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Tubesock
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On June 14 2017 13:38 Conversion wrote: I never outright SAID you were mafia, I was saying this is a theory in a realm of possibilities that I'm trying to see and understand, no matter how unlikely Semantics whatever. You're dodging my question. What did HF mean when he posted that? | ||
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Tubesock
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On June 14 2017 13:43 Conversion wrote: like yeah you listened to the dead blue.. congratulations? too bad lynching btdt was also a dead discussion if you can enlighten me as to what we really got on D3 that would be nice aside from figuring out btdt wasn't scum from the lynch flip He's saying that when he dies town discussion will die with him. So town needs to talk. So in order to do that we say we lynch btdt first. I don't think he really meant to lynch him first, but he did for sure wanting us talking about it and not lynching Ritoky till the end of the day. Pretty clever idea. The problem though was discussion died anyway as btdt was basically an auto lynch. Two things could have happened. 1) we lynched Ritoky. Then all signs would point to a dead couple of days because people probably would have said the same things about btdt that have been said all game. After we lynch Ritoky we'd probably have equally dead discussion while we lynch btdt anyway. Then we are in lylo with only a cycle to talk. 2) we lynch btdt. We will auto Ritoky BUT everyone knows we need to think about who is next so now we have two cycles to talk and EVERYONE is a question mark. It'll be so much more productive. So you scum me for going along with HF's play despite not understanding it. It was a super towny thing to do. Mafia wants quiet and little information. This was we have a chance of actually having an active town for two full cycles instead of one day one. | ||
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Tubesock
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On June 14 2017 13:44 Conversion wrote: like idk why you're pushing so hard on a case that's probably very unlikely. like you realize I'm not the only one who thinks you might be scum, right? like I'm just the one posting at this hour, or at all really That's why I'm talking to you cause pure here. I'll address the things PB says when he's around if he shows when I'm online too. | ||
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On June 14 2017 22:52 Prison Break wrote: We get 2 nightkills One now, then we lynch ritoky,. then another one I doubt the nightkills will be random.I'm not sure if we want to give out all our info for discussion as it may influence the nightkill Everyone should definitely be doing the work - but be careful with how many conclusions / lynch orders you drop You're wrong about not wanting to give out too much info. Towns best asset is being active. If we can influence the night kill we make mafia be reactive rather than proactive. But this is more a discussion for post game. | ||
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Tubesock
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On June 15 2017 09:17 Conversion wrote: can I get some thoughts on who the last scum is since we're autoing ritoky I kinda wanted to die bc I don't care about this game anymore  bye PBCould be anyone really. LS is freaking smart. He's always looking at how he plays. I can see a world where he realizes that he gets towned easier with the fewer and less concrete reads. Couple years ago he learned that people used his emotional state to town him. So then he went emo as mafia and won the game. But there's the nagging feeling that he would have to at least put in some work to line up miss lynches or something. Grack could be too. He was gone most of the great claim wars of XXVI and maybe his fight with Ritoky was staged. It looked pretty sincere the first few times I read it. You could be too. You post a lot about how you're new to this and not good or whatever so that will make our expectations a little lower. But you are quite active lately and that's super pro town. If you're mafia I kinda don't mind losing to you if my other two townies AFK for days. | ||
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Tubesock
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On June 15 2017 10:10 Grackaroni wrote: We're definitely killing Ritoky because it gives us a free night kill. To be honest I'm not all that enthused to spend a lot of time poring over filters when the person I spend a lot of time reading might not be here tomorrow, or I might not even be in the game anymore. So you're mafia then. Got it. | ||
