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Is mafia KP factional or delivered? | ||
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Is there a reason why mafia not specifying a kp target or carrier results in a randomization? Especially with the given chance to no-kill, why doesn't it result in a no-kill?I mean it's like the mafia just forgot to do their thing and left their gun onto a table at their place. It's not like the gun would be shooting anyone on its own. Also when are we starting? | ||
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Mrfrrrr vrrrrr <3 | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with. What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion Grrrrrrlllllflll mrrrrgggllll!!!! ##vrtrrt Drglllll | ||
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On March 17 2017 07:59 DeepBlueSea89 wrote: Koshi is probably town by the way. Vrrrrr hrrr <3 | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:46 Xatalos wrote: No, that's mostly what I felt as well. Only disformation felt a bit out of place so far. Dunno about rayn yet since he only trolled for now. Damdred is my eternal suspect, but at least I don't see any good reason for lynching him at this point. I'll let you know when I have one  Grrrrrrr!! | ||
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On March 17 2017 22:56 DeepBlueSea89 wrote: Why Rayn town? He hasn't posted anything substantial? I have made 0 non-substantial posts except for this one. | ||
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First of all there is this: On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with. What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion Now the red part doesn't make any sense since the green part is the correct answer here. There is absolutely no reason to ask disformation WHAT he thinks of what Eden did. You either call him mafia for making something out of something NAI (which disformation didn't) or you realize it doesn't mean anything. If you want to ask something, you ask "why are you making something out of a thing that's completely not alignment indigative?". Basically what Damdred did is he gave disformation a question where every answer disformation can possibly give is wrong. And that's not what townies do. On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying. Also this is very much bs right here. He is either saying: - DBS is a suspect because he hasn't posted for 12 hrs (which is jsut bullshit), or - it's not actually alignment indicative (which makes the "read" bullshit) Second order of business is this post: On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote: I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways. My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time. ##ryanpelikoneet Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point. I have huge problems with the red parts in this post. Last game Malongo played he went straight to scumhunting. This game (which is also closer to his last scumgame here). The red flags are: - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them The same thing appears in Malongo's scumgame. He finds some NAI narrative that makes no sense at all and makes "reads" based on it. He isn't basically trying to find mafia. He is just talking nonsense. The third thing that sticks out to me is Xatalos. There are a couple of problems in his posting: - He thinks i am trolling (which he should know i never am), well not really trolling, he thought i wasn't saying anything when clearly i was in every single one of my posts - I don't see any sort of direction in his posting, basically i don't understand what he is doing - He has somehow come to a conclusion that everyone is scum/null reading me which is not true since only Malongo is "scum"reading me and Koshi is clearly townreading me Other than that: DBS is quite clearly town Koshi is town Calix is most likely just over-eager town I don't have any problems with disformation I don't have any problems with Darthfoley I don't have any problems with Tumblewood Onegu is his basic non-entity-self I somehow thought Eden could possibly be town for his opener but i am not sure why anymore. So idk about him. | ||
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On March 17 2017 23:47 disformation wrote: @rayn: why vote damdred over mal or xata, from your post it looks to me like your scum read on at least mal (maybe xata) would be stronger? It isn't. | ||
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On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense. | ||
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On March 17 2017 08:26 Damdred wrote: What is up with people putting words in people's mouths when they didn't say them? Can you answer this too? | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:09 Xatalos wrote: I don't really read roleplay-posts. I see them as encrypted messages. If it was something important, it would be said plainly. So most likely it's fluff. If it became important later, it would become decrypted at that time anyway. Sorry, rayn, I don't know what you were saying until your recent posts. I thought your Murloc posts were trolling and the Batman post maybe had some non-important reads hidden within (if it was important, it wouldn't be hidden to begin with). You seriously cannot think this is correct since i literally put either a <3 or a vote in my posts (other than the one what was talking about Malongo). I even colored the quote from Damdred's post. Like you can not pay attention to what i am actually saying but you literally cannot think i am not saying anything because you are too smart for that. Here is a question to you (and for everyone else): What would you think about if i made a post like this: "I think Koshi is a good town player and town in this game. Now you, [insert your name here], would you say Koshi is bad town or scum? Because you must think one or the other. You should know the right answer and btw i am not calling you scum here." | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote: You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. [...] guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/ There is no miscommunication in what i said. He literally just gave an answer to something and then pointed you to a question on that something where all the answers he "accepted from you" were wrong. Like there is necessarily nothing wrong in that, but the question is useless in the first place because he should already have a conclusion since he knows every answer you give will point into same direction. