[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia II

On May 10 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote:
LS is obviously scum.

HF is obviously my lover, and fuba i will marry

On May 10 2017 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Which TL mafia player is most likely to break out of prison?

On May 10 2017 22:28 darthfoley wrote:


Scum scum scummy

On May 10 2017 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
Why bother figuring it out? Just lynch them all.

On May 11 2017 00:31 Palmar wrote:

will you let me know when you do?

On May 11 2017 00:36 Prison Break wrote:


What's the "bad reason" you townread Rayn?

Do you still hold your reads on Rayn being town, and "LS is obvious scum", or were these joke reads? If so I'd like to know your thoughts now

On May 11 2017 04:39 Holyflare wrote:
There is no hf in this fight, rayn just posted a convincing case of why I'm town and you should sheep him. That is all.

On May 10 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:


Why have you taken fuba's secund post and changed his name to me? I never said this. You editing posts to try and look good?

On May 10 2017 17:06 Holyflare wrote:


"which one of my 0 elaborated reads are shit. Excluding the shittest one"

- raynpelikoneet 2017

All of them are shit. LS read is a piggyback on buddying palmar and copying what others have said. Palmar read is super buddy and you preface it with some bs love "let's work together friend!" damdred no context and fuba is the worst of all.

You then complain when people don't elaborate and have no form of elaboration

I can't see how it possibly doesn't make sense to you. Making any town reads with 0 elaboration or anything to keep you liable for it in the future is the easiest thing to do as mafia in the world.

On May 11 2017 05:22 Skynx wrote:

Then what do you make of this?

No matter what LS says I've seen him do this before as mafia.

I don't think in any case posting reads is bad. If they are bad reads you get pressured and explain them. If they are good reads you form a town circle, simple.

On May 11 2017 19:26 Vivax wrote:
Is skynx a mafia god or just mafia? He's confident AF into townreads on good scum players without the big posts that usually accompany them when he's town.

On May 11 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:
Can you point to posts in this game that are nitpicky ls?

On May 10 2017 17:06 Holyflare wrote:


"which one of my 0 elaborated reads are shit. Excluding the shittest one"

- raynpelikoneet 2017

All of them are shit. LS read is a piggyback on buddying palmar and copying what others have said. Palmar read is super buddy and you preface it with some bs love "let's work together friend!" damdred no context and fuba is the worst of all.

You then complain when people don't elaborate and have no form of elaboration

I can't see how it possibly doesn't make sense to you. Making any town reads with 0 elaboration or anything to keep you liable for it in the future is the easiest thing to do as mafia in the world.

On May 11 2017 04:47 Holyflare wrote:


When does posting a read and elaborating it become a fight?

I'd quite like you to actually post some conclusions of your own instead of just asking other people. Definitely seen you skate by like this before.

On May 11 2017 18:21 Holyflare wrote:


This is coming from the person that says people are only looking at surface level things? You're mischaracterising me digging for information as "only calling people that mafia read me mafia". Tumblewood has a case for me to be mafia, I call him out and he does some weird 180 into nothing. Why is he not voting me? I don't even think/know if he's actually calling me mafia and I want to know. About 90% of the time mafia call me mafia in games day 1 but don't want to lynch me. The 10% is grack.

You know how I find mafia? By asking them questions. Shocking revelation that I don't wildly call people mafia or town blindly.

On May 11 2017 20:27 Palmar wrote:

I said I wanted more Skynx, he's been underwhelming.

On May 11 2017 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS, find me some mafia and tell me why it's Tumblewood.

On May 11 2017 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
I have no idea what that means LS. Nothing he has said is bold.

On May 11 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
Please read game better. We've established I'm town now.

On May 11 2017 22:26 Holyflare wrote:
I think you've tried to force a meta read on me that doesn't make sense in this game and that could very likely come from mafia. None of the posts you quoted highlight anything near what I was like in that last game and you've not said anything else.

You tried to drag me into a fight between grac vs rayn vs holyflare that didn't exist and when I asked you to prove it you admitted that the fight didn't even exist with me in it. You're trying to copy your filter from last game with false fights and bad meta and it stinks LS.