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On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. I liked this post in spoilers for the most part. I thought towning HF so quick was reckless but he did look town enough. The Fidei read at the time was ok too. More in I read it as a null read. Fidei was a bit boring. Btdt started getting super nitpicky on Conversion which I didn't particularly like. His points on Grack, BH and TW I felt totally on point. And laughed cause Onegu is a coin flip. | ||
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Have I ever been able to read you? | ||
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On June 17 2017 08:22 Conversion wrote: not going to be around after day I am pretty sure I have food poisoning That's horrible. Sorry dude | ||
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On June 17 2017 10:22 LightningStrike wrote: Then why you called it a mindmeld then instead of saying "I like this post"? Also I think you tried to in the past? Let me reread some of your past games that I was in regarding the fact if you did tried to read me. Also yes that was all my questions. I called it a mind meld because I felt we viewed the world from similar viewpoints. For me "mind melding" is a little bit more than just liking a post. What's it mean to you? I'm pretty sure I've had you in the town pile most the game. But you can understand needing to look at you more carefully now. | ||
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Tubesock
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His Fidei vote could have been a reaction bus as PB pointed out. Also his Ritoky interactions were pretty weird. They didn't really push each other. Ritoky admitting that he always thinks LS is mafia ("what else is new?") and they lightly banter back and forth. Ritoky last second voting LS was a throw away and knew LS wasn't in danger. Plus if LS flipped later Ritoky could get town cred for little risk or vice versa. The way the game unfolded with Vivax faking and then Ritoky faking made it so that LS never had to push for any miss lynch. So that's easier for him to play like his last Generic game lacking any real conclusions. And the last two night kills do implicate him. Grack was thinking about going all in, PB was offering suspicion in his last will. | ||
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The only things I can really see in Conversions filter is he over explains a bit and he did have a post where he said there's three claims and ebwop'd it to *if we get. It was within 20 minutes of Ritokys cop claim even. Kinda hilarious if it's a slip. | ||
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I think you're more likely to flip mafia than Conversion. | ||
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On June 19 2017 20:15 Conversion wrote: sure that can be a scenario but I'm voting you because I read through filters and he seems less likely to flip mafia than you also I was asleep when you two were talking believe it or mot but being dehydrated and malnourished due to everything coming straight out of my body isn't a pleasant state to be awake in if I'm wrong so be it but considering my condition right now I can't really be bothered to argue. if you think I'm scum for it put your vote on me and LS can hammer who he thinks is mafia-- if your possibility of me being mafia is now higher due to my play His filter has nothing in it. No stances. Nothing. The two notable things was his argument with HF where he didn't see he was being trolled with scum not equaling mafia and he got mad and told him to STEP ON A LEGO FAGGIT. I don't remember if he even used an exclamation point. Least there's substance in my filter. You've made it clear you're not going to spend any time with the rest of the game so I don't think I'm going to waste my time. You're sick I don't even blame you. I should have played better (or not joined to be honest). This was lost days ago. | ||
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Tubesock
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On June 20 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote: I pretty sure now that it's tubesock based on several things: Current game stuff + Show Spoiler + First his interaction with TW On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? Kinda over explained the joke part to TW and over reacted to TW over the suppose joke. His treatment on Vivax seems a odd transmission from this post: On June 04 2017 07:00 Tubesock wrote: No way I'm lynching Vivax. to this post: On June 05 2017 07:15 Tubesock wrote: I kinda think Vivax just wants to be contrarian. V I don't think it's a leap to say BH may want to do nothing day one. Not many people enjoy the shitshow that day one is. So I have a difficult time scumming HF for saying BH is a coin flip. Everything else he says seems logical and towny. Plus if he's mafia HF is making things more difficult for himself. Was strange