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:35 Koshi wrote: @rayn. I am liking Damdred atm. This is a good post. I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone. The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:36 Xatalos wrote: By the way, rayn, you said disfo had no problems. Isn't it a bit hard to just ignore him like that? He did basically make up things I never said and also acted very defensive/tense when just questioned. Those are at least slight problems in my eyes. I am not sure where he made up something, could you point me out to that? Being defensive/tense has nothing to do with alignment. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:51 Koshi wrote: No. I understand the doubting on the DBS read. DBS is more likely town than mafia, way more likely. But if he is mafia, he had it pretty easy so far. But there is no reason to doubt a townread on him atm. You jsut don't "doubt" something unless they do something scummy (which is not something DBS has done). Especially coming from Damdred who has a tendency to afk for large amount of times in games lately. It's just bs to even imply DBS could be mafia for that because it's never something that is associated with one's alignment. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:57 Koshi wrote: Not true. You have to factor in afkness. My best games have been when I made a list and constantly updated that list. If a person didn't post during a long period he automatically moves down the list. This way mafia players that had a good moment have to keep turning up and perform. If DBS doesn't post tonight. He falls low very fast. See your last conclusion is okay. Damdred's conclusion however is that DBS has already fallen on the list because he could be sleeping or working or whatever.... | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:03 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I think I have 90 minutes left and then I am gone for something like 27h30m at least. Like... I should be home for deadline but I could not be home. But normally I should have at least 30 minutes. Can't imagine us eating later than 22h00 my time. And very maybe this night when I am home on time. I should be. But I really want to go to bed early today. 00:00 latest. Shower now. Ask me stuff. Vote for Damdred or Malongo, i am 90% sure both are mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:10 Xatalos wrote: I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something. Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion? | ||
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Why did you pull something out of thin air? | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote: calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far? | ||
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6. Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face I mean yes man, that's what you get in (7) usually when you do (6). | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:26 disformation wrote: I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had. I am confused. This doesn't really answer my question. What do you mean by the "best thing i could come up with"? | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:39 Xatalos wrote: Ohhh. So you were talking about what Damdred might have been thinking of me? bingo! | ||
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I know it's annoying when host wants to be lazy and use a voting thread but it's not much effort from us to put votes here too. | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:26 Tumblewood wrote: ah yes I forgot that part where townies normally agree with me and like me! you are saying smart shit, sometimes, and actively hunting, mostly, but I have no evidence so I am still cautious Thats not what i asked. | ||
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- Vets are too hard to read at this point - People who rayn is calling scum i think are town How do you come to conclsuion i am leaning town? | ||
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On March 18 2017 01:56 Xatalos wrote: I'll refresh myself from the brainfuck for a while. I'll be back later tonight. Damdred will lynch you for this, beware! | ||
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I find it quite irritating he got out of her scumread on disformation and then has nothing to say about anything in thread. Like there LITERALLY has to be mafia posting in the thread even in case of Rels + Onegu being 2/3 scum. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:25 Calix wrote: [/spoiler]I don't like this post much. It basically feels like forced/fake aggro. Pushing a pool of players with any reason, no matter how (in)significant, just to push them. 1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. 3) As for the points on me... I'm not sure how not decrypting his roleplaying posts or "not having an agenda" are scummy things to do. I would think the scum team would be much more likely to do either of those. I assumed the votes were troll votes since they were unreasoned and accompanied by Murloc sounds. (Rayn: I must have missed Koshi town reading you. Not sure if it was before my post though. In any case, an exception doesn't overrule the general sentiment.) -> At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. I thought this post by Xatalos was really townie since his progression from "rayn's mafia" to "wait, not so sure" throughout the post seems genuine. [/QUOTE] Why? He called me scum after. | ||
