EPT[N] TL Mafia LXXV
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- Count out the game but favor the town numbers a bit by adding extra vanilla's. And then modkill for inactivity till the end of N2. - Make roles soft. Parity cop/tracker/watcher over cop. Vengeful/mad bomber over Vigi, or vigis that only shoot on even nights. Jailkeepers over docs if kp isn't delivered, otherwise docs over jailers. - Fuck up "you-are-now-confirmed-town" night actions. Add unaware millers, add protective roles on mafia team (maybe jailer over rb, or just add a doc), give a framer/gf to the mafia team. - If there are many blue roles, punish claiming by giving mafia an extra kp that only shoots blues, but only hits if that person claimed a blue role and is actually a blue role. It's a bit of a "dirty" role but should work. Claiming any blue role should make you eligible to get shot, but you only die if you are actually blue. - Mafia kp should start high and end low. Town kp should be 2 each cycle on average. Things I personally like but aren't standard: - Never modkill a person with +3 pages of content and who was active for 2 cycles. Even if he is mia for 4 cycles. - Do something during D3 to spike activity again. It should be known beforehand so there is no backseat modding ofc. Like mayor elections with double lynch or something. Dnu what. - Assassins are stupid. SK and survivors are fine. - Somehow force people to type 60 posts within the first 2 cycles. Blue roles bring so much problems with them but at the same time are so much fun. A cop that can't say he is a cop is awesome, a cop that claims a redcheck D2 is boring as fuck. Mafia setting up a misslynch is awesome, all your misslynches claiming blue and being prior 1 nk targets is boring as fuck. Lynching mafia d1 is awesome, each mafia role being critical for the mafia team is boring as fuck. (what I mean is that if mafia team loses the rb d1, it shouldn't be devastating, the game shouldn't end by a claiming cop with a unknown doc in his ass directing all lynches. Same for the framer, if the framer dies it shouldn't mean that now every check is correct. Just that mafia does not have the ability to mess with the checks actively. Only a 2 shot vigi or something like that should be a "devastating" loss. But that can be salvaged with the remaining mafia members playing better. EDIT: Same with masons for example. Great and awesome role as long as the 2 fuckers can't say they are masoned ever. When they become innocent child after the other mason died, or simply are confirmed as soon as they claim it is the most boring shit role. EDIT PS: I am not angry. | ||
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On June 08 2017 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Watcher is an OP and dumb role. And survivor is retarded, just as retarded as jester. Watcher is fine if kp isn't delivered. Survivor is fine as well. Assassasins that are veterans or bulletproof are the true cancer. But I am fine playing w.e setup really. | ||
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The role survivor is fine. It isn't the most flashy of roles but it's a fine role. Maybe it should come back green or black to checks. Or town should get a role cop. I am sure there are setups in which a survivor has its place. But maybe more in themed games in which there is also a SK. | ||
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This emoticon is made by mafia over town 9/10 times. It is proven. | ||
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On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote: good morning everyone! omw to work yada yada etc. agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour. dont understand why xata is voting rayn. hf had first post so hes basically conf. town. might sheep onto hoshi later. df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood. hrre is hoping for a slow day at work. lol why? | ||
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*sees a big childish grin appearing on Holyflares face" *pats Holyflare on the head* | ||
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On June 14 2017 16:42 Xatalos wrote: Haha.. Indeed it's quite nothing in the guise of something. Still nothing wrong with it. I like the post as well. Why would that post be more mafia aligned? | ||
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See. Now you are mafia 81/100 times, 9/100 times mafia pretending to be town, 9/100 times town pretending to be mafia, and only 1% chance to be town being town. Can't disagree with math. Especially my math. | ||
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TW for thinking fefe is hilariously suspicious and fefe for believing that. 2 townreads. 1 more than rayn. ggwp. | ||
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On June 14 2017 17:26 Skynx wrote: My problem was more with ruxxar's appreciation rather than disfo's post. I find it a bit of a mafia trend that they feel the need to do this kind of stuff to blend in. This "I liked this post" just felt fake to me. Hmm good answer. You were climbing a bit on my scum ladder but I guess you step down a rail. | ||
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Palmar probably trolling. | ||
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We need to remember this fine piece of reasoning. | ||
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Koshi confirmed bulletproof survivor. I am ok with it. | ||
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The problem is they aren't pushing me for being mafia, and you defend me with the line "I don't think Koshi is mafia" Iz weirdz? | ||
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On June 14 2017 19:49 Xatalos wrote: What, are you claiming Koshi? Nothing obviously. | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:13 Holyflare wrote: But I am town though. I'm gonna destroy all anti-towns. Why am I anti-town? | ||
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On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote: Wow i got him boys. Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:24 Holyflare wrote: Started all depressing. My push made you realise you didn't start with your town meta. Got cased super hard by yourself and me about not following meta. You've done nothing to push game forward. Absolutely no 투혼. 3P/mafia koshi. I was tired yesterday. I actually completely forgot the game. Yes. Nha, I am explaining it to people. See how they react. 2 people saw it but didn't write it down. Lies. Once again I am top tier pushing the game forward. Like kushmaster once said. The main reason people play mafia is to read about themselves. I am enjoying this and I have no problem with being lynched anymore. But it won't happen this game cuz I want to play. | ||
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Some people believe I am 3p, and I let them believe that, but I am not 3p, or at least I am not claiming it. | ||
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or he is mafia and super amused that his bullshit is being gobbled up this easily. I am going to run with option 1 because rayn hasn't done anything yet. And potential other mafia hasn't typed enough. | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:50 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm glad annul posted that video because he also quoted Koshi's math post which is plain bullshit and filler wow wow it was pretty funny. | ||
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I thought I was doing pretty well. Creating such a nice atmosphere by being criminally hilarious. I shall recap: TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it. Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had. 3 townreads, I could have more maybe. But I am more prudent with some others. | ||
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Well. I am not voting rayn because I love rayn. And other than that I don't know yet. | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote: ##vote Koshi I like how you wanted to write some reasoning under that and decided you didn't need that bullshit to put your vote on me :D | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:20 Palmar wrote: koshi is HF mafia? I already answered that Palmar. If he is mafia: He saw I opened with something odd for myself. Called me out and went to bed knowing he could blow it up in the morning, securing fake activity. Saw rayn doing something odd so he also called that out. That's 2 townleaders he is not working with but against in the thread. If both are town he is putting the entire thread in disarray and making it horrible for those 2 and others to find mafia. And on top of that everybody is gobbling up this Koshi is 3p story so it is working absolutely brilliantly. Nothing is being done. ggwp. Now... I think he is more likely town. And I am on the lookout for the mafias. | ||
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##vote btdt - Focused on a very small part of this thread. - Reads seem more opportunistic than real. - Very strong and closed in his language/thoughts. Not carefree and open. I can explain it with many words but I am going to keep it at this for the time being. | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:24 Skynx wrote: You guys are lynching rayn cuz of this or am I missing something else? rayn had no business "defending" or "discriminating" or "lessening" HF his push on me. Pick the right word. Also rayn did it without really knowing what HF was talking about or if he understood it, gave bad arguments to counter HF. We expect more and better from rayn so he is under scrutiny. | ||
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On June 14 2017 21:35 annul wrote: i think the fact that: A. i am here during this argument and therefore have read all of it; and B. i do not have a vote down on anyone yet is indicative of what i think so far HF has no reason to FOS anyone this early and assigning alignment to him based on that is just WIFOM Damn, you are getting me excited now. Do you describe yourself as a town hero? | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:20 beentheredonethat wrote: disformation wants to sheep HF voting Koshi kk On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party that's superbad On June 14 2017 21:09 beentheredonethat wrote: cheap reads bad Koshi I lost part one but I'll remake it. | ||
