you did it yourself so dont blame me if youre town and happen to be wrong. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote: then why even make this comment? ##vote raynpelikoneet I think youre trying too hard to do something that cannot accomplish anything | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:51 emperorchampion wrote: Lynch Ryan for his music choices, can't have that in this here town. That's all I got so far shush... nightmare is a good song, other than that the band is garbage. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote: No, it's actual a really serious vote. You just made a redundant post that said absolutely nothing and I think you're mafia for it. ok. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:58 emperorchampion wrote: What's off topic about scum hunting ? oh this is interesting, where was i scumhunting? | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:59 Holyflare wrote: Not really, those are off topic useless posts. This one has some semblance of you struggling to fit into the game but actually not being able to. Die mafia. one step ahead baby ^^ | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:02 emperorchampion wrote: Ah I think I misunderstood, thought he was referring to hf's posts This context makes more sense tho wait why is HF "Distracting town with off-topic discussion"? | ||
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i am gonna do the thing noone should ever done and i am gonna see how it works, i am just not gonna tell you i am doing it. :D | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:14 emperorchampion wrote: If hf is scum hunting Ryan I'm curious about your thoughts as well. I am conflicted, are you talking to me? | ||
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i was referring to my super inconsistent one. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:23 emperorchampion wrote: rayn how do you feel about rux town pass to rsoul? I think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia Can i ask you a counter queastion? What if i answered i think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:28 geript wrote: Not the post I wanted you to pick up on so I could like you more...  this is also a terrible post. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:39 emperorchampion wrote: Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf idk but geript seems like he WANTS holyflare to be town instead of wanting to figure out if he is town or not. But ruxxar doesnt even want to figure out what you are after finding something "super good". | ||
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Ruxxar is mafia boys and girls. | ||
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I have a good case on geript, do you? | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:01 ruXxar wrote: And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear. On July 13 2017 08:03 ruXxar wrote: He looks worse than the rest. Aka Poe so far. I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:08 ruXxar wrote: This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far. Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11. no it is not bullshit. 1+1 can be 2 but you're trying to make it look like it's at least 5. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:10 ruXxar wrote: According to this statement there's no way to find mafia before everyone has posted in the thread? Is that what you are saying? do not twist what i am saying. YOU said you dont have a reason to scumread geript except for "poe" and you were -- by your own words, fine with him dying. I told you there is a chance geript is town due to PoE because your 3 man mafia team PoE is missing fucking 5 people of the game..... You are now trying to ask me "am i not allowed to find mafia before everyone has posted??" fuck you mafia. die. | ||
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I dont care what you say, i think you are amfia nad i will try to get you lynched so there is that. FYI my facts are in fact facts, unlike yours. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:18 ruXxar wrote: What's the point in even discussing people who haven't posted yet? you are trying to argue you are "finding mafia" in a poe in 7 people in total when there is 3 mafia and 13 people in the game... Are you fucking kidding me??? You can't get out of this by playing dumb, you literally can't---- no, noone can be that dumb. | ||
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Tell me this: 1) Why cannot, let's say Damdred, sickluckr and VA be mafia, as you are totally fine with geript dying by "poe"? 2) If they can, why are you actually totally fine with geript dying? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:09 ruXxar wrote: Wait, wait wait. Your first sentence was referring to HF context post as if I was accusing HF of off topic discussion. BUT. You second sentence is referring to Rayn as if he was the suspect target. I'm getting conflicting messaging here. this is a very good observation. then even this: he thinks i am talking about his post so it proves he thinks he is on the right track. now go push it or look for more (especially as EC gave a half-arsed answer to a GOOD question -- her answer didn't even have anything to do with the question to be honest). and yes, he is doing it! or.... what?????????? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote: My raynometer is based on totally different criterium. And I don't think HF has a foolproof case. But he's right that Rayn has a lot of filler posts so far. On July 13 2017 07:28 ruXxar wrote: Protip: don't give your own opinion before hearing the other persons answer. something else, he forgets his own case... it's like: ruxxar: "EC WHY DID YOU DO X?" EC: "well Y seems blablabla" ruxxar: "why is that, you might have a point!" ????????????????????????? then after that it is just blablabla again. the dude is mafia, i am bad at english, it doesnt make any sense. it doesnt make any sense it doesnt make any sense . | ||
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i was planning on working on the sidelines for D1 and figure out connections, trust at least one of Koshi and HF is town and they find 1st mafia and then i will just yolo and kill the rest of the scum. But Koshi seemslike he doesnt wanna play and i dont know what that makes him and holyflare (surprise mothafucka) developed a shit scumread on me, so i have to do shit then so this game doesnt get sidetracked. + Show Spoiler + ruxxar - rsoultin: not mafia together #121 ruxxar - Koshi: not mafia together #128 timing is inconvenient, if both scum ruxxar would have posted that earlier, he was around all time #131 HF no Koshi comment? ruxxar - not mafia with EC #143, actually more likely EC is not mafia with HF ruxxar is probably town --- #154 #157 geript cannot be mafia with more than 1 of HF, ruxxar, EC. It is the target (rsoultin) and how it goes, the only person with no content. ruxxar is probably not town, after #154, doesn't do anything geript -- HF, mafia - mafia??? What bullshit is #182. "I want to like you MORE"??? What is the wording? "I wanna read you town so now SADLY i cant that much"? Who even thinks like that? Again it's about the target. See HF earlier and geripts lynch target. geript geript geript, do you do that to your scumbuddy.... rsoultin.... HF? see this later. Fuck it i am just gonna go with if geript is mafia then one of HF/rsoultin is aswell. the whole thing with HF doesnt make any sense, geript calls rsoultin mafia, asks HF worst post, HF says "rsoultin" (her only post), geript goes vomit #182 after saying #157, who is town here, one of the three has to be town. not geript. 2 town? meh why does he do that? ruxxar, geript, HF? so easy? oh god #185 has to be town ruxxar is mafia geript is probably mafia idk who the third one is | ||
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i do not think so. he wants holyflare to be town instead of wanting to know if holyflare is town. i think it makes him scum. | ||
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talk to me, why? | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote: I think geript is town for these reasons 1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan. Here he's just eh. 2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk. 3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo) 1) i am gonna check this out in a bit 2) i disagree, there is logic, always, it is either scum or town logic. the last sentence i am not sure of if he is just trying to play me or what... i genuinely dont understand why he has "no comment" on his read, since there is always a reason, jsut like if you have a "i have a read on this guy but the reason is bad" - reasoning, there is always a reason 3) mhm. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:29 geript wrote: I think you might be right on Rayn btw, but my reasons are better What are your reasons? Don't care if they apply anymore, what were they? | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:30 Damdred wrote: Like right now I have a read so hard he's confirmed to me A super strong town read (rayn) A slight scum read (ruxxar) And a would lynch possibly (tina) The rest haven't interested me yet, what do you think of this besides geript rayn. I have a townread on EC, nothing more. I don't think what you said on rsoultin makes her mafia, that was one of the first posts in the game. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:18 geript wrote: In my bigger post above. I just want to solve game and win. Have fun. The usual But in the bigger post you dont even try to think about (well apparently before -- see my "bad posts") what i think, where i am coming from. You have this thing where you completely ignore what i am trying to do and turn it around into "why rayn could be mafia" by telling why YOU wouldn't do that as mafia (which -- if and as you are so aware of, you would totally do)... So what am i supposed to think? | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:28 geript wrote: Fuck if I know. I get why you don't like the post. I think you're Town (not sure) and don't care pursuing it. I just didn't understand your play which is why I got dragged off thinking about rsoul the thing is i dont dislike anything particular you have said. i jsut wanna know why you are saying the things you say. and you are not telling me. that's my problem. | ||