On May 11 2017 22:29 Vivax wrote:


If you try to start shenannies you're mafia, if you don't, you're town. Good deal?

On May 11 2017 22:32 Vivax wrote:
I don't think you can say that skynx has been afk.

And I don't want to make a call on HF yet. I just want to make sure he doesn't mess around with the wagons at deadline

On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote:

You might be scum.

I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people.

On May 11 2017 22:35 Vivax wrote:


He has been active enough to be readable of sort, DF too.

Fuba would be afk enough not to be readable.

On May 11 2017 22:39 Vivax wrote:


That seems like a weak argument or could you tell me who HFs partners were ->from his filter<- if we lynched HF now and he flipped scum???

On May 12 2017 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
I was completely wrong about Tumblewood. Why has nobody called me out for that?

On May 12 2017 03:52 darthfoley wrote:


Why do you want to lynch HF? Linking games is a great way of pretending to case knowing that most of us are lazy assholes who won't actually ready his filter in another game. You claimed he was nitpicky but i kinda feel that's how rayn and hf are regardless of alignments. idk

Who else are you suspicious of outside of HF?

On May 12 2017 04:22 Prison Break wrote:
Quick look at the current votecount

The fact that there's not 1 big wagon means we've prob caught at least 1 or 2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes between multiple people so that it's less obvious as to who it is

If 1 townie received 2-3 votes + heat, you'd expect scum to push it harder and it to form 1 big wagon on them, but right now that's not happening so we may be on the right track

On May 12 2017 04:27 fuba wrote:

Did he sheep?

On May 12 2017 04:37 Skynx wrote:

What do you mean by acting bold? He has been very responsive to most of the stuff but not much else, just phrasing thoughts really.

On May 12 2017 04:41 fuba wrote:

He did mention that he'd sheep you, but he's still voting grack. I don't think it indicates anything.

On May 12 2017 04:44 Skynx wrote:

I did see that, but again i felt quite the opposite. TW's been mainly reactionary and his list is pretty dull. He hasn't been going after anyone necessarily although he's picking up on possibly scum indicating stuff.

On May 12 2017 04:51 LightningStrike wrote:

Let me recheck his filter because I might of judged it wrong at the time.

On May 12 2017 05:02 Skynx wrote:

How confident are you on HF?

My problem with this game is that trio made it impossible for me to vote on them for simple interaction based reasons and I'm yet to see a conclusive case.

Palmar and PB is town, fuba and sl is afk all day.

So that leaves df, you, damdy, vivax and tw.

I liked your approach to the game after reading your filter, you seem genuine and i feel like you are town.
Vivax's case on me wasn't good and I'm inclined to vote for him, just re-reading gracks reasons on him now.
DF i dunno really
damdy is bad
tw i can't really conclude anything.

This game is hard.

On May 12 2017 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I been trying to register for my fall semester since EoD that why I haven't been posting and quite honestly with how quickly the Damdred wagon formed it really wasn't a surprised that he flipped town and I really sad that I lynched him

Rayn berating the lynch was pure bullshit I will agree with HF there because Rayn would of got his lynch of choice if he stayed on DF and now he bitching people about the lynch and wont be bothered to play.
@DF: Town rainbows now? But seriously though do you think Rayn is scum art the moment based on his push on you?

On May 12 2017 08:05 darthfoley wrote:


I find his EoD play to be weird and illogical regardless of alignment. If either me or Damdred die we both flip town so it doesn't really matter which of us flip. I guess it makes sense from mafia POV if Dandre's flips town because then he can rage against the machine and say that we didn't listen to him. His vote on Vixax is dumb if he's town and really thinks I'm mafia, especially considering that Grack switched onto me.

I don't think his play D1 has had a town agenda or been convincingly wrong. I also think HF is solid town ATM so yea rayn is a scum read for me.

On May 12 2017 08:06 darthfoley wrote:
Also why would I have town rainbows now LS??