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On June 14 2017 20:22 beentheredonethat wrote: holy this koshi thing is real On June 14 2017 20:23 beentheredonethat wrote: koshi is not scum On June 14 2017 20:24 beentheredonethat wrote: This is carefree yolo Koshi not under-radar-scum-Koshi I dunno 3rd party koshi though On June 14 2017 20:54 beentheredonethat wrote: actually I regret saying Koshi is playing to his town meta because he isn't. HF is right that Koshi is not pushing the thread forward but town Koshi does. Koshi is busy defending himself (okay I can understand that) and he's posting "fun" stuff besides On June 14 2017 21:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Waitwaitwait I'm not locked on Koshi being 3p, I'm not sheeping you I think he can very well be scum On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote: ##vote Koshi My problem here was that I don't like that he went from being right on me to being wrong and that it was potentially opportunistic mafia. But nha, I am wrong, I now put him as more likely town. | ||
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Ok. PM Onegu please. It is really annoying for me to open filters. | ||
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##vote Palmar Yeah. Why not. | ||
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If that is true I am content  | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:28 Vivax wrote: This post. Sassy and admits to having no scumread when he feels like he has no scumreads. When there are really enough things going on in the thread for any mafia to just come in and pick a townie to scumread with similar arguments as another townie. Or whatever mafia wants to do. But not really be zen and neutral and do things in his own time and reasoning like annul is. Damn... A really good post... Annoying. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:41 Holyflare wrote: I like vivax's inconsistency pick up but his annul read is stating the obvious and I seriously get the feeling that a mafia vivax could have just got lucky picking up on the inconsistency. But that's maximum fear wifom for no reason because I still like it. True. If mafia gives us townreads like that I am ok with not lynching them for a cycle. | ||
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TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious. Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it. Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had. Beentheredonethat is more likely overeager “wrong” town than active pushing a wrong agenda mafia. And his aggressiveness continues over multiple pages, he is now quite confirmed town. Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia. Darthfoley town because pushed the game forward with his Xatalos/Ruxxar posts. And overall is playing really well. Overall playing style he can do it as mafia but I don’t think he is doing it here as mafia. Town with minus points. Skynx started out a bit out of place. But picked it up very well. Sassy answer on btdt and loads of action. Vivax made a pretty good read on Annul. But I don’t like his playstyle atm Null Holyflare his vote on me is incorrect. I don’t like how his gameplan feels set up. | ||
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Maybe Palmar and marv are mafia again. Happened in another big game as well. One can dream. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:48 annul wrote: so you are okay with keeping him around if he is mafia if he "gives town reads like that" -- implying you agree with his town read on me to such a strong extent that even if he is mafia under HF's WIFOM scenario you feel like he is beneficial to keep around................... and then like 2 minutes later you post a reads post and i am not even listed at all? Because I am Nostradamus I already answered this accusation. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:51 annul wrote: your answer does not make sense though. even if you do not know me or you feel like i "lucked in" to a town read that does not negate my criticism here. The fact you are milking a read that basically is "the guy is too chill about doing nothing so probably town" doesn't make you look good annul. Unless for people like Vivax apparently who have meta. I like the read Vivax makes because it makes Vivax look townie. It doesn't do shit for you. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:50 beentheredonethat wrote: Not agreeing with TW and FF. Your reasoning for townreading both is still super shitty. Disformation not jumping on you isn't town indicative. I am not wrong and I would prefer if you take my stuff seriously instead of dismissing it. Also I am not confirmed town and I encourage everyone to read what I write and develop own thoughts. I agree on darthfoley. I wrote that part when every post you had was about me being mafia. I probably wont update my list so see it as punishment for calling me mafia. Life is though. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:55 Vivax wrote: Well he went like "No Skynx it wasn't the content but the tone" to "No Vivax it wasn't the tone but the amount of content" The guy probably meant that from all posts that can be judged on tone and structure. The post from disfo had the most words. Which makes it easier to judge it on tone and structure. something like that. | ||
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nha that is not omgus. For that you need to vote me, and then I need to vote you. My view on you has not changed from when I wrote my listpost, so your little remark did nothing, so where is the omgus? Dnu what you are doing. But the town hero hype cooled down. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:59 Vivax wrote: I don't see the minus points on skynx, Koshi. Why do you think that his start was weak? Entering the thread with a pretty ridiculous harsh reply on the disformation list. I didn't like it. Can't forget it. | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote: I don't like the annul town reads. I think his A-B comparison thing is scummy. | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:05 annul wrote: i attack you. you attack me specifically due to attacking you. that is OMGUS. Hmmmmmmm. pretty sure that is not the definition of omgus at all. preeeetttyyyy sure. | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote: so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim. They are more likely town if SL is mafia. or what do you mean? | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote: believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim Ok. So is it confirmed mafia knows the setup? | ||
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.Oh well. Weird. | ||
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On June 15 2017 01:51 Fecalfeast wrote: Can you explain this post please koshi? You follow it with a couple post analyzing bdtds content so maybe I'm not understanding I try to find mafia based on their game story instead of content from a couple posts. It's not working atm. But it is a way better way to find real mafia over townies making a bad post. | ||
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On June 15 2017 02:46 disformation wrote: from my memory he was like "btdt is scum" "why dont you guys scumread btdt" "oh nvm btdt is town". and then went to the next target. kinda looked like he was trying to find something that sticks. Or....... I was trying to solve the game? What a fucking dumb argument. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote: Remind me not to join big games again, just a headache really. Please leave the thread for 36 hours. Maybe town can salvage your destruction. | ||
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I am just going to ponder if HF is a puppeteer. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote: Koshi case: Claimed 3p Admitted not following meta Didn't do anything real until called out Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume. Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird. Who does koshi scum read?? Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game. What has he done? wow you are terrible at this game. All that shit is not AI. and the others are fucking lies or twisted. fuck you are bad. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote: Koshi case: Claimed 3p Blatant Lie Admitted not following meta Only on my entrance which wasn't town or mafia meta. I said my play would be not mafia because I am not mafia. So this is fucking moronic reason. Didn't do anything real until called out Blatant Lie Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post NAI. And is completely valid to do as town Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread Completely NAI. Hole fucking cow how bad is this? Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume. Blatant Lie. Vivax is townish but there was something I didn't like. I already forgot what. Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird. Blatant Lie. You can't read. Who does koshi scum read?? Nobody real? So what? At least I am not fucking horrible like you are. Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game. SO WHAT? What has he done? 3 pages of filter trying to do things. Pisses me off but I have said this about scumreads I had when they were town so this one is fair | ||
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I'll continue to solve the game but might just do a couple posts from time to time. But maybe not that much. I have enough pages of filter to let you analyse. I was truthful in every post and tried to solve the game. Problem is that trying was greeted by dumb accusation way too many times instead of some help. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:10 Holyflare wrote: So let's just air this out. You're saying I'm town though? I just want to make it super sure. No. I don't know. But I think being this fucking obtuse and trash most likely comes from a townie. But I cannot call you town because this is way too fucking bad. But then again. Maybe that is you being town. w.e. I don't want to talk to you anymore. | ||