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You for example. Why the fuck are you (amongst others) talking about something completely not alignment indigative? | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:40 geript wrote: Other than the rsoul read (which I can't explain because I honestly don't know) what else do you want to know? Why I made the big post that looks like a Rayn is scum post? Because I want you to understand where I me coming from and why I don't have an answer for the rsoul read. [b] I want you to be able to see how I'm thinking because that should lead you to me being Town[/n] (or we just throw hissy fits and scumread each other until one of us gets modkilled). Either's possible. Like I just want to be chill and lynch 3 for 3 I don't get what else you want to know Again, the problem is you never did anything regarding the bolded part. | ||
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] I want you to be able to see how I'm thinking because that should lead you to me being Town that was supposed to be bolded. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:45 ruXxar wrote: My whole point is trying to determine damdreds alignment. He's town. Next? | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:46 geript wrote: And that's how I think. I think in fucking random ass ways that connect things together that shouldn't logically be connected. It's just how the tracks run. I don't think you're scum so I wanted to work together; but you still think I'm scum so idfk how to help you rayn.. talk about something else then. why doesn't my case on ruxxar make him mafia? | ||
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He basically told me to go fuck myself. That's not bad anymore, not insane, that's just bs. | ||
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: [/B]Rayn not trying to game the system with shit is really outside of his town meta. Like he destroyed my pyp game by making sure that the picks were predetermined. He's really good at that sort of thing. I really like his Koshi push though. Like it's really weird that Koshi'sarguments trying to bully people into not shooting when someone is definitely going to shoot at 24hrs. Probably 3-5 people will try in the least. Like Koshi as town would be having some fun with this or trying to do something to push a read. Or something, anything. | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:07 geript wrote: She literally has like 1 post that says nothing at all. and these are the responses to Damdred's points. wait... this makes him a dumbass how? also you said my case does not make him mafia BEFORE any of these posts happened so what was the reason BEFORE any of these posts happened? | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:13 geript wrote: I can't assume that someone who has drawn attention and hasn't made a post that made me think is dumb? Like he's been posting dumb shit all along and you want me to narrow it down to a specific thing. Come on Rayn, be reasonable. we both know mafia can post dumb shit as well as town. why is this town dumb shit? you aren't answering my question here. you are giving all the other answers except for what i am asking. | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:13 Damdred wrote: [/B]Off the cuff seems to much like buddying, trying to get on your good side. Push on koshi is off and just tagging along on the era you established, easy to get to of blame if he is lynched. the dude is hard calling me mafia... | ||
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On July 13 2017 14:01 emperorchampion wrote: [/B]rayn did you get anything from this re: damdred? No, not really. And i didnt bother because he apparently misread the whole psot in the first place. I was interested in how he is going to explain what makes geript mafia there since that post is literally him acting the same he does in this game. Damdred has usually very good poe reads early on in the game, i also know sometimes he is horribly wrong. So basically i really dont get how this even happens: geript: i have a scumread on rsoultin rayn: why? geript: i can't explain it ray: can you at least try? geript: no rayn: mhm [after couple of pages] geript: of btw i think rayn is mafia because he is not trying to understand why i say the things i say I know i can do a lot of things but i literally can't make a clearer case of trying to understand. Basically Like i try to do something, geript doesn't allow me to do that and a bit later calls me mafia for not doing that. And i think that's very scummy -- especially since his "defence" for his behaviour is "yo i would totally never do that as mafia" which is exactly why you do things as mafia. That's not how a townie thinks, that's exactly what has happened before, especially in the post i quoted, and that was why i wanted to hear what Damdred saw differently. Because i don't see anything different, i see same. | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:56 geript wrote: There's always a reason for my reads as any alignment. But as Town, sometimes it takes me a while to figure out what that reason is. One thing that through me off a bit was your post here: It's a really bad post from you and at the time the worst post in the thread. Like if I'm scum, I'm waiting for a post like this so I get to control the dialogue in the direction I want. As Town, sometime I just haven't figured out what seems off yet. Plus, as Town, I'm not going to be like, "well this dude is obv scum but I'm not gonna tell you why." Then you had this post: Which is also really bad. If I'm scum, I want HF to be scum. I in no way want HF to be Town because he just fucking dominates discussion and shits over all my carefully laid out plans and I can't really fuck with him too much the way I can fuck with you or Damdred. Like me wanting HF to be Town is true, but that's by I'm Town. Scum HF is a royal Pain in the ass. Like I think you're town because of you're read on Rux, but like I said before I don't think it makes Rux scum. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.theexpatwoman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/problem-solving-300x225.jpg) rsoultin is france. | ||
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On July 13 2017 18:37 sicklucker wrote: my only problem with voting rexxar this early is that he was such a easy town read with volumn last game. does not seem like your greatest day one lynch How about you base your opinion on who to lynch on if they are scummy or not? | ||
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I don't think hedging makes him mafia (in case if you by hedging mean what i think you do). I actually went and read his past games and as town he has this thing he is almost never sure of anything ~ a day into the game. Like i got to his summary post in his last town game and it was like "i am unsure of these 5 people and this one guy is ok for now". As mafia it was more like... ugh how to explain it... he tries to find something and then he rolls with it. I'm not sure if you get it. Furthermore, aside meta, i think this post is very very very unlike to come from mafia: On July 13 2017 07:30 emperorchampion wrote: "No way, mind meld," would be my thought I dunno if people can get why but let me try. Basically if youre mafia you do stuff for a reason. Whatever the reason is you think it furthers your wincondition, however good or bad the decision actually is. Here EC basically asked me something (for a reason), gave me the "correct" answer (idk why), and when i was sarcastic about it it feels like he didn't even understand why i basically called him dumb. Can you see what i mean? The whole thing doesn't make much sense as hi as mafia in the first place but the result of it all is something mafia doesn't do 99,9% of the time. | ||
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On July 13 2017 18:57 Holyflare wrote: Yeah but why is damdred town? I think i answered that already? | ||
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On July 13 2017 18:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's the way he presents the geript read, regardless of if he is right or wrong it makes him town. | ||
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Okay, what do you disagree with? I think it is perfectly in line with his other posting and how i fell he should be weighing things, aka what he should think is important and what is not and how it contrasts to his posting. Ugh, how to put it better... When i try to figure out people's motivation in their posts i dont really care about what they post in itself, i care about why they say the stuff they do. I think Damdred actually believes the read he has on geript instead of defending a scumbuudy OR defending someone he knows is a townie. I think the way he argues about the read (in contrast to his other content) makes him town. I know in itself making a read like that is not hard to do as mafia (especially if geript is town), but my opinion on Damdred has nothing to do with the read itself, it's the way he argues about it. Like... the way he goes on with it looks to be in line with the assumed mindset in case he is town. That is like completely different from for example Ruxxar's EC "case". | ||