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The point was if you're tunneling one person as mafia (which isn't unreasonable for a scum person to do) you don't focus on other people's posting. I know because i do that as mafia myself sometimes, well used to. And got caught for it. So it fits you being mafia (not saying you're mafia for it). | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:29 Calix wrote: The way the post was structured in terms of how he viewed you. So he has a general idea of how he views you, then he goes through your points and then expresses doubt. He didn't tailor his post to paint you as scum or revise the first few lines to fit his 'new' conclusion or anything like that. I think that's way more likely to come from town unless Xatalos consciously chose to structure his post that way as mafia. Yes, but he called me possible mafia after that. | ||
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I don't like this post much. It basically feels like forced/fake aggro. Pushing a pool of players with any reason, no matter how (in)significant, just to push them. IS completely untrue unless he explains how i am doing wht he says i am. | ||
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Things like "feels like forced/fake aggro", "just to push people for pushing them", "scummy tone", "this post is scummy", it doesn't make any sense" etc etc.. Those things do not mean anything unless you explain HOW the person is acting in such a way. Which is something Xatalos does not. Sure he comes to a "different" conclusion in the end but it still doesn't make any sense unexplained and i would like him to explain it. Because when not explained it's all just fluff. In a same way i could say "Calix is mafia because of scummy tone and one of her posts is scummy". Those can be scum traits but unless i tell people why, what's the point? | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:34 Calix wrote: I don't think that's relevant. I found that a really townie post. Not much more to say about it. I'm not expecting you to agree with my logic though. I just tend to pick up on individual posts. Going back to your earlier point, you're correct that I need to revise my reads. Having 3/4 of the scummers among Malongo/ Eden/ Rels/ Onegu is extremely unlikely which means I'm being too lenient with my town-reads. But I would still lynch among those four right now since none of them have town potential atm. Then at least vote for Malongo. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:38 Calix wrote: Eh, I don't agree. I feel like you sometimes conflate illogical posts/ actions with them being scummy when town are also illogical, say stupid shit, don't read properly, have preconceived biases, etc. So I don't see how Damdred asking a dumb question alone makes him mafia. You've made your point but it lacks that "this is how it helps mafia" point for me to find it persuasive. And I don't see how Xatalos saying that is mafia by itself either. Being wrong isn't a scum tell unless it's done to push some kind of agenda and I don't see that. I have never said Damdred asked a dumb question. I said Damdred asked a question that he should already know the answer to (in regards of what it makes of disformation's alignment). The question can never achieve anything because he should be able to make a judgement call on disfo's alignment even without the question. If i asked you "How old are you? Plz answer this is an alignment indigative question." that's basically the same thing Damdred did (except Damdred's question was worse because the possible answers he "gave out" were all wrong). Nothing you say can possibly help me figure out your alignment in case i am town. On March 18 2017 02:39 Tumblewood wrote: magic + Show Spoiler + the EXTREMELY ELABORATE thought process is basically that. "oh, hm rayn's pushing for info. that seems pretty reasonable, he might be town" also I stated vets were too hard to read when we were 4 hours into the game okay, makes sense. | ||
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On March 18 2017 02:38 Calix wrote: And I don't see how Xatalos saying that is mafia by itself either. Being wrong isn't a scum tell unless it's done to push some kind of agenda and I don't see that. The reason i thought Xatalos is mafia was because i felt like he should have understood i am actually playing the game when he was telling people i am trolling. Furthermore he tried to discredit me by "everyone is calling rayn scum/null" which wasn't the case at all, i couldn't find a reason other than "don't listen to him". I also couldn't understand what he was doing with disformation early on, and i now understand it better. Which lessens my scumread on him. I don't think he is town, he can very easily be scum, but he is definitely not even near to someone i would want to lynch atm. Damdred and Malongo are almost definitely scum both so we should lynch into them. | ||
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"I think Koshi is a good town player and town in this game. Now you, Calix, would you say Koshi is bad town or scum? Because you must think one or the other. You should know the right answer and btw i am not calling you scum here." What would you think about this? If i made a post like this what would you think? | ||