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All this is happening because you read 1 sentence of me and got flagged. And now everything you do is because you got tunneled after that 1 sentence and you are so biased on everything I write down you can't see shit anymore. That's ok because I already done this when I was total newb. Just can't understand how you can still have this. But then again there are a multitude of people calling me mafia so I am doing some things wrong. | ||
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my last post was a better explanation. but don't worry about it. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: You have 5 votes in the first 24h on D1 and you're Koshi. Get over it dude. What would you like to talk about? I have nothing. I actually tried for like 5 hours and it got me nowhere. So I am just going to do nothing for the next 15 or so. My filter is big enough. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote: Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion. That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con. This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns. The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed. meh. I don't think mafia keeps it up like he did. It's hard. | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:46 VayneAuthority wrote: breaking character to state that this is the scummiest post in the thread so far for me At least you kept it up for such a long time :D | ||
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On June 15 2017 04:57 ruXxar wrote: The HF I know goes balls deep as mafia. Totally relentless. Weird you say that about your 100% townread but w.e. I have played more games with him than you 2 combined and I don't think he keeps it up like he did. He is way more likely full on tunneled town thinking he is correct. The reasoning he gave for me being mafia are too bad to come from mafia HF with a straight head, this is terribad tunneled hf that lost all sense of logic and reason. | ||
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It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities. | ||
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And then maybe 1-2 mafia within more volume but not that impactful. | ||
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Xatalos is the biggest filter that might be mafia. Because I think he is playing around me. Grack is a potential mafia. and then there is the 5 posts people....and there is nothing I can say about them. So I am stuck on them because there is no new content. I am filterdiving maybe a bit now. dnu. | ||
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Just like some people don't like my fefe and TW reads. Which also could be wrong. It's just something I believed at that point because I am trying to solve the game and I need to eliminate. | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:24 ruXxar wrote: koshi, is palmar still your strongest scum read? He is not a scumread because he has done nothing scummy. I do not know who is scum atm. | ||
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3)Palmar 4)Rels 7)Tumblewood (do we know mafia knows the setup or did he slip?) 11)raynpelikoneet 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 21)ruXxar 22)Eversince | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:33 Tumblewood wrote: what do you mean about me slipping? why do you think mafia knows the setup? | ||
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On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote: believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim What do you mean then? If they are mafia without information there is really no problem with them believing the claim. And if they are mafia with information they can still pretend so w.e But what do you mean with it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:38 Tumblewood wrote: when i said that i meant they know the scumteam. so if they see sl claiming a red check, unless they are scum with eversince they should know he's bullshitting hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok I understand what you were trying to say. | ||
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4)Rels 11)raynpelikoneet 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 21)ruXxar 22)Eversince Update | ||
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##vote marv The only one who as mafia would not make a post till he feels like doing so after waking up D1 | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:50 disformation wrote: was in your filter trying to figure out why he was on the list. nvm. yeah big mistake. He has been top top top town. | ||
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On June 15 2017 05:52 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv The only one who as mafia would not make a post till he feels like doing so after waking up D1 ##unvote ##vote marv The only one who as mafia would not make a post till he feels like doing so after waking up D2 | ||
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All other active posters I think are very likely town. Or should only be looked at again D3 or even D4. And from the low volume posters I went on a stretch sometimes but it is my opinion and I stand behind it. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:00 Fecalfeast wrote: That is to say I dont disagree with those 3 being scummy but what's the difference from ruxxar ruxxar makes comments that are frowned upon on this site which draws a shitton of attention to him. I believe he doesn't know that it draws attention to him but thinks he is playing the game properly, rather than a mafia trying to help town but failing. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote: He not only believed sl's cop claim (which was made a post after sl said the tl meta is to piss people off and get reads) he used the cop claim to say we should lynch into ever and then sl if ever comes up green. He then has the inconsistency that koshi explained for him giving him an easy out. This is circumstantial of course and not that strong. He then comes into the thread after a wagon has formed on koshi and says 'i read koshis filter he's scum' with no explanation until he was pressured into giving one. He then (after the votes are on him) goes on to say that sicklucker who has like 4 posts with 0 content is his top town because scum wouldn't fake claim cop as though he hadn't noticed that everyone took it as a joke. Exactly. Why would that be his gameplan as mafia? On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote: This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote: This one is easy to explain. Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia. If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch. I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia. It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town. All these 3 posts are more likely coming from a genuine townie than a mafia failing to blend in. | ||
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3)Palmar 4)Rels 11)raynpelikoneet 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince Good stuff. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote: You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi? It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction. Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here. And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm. | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:35 Holyflare wrote: Like if you're going to scum read someone at least pretend you've read what they write? Even a little bit. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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On June 15 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good). Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare. Then there is this: On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote: That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push. I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet. Another dude suspicious is disformation. First there is the Koshi thing where disformation basically went like "i agree this post is scummy but let me decide later after Koshi posts more if this post is actually scummy or not". That's fucking bullshit. You either think some post makes someone scum (if you call a post scummy) or you dont. A post doesn't become more scummy AFTER person has posted SOMETHING ELSE. That's a huge leap of logic, basically saying post A is scummy (or not) based on to-be-come-posts B and C. Another thing that raises my eyebrows is this: On June 14 2017 22:22 disformation wrote: oh right, the other dude who hasnt answered a good question asked of/to/from/of him What does disformation actually wanna do this game? Apparently his top scum read (or 3p read, i don't even fucking know) votes for someone who hasn't posted basically anything. disformation decides that "because Palmar didn't do something when he wasn't here" he might be scummy. wooo woooo! And people call this dude one of their top town reads. What has he actually done despite being here a lot and posting a lot? What a joke. Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was). Tumblewood on the other hand didn't care to answer me afaik. Well now it doesn't matter, since it was about his comment on DF. Now i wont get anything out of it anyways so i have to judge him later. I didn't like how he approached the DF opening. Xatalos is again being super antagonizing towards me. Can't fucking see the obvious while we have talked about this very same thing after basically every game where he decides to tunnel me (which is 100% of the last 2 yr games...). Unfortunately i think he's town though, i don't really think he would have this approach towards me (agreeing with HF based on fucking bullshit points) if he was mafia, since there is a chance i blow up on him and with certain people in the game ther ARE people who can see what is bullshit and what is not. I think he just genuinely believes in what he says about me, so to the ignorelist. Skynx is most likely town. No need to repeat what others have said. Vivax is so far the most level headed person in the game. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but he is town. Palmar is most likely town for making the correct read (that he should make) there. I mean it's not even unlikely he would make the Vivax town read as mafia but given the game stance at the point i would think he would have more interest in calling me mafia and whatever i say paint it as "well you can't read me", just to fuck with me. VayneAuthority is town. btdt feels town. Idk he feels like he is just all over the place and completely lost in what he should think. Basically i jsut don't think he has a team behind him. I don't think Koshi is mafia. Holyflare could be right in that he is 3p but i don't care about it right now. I think he has some smart posts. That's enough for me for now. Damdred reads meehh... I gotta revisit his filter tomorrow. I am getting too tired today. I don't remember anything annul said, could be mafia. I don't know why people townread darthfoley, because i don't see any good posts from him that i remember. Another one to revisit tomorrow. Everyone else i don't remember anything about basically if they have posted. I didn't even think i need to say this but don't be retarded and think someone is mafia because of what they didn't do when they weren't here. Think with your own brain and don't buy Holyflare's bullshit (yes man, that's fucking bullshit - a lot of what you said is just straight out bullshit regardless of your affiliation and regardless of if you even realize it or not). Think with your own brain. I have a hard time dealing with being called out by half of the game because i happened to have to work 5:30 - 23:30 and some dumbass misconstrued what i said into fit his "this guy is scum" -narrative. I just don't like it, but i am trying to deal with it. Now excuse me i need to take a shower and wake up in 4 hours to work possibly only 14 hours. Fortunately i don't have to decide who to vote for until tomorrow evening. peace Oh goodie. I am going to scrap rayn of my list. Almost the same reads as I have. And he is on ok with Vivax his disfo read. I didn't pay enough attention to disfo tbh. But yeah, he is 100% in my blindspot. I will reread disfo tomorrow. 3)Palmar 4)Rels 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince | ||
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I think it is not a bad thing to look at disfo. I just opened his filter and I don't think he is mafia. He and Xata have somewhat similar playstyles as town. Always very involved in the moment but not in a leadership kinda way. More like a right hand figure. But as mafia they can't bring the right hand figure thing like the snake guy in lord of the rings who whispered bad things in the king his ear. So at this point disfo is doing that. Just a lot of noise on ongoing events but not leadership worthy things. Like he has so many comments on HF/Koshi related stuff. While Xatalos is not doing that at all. He is way more reserved about his talking topics, the best example is his complete lack of interest in HF/Koshi related stuff. So I am still going to call disfo town and Xata potential scum. | ||
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And you get all credit for those 3 scumreads because you singled them out way faster than I did. Just match our reads with Vivax/rayn because they are on par with each other as well. I think we 4 can be a pretty decent town circle atm. | ||
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##vote Xatalos I think I can see him flip mafia. | ||
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On June 15 2017 12:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, if you think HF is town why is Xatalos' "uninterest" in talking about Koshi/HF scummy? I mean what do you see there? If he is scum and you two are not why would he not talk about it? Xatalos has a tendency to waffle from post to another (like in a post-what-comes-to-mind sort of way) as either alignment. Imo for him as mafia that would be a perfect topic to do what he usually does - and then get nowhere. Also what's with the disfo read? I know very well disformation is super duper waffly as town aswell. But i am not talking about that in my read. I am more into the mindset of approaching certain situations. Its not "idk what to think" or "i change my mind" but rather the starting point of dealing with something is already completely off (as per what i said in my post yesterday). Xatalos can't bring his town waffle to the breakfast table because as scum he doesn't have the ingredients. So instead he cherry picks other topics to talk about. I think as scum he can't continuously talk about something like he can as town. It's hard to waffle with tmi. I'll reread what you said about disfo but I don't think he is mafia. Or I really don't want to lynch him D1. | ||
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On June 15 2017 18:49 disformation wrote: @Rels: was looking at your reeds list again. not sure why you want to lynch marv, ruxxar and eversince over me from that. you also forgot to mention AMG, who also hasnt posted yet. @koshi: anything new from your silent corner? No. I am just wondering who HF will misconstrue next. As rayn putted it so nicely. Koshi, rayn and vivax. What story are we going to get now? Exciting times. | ||
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3)Palmar 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince Maybe I'll try to remove Palmar or sicklucker next. | ||
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On June 15 2017 19:00 disformation wrote: not feeling that good about a hoshi lynch, but i feel the votes on him are good motivation for him to keep posting. =D Tell me exactly why I am mafia? Because it is kinda weird as fuck that you stopped mafia reading me because somebody made a case on me. | ||
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On June 14 2017 23:06 beentheredonethat wrote: I did not do any fearmongering. + Show Spoiler [post in question] + On June 14 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Like in a HF vs. Rayn world I'd always lynch HF over rayn simply because of scum capabilities but right now HF is doing everything and having good points and rayn is not here So far I like HF's "lets wagon koshi and rayn" thing. Koshi's defense feels lackluster, like he's not interested at all. which matches his initial approach (where he said "*pats HF on the back of his head*"). And rayn didn't react at all. Both are capable of leading town. Both don't. On the contrary. I am saying "HF is a good scummer. But so far, he seems super town. The other two guys with the good town reputation though are not living up to it", which is basically what you say about rayn - "sort of to tame and accommodating to make me see town." Why are you agreeing with HF on Rayn but putting him on a "moderate to low" read? Doesn't make sense. The hf vs rayn because of Koshi thing is basically why you scumread rayn. Why not townread the guy who brought it up initially? | ||
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On June 15 2017 19:06 Vivax wrote: I think I would be happy with an eversince lynch today. Feels kind of dickish to lynch someone who rarely plays but mafia is mafia. That huge post reads like she's arguing that HF is mafia pushing Koshi to watch town burn from his golden throne but never actually calls HF mafia. Even in the tl;dr post all we get is an argument for HF being able to be both and we're supposed to draw our own conclusions from Which btw looks like a Koshi town spew deluxe. And this line in the first big post is just lulzy. Openly thinking about how to get townread, ok? Seems like a feeling of regret for not being around to get into the town pile. Haha nice catch. I like you this game Vivax. | ||
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I don't know if Eversince is town trying to be neutral. Or mafia trying to be town but not getting further than neutral. | ||
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It isn't easy to read 40 pages and be completely 100% in sync with the thread. I was pretty content with what he did and where he was. He got to keep it up now. | ||
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On June 15 2017 03:44 Xatalos wrote: Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar: 1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation. 2) This post... ...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would). 3) Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever? - - - All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar. 1) is a mistake/thought a townie can make/have. I don't see the mafia motivation anyway. 2) why would a guy that has survived 12 lynches in a row make that comment? I also don't know why a guy who plays tryhard town would make that comment. But I think town makes more often yolo comments than mafia. 3) Again. Yolo town or calculated mafia? I think town. If he is mafia, he hasn't shown any mafia agenda. Just lacklusterness. Maybe he is a bit demotivated he rolled mafia and is now swinging it. That is possible. But I can make such a story from town perspective as well. Maybe he is blue and trying to stay in the shadows? Who knows? And I think his posting is open, I don't see an agenda. So I go with town. | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:10 darthfoley wrote: Also to build off what Skynx/disfo said, why is everyone letting Palmar actively not play the game without putting any pressure on him? I know he lives in Iceland. You go put a gun to his head. Probably the only way you can force him. Or at least the only way people haven't tried yet. | ||