On May 12 2017 09:23 sicklucker wrote:
you never try to read me ls its really anoying . you mostly just sheep other people

On May 12 2017 14:50 Vivax wrote:


I don't think I've ever seen anyone confusing the two. Just from a psychological point of view it doesn't make sense, as bloated as it may sound. But two initials are really not vulnerable to typos. Unless they smoke some special herbs in turkey.

So yes I think the reason is simply that skynx put a bunch of bs reads out there.

On May 12 2017 22:42 Vivax wrote:


Why is rayn's post questionable?

On May 12 2017 23:24 darthfoley wrote:


Who do you think is scummy rn?

On May 12 2017 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
Lol. Ls is following what I say even. What has the world come to?

On May 12 2017 23:54 Vivax wrote:
It looks a bit sketchy that LS would lynch Damdred like that with his newfound duties and all tbh I thought the two were something like BFFs

On May 13 2017 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Tomorrow it might be time to bring out the thumbscrews for LS

On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.

On May 13 2017 00:50 Palmar wrote:

Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540

But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.

On May 13 2017 01:36 Prison Break wrote:
I'm having trouble catching up but I'll give my reads based on my vote analysis of day 1. I don't know people here so I can't make meta reads, so I'm going to make reads based on votes and on my own reference points of what scum does, since I found them to be universal across all sites, and while meta-based reads can be more accurate and detailled, there are some things that scum always does so I'm going to trust my ability to solve this game the way I usually do it. Either way, I haven't caught up yet, but I do have a few strong reads so far:

Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
Vivax (1) - raynpelikoneet
darthfoley (3) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Grackaroni
Damdred (4) - darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx
Skynx (1) - Vivax

Not voting (0) -

Damdred is the lynch!



According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment", combined with the fact that Damdred was the lynch and flipped town, I want to look at the people that were on the vote, that were also a possible target.

People on the vote: darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx

Alright let's look at the reasons why they voted

So darthfoley has 3 votes, and Damdred has 4 votes, so at this point it's likely both are town because if they were scum, scum could've pushed the others harder, which makes me think scum could be between the people with 1 or 2 votes.

Townread on darthfoley, based on this analysis

Both Holyflare and Skynx were late on the Damdred lynch, so both are suspicious. darthfoley was also on damdred, but if damdred was scum he could have switched to another target rather than having 2-3 scum pile on the same person. There's probably a townie with like 2 townvotes in there, so why not use 1-2 scum to pile onto it, which also gives additional momentum for others to join and to form a big wagon? This makes my townread on dartfoley stronger.

Holyflare very looks bad for coming in and dropping the vote, Skynx looks bad for dropping the final vote.

As for LightingStrike, I like LightingStrike. He looks town. He's been calling out Holyflare and pressuring him a long time. I can't see it being scum/scum. I can see it being LightningStrike town, Holyflare scum.

I also like how LightningStrike pushes Sicklurker as well, I think if sicklurker was town he had been the lynch day 1, like it seems scum is just trying to steer direction away from him everytime so he doesn't get lynched. Sicklurker also with the 180 on me, first he townreads me and says it's likely for people from other sites to scumread him (aka trying to get me to drop my case against him) - then he goes "he didn't re-evaluate, so he's scummy". I did re-evaluate, I just came to the same conclusion. The fact you townread me at first after I scumread you is already weird, but then your 180 on me is even weirder, only makes sense from a scum PoV

Posts from LightningStrike such as "why you guys trying to settle on to lynching low activity players? Why can't we lynch HF?" seem like actively trying to keep town into the good direction, where as scum you would want to keep town going after inactives (because, then you can just up your activity and join the hunt for inactives. it's an easy strategy for scum to bandwagon on town being bad and imploding, so trying to keep town in the right direction is major townpoints.)

Let's look at an earlier vote-count:

vote-count 3:

Holyflare (1) - LightningStrike
Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker
sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba
darthfoley (2) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
Skynx (1) - darthfoley

As to be seen here, if we assume there's 2 scum between (holyflare, sicklurker, skynx), then it makes sense that Damdred was the counterwagon to it. This vote-count does not prove anything, but like I said it's highly likely 1-2 scum were between these, and we know darthfoley-damdred aren't it, according to my reads.