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On July 13 2017 19:10 Holyflare wrote: We'll have to disagree then. I put much more weight into damdred's ability as mafia. I think he could definitely know geript is town and bend a read to fit his thought process. I also think it's extremely uncharacteristic of damdred to throw out that many reasons on his read on geript this early whereas normally he just has a few feels and sticks to those instead. The second part is actually a decent point. Let's see what Damdred does with his other reads. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote: I'm right about geript 100% rayb. And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on. Why does Damdred say the bolded if he is mafia with / without rsoultin? I think it's a very slippery slope. Actually the red part looks super terrible since Damdred generally has a VERY good tracking record on my alignment early, he even hard-townreads me BEFORE saying he doesnt want to lynch me because he cannot read me... Ugh Damdred are you scum? | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:30 Damdred wrote: A super strong town read (rayn) . On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote: I'm right about geript 100% rayb. And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on. Damdred, elaborate please.... This doesn't make any sense, you either think you have a read on me or you don't. You're saying both here. | ||
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On July 13 2017 19:20 Koshi wrote: You are blind rayn. ? | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:11 ruXxar wrote: I called out damdred for attributing a meta a meta scum read to rsoul when there are plenty of people to attribute scum meta reads to who have no or very low post count. See here is the problem with this: There is no reason to call this out the way you did. You basically defended rsoultin -- or rather attacked Damdred without touching the actual argument at all. | ||
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Let's say there is a men's room in a bar and Damdred is watching the door and you are watching Damdred. Tina goes into the men's room and Damdred says "hey you can't go in there!". Then VA, Rels and Tumblewood go inside too and at this point you go to Damdred and tell him "well dude, why aren't you telling these people they can't go in too? huh.. That's unreasonable!" And that's bullshit ruxxar. | ||
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sl why does your vote end up on where it is? | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:49 ruXxar wrote: I'm saying he shouldn't be scumresding any of them. Then why didnt you attack his agrument you clearly think is bullshit instead of saying something completely different? | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:59 Holyflare wrote: Hey rayn. If you thought the case ruxxar posted to ec was good and ec didn't answer it properly why do you not engage ec on it? because i don't think the case was particularly good. i think the post was good, the observation was townie imo. i don't think EC not answering it makes him mafia, especially after how he seems to be approaching the situations in this game -- aka looking them from a completely different view. Like Skynx just created a narrative for where my actions fit. They don't, if you actually look behind why i am posting what i am. I am not really gonna say anything more about it, you can believe him if you want to, but that just makes you bad. | ||
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yes. as i said it would make ruxxar town but after he himself proved he thought he was onto something (see his answer to my post soon after) he just decided to do nothing with it. I mean like, have you ever seen a townie who thinks they have a good case and then just do nothing with it? I havent. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote: Give me a quick one line read list rayn. emperorchampion Skynx Damdred - i am going to agree with Koshi here Koshi Holyflare VayneAuthority - hasn't posted Rels - boooring Tumblewood - booring, can't tell, he does these retarded "i see an argument -> i am just gonna say it's tvt" as both alignment sicklucker - not sure for reasons i dont wanna discuss yet rsoultin geript ruXxar | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:08 Skynx wrote: You gona have to expand on the bolded. You called it the best post in the thread. If the case wasn't good why do you expect him to keep pushing EC? Doesn't pushing someone with bad reasons suggest mafia agenda? because he clearly thought the case is good. like your case on me is trash but i still don't think you are mafia. it's a townie post. those two things are completely different. so please do not compare them, that's how you end up lynching townies. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:11 Holyflare wrote: You're going to agree with koshi despite what I said? yes, i spent like half an hour reading Damdred's past games after making the "idk what damdred is" post. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote: wow insomnia im so fucked today. what do you want ryan why are you voting for ruxxar? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:19 sicklucker wrote: Why did you not take my bait and react when I voted you? because i know it was a bait and doesnt accomplish anything i am trying to figure out why you say this: On July 13 2017 18:37 sicklucker wrote: my only problem with voting rexxar this early is that he was such a easy town read with volumn last game. does not seem like your greatest day one lynch On July 13 2017 18:46 sicklucker wrote: holy shit rstoulins posts are annoying but in a trying to be cute way. someones been posting somewhere and then vote for ruxxar instead? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:22 Skynx wrote: Lol so you were baiting Ruxxar or what? You pointed out EC's mistake first, then claimed Ruxxar's post the best post?? like wtf? If you thought the case was shit then you don't say that. If you actually liked the case then that makes EC mafia along with Ruxxar. Simple calculus... i am not following you here. where did i point out EC's mistake? | ||
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EC makes the post. I misunderstand it and ask him about it. He clears that up. I am okay with that. After the clarification ruxxar points out something else about the post and the clarification. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:28 Skynx wrote: Thats not the point. EC was talking out of his ass, you pointed it out but thats it. Then Ruxxar took it a step further pushed him a bit. Then you scumread Ruxxar for not pushing further while ignoring EC. That's how you see it. I don't. Look i can't say anything if you have made up your mind -- i mean to change it. You say i did something because of X and i say no, it was because of Y. I am just gonna tell who is mafia. You can roll with what you think if you want to, i don't really care since arguing about it is pointless. It is all in the thread. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:34 Skynx wrote: You were posting trash metal songs, Ruxxar pointed out its off topic. EC thought he was referring to HF. You picked it up, he was referring to you but you weren't scumhunting. But you did nothing. Ruxxar picked it up well. The fact that you say you're ok with EC's mistake then realising holy shit its not that simple but not pushing EC while scumreading Ruxxar just doesn't add up man. I'm just repeating my words here, I'm not moving for now cuz you're not making sense. see youre doing the same mistake ruxxar was. my last post you quoted is not referring to ruxxar's post. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:35 sicklucker wrote: Well like I said I took your advice and went with you for now as I dont have anyone better yet. Why did you post that rsoulin quote? I said shes annoying not mafia. I used to town read rstoulin by how annoying she is but that was along time ago. by somewhere i mean I assume she changed her posting style since I last played with her and has been chatting with lex or on another forum or some shit because thats not her old posting style. She used to be like a rugged hyena now shes trying to be a princess Oh i thought you thought she is mafia. But i also think you clearly said you don't wanna lynch ruxxar. So you're just sheeping? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:38 sicklucker wrote: I mean at the time I made that vote I thought the deadline was in a few hours and I had a full day ahead of me. beggers cant be choosers. but I think I got another 24 hours to read random spew and pray we lynch mafia more then average fair enough | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:40 Skynx wrote: Meh i'm gona take a break then continue from where i left reading. so you basically did a case on me based on what i said the first couple of hours and without reading the actual explanations at all. man i was so right here: On July 13 2017 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: this guy can go to ignore pile. he's probably gonna throw if it comes close. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote: You thought the deadline was in a few hours even though you just confirmed last night? i am pretty sure it makes him town | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:45 ruXxar wrote: Can you quote the post you were actually referring to as a "top notch" post? the one in my filter just above it. should i put irony or sarcasm tabs the next time i do that? | ||