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On June 15 2017 21:49 Koshi wrote: 1) is a mistake/thought a townie can make/have. I don't see the mafia motivation anyway. 2) why would a guy that has survived 12 lynches in a row make that comment? I also don't know why a guy who plays tryhard town would make that comment. But I think town makes more often yolo comments than mafia. 3) Again. Yolo town or calculated mafia? I think town. If he is mafia, he hasn't shown any mafia agenda. Just lacklusterness. Maybe he is a bit demotivated he rolled mafia and is now swinging it. That is possible. But I can make such a story from town perspective as well. Maybe he is blue and trying to stay in the shadows? Who knows? And I think his posting is open, I don't see an agenda. So I go with town. Dnu why. But I thought I was replying to Vivax here. | ||
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On June 15 2017 22:53 Skynx wrote: I mean there is gona be disagreements but for now if that 8-10 people work together mafia is gona have a tough time no matter what. So for the sake of argument, Vivax and you having same reads, you're prolly thinking in same pattern and both town I'm not a fan of killing afk/one posters D1, which i kinda supported when i first started playing. Mainly because if left alive, they feel the pressure and step up D2, either producing well content and joining town or slipping and getting lynched. Meanwhile D1 we actually lynch someone who has gave us some sort of information. All things considered, there is gotta be one mafia in annul/grack/fefe/ruxxar/xata. I'm reading Xata now. Very close to my list. Good stuff. As long as we ignore HF this game we might solve it. | ||
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On June 15 2017 23:51 Skynx wrote: Calling you town is a stretch I'll admit but you're here and doing work, in your own way. All the conversation you spark up might lead to something maybe who knows. Don't encourage him.He only leads to doom and despair. | ||
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On June 16 2017 01:05 ruXxar wrote: Tumbleweed just climbed up on my scum list. Things are getting clearer now. Tumblewood is not mafia because he wrote a weird townlist. | ||
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On June 16 2017 01:17 annul wrote: like isnt it interesting that 2/3 of the people who think i am red are the ones i directly called out before they post their red reads onto me No it really really isn't. | ||
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On June 16 2017 02:04 beentheredonethat wrote: This is the thing why I don't buy Koshi's "rage" by the way. Like, when you start a big sentence, people will remember the first and the last thing you said and not the whole rest. The structure used here is "I am obvious town", then blabla reasons "just because", followed up by "you're so fucking blind it's hilarious". Koshi shouldn't put emphasis on WHAT he is. He will always claim town, as anyone would, regardless of actual alignment. But instead, he yells "I AM TOWN", puts the reasoning (which is the IMPORTANT part) right between two seemingly emotional statements I have caught Koshi already as scum D1 and I'm fairly confident here. When I skimmed this morning he looked better but I just skimmed. so, yeah. my vote is good where it's at. lol | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:21 disformation wrote: bah too many ppl in this game. still lukewarm on koshi. keeping my vote for now so he comes back to post. what do you guys think about xatas big post? like if he wouldnt have said "So yeah, ruxxar/annul seem like our best bets today overall." right at the end it would be actually difficult to figure out what his conclusions are. though i dont mind the reads. do you guys think that is a post that looks more like his town meta? I'll pass. But you are back on my list. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:28 darthfoley wrote: i'm most okay with xatalos/annul right now. I guess i'd be fine with Eversince too, but as someone else said I feel like she's a vigi shot type target moreso than a lynch. Out of the three, I think she's the least likely to lead the town off track. i think ruXxar has started to look better. Not comfortable lynching Koshi day 1 either, he's stroking my ego so much and making me feel smart. Well you are actually the best player D1. No doubt. | ||
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ruXxar (3): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax There is at least 2 probably 3 mafia in these 9 players and I am pretty sure it isn't ruXxar. So 3 in 7. And I am pretty sure it isn't Vivax or fefe. So that's 3 in 5. Doesn't get easier than that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote: Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually Nha. Bad way to read me. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:38 Holyflare wrote: And that's the correct read people should absolutely have on me. People that don't and are 3p/mafia: ruxxar/koshi/skynx/xata(?)/some other people. All above are bad looking ppl You are so incredibly bad. | ||
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Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter? | ||
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The town drunk is town. | ||
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No tell me. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:44 disformation wrote: do i need to have anything on xata in my filter? Yes because you are voting him. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:45 disformation wrote: i kinda wanted to read annuls filter. want me to look at my filter before or after that? I want you to explain why you are sitting on me for the goddamn entirety of this day and now switch to somebody you haven't said anything about. That's just weird. Feels like you are placing your vote strategically and that is mafia. So fucking mafia. | ||
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Shit reason because there is a shitton of time. Why am I not mafia anymore? You vote for somebody you don't know exists over somebody you still think is mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:47 Skynx wrote: There is no way this annul train hitting mafia. So fishy that trio. Except for sicklucker they are all town. Believe it. | ||
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Holy fuck why did he vote Xatalos? Cuz there are 2 people on the train he thinks are town??? I am on the same train and he thinks I am mafia. And the timing is so suspect with annul gathering votes. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:50 disformation wrote: nah someone i dont know exists would be annul And you think that is making things better? | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: i can also vote annul if that would calm yo tit down WHAT ARE YOU DOING? | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:52 disformation wrote: but i would prefer to read his filter and decide if i want to vote him or not gogogo. Really weird that you swap votes without saying anything about me, the guy you scumread, to join him on a wagon you never commented on, to keep that wagon above another wagon that is on a guy you don't even read at all. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts? Welcome to 10 minutes ago. | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:56 disformation wrote: heavily implying i have a scum lean (should have posted that) too many ppl/posts to comment on everything Ok. Hmmmm. Fine. Go read annul :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 03:59 ruXxar wrote: That is some real weaksauce. What does the second quote even have to do with anything? He is trying to proof he had previous suspicion on Xatalos so his latest vote is justified. But the comment he made that he also could vote annul is still weird as fuck. And I still don't understand why he changed his vote now and not before. The only thing that changed is that Ruxxar stopped voting me and that annul gained votes. Which makes disformation his swap look like there is an agenda behind it. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:05 darthfoley wrote: A mafia is pushing that ruXxar is NOT mafia? No that he is mafia. Sry was not clear. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote: I'll tell you why we have 8 no votes. Scum team gets rolled marv says fuck this not again I'm not playing, mafia team gets super demotivated and tries to post a few things in the thread but is really disheartened and eventually stops posting too. Mafia team all afk. You are doing all their posting for them though. | ||
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5)disformation 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 18)annul 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince added disfo. Did the first thing I noticed that could be mafia agenda. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:19 Vivax wrote: I don't feel the annul lynch. I really don't see an argument flying around for his lynch either. His fire only burns when somebody calls him mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote: Feels like the game is being deflected off ES and Ruxxar onto annul/Xata. Koshi with the hipster reads. This is the game I'm feeling I'm currently in. I feel really confident on the ruxxar read though. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:28 ruXxar wrote: Do you still think xata is a better lynch than annul? Problem I now have with xata is that he left the thread with a listpost that had no direction in it. But he is coming back so let's wait on that I guess. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:27 disformation wrote: annul: i am not sure i share fefe's assessment that annul cares more about being scum read. i get more the vibe that he really thinks ruxxar is scum and is like "wtf are you not voting him harder". thing i dont like is that he only has posted 3 reads so far. 2 scumreads on ppl that are like fairly scumread already and the hf tr. Can you give us more? Go indepth on the read please. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:30 disformation wrote: one thing I agree on: if ruxxar is town he is prolly lynch bait and easy to push for maffay/3p Stop talking about 3p. As if 3p cares about lynches. | ||