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Damdred asks a question where answers are: - disformation says bad town (wrong answer) - disformation says scum (wrong answer) - disformation says (NAI - wrong answer because "you sure have an opinion on that") Those are the only possible answers disformation can give. Now if every answer is wrong in the first place then Damdred should already have a conclusion or a lead on his alignment withouth the question. The only thing he can do with the answer is to call disformation out. Can you see why this is not a townie thought process? Later on he backs off. This is something that doesn't make him mafia but it makes sense as scum when me and Koshi are already calling him out of it. I don't see any substance in his other posting. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:04 Eden1892 wrote: Safari is unbelievably bad for keeping up with this game. What I'm getting at is that I do not see how my "Setup A" post (especially without clarifying what Setup A even refers to, since it's not in the OP) is "giving thread something to work with." Unless you believed me to be claiming a role and telling the thread, my initial post didn't convey anything meaningful. Hence my question. You would have to take my claim at face value for my opening post to mean anything. You think my opening post meant something, so you are therefore taking my claim at face value. Why? Youre beating a dead horse try something else plz. | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:11 Calix wrote: Why wouldn't he follow up on that if his intentions were to accuse disformation though? Because me and Koshi called him out. Following up on it would be disasterous most likely. If he is town why WOULDN'T he follow up if he saw something? Why does he accept the answer "NAI (what disformation said)" when he already thought "you MUST have a conclusion"? | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:20 Damdred wrote: Literally dis floats this in the thread right before I said Eden is nai. I ask for his opinion since obviously he must have one from this post. This post is independent of my post. There is literally no reason I shouldn't ask him for more explanation from this post. Though the post opened a chasm because there was a obvious miscommunication but that's beyond the point. See here is my point. If you though disformation implied he has an opinion you think is NAI why do you need to ask about it? If you for any reason needed to ask about it why did you later on accept the answer (from him) "NAI" as an answer because that was the point of asking the question in the first place? | ||
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On March 18 2017 03:33 Xatalos wrote: youre twisting the obvious conclusion here.rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these.... - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them 1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense? 2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action? All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence? | ||
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Damdred and Malongo are mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2017 08:00 Koshi wrote: Pff. I am going to bed. Alcohol seems to keep going up. Tomorrow big day for me. Wish me luck. we murder damdred or malongo. and it'sa gnnna be awesome. | ||
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What makes him scum is him trying pushing an agenda on disformation (aka. baiting him into saying something scummy instead of just scumreading him when every answer disformation can give is scummy in his eyes). Later on he lays it out as "misunderstanding" which is completely not what i am arguing about, as if it was a misunderstanding or not - at that time, it has nothing to do with why i am calling him mafia. + he is being unsmart. He really has no smart reads which is something Damdred is usually very easy to read for. | ||
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I am kinda waffling on Xatalos and Eden. I can't understand why Xatalos jsut calls me scum without actually calling me scum or even trying to interact me. Basically he is not touching my cases at all he just calls them bad and then says i can be scum for it but isn't sure (and again -- then does nothing with it). I am very sceptical he does that as town because it doesn't make any sense, especially for a player who is really interested in pushing a lynch on me if he thinks i am mafia. I can't understand why Eden townreads me because he shouldn't as per what he writes. | ||
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On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote: Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes. He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it. So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null. Like if Eden says this he literally must think my case is crap because my case on Malongo is based on something he found slightly townie. He doesn't think Damdred (who i am voting for) is mafia. Xatalos (who was and is my third scumread) is his top townread. Why am i town in Eden's eys? That's basically everything i have done in this game, called these three people out. | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:18 disformation wrote: @rayn what do you currently think about tw? Town. I especially like this set of posts: On March 17 2017 23:38 Tumblewood wrote: fuck that I'm sick of reads based on like 10 posts from someone who can easily look decent for as long as xata did when Damdred TRed him (and he wasn't that townie imo). it seemed like it should have been a throwaway read and then it wasn't On March 18 2017 00:40 Tumblewood wrote: brush it off or do that stupid "you're wrong but dw I won't scumread you" thing On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game