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You have three options: 1) I am town and i actually came to this game with a plan of yolo-townreading Koshi and Holyflare from the get go and focusing on posting something semi-garbage and figuring out connections thinking they would lead a day 1 lynch (as they are good at it, even if one of them is town) and then i would sheep and lay out all the shit i have on N1. Then i figured out ruxxar is mafia so i couldn't help myself stopping what i was doing and playing the game normally. 2) I am mafia and EC is mafia. I called ruxxar's post on him good (i think that's what you're trying to say?) and then i called out ruxxar for his case i know is good (since EC is mafia with me -- right?). And you think i am gonna roll with that? I must be the worst mafia player of all times. 3) I am mafia and EC is town. I called ruxxar's post on him good (i think that's what you're trying to say?) and then i called out ruxxar for his case i know is bad. And i could just go with the good case instead? I am directly contradicting myself and i came up with some bullshit reasoning (see (1)) before all of this happened? You should tell me I am a wizard! Before you say "but that's what you are accusing geript of", no, it is not. geript looks like he did stuff and had the answers for possible concerns beforehand already, if you read what happened here and think i did the same then... again, you're a wizard harry. + Show Spoiler [only for tina's eyes] + and no, that 1-day mafia was a one time thing. superbia fucked up imo and i thought i didn't have a choise. i always have a choise at the start of normal D1. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:29 geript wrote: I think you might be right on Rayn btw, but my reasons are better On July 13 2017 09:56 geript wrote: There's always a reason for my reads as any alignment. But as Town, sometimes it takes me a while to figure out what that reason is. One thing that through me off a bit was your post here: It's a really bad post from you and at the time the worst post in the thread. Like if I'm scum, I'm waiting for a post like this so I get to control the dialogue in the direction I want. As Town, sometime I just haven't figured out what seems off yet. Plus, as Town, I'm not going to be like, "well this dude is obv scum but I'm not gonna tell you why." Then you had this post: Which is also really bad. If I'm scum, I want HF to be scum. I in no way want HF to be Town because he just fucking dominates discussion and shits over all my carefully laid out plans and I can't really fuck with him too much the way I can fuck with you or Damdred. Like me wanting HF to be Town is true, but that's by I'm Town. Scum HF is a royal Pain in the ass. Like I think you're town because of you're read on Rux, but like I said before I don't think it makes Rux scum. what is geript doing here? he thinks i might be mafia for some unclaimed reason that is not in the latter post but instead of laying out the reason he calls me town and lists other reasons why i am off? Holyflare, a question: Is it just my bad english but what do you make of this: "if i am scum i want holyflare to be scum"? who says that? like how does that make any sense, do you think if geript is mafia (let's assume he is town here and telling the truth) he wants to bring up a big shitfight between you two for basically any reason (that's how i read it in case he is town). | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:09 Holyflare wrote: Call me Tina, baby. YOU WANT IT DONTCHA? | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:23 Holyflare wrote: Basically if he's mafia he wants me to be mafia because I'm good at diverting the thread and shit fighting distractions. oh okay i didn't read it that way, i read it more like "if i am mafia and hf is not". it makes no sense that way? | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:33 rsoultin wrote: lol he's defending me obv ^^ activity mostly and it's less he's town and more your read is shit we will see about that. i am just gonna quote this: On August 13 2015 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i am going to tell you this: if i manage to lynch Hopeless as i am planning to and you are not supporting it, the last couple of posts will get you 100% lynched on D2 because i am going to fucking push it as you are stupid. I do not care if you/me are right or not. Yo uare just being stupid and ignorant because you - instead of commenting on what i have said - just bring up "how about's". can you see why this is terrible? | ||
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you are not telling me where i am wrong and you definitely think so you are not trying to do anything, you're a france of problem solving youre going to try throw HF off his game fo no apparent reason when you should not be doing that as all it does is help mafia and you should know it, you should know better youre gonna be mafia too | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:43 rsoultin wrote: doesn't matter how many times, as either alignment even, i tell you that your reasoning for lynching bad is shit, you keep using it ^^ so call me stupid all you want and i will until you tell me how my "scum" is your "bad". | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:46 rsoultin wrote: forgive me if after the umpteenth iteration of this same conversation i didn't feel the need to be more specific but i will be now no way, in any world, does someone saying they'll poe 7 people when there are 13 in the game make them mafia -rolls eyes- oh that's not the basis of my case on ruxxar at all and yes, it usually does. | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:46 ruXxar wrote: How am I and HF connected and why is my alignment dependent on his and vice versa. that's not what he is saying, except that you are not mafia together. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:07 rsoultin wrote: Explanaaaations job I -cracks whip- got company though so I'm out. Joni in va, ad on literally anything. Koshi on anyhing other than me and tone reads/feels (that's just retarded lol ><) too to minions! i dont wanna reveal my shit on him but he is definitely mafia | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:13 VayneAuthority wrote: I am trying to establish reads on people based on how they react to my posts. I didnt really see anything interesting, mostly a bunch of spam. I'm here to change that. no way never you approach the game like this as town. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:20 VayneAuthority wrote: you will be sorely mistaken, I intentionally entered this game with my mafia meta. This lets me know you are town though so working as intended. even if you did you never ever say what you did. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:23 VayneAuthority wrote: It doesn't matter I don't need to read your posts anymore. Koshi needs to post more now then I will start an orgy If i am wrong on you in this game then you have magically started caring about how other people in the game perceive you. Like if we are completely honest here in almost every game i am town in you get mislynched after i have died because you dont give any fucks about the thread sentiment and all that jizz and noone can see that makes you town. I don't think you can change that much, because i think you are a lot like i am, and even i can't. I think there is no fucking way, you, VayneAuthority, suddenly care about town lynching a likely mafia suspect you also think is mafia, instead of you just being "no fucks given and this is who is scum". I just don't think that is true and you have to be mafia like every other time you do this. | ||
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Like if we are completely honest here in almost every game i am town in you get mislynched after i have died because you dont give any fucks about the thread sentiment and all that jizz and noone can see that makes you town. And dont take this in a wrong way, it is a compliment because i think you have one of the best reads on this forum when you're town, people just dont know how to read your posts. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:33 Koshi wrote: I agree VA is mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote: At least I get to call rayn very very likely town now. you have to call my bluff though by lynching VA because if he is town there is a chance i am just bullshitting. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont take anything the wrong way, it is interesting and accurate. The only thing you are missing though is implying I still care about being lynched when I don't play much anymore. Why would I play this way knowing that I will be immediately scumread? That's where your theory is off. I assume multiple personalities in my job every day to appease different patients, it is not difficult for me you dont, if you did you wouldnt have played "this way" in many years. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:45 VayneAuthority wrote: It is a paradox to give me any credit and make that claim but this really doesn't further the game at all for me so it's now just filter padding. If I am mafia then who are my team? I think the rest of mafia is in ruxxar/rsoultin/geript and possibly Koshi. not Ruxxar AND Koshi though. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:58 Koshi wrote: Yes. But sadly you wont be able to witness it. gf is waiting so we can go sign our new home. w00t w00t :O can i call you Tina too? | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:00 Koshi wrote: Yep yep. Been 4 months now or something. Pretty good. ggyo | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:26 Damdred wrote: Also rayn to your question earlier, the first sentence was to you the paragraph was to rux. yeah i got that. VA is mafia though. | ||