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On June 16 2017 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: I had been sitting at the bar for a while now, drinking in the culture and folks of this establishment. Now on my sixth beer, things were starting to get a little hazy. As it approached night time the yelling and arguing had only gotten worse. I was starting to get a migraine from all the one liners. Then, someone was hailed over in the shadow of the bar. Stepping up onto the porch, a newcomer had showed up late to happy hour. Finding his friends in the back, he first strolled up to the counter and demanded weapons from the bartender, an odd request. The three ranch hands drinking next to me rushed out of the bar when they got a good look at him. The bartender went around the back and rummaged around as others were exiting from the back door of the bar. But it was a ruse.. the bartender and man looked up at each other laughing as he came back to the counter to pour him a drink. This place was starting to make some of the trendy themed bars back at home look palatable. I needed a lead. I glanced at my watch, a little under four hours until the real show started. I just needed to lay low until then and try to save an innocent life. The bad guys never did like to play in the light...so it looked like it was time to bring the light to them. "Any of you boys got a light?" + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Zippo-Slim-1968-Lit.jpg/260px-Zippo-Slim-1968-Lit.jpg) | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:00 disformation wrote: does that include voting stupid things? =D Yes. but it doesn't apply to you in that case. | ||
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Thank you God. I knew you were real. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:05 disformation wrote: hoshi: why xata over annul? - annul is annoying and sumg. Xata isn't. - annul pretends better than Xata that he is finding mafia. - probably meta - darthfoley | ||
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Koshi (3): Holyflare, annul (3): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast ruXxar (2): With Xatalos and annul being mafia these votes make sense. | ||
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hf same I guess. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:29 Holyflare wrote: If sicklucker is mafia xata is likely town because of sl's bs read. You don't call a team mate town for wrong reasons. you vote sicklucker for doing things but you don't think it is to save a teammate or w.e the fuck. Good analysis. | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:32 Vivax wrote: I'm really just fed up with everyone doing their own thing then a bunch of derpies coming in and hurr, yolo vote this yolo vote that and not care about trying to build up a bit of unity in the town. Or DF who thinks hes entitled to ask me questions but apparently doesn't want to read my filter and engage. So I'm just going to sheep HF, maybe rayn, maybe Palmar depending on who cares the most or something like that. As long as it looks like there's a train of ppl and not just a bunch of solitary ones in little bubbles. lol you are mad people don't listen to you while you don't listen to those people. funny | ||
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On June 16 2017 05:34 Vivax wrote: I listen to DF I pick apart his posts and comment on individual parts that interest me. I just don't have the same reads as him. I have commented a lot on your scumreads rexx and Ever. People think different things. From the active people everybody read what you said. | ||
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And the train on sl and annul is weird as fuck. I don't trust it. Rexxur is obvious town and was the second townwagon behind me and I am not voting him. If Vivax is mafia he pushed a lot of mafia agenda but realllllyyy don't think he is. HF is just lolz Xatalos wagon has never gotten any steam except for that superweird disfo vote. And a lot of pushing back. Vivax, HF, sicklucker etcetcetc | ||
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and looking at the Xatalos filter he is SUPER FUCKING EASY to vote on if he is town. What a fucking bad filter. So why isn't mafia doing that? | ||
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Well having a scummate as scumread is not a bad thing to have. Like... I don't know what you want me to say. They aren't voting each other and did annul go off against Xata like he did vs me and Rexx? | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:39 Holyflare wrote: also is sl pushing anything now? no he's lock mafia too with who? | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:44 Vivax wrote: Or annul, Or Ruxxar, Or SL Hmmm why are all mafias not voting together?? Just why annul is indeed also mafia. Ruxxar was set up to be the second town wagon. He had many votes knowing another town had 5. SL is afk and nobody votes for that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:48 sicklucker wrote: can we consolidate on annul koshi? I really dont want to have to vote xata over him if I get 1 more vote No. Vote with us and tomorrow I will give you my vote. I promise. I will be gone with my gf anyway. So it works out. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:50 annul wrote: lol koshi still on me because i made a sick read on him early in the phase You are as stupid as HF. 10 pages of filter and you people still think I am 3p. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:53 disformation wrote: kinda interesting that ppl are starting to vote to safe themselves when there is over an hour left and we have a fuckton of ppl that come in and randomly vote for ppl somewhat rich after your own vote. | ||
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Xatalos is not this. | ||
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On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote: not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice. i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. hilarious | ||
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And both hf and Vivax keep white knighting the guy. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:14 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I wish both Xatalos/Annul and HF a lot of success. I have done enough. Sry I couldn't help myself. kuddos to fefe for posting some replybait. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:20 Vivax wrote: I think Palmar and HF should be very sheepable for a D1. Worst case we lose town SL who barely posted any reads but is super sure annul has to be the mafia. There is confirmed mafia between Xatalos and annul. But it is fine. We should talk endgame on Steam or something. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote: Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL. EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely They are partners. Which has been said a million times. At least 1 is mafia. Most likely both. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:23 Holyflare wrote: nobody has countered the argument nobody HOLY SHIT SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING INCORRECT. THAT ALWAYS 100% OF THE TIME HITS MAFIA. WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW WHY IS MAFIA SO HARD GUISSSSS | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:26 annul wrote: are you all literally fucking blind how many times do i need to paste the logic they are all mafia bro | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:26 ruXxar wrote: The way I read the total situation its very unlikely that both xatalos and annul are scum together. Too much bussing day 1 and direct attacks on each other, before they even were under scrutiny. Xata had annul as top scum early in the day too. At least 1. Most likely 2. Definitely 2 if you had HF. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:28 disformation wrote: 6 no votes ffs It isn't important. It was a fun day regardless. | ||
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What do you make of Xata not fighting and annul fighting? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:30 disformation wrote: fair enough had a bunch of fun. would be happy if i was more confident with where i am rn. i can decide the lynch if i switch imo. I don't know where you are but vote either annul or xata pls. I am sure one of them is mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote: Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch. I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. You are a very very sexy man. HF is mafia with either annul or Xatalos. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:36 Fecalfeast wrote: Shenannie onto marv? 😇I'm only half joking nha. 0 posts is not his mafia style. He has some dignity and respect for the game. | ||
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annul is doing that. Who else? Sicklucker tried it on me. Any others? | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:38 darthfoley wrote: I can't read all this shit wtf is happening madness | ||
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Goddamn I hope you are town. You are incredible bad. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:39 Rels wrote: LOL. He got banned for replacing out after rolling scum in a game and the game got stopped. oh true. woops. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:40 sicklucker wrote: hf is trying to get votes off of annul as I said team. your trying pretty hard to get xata lynched over anyone else so I could say you as well Hmm I guess that is true. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:40 darthfoley wrote: I'm on my phone at the dining hall so idk what to think same. I am not voting sicklucker. But annul or xata? I don't know. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:43 Vivax wrote: I'm gonna find every single guy who ignored SL and said Xatalos is mafia cause ppl are not piling on him and call them mafia for the rest of the game with this votecount. I am starting to think you are mafia. lol. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote: This is going to make me look like garbage. I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL. I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. :D | ||