He seems to be really believing in what he says. There is no reason to argue that as mafia because while it can be correct - or even if it was there is always the doubt of someone scumreading you for the "terrible read". There is basically no point arguing that if both you and Calix are town and if one of you is scum it's even worse lol. So the only conclusion i can come to is that he believes the read and that makes him town. | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:36 Onegu wrote: If you want reasons I will provide later but really dont know how you saw him as your top town read at one point... He's a good player and he can figure out townies for reasons that actually make people town. I didn't even need his explanation on the Koshi read i just instantly knew he has one and that he is town. | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:51 Onegu wrote: 1. Scum Lurk. 5. Koshi sees im Lurking 4.Im doing this and normally scum do this but im not scum. Yeah it doesn't make him scum because noone says that as scum. | ||
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On March 19 2017 02:55 Onegu wrote: Sure they do. It takes pressure off of them because you give bad answers to questions that arent asked yet so that they arent asked. I am sorry i lied a little. Yes, you do that. Noone else does. | ||
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You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact.. Actually this isn't as good as i first thought it looks. There are nothing but speculative reasons in mafia especially in D1 and i always push my reasoning as a fact regardless of alignment because i don't see why i (or anyone) should trust a read the person in themselves doesn't even look like balieving on. | ||
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- Replace into a game as mafia and use all the time you have to make a case on a confirmed town - Make a video post of your reads and say "the only other time i have done this as mafia is ..." Yeah, noone does those things as mafia. Except Onegu does. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:21 Eden1892 wrote: so wait, are you telling me that my heuristics are outdated and probably useless now due to a long break? Idk because i don't know what your heuristics are since i don't understand it. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:26 Xatalos wrote: I've made at least a couple of posts debunking your cases. no you havent. | ||
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What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. debunked? | ||
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1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet. What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. debunked? | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote: Please explain your Damdred case better then. I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want.... Damdred had an opinion of the Eden opening being NAI. Then he asked disformation something about it, when where every answer disformation can give leads to the same thing -> "scummy Damdred already thought "Eden's opener is NAI" (which is what he said), he also though "dismormation thinks something about it" which means whatever disformation says he thinks of it SHOULD lead to same conclusion for Damdred. - bad town ("no, it's NAI") - scum ("no it's NAI") - NAI ("but you already implied it means something?????") Basically he should have a conclusion (whatever one) even before the question (and answer). The question cannot help you figure out disformation's alignment better so the only reason for the question is to be active and talk about something completely useless. Like if i asked you "Xatalos do you prefer ice cream or ketchup better?" and implied "this is totally something that helps me figuring out your alignment" what would you think? Totes reasonable? | ||
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If someone says this: I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. ...they literally have to think both of the wagons are town otherwise this in itself doesn't make any fucking sense at all. So there it is, you didn't really debunk anything. | ||
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On March 19 2017 03:45 Xatalos wrote: I agree it's not the best question, but I don't agree it makes him scum. It was pretty much the only meaningful thing that had happened back then, so it's not unreasonable to ask someone for their opinion on that. Even if the original post doesn't tell much, someone's reaction to it might. It's not uncommon for myself to ask questions that may not be hugely important at the start to get something going. The problem is the post looks like it actually is something he finds relevant. It's not just some random throwaway question people can do at the start of the game. It's a very detailed question instead. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:03 Xatalos wrote: Did you have something else against Damdred other than that (debatably meaningful) question he asked at game start? Enlighten me. Normally Damdred has some good reads (or at least really townie thought processes on reads). I don't see any of it here. Like he usually feels happy(?) that he finds townreads and here it's just some random lists of some people and asking if people disagree... It's just... unsmart. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:15 darthfoley wrote: Wow! This really looks like your putting in the effort to lynch your #1 scum read! I'm impressed! I know! And i don't even try to look like i am! | ||