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I am sure i found mafia, i am alsmot sure you are right on Tina, idk about TW. TW looks super bad but he always does that as any alignment. I wouldnt be sad if he got lynched on D23 but on D1 i dont wanna accept anything other than VA. Nothing is gonna change my mind. | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:57 ruXxar wrote: And yes VA is acting weird. The thread destroyer coming to rid us of all the useless spam and slay all the mafias. If I was mafia I would be shaking in my boots right now. /s that's not what he is doing though, as either alignment. but your music taste is what? dont worry i am not gonna call you scum for the off-topic, i am genuinely interested. | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:57 geript wrote: Don't fucking meta by trying to compare simple posts. It's the same dumb shit Rayn did. The funnier thing was I'm 99% sure that Rayn picked the game where I was traitor and Damdred played the game. That is not how you fucking meta. [W] Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVII Town Vanilla Scum killed Night 1 [N] TL Mafia LX Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 [W] Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVIII Town Jailkeeper Survived Day 4 [N] The Game Mafia Snake Survived Day 5 [T] Boardwalk Empire Mafia: Pick Your Power Town Vanilla Survived Day 5 [M][N] PTP IV - Demons Run Mafia Strax Lynched Day 3 [T] Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Missile Defense System Killed Night 4 [M][N] Gold Rush Micro Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 2 [T] Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Town Atrophic Mage Lynched Day 2 [N] TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 [T] PYP: League of Legends Mafia Town Twitch Modkilled Night 2 [M][N] Cultured Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Night 3 [T] Catastrophe Mafia Town Famine Survived Night 7 [N] You Only Shoot Once Mafia Town Martyr Killed Night 1 [M][N] Arnie got his gun mafia. Mafia Roleblocker Survived Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXVIII: Fanfic Crossover Edition Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 2 [M][T] Devils Riddle Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 2 [M][N] Avogadros Number Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 [M][N] Russia Today Mafia 1-shot Vigilante Endgamed Day 3 [N] Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 [S] Student Mafia V Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 [M][N] Slytherin Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 3 [M][N] Office Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Modkilled Night 1 [T] Jack of All Trades Mafia Mafia Vanilla Killed Day 3 [M][N] Carnaval do Brasil Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [S] Newbie Student Mafia XI Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Tracker Killed Night 2 [M][N] Lost But Not Forgotten Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 2 [T] The New Personality Mafia Town rsoultin Endgamed Day 6 [M][T] Season of the Witch 2 Town Wandering Wraith Killed Night 1 [M][N] Completely Normal Generic Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [S] Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition Town Vanilla Killed Night 1 [T] Pick Your Power: Intriguing Town Link the Hero of Time Killed Night 1 [M][N] Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 4 Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 5 [M][N] Star Wars: Rogue 1 Hype Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 3 which one of these is this game where you were a traitor? | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:49 Holyflare wrote: Honestly I can see townies do everything you've listed though. Even more importantly, almost always townies do most of those things. Like who does write a case as mafia half-way through the thread? That's not what you do as mafia, you wanna be sure your case "holds", not throw some random ass shit. | ||
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My problem with the rsoultin/HF/Koshi trio is that technically any of them can be mafia. I was quite sure rsoultin is mafia but i am not that sure anymore. The real problem is i kinda think Holyflare is mafia but my reasoning is super bullshit since it doesn't make any sense. I would give like 65% chance for HF to be town and really the rest 35% only comes from the fact that he says things i like. That's exactly what i always do as mafia, i just watch the game, predict the outcomes and say things people like -- and things that don't kill my team before people don't have to like me anymore (aka i kill those people). I am never going to lynch Holyflare D1 unless i am completely certain he is mafia (which i am definitely not) or the process of elimination excludes the possibility of him being town. And i definitely do not lynch people who i think are doing townie things. I am probably no going to lynch Koshi either. I am gonna give him a 60% chance of being town, and he will start playing at some point. When he does, his alignment will become clear. If he doesn't, just lynch with fire. I think rsoultin's list is almost too unreal to come from scum. I believe you cannot predict the outcome of how people view you if you make a list like that. I don't like the fact i don't even understand what she is talking about regarding EC, but it only makes sense (her not trying to push her read through) as mafia in case basically all the real lynch targets are town atm. So yeah, i am conflicted but heart says town. I thought geript might be town but then he just started saying things that make absolutely no sense at all so there is that. On top of everything ruxxar's read on Koshi is super weird. He says he is "occupied" with Koshi. He scumreads Koshi for something other people pointed out is not a legit reason to scumread Koshi because Koshi said this is going to be the way he plays before the game. I understand you can ignore that, and think you are right instead, but there must be at least some doubt in your mind. Like you can't ignore the fact that all the evidence for you being wrong in your reasoning is there. Then what he does. Is never trying to even interact with Koshi same as "occupied" with Koshi? He literally talks about (and to) everything except for Koshi. I believe it's more likely he's trying to ride with Koshi not playing -> people thinking he is mafia -> can push. That's where i am at the moment. Tumblewood gets an upgrade into town pile but i'd like to hear more from him. Like.. I pretty much think everyone is town except for my scumreads and Rels. | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:14 geript wrote: I don't recall, but when I read his filter he was all over the fucking place. Like he's so fucking insane without any specific thing. who, ruxxar? all of ruxxar's psots look "fine" but it doesnt matter because if you talk about townies you are always gonna be looking "fine" when you call them town. the problem is what he says he is doing doesnt match what he is doing. | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:46 ruXxar wrote: Right now I'm occupied with koshI. like seriously, his vote has been on Koshi all game, he cared about it enough to inform the hosts his vote is on Koshi. Where does this "occupied" thing show in his filter, before of after this post? Same thing with EC, he shows great interest in something, even points it out, then does nothing with it. | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:34 Holyflare wrote: Also if you have any uncertainty over my alignment you should say why now rayn because you'll die tonight most likely and then I'll have an onslaught of accusations. I really don't, aside form the fact that you do things that look townie to me. Don't worry i think you're town and if you're not people are gonna figure that out, and me dying is not a reason to start thinking you are mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:37 Holyflare wrote: She's being real subpar, I don't think she'd call damdred anything. yes she is, i jsut dont think it makes her mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:39 Holyflare wrote: And I don't want to base a damdred read on a bs gut read from another player. I want it based on the player's posts. If damdred knows rsoul is town and won't give up without a fight then he's given an out to get out. That's exactly what that post looks like. I know. I just think Damdred's read progression goes like i would expect it to go as town. I mean... how to explain it... He gives reads in an order i would think him to give them as town. There is no reandom "this dude is town". He goes from geript -> rayn -> rsoultin (aka the people he is good at reading, does it even when he doesn't have a sole opinion). then other people. Do you get what i mean? | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:39 Holyflare wrote: I'm killing you tonight and then lynching damdred. Deal with ittttt. | ||