I want to look more into Skynx before I give me opinion - does this site have an ISO fuction? Right now I'm going control f people's names but it's not the most effective way in the world, ugh.. Though Skynx pushed both sicklurker and holyflare so based on connections, it's likely that he's town or bussing, so I'm leaning Skynx on being town

I also want to look into Grackaroni as well, but sicklurker pushed him though, so prob not a team

We should kill Sicklurker and Holyflare 100%, will vote either of them

On May 13 2017 02:12 Prison Break wrote:
I thought you said you didn't like his day 1 + made a few posts about how he could be scum, like early this day

On May 13 2017 07:22 darthfoley wrote:
Hasn't the deadline passed by like 1h30?

On May 13 2017 11:58 Skynx wrote:
Who feels like having a drunk chat? I might give you our qt link...

On May 13 2017 20:45 Holyflare wrote:
Hey ls can you tell me why you lynched best friend damdred and then dropped every iota of scum read on me to dislike rayn?

On May 13 2017 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:

I want to say Palmar but it's because his Day 1 wasn't really the Day 1 I would expect from Palmar (Palmar is known to be very strong Day 1 player but falls off later in terms of his strength) and the fact he entertained about potentially sheeping me onto HF should be sort of a red flag for a person like him.

I agreed with your conclusion that's all.

His reentrance wasn't pretty meh and thought he would be higher chance of being scum than df at EoD I will be honest on that. I think it was two town wagons EoD seeing how EoD played out honestly.

On May 13 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:
So you're keeping me as a scum read for later despite agreeing with me?

Also you are the one that started the damdred wagon. You could have picked any single person. Can you point to what posts of damdred you saw that were scummy?

On May 13 2017 23:19 fuba wrote:
Does LS always ask suggestive questions about innocent/joke posts, or is it just repeatedly in this game?

On May 14 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
@rayn: admittedly i have been skimming your cases but why are vivax and palmar confirmed mafia

On May 14 2017 05:07 fuba wrote:

Should probably stop that.

On May 14 2017 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because LS is mafia. He jas been calling you and me scum all game and cant make up his mind. It doesnt bode well with him being town. He prolly has infuence which is scum qt.

On May 15 2017 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
what page does he berate you? i'm not reading 38 pages

On May 15 2017 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
but god damn was that game well hosted, it's sexy as fuck

On May 15 2017 04:02 Holyflare wrote:


this looks nothing like that game in the slightest, where's the rage?

On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

On May 15 2017 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
so what do you think of palmar calling him confirmed town?

On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:


I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this.

LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread?

On May 15 2017 05:25 Holyflare wrote:


how the flying fuck

On May 15 2017 05:27 Holyflare wrote:
so why put me as a scum lean and just admit you don't have a read on me?

On May 15 2017 05:31 Vivax wrote:


And no one else? That doesn't even count cause you just said you aren't scumreading HF.

Really?

Just take a wild guess for two more pls.

On May 15 2017 05:32 Holyflare wrote:


So I'm not a scum lean, I'm null but there's no other read than that? Isn't the read from rayn based on what I was saying all last night?

On May 15 2017 05:38 Vivax wrote:


who is your top town?

On May 16 2017 02:08 Vivax wrote:
LS can you translate this post of yours from yesterday?

On May 15 2017 05:43 LightningStrike wrote:

TW and you. TW is playing his town meta I think and you been trying to step it up a bit.

On May 16 2017 04:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm very close to going in to full troll mode.

On May 16 2017 04:58 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't know the game just feels like too much of a shit show and I don't know what is going on.

On May 16 2017 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
cool well see you in 48 hours then

On May 16 2017 09:18 Palmar wrote:
btw I'm starting to seriously think LS might be mafia

On May 16 2017 19:17 Vivax wrote:
By now Skynx is 100 % cop if you don't cc it HF. As you are pretty much the only person doubting it.

TWs cc is too convenient as he is the target.That would require a massive amount of luck from Skynx to fake cop check the cop of all people.