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That's some fucking twisted shit right there. Mafia 101 of "how to call someone scum without any reasons at all". | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:34 Calix wrote: If you think ritoky is mafia then feel free to debunk his case or explain how he's mafia using actual in-game information or something -.- stfu i don't need to do anything you tell me to. I care about being right and not what you can or cannot understand. | ||
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Why would i be from mafia scum? | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:21 Calix wrote: You literally posted on the forums that you play on MS and wanted to play with Regfan or something like that. If you're trying to accuse me of having extra info from being in a scum chat with Blue, you're not going to get very far. Okay that makes sense. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:21 Xatalos wrote: There wasn't a large difference in my urge to lynch either you or Malongo. Not going to put everything on the line for a riskier play without significant added chances of hitting scum (and possibly hitting a blue / potentially useful player - that means you). If we're talking about hypocrisy, you'd be a better example of that since you didn't really seem to mind Malongo being lynched even though Damdred was apparently your top scum.. See i am not calling people mafia for "hypocrisy". You were literally okay for switching into me or Tumble and then you said "even if Malongo is town rayn and Tumble are likely to be mafia" so in your mind you SHOULD think me and Tumble are both more likely to be mafia than Malongo is. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:25 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, a bit. But it wasn't a large difference. Malongo was a decent lynch anyway. On the other hand, you said multiple times that Damdred was sure scum, but didn't do much to get him lynched (outside repeating the stupid argument from his opening post a couple of times). So you were doing the same thing you're calling me scum for? Yeah i was always okay with Malongo lynch. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:33 Damdred wrote: For clarification data did switch to you to start shenanigans or try to but then switched back when nobody would move. So he halfway attempted to get you lynched rayn That's fucking bullshit. He hadd this "idea" in his head for fucking hours and he tries to do something like this in the last fucking 15 minutes?!?!!?!? Do you wanna guess what happens if he really tries to lynch me and i get lynched? Do you wanna guess in which "position" he puts himself if Malongo gets lynched and flips town? Talking about scum agenda right here... I totally forgot Tumble didn't want to switch to me so Tumble is 100000% town and Xata is now pushing two townies and has for the whole game. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote: Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you. If you can't understand the difference between: - "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons" - "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum" ..then i don't know what to say. | ||
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On March 20 2017 03:43 Xatalos wrote: I didn't have a confident scumread on any of you three. Malongo was a bit behind both of you, but it wasn't by much. And how couldn't he be scum with either of you? Because if i am mafia i never make cases like that on my scumbuddies. I just don't have to because noone will never understand me anyways so i am just hopping on some retarded things i don't actually believe make people mafia but other people will. Like ritoky's case on Eden is a super good example of this. "wow looks so good super duper fucking 100% townread on him" when actually there is nothing behind the case except for a touch on the surface. Tumble is never scum with me. Well Tumble is never scum, because if he was he would have been totally okay with lynching me (especailly if he was scum with Malongo). But i will stop responding now. I don't care. You're mafia. Try to lynch me, i guarantee you are lynched next because everyone can see how you're calling 2 townies mafia and doing nothing else. After either me or Tumble flip your D1 looks ridiculous. ^^ | ||
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So now they need to do something else and i am gonna watch veeeery closely. This is good because we have a cop, mafia needs to shoot me N2 and they get another check for sure. I am not gonna say who i jailed because it doesn't matter, i am just gonna say that if you're town Xatalos you just helped mafia to kill because for your retarded actions i changed my save from ritoky. So thank you for that, please don't be town. Now Koshi and Xatalos, try something else. | ||
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Because i don't like to be retard read. Now people actually have to listen to me, at least Koshi and Xatalos. I can't tell their alignment if they are allowed to call me scum and stupid idiots follow. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:13 Koshi wrote: Very well. Your play this game is pretty "shitty" though. Why the fuck is Damdred mafia? So is yours. You voted for the same dude i did. Now start scumhunting. And answering. Why did you vote for me when Eden was 100% more obviously mafia than i am after N1? | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:17 Koshi wrote: This is a good indicator why rayn is mafia. When he is town and he really found mafia. He keeps repeating his list of why that person is mafia. And when that person shows face aganin, he adds it to the list. But in this game, his list doesn't grow, it just stays the same while his mafia target keeps doing things. That is not true and you should know it. When i have a strong opinion on something that makes someone mafia i don't care about what they post anymore because, well, i just don't