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On July 14 2017 18:49 ruXxar wrote: I already said all I have to say about koshi. Unless he posts something new in the thread I have nothing new to comment on. Just because im not rehashing and spamming the same arguments about koshi does not mean my passion for lynching him has waned. I dont think youre doing it in a townie way. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:14 ruXxar wrote: What's scummy about the way I'm doing it? I couldn't know beforehand that koshi was gonna be afk this game. And even when he decides to be afk, that means I should automatically drop my scum read on him and give him a pass? That makes no sense at all. I know you didn't, except that you did. Because he said so. It's the easiest thing for mafia to find a target to just push someone "afk" who normally isn't afk. If they start posting then who cares, you can easily back off but you didn't actually try to do anything in the time before. Like if i called Rels mafia now for his super fucking nonsense post and voted for him just because he promised to play today and hasn't, there was nothing anyone could say about that because it is a "good" case, there is nothing wrong with that and normally that is mafia behaviour. But it doesn't make him mafia. It doesn't make him mafia even if he doesn't play today. It doesn't mean anything. Just like Koshi playing like he does doesn't mean anything. The thing is whenever you talk about townreads, you generally, maybe 8/10 are on point, exactly on point. But when you talk about scumreads your mindset totally flips around and all the good stuff you realize you somehow cannot see anymore. I think it makes you mafia. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:17 Holyflare wrote: Then what is this shit? Biggest out in history. You're not even committed to it. +1 | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote: Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. and you went from "idk" into "sure mafia over Koshi my top scumread" with no new information. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:19 Holyflare wrote: Dunno just like what he's pushing? Even though it's wrong and bad. His poe list is pretty much mine too. Seems bit carefree? Like I said bit weak. wait what is his poe list? | ||
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Skynx Ruxxar (and these two dont make any sense yet he doesnt care) VA (Koshi?) | ||
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Fuck you. This is just a sugar coated ridicule. Thats the main point of my case, its not irrelevant, its the deliberate ignoring application of facts between two players. It doesn't go nowhere, i vote him, he defends, I don't agree with him, i stay. Fuck you again. Dude the sentence above this in geript's post is almost the only thing that makes sense. Yes it is irrelevant if i treat two people in a different way. It doesnt make me anything. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:33 Skynx wrote: You didn't answer me previously, is it geript/ruxxar/va? It's in my filter even if i didn't specifically direct it to you. Yes i think so atm. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:36 Skynx wrote: Treating two people in a different way is not the same as what happened there. I mean the logic you applied to ruxxar, you apply it to EC aswell, it makes him mafia but you chose to ignore that and i thought thats intentional. nope dude. just nope. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:40 Skynx wrote: We discussed this and agreed to disagree. We have the exact same scumteam. We both have things to scumread eachother, but overall I don't think you're scum and vice versa. Can we work together please? I dont have reasons to scumread you, i just wish you would stop saying dumb things that can get you lynched, like saying ruxxar made a townie thing in where he called you mafia and then you called him mafia for it. | ||
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You argued that one of the reasons you think ruxxar is mafia for is that he calls your post analytical and bullshit at the same time. I tell you that a post can be analytical and bullshit at the same time. You agree. Then you say if a post is analytical and bullshit at the same time it comes from mafia. So basically you are saying that ruxxar is mafia for thinking you are mafia for things that make people mafia.... | ||
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On July 14 2017 21:06 Skynx wrote: That's not the thing that makes him mafia. Is ruxxar a he or she? well that's what your case was like 30% about so i am a bit conflicted now. He. | ||
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On July 15 2017 04:44 rsoultin wrote: not game-related, but thanks <3 and yes, you did, it's just a theme in general that's been eating at me and i shouldn't be pinging you out for something you said like a year or something ago anyway ^^; No he really didnt Tina. | ||
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Yeah i am sorry but which one of ruxxar and geript is town?? | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:02 rsoultin wrote: really didn't what, joni? he really did explain this before o.0 Oh you were referring to the explaining part. My bad. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:04 geript wrote: I'll give you a hint, the other half of the mason pair is Town. If you two are claiminh masons i am 100% killing one of you D2. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:12 Rels wrote: last game I've played with you I didn't play D1, fired up on D2 and lead lynches on 3 scums, then got you lynched. You scumread me all game. Dunked | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:15 geript wrote: And you've gone MIA for more games than I can count for more than just D1. What of it? No. Just dunked. | ||
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I know i just want him to say it so i can rub it in geripts face and lynch him. But not today. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:43 rsoultin wrote: but i really should have/should have had more votes then >< i won't pretend part of it is just i want him to be town right now cause he's one of the few not being an ass, but why wouldn't scum pile on me if va were scum? Because you have a tendency of not getting lynched as town. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:47 rsoultin wrote: ... yeah i'm lynching koshi. fuck you, too. read my damn reasoning, and if you still think your god-va read is better whatevs. maybe scum is just afk or something idk i'd say i'd also vote ruxxar and a smattering of other people i'm not sure on, but that would imply i actually intend to come back and read more bs I mean youre voting on someone who has 0 chance of being lynched and i dong even think youre voting them fully because you think they are mafia. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:56 emperorchampion wrote: noim getting a bit of cold feet on va, but I dunno about moving off | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:57 Rels wrote: if that's thats last message that makes you think that, it shouldn't. It's still minutes before the flip and the vote is 6-4. Totally possible for scum!VA to post that. Totally different from annul last game, who minutes before the deadline was still analyzing votes and posts. yes | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:52 Holyflare wrote: That's also breaking the rules that you dearly love. Look at me care. | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:25 emperorchampion wrote: Like this post is exactly wrong, maybe damdy can chime in more, but I assume there was some tmi in the read. Mafia motivation is to fit in, buddy rayn for same reads. All there was was tmi... I also hate myself for not believing hf. | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:29 Holyflare wrote: believing me about what? Damdred. The geript read was super bullshit as you said. | ||
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Lets see if i can care tomorrow. I almost.... almost tried to do something else last night but then VA posted baby seal. | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:56 Holyflare wrote: ruxxar/skynx/rels Remove skynx and rels, add koshi and geript. Yeah i knoe the last one doesnt make any fucking sense but idk how he can be town. Damdred are you sure you are townfirmed masons? | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:57 ruXxar wrote: .... how do you know you will be here tomorrow? Nice scum slip Shhh lets not tell anyone that. | ||
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No, you will, and did, only get a sarcastic one for very obvious reasons. Why do you even care if i am lock town? | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:56 emperorchampion wrote: meh, I dunno it's not a strong argument. skynx needs to do something. no. people can do all kinds of shit as mafia. people do not come into the thread and actually put effort into building a post where the content is something they KNOW is bs. there is just no way mafia does that. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:00 emperorchampion wrote: By definition every case that a mafia makes is bs, so there has to be holes in it. I'm not convinced that skynx's were outside of the realm of something that mafia could do. It is not that the case is bs, ofc every case mafia does on a townie is bs. It is the fact that when you make a case on a townie you want other people to believe it is a case to lynch for. And this is definitely not one, because if Skynx is mafia he knows he is accusing a townie and doing it in a way he will get called out. When mafia does a case like that they try to -- even a worst mafia player ever tries to -- make a post where they either lynch the dude, or look town if not lynch the dude. The point is you have to predict the outcome before it is out there, and this does not give you good %'s. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:04 emperorchampion wrote: It's a little weird to me that you view the case as something that skynx really believed considering that he was scum reading you lol you realize that me being the target has nothing to do with if he believes in it or not? OMGUS is your enemy in a mafia game. i don't think people wrongfully accusing me in itself make them mafia, and noone should. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:31 Skynx wrote: Tomorrow's lynch should be TW, his vote is by far the worst. This is all he had to say about VA: At the same time he's scumreading geript, stating his case on me is contradicting itself: But that's it, votes geript and pushes nothing more about it while his two townreads lead the vagon. On EoD, he switches me last min and; This is just a typical scum move when both wagons are town. His two page filter is shit in terms of opinion regarding me and VA. Can't stay on geript cuz he claimed so makes a pointless vote on losing wagon, trying to present it like it was saving a town. i agree tumblewood can very well be mafia | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:37 emperorchampion wrote: So you don't believe the mason claim. Is there any reason why not? the dude is insane. he even believed sicklucker's cop claim last game when he said he has a check N0 (there's never a role that can chack people on N0 in TL Mafia). But this is probably him just being mafia trying to imitate his insane shit since every single piece of logic tells those two guys are actually masons. If they are lying they just outed 2 people of their mafia team to try to either lynch their scumbuddy Skynx or try to save town!VA to try to lynch town!Skynx, and neither makes zero sense at all. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:39 Damdred wrote: Eh, i don't want to lose the game but it's not a b.s. deal per se... deal it is then. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:44 emperorchampion wrote: What do you think of the 100% town lock between rux and tumble? Seems super weird for both alignments to me. i dont really think it makes either of them anything. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:56 Damdred wrote: It's a so so read honestly, like the read I put on geript in thread is a town thought process. But it is also parroting rayn way of reason me So could easily n a read you can back down from without way to much effort, while still looking ok if I flip. It is a no lackluster. No Damdred. It was a read that was 100% terrible, Holyflare even said so. I was wrong and Koshi enabled me to be wrong again against the evidence that was there. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:05 emperorchampion wrote: Has koshi responded at all to ruxxar's pressure on him all game so far? Like if they're scum buddies does rux go balls to the wall since day 1? I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi. I don't see why they cant be mafia together. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote: Congrats vivax cobf town | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:08 ruXxar wrote: Couldn't get any traction day 1. Hoping for better luck tomorrow. that's bs, you never even tried. or if you did please show me where it is in your filter? | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:13 ruXxar wrote: As long as you help me lynch koshi I don't care what you call me. noone in this game is ever going to be "helping you lynching koshi" since if he flips mafia you deserve as much credit for it as my shoe does. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:24 ruXxar wrote: Never even tried? I called out the guy a million times. Asked people their thoughts on him. Parked my vote on him for a long ass time. Then you show up with your bullshit claim that I'm mafia for voting koshi?! You can just f**k right off. I dont care where your vote was. Show me where you pushed his lynch, especially after your first "case" (the way Koshi started the game) was proven wrong. It should be very easy thing to do if you actually did that... And no, saying "lynch this guy" is not the same thing as pushing someone, because a push with no reasoning is like my shoe. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote: I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. Did you scumread me or not? i am going to mark this for myself for tomorrow (or if i happen to die to HF), because if this actually happened this is very very scummy. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:34 Skynx wrote: Please do it today, in case you die. Votes for VA, townreads me. Rest is just pushing the idea of I could be scum but thats it + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote: Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia. Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript On July 15 2017 06:23 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves. I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon On July 15 2017 07:06 emperorchampion wrote: Hf what do you think about skynx scum? On July 15 2017 07:27 emperorchampion wrote: Ok so: Damdy and geript masons Hf i think likely to be town If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read If tumble and rux are both town sl looks like town to me Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game Rels Skynx Koshi Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3 On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote: Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others. Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul. Do you have anything to show from before deadline? Or are those posts before deadline? | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:46 emperorchampion wrote: For skynx last day I think my read was mostly like: OK there's the analytical thing that ruxxar mentioned, but also things that geript pointed out in your case. And wasn't a fan of the aggressive tone. It was mostly you looked the worst by poe. For VA, there was the whole thing with his entrance. I voted him because it seemed like it could be a good chance of scum. He never defended him self. He himself said that no one can read him right, so it was like OK then. I dont care what you thought about VA but every single one of those posts Skynx showed looks like you dont even think VA is mafia or at least you think Skynx is more likely mafia, so there is that. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote: Ec can definitely be mafia though. Break it down for the inevrjated I have a hard time of believing Tina was wrong on everything she said and while i dont always understand her (read: i never understand her), she probably has some point on EC that actually is valid. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:52 emperorchampion wrote: You could probably even turn it: why would scum ec not go for the person that he thought was more scummy if they're both town? or you just tried to set up D2 mislynch. who knows, both are equally alike from pure mafia-playbook-gameplay perspective. it doesnt make sense though, that you, like ruxxar, argue -- and try to make it seem like someone is your top lynch when you actually say something very different in your posts. but i am going to stop trying to convince you that you are mafia, it doesnt really work in any case. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Are you 100% gonna stick to this read? nothing is 100% but probably yes. On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Her read is simply my read. That he waffled on you and didn't do much. yeah idk about your two read since i never understood that from the beginning, that's my bad. I townread him for some reasons and had "better" reasons to not look back at the people i poe'd early (aka VA). | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:09 sicklucker wrote: Maybe but you guys have way too much emotion for an internet guessing game Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:24 Holyflare wrote: But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. I mean you did so too, even if you didn't mean it. Or at least a couple of posts you made look veeeery much like it. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:36 Holyflare wrote: (1) And none of the people here meant it to be inflammatory. (2) None of the people here did it to make rsoultin feel bad. (3) In my view 90% of the things quoted were gender neutral, non-sexist remarks and certainly didn't state she was acting a way because of her gender. (4) So when two differing opinions clash in a mafia game and on one side you have someone thinking it's a mafia plan and on the other side you have someone annoyed and angry legitimately or not then how does one proceed? (5) Get mod support instead of writing it in the thread. The more you write that has nothing to do with mafia the more the other person is going to press you on producing stuff and the more annoyed you will get. Mod action ends it immediately. (1) of course not (2) of course not (3) i will take an example, this; "Rsoul has seemingly devolved into a flurry of feminine vomit rather than a mafia player. Artanis has dulled your wit." i am not sure why how this is gender neutral? Like i totally get what you are saying there but newsflash, some people might take offense from you adding one or some (completely irrelevant to a mafia game) of their personal features into a post. Someone might even think your read is BECAUSE of those personal features. Yes, people actually may think so, and in the end it doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't. (4) you can say you think it's a mafia ploy to just post hearts or whatever shit, not adding the implication of "and she does it because she is female". I am pretty sure you can get your message across that way too (5) Yes, you are right. But the thing here is, and was, that it shouldn't be the case and an issue in the first place. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: I can see how that post can be misconstrued to appear sexist but it has absolutely nothing to do with gender. Rsoul the last time I played with her is a bite-y aggressive mafia player. This game she was overboard buddy posting all squiggles and hearts. Adding femine as a descriptor for lots of hearts and squiggles I guess is inherently sexist due to being gendered but it's a thing of our time but it in no way implies she is doing these things because she is female. Quite the contrary, I call her mafia for the buddy. Since I haven't played with her since she got in a relationship with artanis this is simply a stark contrast to aggressive rsoultin of any alignment. Nothing to do with being female and so simple correlation and causation comes into effect and she's gone soft. If someone said to me I got more love-y dovey and complacent after being in a relationship I'd be like, "ok that's an observation." Where does gender come into it? What i was trying to say is that no post on it's own (in this case) was bad in that sense. But when it goes on and on and people add these irrelevant descriptors to their posts it kind of becomes a thing. Especially when the person in question tells people to stop. Like... it's a bit hard to explain. I think rsoultin told you all in question she finds this as a problem. You guys didn't stop. It's imo very clear you can send the same message / read for people without these unnecessary descriptions. Regardless of if you guys meant it or not and regardless of if it is fair or not to take offense from it, it is a fact she did. And you must have at least known there is a possibility she does, as she said she does. I mean like this is not a mafia/town thing, this is about respecting other person in a way that when someone says "i dont like you guys doing this, this hasn't even anything to do with mafia" then you dont do it. i dont really know how to explain it, hope it does make some sense. | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:02 geript wrote: ...If I were a mod, I hope I would've stopped the shit that went on in this game earlier. The problem is there is nothing "wrong" with the things that happened in this game. The only one who could have done so is rsoultin by messaging the mods. But again, that's not the point here. | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:15 Holyflare wrote: And the problem is I know all of you off of the mafia game but clearly not enough that you know me as a person and what I'm like. I'm all about the inflammatory boundary pushing and trolling to make people laugh for sensitive topics and that doesn't translate well to a forum where you can't hear cadence and tone. I know you are like that. Which is part of the reason i had no clue rsoultin will react to this as she did. I probably even enforced it with my "get your shit together" post which was purely because she seemed mad and voted off wagon. | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote: We had rayn bossing it up and killing the tandem rayn-HF was needed imo. I am not sure where you are getting this from the thread. If i was mafia nad read the thread i would have killed HF over rayn N1. I mean like regardless of what i thought i didn't have the pieces together as well as HF did (well i cant tell what i had done after D2 as i don't know and therefore i cant answer that), but it is a fact that at least based on thread HF more on the right track that i was on N1. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [from obs] + Aside from all this off-topi talk Ruxxar if you're here i'd like to ask you something: Can you walk me through with the following; Yesterday i tried to go back and read our interactions on D1 and i still can't figure out where i went wrong. I usually try to learn why i misread someone but i honestly can't make any sense of this one. Basically i called you mafia for two reasons and i would like to know why you did those things: - You called out Damdred because he scumread rsoultin based on couple of her opening posts. He even said that very clearly. There is nothing wrong with that but the way you called him out was super bs imo, since you put it in a way of "well if you call out rsoultin then why don't you call these other people out too?", when those said other people had zero posts made. Like, you understand having made a couple of (or even one post) compared to zero posts make a huge difference? I genuinely associate that with mafia since you werent even really calling out Damdred out for what he did (aka the read in itself) but instead for something else (that doesn't even make any sense). It's like you were comparing two things that were completely different. - Then you seemed like Koshi was super duper scummy for you. Why didn't you ever try to talk about Koshi, push him, or interact with him? I mean like... it's not like people "mislead" you into talking about something else (for example in a way i pushed Rels to talk about nonsense in the last game final phase -- to avoid him making a case on BH), you picked the topics you wanted to talk about and Koshi was never there in those topics. I find it very unnatural, since i am used to people wanting to convince other people to lynch their top scumread. Especially when those said other people don't agree with you i don't understand why don't try to convince them and at the same time you are perfectly comfortable to discuss basically every other player in the game rather than Koshi. And i don't even think that's the worst part. I think the worst part is when i point this out and clearly give you a chance to explain yourself you call my words bs and call me unreasonable. And continue doing the same thing... I mean, did i miss something? Because i don't think i was being unreasonable at all since everything i said is true. I think it is not good play to just brush all this off with what you said, for example here: On July 13 2017 11:09 Tumblewood wrote: this is my summary of the first 15 pages and what i've found: rayn and ruxxar, to each other: "nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh" (hesitantly i call that a tvt argument. i have ec associations with both of them but that doesn't matter because neither has flipped and neither is likely scum) ..especially this was (aside from people scumreading rsoultin for her opening) basically the only thing that had happened in the game. Obviously not everything that i said in obs was there at the time but you get the point, dont you? Another thing is this thing you said a bit later on: rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. I don't think this is the cae. I don't think it was a stupid argument. It made 100% sense, everything i said about ruxxar made 100% sense, because it was true. If you have a problem with something someone says, or a different conclusion, and you wanna improve your play, then plese tell the thread why you do have a different conclusion. It doesn't really help you just say "wow that's bad in from every angle and for everyone" and then you just leave it be. You know like, that's what we are here to do, we try to lynch people based on that either (1) they have TMI as mafia does, (2) we know mafia generally doesnt want to lynch mafia, and (3) we know that mafia call out people (townies) for reasons that don't make people mafia. If you think i did some of this, i don't know why didn't you call me out? If you think i was looking for this and was wrong, why didn't you tell me that in clear words? I think you fell into the same "trap" you kinda did with Calix a couple of games before as you were not evaluating the actual argument, you were just evaluating the fact that there is an argument (aka rolling with narratives which never apply tbh). Like... aside from "not playing" and "not contributing", saying stuff that doesnt make any sense is the most common mafia trait. It is okay if you think in certain instance that is not the case, but the way you argue about it is kind of lackluster imo, because you dont really tell the thread why you think that way. "Playing well", as in not getting lynched and finding mafia, doesn't require huge fucking magic skills. It jsut requires you clinging up to things you find suspicious and at least trying to get other off from things you don't find relevant. I mean, me and holyflare for example are most likely the (almost) most nitpicking people in mafia in the world. We are considered good players. It's not because we are necessarily smarter than other people are. We just dig into stuff we find relevant. If it is "15 pages of shit" and we didn't find anything then well... we do something else. But like... you can't just look at an argument in a way that "there is an argument" and make a decision based on it, because your decision is not informed in any way at that point, and that's kinda point of this game, making informed decisions. | ||
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On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: I thought I played quite towny lol? yeah you did. | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote: I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O avant-garde, right? | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked. ??? | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote: Not sure what you mean with those question marks, rayn. There was a lot of back and forth PM'ing in the background going on. I mean that 100% of the stuff had already gone off before that post of yours. | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:39 beentheredonethat wrote: That's correct. That's why I said previously that I don't have 24/7 availability. I'm not saying that I solved it, I just summed up my in thread reaction. Keep in mind there was quite the PM war going on in the meantime . yeah but you were still able to do votecounts and even a night post. | ||
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That you reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" when it was already over, but you had time to do that earlier if you wanted to since you had time to do votecounts and a night post. So you actually didn't react to it when it was relevant. I mean i don't blame you for not finding it relevant to react to it at the time but don't try to basically say you "would have if i could have" since you definitely could have. | ||
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On July 27 2017 14:06 Tumblewood wrote: who is ian? Ian = Damdred | ||
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