On May 17 2017 12:46 sicklucker wrote:
i dont even know why tumble would fake claim as mafia tho he was in a good spot..

somethings not right

On May 18 2017 06:27 Skynx wrote:
I mean i dunno I'm mainly lynching HF tomorrow cuz Palmar is green, I'll think about it tho

On May 11 2017 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS, find me some mafia and tell me why it's Tumblewood.

On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
+ Show Spoiler +

and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
+ Show Spoiler +

part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

On May 19 2017 03:31 Holyflare wrote:
Sl slipped

On May 19 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
I totes unclaim :D

On May 19 2017 05:41 Vivax wrote:


Mafia in this situation obviously avoids killing the doc as the fakeclaim starts into the day caught pants down so I pretended to not be doc. I was playing with the thought of letting HF play the fake doc until he stays alive for sufficient nights to end up being lynched. I also kept and still keep in mind that maybe he was just trying to get killed as to avoid being a mislynch.

But during the day I obviously have to claim.

On May 19 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
my claim was so sick why the fuck wouldn't you save skynx

On May 19 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
i want to kill sl

On May 19 2017 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
I dont get the logic of killing palmar first ls? he was the cop check framer or not

On May 19 2017 06:56 sicklucker wrote:
both ls and palmar voted two confirmed towns. and palmar looks bad for also trying ot lynch ryan and when that failed he tried to lynch holyflare lol.

Ls and palmar is a very likely world

On May 13 2017 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:

I want to say Palmar but it's because his Day 1 wasn't really the Day 1 I would expect from Palmar (Palmar is known to be very strong Day 1 player but falls off later in terms of his strength) and the fact he entertained about potentially sheeping me onto HF should be sort of a red flag for a person like him.

I agreed with your conclusion that's all.

His reentrance wasn't pretty meh and thought he would be higher chance of being scum than df at EoD I will be honest on that. I think it was two town wagons EoD seeing how EoD played out honestly.

On May 19 2017 07:01 LightningStrike wrote:
Also keep in mind I was afk EoD 2 so I couldn't change votes even if I did want to change votes.

On May 19 2017 07:30 sicklucker wrote:
like you would control the nk

On May 19 2017 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
SLIP

On May 11 2017 18:43 sicklucker wrote:
of course were not lynching ryan. but why arnt we lynching ls?

grack
ls or someone I cant read like df or dandred.

one of those guys GOTTA GO

On May 11 2017 18:48 sicklucker wrote:
well I dont think hes a very easy to read mafia so hes a great rng lynch, some solid day one stuff really that wont be the wrong play ever. Ls same thing but hes really awful here for his standards. Also he will never town read me for the entire game so thats another huge con to keep him around. for the sake of town you know

On May 19 2017 08:04 Vivax wrote:
SL will see the light he just awoke from his slumber and needs to regain his senses.
He really just needs to understand that HF or Palmar have to die today.
Technically HF and Palmar but one at a time. And he can't achieve that without voting with Grack and LS, and that means what for their alignment?

We don't necessarily need PBs vote.
HF going for Grack and him first should already ring all alarm bells tho. There's no way town HF still believes that Palmar is town at this point.

On May 19 2017 08:16 Vivax wrote:


Almost guaranteed given he didn't insta unclaim when the night was over. He forced the real medic, aka me, to claim. I'm not letting him run around with a confirmed town sign on his head and decide the lynch.
Grack did it correctly as he dropped the act instantly once he didn't die.

Worst that can happen today isn't even that he claims it again, it's that we don't get SL and PB to vote him or Palmar. If HF claims medic again we lynch him and he flips scum.

On May 19 2017 08:19 sicklucker wrote:


ya i set you up for a sick policy lynch day one. like those ever work

On May 19 2017 08:21 LightningStrike wrote:

Fair play on that.

On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks.

D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon.

N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia.

D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none.



And doesn't consolidate.

Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for.




Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia.

He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew.




LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads.

Lynch him after me.

On May 20 2017 23:31 sicklucker wrote:


explain how that makes anysense?