care. Because 10 townie things don't make up for 1 very very scummy thing. I also hate arguing with mafia because it's annoying, i get mad, and people will not listen to me anyways. You have literally jsut seen a game where i had the same sort of read (or how strong it was) and never did anything about it after the early game because everything else in the game was boring as fuck. And you can't somehow make the conclusion that i could be town here too? This smells like bullshit Koshi. When did you start thinking Damdred is town? | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:18 darthfoley wrote: rayn being jk means that someone who's being pretty town read is mafia, unless the afk duo of Rels and Onegu are the dream team lol I don't think a mafia team with Onegu shoots ritoky regardless of Eden's alignment. Well, i might be wrong here, we'll see what Onegu does now when he can't call his scumreads scum anymore. | ||
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On March 20 2017 05:41 Koshi wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? We fucking followed your lynch. We hit town. Now you are mad that we are not listening to logic? Also you and Xatalos want to explain this because literally noone did call Malongo mafia for the reasons i did, people argued he is mafia for different reasons but somehow both of you and Xatalos want to paint it as "rayn lead the lynch on Malongo" which is by default wrong. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:25 Koshi wrote: I thought Damdred was possible town since he made some emo post on how people don't give him enough credit on his reads. While those reads didn't even flip yet. Which is that post? | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you and Xatalos want to explain this because literally noone did call Malongo mafia for the reasons i did, people argued he is mafia for different reasons but somehow both of you and Xatalos want to paint it as "rayn lead the lynch on Malongo" which is by default wrong. Like you cannot simultaneously say "rayn's reasoning for Malongo being mafia was terrible" and "people lynched Malongo for their own reasons or inactivity or whatever shit" and then come to a conclusion that "rayn lead the lynch on Malongo." It is jsut not correct and a huuuuuge fucking twist of events that have happened in this game because i wasn't leading any lynch, very clearly seen from my D1. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:29 Koshi wrote: No I am not doing that there at all. I am calling out your bullshit that we don't want to listen to logic while we lynched who you wanted. You can't say 'this time sucks and don't want to listen to logic" while we fucking lynched who you wanted. So yeah your conclusion is that whatever i did was wrong and made me mafia. Because i never faulted anyone for voting for Malongo and noone else has been lynched in this game. Good job. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:40 Tumblewood wrote: also - why is eden suddenly 10000% scum? is it because rit cased him and then rit died? Why the fuck would ritoky die otherwise? That's the only thing he has said in the game. Unless you wanna argue Damdred is mafia because Damdred would shoot ritoky for sure. | ||
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On March 20 2017 08:56 Tumblewood wrote: xata is in an obv town v town shitty tunnel argument with rayn, and also looked real good at EoD. calix has been townie all game - genuine, reactive, assertive, good tone - and you were very town during the night. I admit I like people who defend me for the reasons I'd defend me. I think I had other reasons but I don't remember them anymore. Explain why Xatalos looked really good during the EoD? | ||
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On March 20 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote: levelheaded, inquisitive, had opinions, etc. you would have gotten a better response if you had asked me at EoD So you think being "level-headed" and waffling on three townies "ugh who to lynch shit idk" is very townie? | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:59 Koshi wrote: Calix DBS rayn darth Xata Damdred Tumblewood disfo Rels Eden1892 Onegu Malongo Something like this. ##unvote ##vote Malongo Where i am your top 3 townread. Now how does this make any sense at all Koshi? | ||
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On March 20 2017 09:38 Koshi wrote: Anyway. I am out. You said it would be the last question but you follow it up with something completely wrong once again. Make a compilation. And don't ask me questions you don't even understand yourself. That just wastes both our times. I don't even understand where you are going with this Damdred shit. I made it clear to you that I didn't believe in the Damdred lynch after 24h in this game. I never returned to believing Damdred was mafia. We flipped Malongo, he was VT. You still were going on about Damdred even though a lot happened and you refused to upgrade your read with new information. I found that odd. I thought you were mafia for it. But you probably aren't. What is the problem? The problem is your filter suggests (from N1 and D2) you should have scumread me at the time of the post i quoted for you yet i am your top 3 townread at that time. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:31 Xatalos wrote: Tumble or rayn are probably not good lynches today. Why do you not scumread Tumble anymore? | ||