I mean why you thought he was town yet was contrarian at the same time? Then later he wanted to lynch him as shown in these two posts: On June 05 2017 07:43 Tubesock wrote: I'm contemplating a yolo vivax lynch. On June 05 2017 08:54 Tubesock wrote: Oh so now you guys want to kill Vivax with me. He said he didn't like some of his analyzes or his last reads which is odd because he was townreading Vivax earlier. Next: On June 06 2017 07:53 Tubesock wrote: Just in case: PB - too sloppy from his last mafia game. Conversion - he's trying for help and actually giving his thoughts. Too transparent for mafia. HF* He's just too dangerous as mafia to not distrust at least a little bit. In any case I'm not going to lynch him till like D4/5. Ritoky- I felt mindmelded + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2017 14:33 ritoky wrote: i think the town is something like; me, tube, vivax, hf; and tentatively conv and pb fidei has like....almost exact opposite reads of me. dunno what to think about that. reading LS mafia, what else is new for me. btdt has done nothing to change my opinion, still think he is probably mafia. tw doesn't make a whole lot of sense. defending grack for ???? defending grack from spooky ghosts pushing him???? missed joke early. says "mindmeld" then doesn't say what the mindmeld was. mafia pile. grack made a joke while being yelled at by BH, so he gets half a town point; but otherwise he hasn't done jack esp for a 2 page filter. actually i just looked at his filter and i take his half point back cuz he doesn't really have any posts pushing the game forward. BH has been disappointing. i expected RNG -> a play or snowball it into some reads. if that was it, he could be mafia. onegu...flip a coin. Tumblewood - Uncc'd Doc but I don't think I'd out myself if I were the real doc just yet. Onegu - started the successful shenany. It's certainly possible that he bussed for zero reason, but if he actually performs in the future, he's town. LS- I used to think I could read LS. While his reasoning is "weird" his reads are / used to be actually good if you disregarded what he said and zero'd on just the names. Mafias Most likely further down. Grackaroni - mostly ignored because I still think BH is mafia. Take away BH though, and I don't see anything towny. I think his fight with Ritoky is pure OMGUS. Blazinghand - at first I thought his jokes after the lynch made him town. His hyperawareness on how vote switching works (him telling Ritoky that if Ritoky jumped on the wagon after it was secured, it would have looked suspicious) tells me he is quite aware of his image. So, he's making sure everyone knows he's joking and trying to get us to like him. If he doesn't do anything next days we should kill him. beentheredonethat- I think "emotional" outbursts is a terrible reason to town someone. Vivax - I liked him until his weird shifts prior to the end of the day. His interaction with HF looked terrible. Never really give much reasons to townread ritoky outside of his mindmeld which is strange I would of thought he more reasons to read someone town other than just a mindmeld. Also he didn't really gave much of a read on me at the time too I would of figured he would of tried to read me. On June 10 2017 07:09 Tubesock wrote: I think mafia RB'd TW to mindfuck town. Then when town starts thinking why is HF alive, they can kill TW and then say well they had to kill the confirmed Doc so that's why HF is alive and he'd be alive for another night and can set up for his last partner. Potential TMI regarding TW how TW was roleblocked for certain reasons? Also he very little interactions with ritoky at all while the rest game he had more interactions with the game probably to avoid bussing him until ritoky claimed scum. Last scum game: + Show Spoiler + In Nutcracker his scummates were Tictock and Vivax his filter is here if you want to read his entire filter from that game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=Tubesock. But in that game he didn't really interact to much with Tictock or Vivax with 2 posts directed to Tictock himself while 0 to Vivax yet was pushing people off of lynching Vivax until he fake claimed a rolecop candy that town or scum could be given and bussed Vivax was first on the wagon. In his first reds post he didn't give much reasons why he was townreading others but gave some reasons why he was scumreading people here: On December 16 2015 22:09 Tubesock wrote: Towny Order Tubesock GlowingBear Koshi - had an entire post in CAPS LOCK. Ritoky Sukrit TicTock LightningStrike - 1/2 Koshitownness since his post was only 1/2 CAPS lock. Null/mafia not necessarily in order but kinda Shapelog Damdred Rels GiygaS Kushm4sta Vivax Shapelog I have the same suspicions everyone else does/did. I haven't really studied his filter to see what he's done after the heat was off him. Or what he