On May 20 2017 23:55 Holyflare wrote:
Also you cherry pick grack being confirmed town and then not confirmed town but now you say your poe contains pb when tw basically confirms him too in that world.

On May 20 2017 23:54 Holyflare wrote:


How the hell can you think only one of us is mafia but the guy trying to solve the game is the one instead of the guy pandering to emotions? None of that makes the slightest bit of sense.

If there's only one mafia between us then why do I spend my time trying to defend him when I just let him die and get confirmed town?

On May 20 2017 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
No, this is prime example of you leaving your options open like you have done with me all game while sheeping me too. Kill LS after me.

On May 21 2017 00:02 sicklucker wrote:


how am I ever mafia with holyflare? I know your not the sharpest tool in the shed but I just switched the lynch from palmar to hf

On May 21 2017 00:03 Holyflare wrote:


Yet you still keep him as a lynch option.

On May 20 2017 23:59 Holyflare wrote:
Outline your stance on palmar through each cycle.

On May 21 2017 00:06 Holyflare wrote:
Lynching palmar is a fallacy. You're basing this entire game off tw filter because nobody has a legitimate clue how to play mafia based on content. Only vivax has mentioned content related to palmar and it's not so bad.

The fact I'm a unanimous wagon with nobody defending me whereas palmar had at least 2 people defending him (myself and sl) should be evidence enough that I'm not mafia.

Where has palmar gone now I have the votes on me? Absolutely anywhere but here. Yet, you're encouraging more and more falsehoods my way to get me to be the majority wagon more.

That's bad lightningstrike and you know it.

On May 21 2017 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I proved using meta that Tumblewood doesn't separate his mafia buddies like you're saying he does. You should read my posts.

On May 21 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:


So you think I'd coach a player to change their meta to give away our whole mafia team???

I don't coach anybody in mafia chat.

On May 21 2017 00:11 Holyflare wrote:





Here are some damning posts to destroy your theory that myself and palmar has to be mafia together.

Also I'm glad you outline that you have no game based reasons to town read palmar but you're happy to vote me.

On May 21 2017 00:13 Holyflare wrote:
Are you kidding?

On May 21 2017 00:14 Holyflare wrote:
I've just destroyed your reason to make a scum read between palmar and myself and your argument is that I'd be bothered to coach Tumblewood to be awful at mafia?

On May 21 2017 00:19 Holyflare wrote:
You need to work on your stubbornness as mafia ls. This is like that game you got called out as being wrong/mafia and started insulting me. Pretty obvious.

On May 21 2017 00:19 LightningStrike wrote:

I wasn't insulting you at all I was just stating things.

On May 21 2017 00:21 Holyflare wrote:
No but it's the same. You're saying I'd coach Tumblewood to be awful at mafia because admitting I'm right about Tumblewood is against your win con.

On May 21 2017 01:13 Prison Break wrote:
I kind of think LS is scum now instead of HF

But no way we're not lynching HF after everyone wants him dead + he retracted being doc

So vivax being doc, palmar being green checked. If it's not grack then it must be LS + SL

On May 21 2017 05:03 Grackaroni wrote:
If LS is mafia he's already been bussed. At least from my perspective.

On May 21 2017 06:05 Palmar wrote:

you're not off the hook

On May 21 2017 06:09 Palmar wrote:
and tbh your day 2 vote looks the worst LS, you were randomly voted for a guy I told everyone was town and you were alone on that wagon.

I think I will enter the next day with the default view that you will be the lynch.

Go ahead and change my mind if you can.

On May 21 2017 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
why the hell cant I find out what tumbleweed fliped. goons dead so whats left a rb or a framer? a framer is obv palmar

On May 21 2017 07:08 sicklucker wrote:
shouldnt be hard all three remaining potential mafia (ls , grack , fb) didnt even want to vote hf

On May 21 2017 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:
Next lynch should be LS. If that fails we can figure things out from who's still left.

