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On July 16 2017 00:51 Holyflare wrote: Ec can definitely be mafia though. Break it down for the inevrjated I have a hard time of believing Tina was wrong on everything she said and while i dont always understand her (read: i never understand her), she probably has some point on EC that actually is valid. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:52 emperorchampion wrote: You could probably even turn it: why would scum ec not go for the person that he thought was more scummy if they're both town? or you just tried to set up D2 mislynch. who knows, both are equally alike from pure mafia-playbook-gameplay perspective. it doesnt make sense though, that you, like ruxxar, argue -- and try to make it seem like someone is your top lynch when you actually say something very different in your posts. but i am going to stop trying to convince you that you are mafia, it doesnt really work in any case. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Are you 100% gonna stick to this read? nothing is 100% but probably yes. On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Her read is simply my read. That he waffled on you and didn't do much. yeah idk about your two read since i never understood that from the beginning, that's my bad. I townread him for some reasons and had "better" reasons to not look back at the people i poe'd early (aka VA). | ||
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rels you really need to start playing earlier. | ||
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Emotions kind of belong to the mafia game (or those things happen), but this was really not it. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:09 sicklucker wrote: Maybe but you guys have way too much emotion for an internet guessing game Yeah but you will never know what personal "insult" hits a person in their hard place. I bet i for example could make you feel the same if i just knew what to say (and vice versa). Some people don't think it is a big deal, others might, that's the point. For example if i was gay and you told me "you're just not making any sense because you're gay" repeatedly it is not okay, and i might take offense in it while for you it might not seem like a big deal. And it has nothing to do with a mafia game in the first place. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:24 Holyflare wrote: But nobody in this game said anything like this in the slightest. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. Which is why the whole ruse looked farcical to me. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't. The fact that someone thinks people did is imo enough. Unless it's completely bullshit which it isn't because at least i can see why she thinks so. Only Ruxxar's comment alluded that rsoultin was acting a way because of something female. I mean you did so too, even if you didn't mean it. Or at least a couple of posts you made look veeeery much like it. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:36 Holyflare wrote: (1) And none of the people here meant it to be inflammatory. (2) None of the people here did it to make rsoultin feel bad. (3) In my view 90% of the things quoted were gender neutral, non-sexist remarks and certainly didn't state she was acting a way because of her gender. (4) So when two differing opinions clash in a mafia game and on one side you have someone thinking it's a mafia plan and on the other side you have someone annoyed and angry legitimately or not then how does one proceed? (5) Get mod support instead of writing it in the thread. The more you write that has nothing to do with mafia the more the other person is going to press you on producing stuff and the more annoyed you will get. Mod action ends it immediately. (1) of course not (2) of course not (3) i will take an example, this; "Rsoul has seemingly devolved into a flurry of feminine vomit rather than a mafia player. Artanis has dulled your wit." i am not sure why how this is gender neutral? Like i totally get what you are saying there but newsflash, some people might take offense from you adding one or some (completely irrelevant to a mafia game) of their personal features into a post. Someone might even think your read is BECAUSE of those personal features. Yes, people actually may think so, and in the end it doesn't matter if they should or shouldn't. (4) you can say you think it's a mafia ploy to just post hearts or whatever shit, not adding the implication of "and she does it because she is female". I am pretty sure you can get your message across that way too  (5) Yes, you are right. But the thing here is, and was, that it shouldn't be the case and an issue in the first place. | ||
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On July 26 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: I can see how that post can be misconstrued to appear sexist but it has absolutely nothing to do with gender. Rsoul the last time I played with her is a bite-y aggressive mafia player. This game she was overboard buddy posting all squiggles and hearts. Adding femine as a descriptor for lots of hearts and squiggles I guess is inherently sexist due to being gendered but it's a thing of our time but it in no way implies she is doing these things because she is female. Quite the contrary, I call her mafia for the buddy. Since I haven't played with her since she got in a relationship with artanis this is simply a stark contrast to aggressive rsoultin of any alignment. Nothing to do with being female and so simple correlation and causation comes into effect and she's gone soft. If someone said to me I got more love-y dovey and complacent after being in a relationship I'd be like, "ok that's an observation." Where does gender come into it? What i was trying to say is that no post on it's own (in this case) was bad in that sense. But when it goes on and on and people add these irrelevant descriptors to their posts it kind of becomes a thing. Especially when the person in question tells people to stop. Like... it's a bit hard to explain. I think rsoultin told you all in question she finds this as a problem. You guys didn't stop. It's imo very clear you can send the same message / read for people without these unnecessary descriptions. Regardless of if you guys meant it or not and regardless of if it is fair or not to take offense from it, it is a fact she did. And you must have at least known there is a possibility she does, as she said she does. I mean like this is not a mafia/town thing, this is about respecting other person in a way that when someone says "i dont like you guys doing this, this hasn't even anything to do with mafia" then you dont do it. i dont really know how to explain it, hope it does make some sense. | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:02 geript wrote: ...If I were a mod, I hope I would've stopped the shit that went on in this game earlier. The problem is there is nothing "wrong" with the things that happened in this game. The only one who could have done so is rsoultin by messaging the mods. But again, that's not the point here. | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:15 Holyflare wrote: And the problem is I know all of you off of the mafia game but clearly not enough that you know me as a person and what I'm like. I'm all about the inflammatory boundary pushing and trolling to make people laugh for sensitive topics and that doesn't translate well to a forum where you can't hear cadence and tone. I know you are like that. Which is part of the reason i had no clue rsoultin will react to this as she did. I probably even enforced it with my "get your shit together" post which was purely because she seemed mad and voted off wagon.  | ||