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Go vote Xatalos. You 3 can save him. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:48 darthfoley wrote: I think I'm staying zone xata. Force scum to make the move (or lack thereof). The end of the day has given lots of info. Let's see who comes in with the hammer, and onto who. Like Xata not defending himself if his scum mates are doing the leg work makes sense Maybe. Fact is if annul flips town Xatalos is confirmed mafia. Really confirmed confirmed. There is no way we were so wrong the entire day and there is this much action EoD :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:49 Holyflare wrote: I don't want to vote xata either, the dude is posting reads and I think he can give more Dnu. I don't see the sl vote. And you pissed me off too much today and Vivax can't be trusted. Palmar I could sheep but doesn't deserve it. I also believe Xata and Annul are mafia. | ||
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It's a good point unless her vote is needed :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:51 annul wrote: when i flip town, you are still mafia target #1 do not let mafia sway town onto xatalos because "he must be the other mafia" :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:52 Holyflare wrote: oh I wonder who was pushing vivax today but you ignored it all and called it a trash misconstruction and went away that was you No Vivax is town but he can't be trusted. | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:52 annul wrote: "Fact is if annul flips town Xatalos is confirmed mafia." "I also believe Xata and Annul are mafia." all from koshi in less than 2 minutes Don't forget for endgame that I was on mafia. And I made mafia show face. ---This comment was sponsered by the annul is town inc.--- | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:52 Holyflare wrote: this guy is 100% going to flip town and i refuse to save him looks like it | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't stay on this wagon with ruxx xata sl and grack sooo I'm gonna hop onto xata ohh boy............................ | ||
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On June 16 2017 07:59 annul wrote: i quit TL mafia years ago from frustration over constantly being day 1ed i guess it never fucking ends You did well friend. Xatalos is most likely mafia and you got fucked. | ||
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But I am pretty sure mafia had to show face and Xata is mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:09 Vivax wrote: yay finally someone else turning the spotlight to that slot the spotlight is on her :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:12 Xatalos wrote: Too bad. At least he wasn't a blue. Anyways I really need to sleep now for the workday. Good night! Yes. Please make no analysis of the fact a shitstorm of posts and weirdness happened to save you :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:14 disformation wrote: maybe would add tw. otherwise this looks excellent TW is still fine. Don't worry about him yet. The list is extremely decent. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:15 sicklucker wrote: im sure you always shoot xata for information rip +1 | ||
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:D :D :D :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:16 sicklucker wrote: to be fair tho I mostly drove the close lynch. and I know im town so from my perspective I dont think xata necessary has to be mafia. but I completely understand people who think he and I am from what happened I might think the same Well at least you can't complain about the fact you can't get lynches done. Congratz! You even got your lynch over me  | ||
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Amazing. Sadly I won't be there for tomorrow. Weekend will be busy. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:18 Holyflare wrote: koshi is without a doubt 3P I am not though. I am town. But I understand the confusion. | ||
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5)disformation 7)Tumblewood 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 20)sicklucker 22)Eversince So this is my list still. I am not yet putting HF in it. Weird I know. If Xatalos is town the 5 mafia are still in this list. I am somewhat tempted to take sl out :d | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:20 Vivax wrote: Exactly what I would say as mafia when a scummy teammate does something scummy to favour a townie over another in what could possibly have been a TvT wagon. Which seems likely to me now. maybe you are mafia though. Wasting your vote when somebody is being obvious town in the thread :D. | ||
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5)disformation 7)Tumblewood 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 22)Eversince I am taking sicklucker out. I don't think he is mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:27 sicklucker wrote: sir if you are town you have gone up a level in my book ty ty. I try my bestest. | ||
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I am guessing 5. With the double kp during N1. | ||
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16 vs 5 14 vs 5 after N1 13 vs 5 11 vs 5 N2 10 vs 5 9 vs 5 N3 8 vs 5 7 vs 5 N4 6 vs 5 5 vs 5 after N5 Makes sense. | ||
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On June 16 2017 08:37 Holyflare wrote: Quick do the math now to retroactively make your slip look good. :D Tis true. I admit it. | ||
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On June 16 2017 11:47 darthfoley wrote: You'd think Vivax, who spent all day bitching about how we didn't take his case in Eversince seriously enough, would actually participate in a legit wagon. Or vote the counter wagon to what's ES voted. Also really don't like HF being the last vote on Xata. Placed perfectly to not kill him while also not hammering the flipped Town. Couple that with the fact that he spent way too much time "trying to convince us to vote SL" when it was clearly coming down to annul vs. Xata. Eversince's vote is also complete garbage considering she cited HF as the only person to give her the lowdown of what was going on in the thread... then hammered the guy HF was white knighting (or defending if you want to be PC) without a care in the world. Vigi please blow Xata's brains out, but if you're feeling frisky, shoot ever since. I need to really study how the last hour went down when I'm rested tomorrow You are really an incredible player. :D Now I don't think both Vivax and HF are mafia like Ruxx is claiming. But one might be. But maybe not. | ||
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On June 16 2017 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why it is a good thing Xatalos was 2nd wagon? Alot depends on his alignment votewise. But if you think he is scum isnt it a BAD thing he was a second wagon and not 1st???? I cancelled some plans today so i can focus better on catching up after work. I insta-fell asleep yesterday when i got home.  lol Come on rayn. If he is mafia, and mafia had to show face, of course it is a good thing. Town can't win vs 5 mafia showing face to save a teammate on D1. Not when so many are afk and blind. If Xatalos is town, sure, this is way worse but still pretty awesome :D I hope somebody shoots him. | ||
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HF are you the mafia puppeteer or town siding with mafia with every post you make :D I am the most interested in that because it would be so incredible if you push mafia agenda like you are doing as mafia. That would really be quite amazing. I would respect that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 15:20 Holyflare wrote: I mean I thought fecal was switching to xata so I thought I could yolo hammer. Turns out he didn't. I also don't see what the problem with trying to get sl lynched is at all. I thought he was, and still think he is, mafia. His xata read is based entirely off xata scum reading rayn which xata doesn't even do. When told this and he saw annul being towny he was quite complacent just sitting still on the wagon. Also ruxxar how come you ignore my case on Eversince? I think it's an incredible case. Where did Eversince go now? Yes. I liked that vote a lot. But I also irrationally had the fear darthfoley had while coming to work :D I think SL is town. He cared too much. Yes. I know you have a story in your head that makes caring SL mafia SL. But I don't think so. | ||
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On June 16 2017 11:22 ruXxar wrote: After some reflection, I have 2 locked scum reads. Vivax. Holyflare. These two are 100% mafia and working together. Reading their filters from the last day and looking at their vote pattern made it obvious. Especially the way they ganged up on SL and lashed out on other people, while backing up each other's comments throughout. Please friend. Mafia never works together like that with no agenda. I think both also still have a better chance to be town over mafia. But remember this: "if at any point of the game Vivax stops playing like he did here, his mafia chances skyrocket" The mafia this game are not active players or players that draw attention to them. I have known and said this for a while now. Look at people like Xatalos, eversince, btdt, grack, marv his replacement. Do not look at people like HF, Vivax, disformation, sicklucker | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not bitching about anything. I found it weird it's a good thing xata was second wagon because a townie got lynched. So if you think xata is mafia it should imo be a bad thing he wasnt the 1st wagon... But maybe i am just bad at english. Of course that is less optimal. :D I would also have liked it more if Xatalos is town and annul flipped red. But that is not what happened. Potentially mafia showed a lot of face and I wasn't on the wrong wagon or wasted my vote. I am as happy as it can be. Like... The mafia team might be completely depressed atm. With players like Xatalos, Eversince, btdt and maybe even TW. They won a fight, but are fucked in this war :D | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote: I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. hahaha | ||