On May 11 2017 19:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke and I caught up. I think I want to lynch HF the more times I read his posts and him being very nitpicky he actually playing closer to his scum game that he played in the liquidmania qualifier game that I played with him and got mislynched Day 1 after playing mostly horrible Day 1 too. As scum Hf loves to be nitpicky on people as town he not very nitpicky at all. Sorry HF that you had to roll scum again vs me.
His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=Holyflare
My filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike
##Vote: Holyflare

On May 22 2017 02:11 Prison Break wrote:


While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are:

- palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself

- palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie

- HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day

I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here

On May 22 2017 02:38 Prison Break wrote:
The important question is if HF, TW and palmar are scum together: who would they frame?

Apparently not TW because of the red check. You'd assume they frame the same person every night for consistency' sake. So between HF and Palmar which one is the better frame?

On May 22 2017 02:54 Vivax wrote:


He did under the conditional that only always one of them is mafia and the other isn't. If we lynched HF and we were still alive he'd have an excuse to townread Palmar.



Meanwhile his first scum pool is exclusively composed of townies which all must be mafia according to him.

On May 22 2017 10:01 sicklucker wrote:
then why didnt you ask it...

On May 22 2017 11:25 sicklucker wrote:
oh ya that. I didnt decide to kill you over hf but I didnt really care. mostly for info

On May 24 2017 02:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Is nobody else considering PB scum?

On May 24 2017 03:01 Palmar wrote:

coolio, can you do it AFTER the game, and not DURING the game?

On May 24 2017 03:06 Palmar wrote:
yeah PB is not mafia.

Like if he is, he is outplaying you all by miles. Let me explain this:

On May 24 2017 03:08 sicklucker wrote:


more like you dont care who you lynch..

like I dont know what else to say from my eyes palmar is 100% mafia. he has no idea who to lynch just wants to lynch anyone. hf died for him. like this is a lock guys...

On May 24 2017 03:13 sicklucker wrote:


i barely ever lynch you please. i lynched you like once in that bell game over 2 years ago that ls seems to love bring up

On May 24 2017 03:12 Grackaroni wrote:
I'll sheep Palmar over LS, but PB's HF read looks weird to me. Even in the posts before his post where he justifies dropping his read I don't see any reason for him having a HF scum read in the first place.

On May 24 2017 03:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I try to lynch Palmar all the time. He's usually town but that doesn't ruin the fun.

On May 24 2017 03:16 sicklucker wrote:
ls you were never going to get lynched. why do you want to get lynched

On May 24 2017 03:17 sicklucker wrote:


if you lynch palmar next...

On May 24 2017 03:23 sicklucker wrote:
Ls we have to lynch palmar today you followig the logic? if im wrong you can lynch who you think is mafia in final 3. dont be shy of the big moments

On May 24 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
I think SL & PB both want me over LS.

On May 24 2017 04:32 Prison Break wrote:


Misrepresentation of what's happening. Read today. I wanted to lynch you or Grack,leaning you. sicklurker adviced me to vote grack. I said I would only go with it if no one wanted you. Which sicklurker assured me. Then palmar voted you, so sicklurkers statement that no one else wanted you, is false. Then I voted you. If anything, you OMGUS me.

On May 24 2017 04:05 Palmar wrote:
LS, can you explain, no matter how bad your explanation is, why you think I'm more likely to be mafia than Grack?

On May 23 2017 23:10 LightningStrike wrote:
I rather lynch Palmar over Grack but I don't like both of those lynches fo rmy stated reasons but if Ihad to choose PAlmar of Grack I rather lynch Palmar due to the possiblity he could of been framed. It would PB but only because he wasn't really suspected and thoguht be very townie yet he hasn't died before the claim stuff. I think this game is continueing because he knows he got this game in the pocket.

On May 24 2017 04:57 Prison Break wrote:
You act like I voted you because you suspected me - and act like I didn't want to lynch you prior to it at all

Now THAT is suspicious

On May 24 2017 04:58 Prison Break wrote:


And if you were scum with him, what stops you from telling him to spew you town?

You're an experienced player, so you could easily tell him to do this, and then you could use it to your advantage as you're doing now.

On May 24 2017 06:10 sicklucker wrote:
im so happy I bussed holyflare