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On July 26 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote: We had rayn bossing it up and killing the tandem rayn-HF was needed imo. I am not sure where you are getting this from the thread. If i was mafia nad read the thread i would have killed HF over rayn N1. I mean like regardless of what i thought i didn't have the pieces together as well as HF did (well i cant tell what i had done after D2 as i don't know and therefore i cant answer that), but it is a fact that at least based on thread HF more on the right track that i was on N1. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [from obs] + Aside from all this off-topi talk Ruxxar if you're here i'd like to ask you something: Can you walk me through with the following; Yesterday i tried to go back and read our interactions on D1 and i still can't figure out where i went wrong. I usually try to learn why i misread someone but i honestly can't make any sense of this one. Basically i called you mafia for two reasons and i would like to know why you did those things: - You called out Damdred because he scumread rsoultin based on couple of her opening posts. He even said that very clearly. There is nothing wrong with that but the way you called him out was super bs imo, since you put it in a way of "well if you call out rsoultin then why don't you call these other people out too?", when those said other people had zero posts made. Like, you understand having made a couple of (or even one post) compared to zero posts make a huge difference? I genuinely associate that with mafia since you werent even really calling out Damdred out for what he did (aka the read in itself) but instead for something else (that doesn't even make any sense). It's like you were comparing two things that were completely different. - Then you seemed like Koshi was super duper scummy for you. Why didn't you ever try to talk about Koshi, push him, or interact with him? I mean like... it's not like people "mislead" you into talking about something else (for example in a way i pushed Rels to talk about nonsense in the last game final phase -- to avoid him making a case on BH), you picked the topics you wanted to talk about and Koshi was never there in those topics. I find it very unnatural, since i am used to people wanting to convince other people to lynch their top scumread. Especially when those said other people don't agree with you i don't understand why don't try to convince them and at the same time you are perfectly comfortable to discuss basically every other player in the game rather than Koshi. And i don't even think that's the worst part. I think the worst part is when i point this out and clearly give you a chance to explain yourself you call my words bs and call me unreasonable. And continue doing the same thing... I mean, did i miss something? Because i don't think i was being unreasonable at all since everything i said is true. I think it is not good play to just brush all this off with what you said, for example here: On July 13 2017 11:09 Tumblewood wrote: this is my summary of the first 15 pages and what i've found: rayn and ruxxar, to each other: "nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh" (hesitantly i call that a tvt argument. i have ec associations with both of them but that doesn't matter because neither has flipped and neither is likely scum) ..especially this was (aside from people scumreading rsoultin for her opening) basically the only thing that had happened in the game. Obviously not everything that i said in obs was there at the time but you get the point, dont you? Another thing is this thing you said a bit later on: rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. I don't think this is the cae. I don't think it was a stupid argument. It made 100% sense, everything i said about ruxxar made 100% sense, because it was true. If you have a problem with something someone says, or a different conclusion, and you wanna improve your play, then plese tell the thread why you do have a different conclusion. It doesn't really help you just say "wow that's bad in from every angle and for everyone" and then you just leave it be. You know like, that's what we are here to do, we try to lynch people based on that either (1) they have TMI as mafia does, (2) we know mafia generally doesnt want to lynch mafia, and (3) we know that mafia call out people (townies) for reasons that don't make people mafia. If you think i did some of this, i don't know why didn't you call me out? If you think i was looking for this and was wrong, why didn't you tell me that in clear words? I think you fell into the same "trap" you kinda did with Calix a couple of games before as you were not evaluating the actual argument, you were just evaluating the fact that there is an argument (aka rolling with narratives which never apply tbh). Like... aside from "not playing" and "not contributing", saying stuff that doesnt make any sense is the most common mafia trait. It is okay if you think in certain instance that is not the case, but the way you argue about it is kind of lackluster imo, because you dont really tell the thread why you think that way. "Playing well", as in not getting lynched and finding mafia, doesn't require huge fucking magic skills. It jsut requires you clinging up to things you find suspicious and at least trying to get other off from things you don't find relevant. I mean, me and holyflare for example are most likely the (almost) most nitpicking people in mafia in the world. We are considered good players. It's not because we are necessarily smarter than other people are. We just dig into stuff we find relevant. If it is "15 pages of shit" and we didn't find anything then well... we do something else. But like... you can't just look at an argument in a way that "there is an argument" and make a decision based on it, because your decision is not informed in any way at that point, and that's kinda point of this game, making informed decisions. | ||
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On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: I thought I played quite towny lol? yeah you did. | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote: I mean when I was sure of a read I pushed it for a lynch and gave good reasons and both times they were mafia sooo :O avant-garde, right? | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote: Basically, I reacted to the discussion with "stop it immediately" and I hope it kinda worked. ??? | ||
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