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On June 16 2017 16:39 Palmar wrote: I clicked darthfoley's filter. I don't like it much, and I would expect him to be a relatively easy townread if he was town. I think he is a good candidate for being mafia. pls Palmar. He is 100% certain town. I promise. | ||
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- First 5 got shot 5 times N1, once N2 as well due to veteran. Lynched mafia D1s - Then. Lynched D1. :D. Those guys were funny cuz I had 2/2 mafia in my top 3 list. - Then. Won lylo after finding, pushing and lynching mafia D1. Successfully docsaved 2 people on the way. This game is as good as solved as well. You can shoot me mafia :D | ||
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At the end of the game I was like "Really VA? Really??" | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: No dude VA has the "i dont give any fucks i do what i want" attitude. Hes town. No don't worry. He is playing differently this game. I was linking it back to HF. I really want to know what HF his alignment is. Could you maybe check it out later if you have time? It is one of the things I would like to know before I die. | ||
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Sry for getting marv his spot :D But hi! | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:10 Chezitwo wrote: No problem. I'm here to save you instead of the grumpy old brit. I have around 7 names that could be mafia. Find 3 that are not mafia and look for 1 more mafia hiding in the shadows. Also people are going to want to lynch you solely based on the fact marv potentially ragequitted :D so gl with that. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:10 Holyflare wrote: Voting your wagon and saying Eversince is mafia is mafia agenda? Nha the moment you said to lynch/murder sl over Xatalos and Eversince :D That would be a good example. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:17 Holyflare wrote: He only started playing when xata up for lynch. Afkd when he wasn't and then returned when it was. YUMYUM unflipped association. So tasty. n0mn0mn0mn0mn0mn0mn0m Problem is townies do completely retarded things and push mafia agenda unknowingly. It is the mafia who try to abuse that fact. And why do you skip lynching the mafia Xatalos in this story? Don't get me wrong, SL could be mafia, but you hardpushing sl for defending an unflipped player is hilarious. | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:36 Holyflare wrote: And now you're just going to post some nonsense about that only making sense if xata is mafia but it doesn't. Now he's pushing for xata to be flipped because of being a counter wagon. If he flips town then SL has killed 2 birds with 1 stone and looked good for being someone to push a lynch. If he's mafia then he saved his mafia partner. Both mafia SL worlds So you don't think this Xatalos is m33k as fuck? You townread the guy? | ||
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On June 16 2017 17:50 Holyflare wrote: Sl/xata/eversince/marvslut/xxxxxxx btdt has a good shot. He is quite angry. I think the mafia team is falling apart. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote: Basically anyone who argues Xata is scum is saying all mafia was on annul. Touche. btdt was on me. marv was not around. and yes the others showed face. At least 2 that is. Why you think I am this happy. Game is solved and I solved it quite quickly. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:15 ruXxar wrote: I'm very afraid for DF. He's very very likely to be a mafia kill tonight. He's basically 100% confirmed town in my eyes, and is very dangerous to the mafia. I really hope we can somehow make him live through the night somehow. What about poor Koshi? 😢 😭 😭 | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:33 Vivax wrote: This town has no leaders and is an amalgamate of godless heathens I know right! Big games are awesome. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:47 beentheredonethat wrote: I think you're trying to tilt me as I did in the newbie game but I won't hahahaha sure buddy. keep it up and people might believe you are genuine. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote: Put some work in and read the newbie game and gtfo Good good. There is a small chance people will believe you. Don't try to convince me though. That wont work anymore. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:14 beentheredonethat wrote: I like how you throw shit on me without hesitation. While you drop knowledge bombs like this one. Hey hey. I am calling you mafia. If I had any believe you could be town I would be calling you trash and then you could argue I throw shit on you without hesitation. | ||
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On June 16 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote: Bolded all the townies you're calling scum. So why has eversince become scum to you now just for EoD stuff? I don't think the posts were that much worse than what she already had posted before so the progression doesn't really make sense. And lul @ you dying tonight as mafia calling so many people out is risky as fuck. Especially if you can just be right on a soon to be bussed partner. Nha the big picture people are town. And he is town for sure... Why even bring it up. | ||
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On June 16 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Are you serious You spent D1 doing jack shit, then as soon as I am not in the thread you talk people off yourself, then go on to laugh at me for saying "oh wait, the town lynch was bad"? You're contributing exactly nothing, your reads are shit and you're not even pushing for them but you're a bystander laughing at people you're so going to be lynched D2 I was triggered here but I will back off some. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:33 darthfoley wrote: Also @ vivax btdt could well be mafia because he's become more and more blendy as the game has progressed. But he's not in my top 2 or 3 atm he is confirmed mafia. | ||
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Please gooby. Ignorance is bliss. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:41 Vivax wrote: Koshi is probably town though. I just really can't deal with the hipster reads he's producing by townreading Ruxxar and ES. I think he's horribly wrong on these two and his explanations don't sway me and are probably entirely based on association and he doesn't want to admit it. Yes. I might have been wrong on ES. | ||
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On June 16 2017 20:41 Vivax wrote: Koshi is probably town though. I just really can't deal with the hipster reads he's producing by townreading Ruxxar and ES. I think he's horribly wrong on these two and his explanations don't sway me and are probably entirely based on association and he doesn't want to admit it. But I never townread ES. I just wanted to go for real mafia and not a 50/50. But you potentially saw something I still don't see. | ||
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btdt against poor Koshi | ||
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On June 17 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi are you here? No. Probable gone for a long time. | ||
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7)Tumblewood 10)beentheredonethat 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 22)Eversince All mafia. | ||
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4)Rels 7)Tumblewood 10)beentheredonethat 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 22)Eversince Probably is Grack or Rels. I don't care who it is. | ||
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On June 17 2017 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote: Or it could also be 6 mafia 2 > 2 > 111111111111 Unfortunately won't know that for a while. Tricky game number. Nha 6 mafia is too many. Gives us only 3 ml. | ||
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On June 17 2017 03:07 sicklucker wrote: wow koshi might be the best mafia player on this site. him or hf 3 wins in a row confirmed. | ||
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On June 17 2017 02:08 Koshi wrote: 2)Holyflare 4)Rels 7)Tumblewood 10)beentheredonethat 12)Xatalos 13)AMG 14)marvellosity 15)Grackaroni 22)Eversince Probably is Grack or Rels. I don't care who it is. ez red: On June 16 2017 19:54 Koshi wrote: annoy btdt. The guy is 100% mafia. Told JAT exactly what to do: On June 16 2017 17:11 Koshi wrote: I have around 7 names that could be mafia. Find 3 that are not mafia and look for 1 more mafia hiding in the shadows. Also people are going to want to lynch you solely based on the fact marv potentially ragequitted :D so gl with that. | ||
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Goddamn I am fucking brilliant. Thank you for hosting. Really well balanced game (I am sad about the modkill though, just don't do it when it is this tightly balanced). I am going to read the endgame and the posts after later. But I am busy at work (month-end closing + Q2 reporting). And I am going to Gent today afternoon with gf and parents of my brothers wife from USA etc etc. | ||
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On July 05 2017 03:47 ruXxar wrote: Koshi: You are fucking god readmeister. It was insane how creepy it was with you reading my thoughts like an open book, I really wish you didn't die so early, I think you are super interesting to play with. I am a God. I am a readmeister. I am super. I am interesting. and I am insane. | ||
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But still... hosts did a very good job with this game. Just the modkill was unfortunate. | ||
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