did eod other than vote Kush. Damdred I read Damdred's filter solely because of the GB hammer. I didn't like the shenanies but I have seen Damdred do that multiple times as town. Damdred doesn't address GB or Kush at all in his filter and only mentions Vivax with T-4 minutes to EOD. I think he had about 2 reads. I think Rels is right taht he is disinterested in the game. I disagree that it is mafia motivated though. Damdred in my eyes is like Marv/Palmar/Holyflare/BH, if they are alive d4 it's because they are mafia. Rels There is a lot I don't like. I really dislike how he targeted LS and once LS went half caps lock Rels backed off. To me it looked like Rels was backing off from a fight which I don't think town Rels does. The next thing he does is finds out Onegu's smurf. I clicked the link, it was page 46 of a 134 page game. There's got to be some easy way to do that I can't really believe he went through the database to wade through games. Shit I went through LS games to see if he did the scum/town bold thing and that took forever. (0 instances of his scum games, 4 instances otherwise not counting this one). After he backs off LS, I vote him and he goes sort of after GiygaS. Later he cases Damdred then really dislikes me. So everyone of his attacks is against a lurker and OMGUS's. I think he opportunisticly exaggerates. The shockingly different games of LS, how he is my only scum read even though I clearly was suspicious of others earlier but I didn't use the magic X person is mafia (funny I never said that about him either just voted). I think he exaggerated Damdreds meta. Damdred doesn't always play the same. If he did then I would think the veterans here would say they read him well or immediately. I also feel like he knew GlowingBear would flip town. I also think this play is well within his mafia range. he was prettygood in the witch game I read. The big doubt is if Kushm4sta is mafia or town. I don't think Rels was trying very hard to save GB or kill Kushm4sta. if Kush is mafia then I think Rels has to be town. He was consistent that Kush is null while he said GB is carefree town. If Kush is town then Rels can easily be mafia. Easy. GiygaS I liked his Rels points. That's pretty much all he's done. Even rereading his filter I didn't see anything that jumps out in either direction. I liked that he didn't seem too phased during kusgate 2015. For the record I don't think anyone who read my filter would think I sheeped GiygaS on Rels. Did G reaffirm and add to things? Yes. Another Rels exaggeration. Kushm4sta knowing his alignment helps me think more about Rels. Associative reads BAD mmmkay. But he's done jackshit. I think I've read or played with him in 3 games. He was anti-town in all of them. I think copcheck/poe him later. Vivax has like 4 posts all "I'm sheeping Koshi". Even though he did give more reasons for his scumreads his townreads had 0 or little reasons. His last town game: + Show Spoiler + His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Tubesock He interacted with people more in that game throughout the game yes even with the scumteam there of Vivax,Koshi, ExO, SKynx with 3rd person players in Artanis/Rels, GB, Acroface he shown he wasn't afraid much to talk to anyone. Here is my case on Tubesock but unfornately I wont be much except on mobile till way past deadline if you got questions Conversion while I am away let me know. ##Vote Tubesock How did I overexplain my entrance joke? It was one sentence? You're really reaching here. My read flip was a direct reaction from Vivax and HF's discussion. I originally towned Vivax due to agreeing with stuff he said, then he started saying weird wrong things and I began scumming him. Why wouldn't my read in Vivax change after seeing what he was pushing eod 1? I already explained that I mindmelded with Ritoky that first day or so. I don't understand how a mindmeld isn't much of a reason to town someone... and lol about TMI. I was almost miss lynched last game for TMI and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to think mafia might keep a scummy looking claimer alive for a bit when they can RB forever. My last mafia game we "bussed" Vivax as a last resort and after a couple days of him doing absolutely nothing. So this is evidence that I would not bus my partner Day 1 while I had 2 other wagons to choose from and my partner was actually playing the game. I haven't avoided interacting with anyone this game. Unfortunately, due to my job I have irregular work hours and often they last for 12-16 hours at a time. This last two weeks I've been to South Korea, Texas and am now in BC Canada. So you're scumming me for not being able to get online not for anything I've done. And you haven't shown me anywhere where I've actively tried to read you. So you're making up another lie. | ||
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