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On March 20 2017 02:31 disformation wrote: Oh wow. I think without ritoky's explanation of Eden's plan, I wouldnt have even understood the plan. Like put me at: "wat" Don't think that is a very town way to think about stuff, especially since nothing happened with the plan. Think I'll put Eden at the bottom of my list and ritoky somewhere in town land. On March 20 2017 04:01 disformation wrote: eden is probably scum. rels is null > scum lean. oneg null. darthfoley town lean. On March 20 2017 04:03 disformation wrote: koshi town lean. rayn town lean. if you want that ordered: [town] rayn / df koshi 1eg rels eden [scum] Then comes D2. Ritoky dies: On March 20 2017 06:43 disformation wrote: wait wat? Oo didnt see that one coming Mhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm????????? | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:11 Xatalos wrote: Better not to if the scumteam didn't get it. Better yes because you calling me mafia if fucking bullshit if you believe there is another blue "claim" somewhere there. | ||
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Yo uthink there is another blue out there, i have not been counter-claimed, yet you fuckign spend all the time in the world telling people how "rayn is fakeclaiming and this is actually an all vanilla setup yo hey listen to me on this" without EVENCONSIDERING you could be wrong when i never ever fucking shoot even near ritoky if i am mafia with or without Eden. | ||
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- They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense. What Xatalos does: - "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely." - "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu) - "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all) - "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???) - "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!" Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! scummyscumscum | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:27 Xatalos wrote: I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain. I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no? | ||
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As for rayn, I'd still like the explanation for why those posts = mafia disformation. It depends of if he is talking about the night kill or the pre-emptive daypost. If it's the former he is always mafia because he thought ritoky's case was super good and Eden is scummy so there should be no "wow why did mafia shoot ritoky????", never. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:43 Xatalos wrote: Am I voting for you in your reality? Or listing you as a lynch candidate for that matter? What a fucking comment once again.... I will counter with this: Am i considering Malongo mafia? Do i consider Damdred as lynch target rn? You can't be fucking serious?!?!?!? | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:48 Xatalos wrote: Did you miss where I said that you're more likely town than several others in the game? It's not like I'd shoot YOU if I had a gun. Just considering the chances of you being scum. If you're a vigilante you better claim now because if you're not i will call you mafia for the rest of the game regardless of what happens. | ||
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On March 20 2017 22:50 Calix wrote: Not the best person to ask since I don't like NKA that much and I'm not good at it but: 1. As part of some weird, TL-tier bussing strategy where you swoop in and take the cred for pushing ritoky's scum-read? 2. Framing? I don't consider these reasons to be particularly strong since I've never seen anyone kill a player to frame someone on this site. And I don't see why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread. It doesn't necessarily 'clear' you by NKA standards alone since there are multiple mafia members left but I do not see why you would have chosen to kill ritoky. See Xatalos, here is a very simple explanation. It took like 5 minutes for Calix to come to an absolutely correct conclusion. Then when you go further, (1) i don't bus and as you said later it doesn't make any sense because this assumes Eden dies 100% and then what... Town has 2 mislynches. Do you think i ever survive the game? "yeah sure the JK is alive for like 100 days after claiming". What a joke strategy. (2) Completely correct here: "why you, specifically, would kill ritoky since you scum-read him, he town-read you and mafia aren't usually fans of killing their scum-reads and reducing support for them in the thread". YEAH WHY WOULD I? Furthermore from the vets, ritoky and Damdred townread me, Xatalos and Koshi scumread me. If i am mafia this is always an all vanilla setup. Why do i kill hte fucking dude who defends me EVEN if i call him scum? :D :D :D Yes, wow, very much sense make!! Somehow it took like 10 hours (and half the game telling) Xatalos this is actually a VERY BIG possibility of being the case here. The dude is set on a conclusion and only tries to find evidence to support his conclusion, not looking at the evidence and what it actually means. | ||
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And if i am not mafia there is always 0% possibility i shoot ritoky because i DON'T HAVE TO, it's a retarded shot if i am mafia and Eden is town. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:22 AMG wrote: Thankyou, Muchly. In your reality, how likely is Damdred on his team? I really do not like Damdreds day 1 actions, specifically his voting and the 'cases' on his votes. Ill mull over both of them being scum while I sleep. Back in 9 hours. I am not sure. I have to reread Damdred since i have extremely mixed feelings about him. I don't see why they couldn't be scum together. | ||
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On March 20 2017 21:43 AMG wrote: I've made this post before as town. He really wanted to lynch Calix, which is stupid, but he wants what he wants. That's not on the cards from what I gather up to page 22. So he justifies where he did leave his vote in the end, Damdred, as he believes that even his second choice for the day was a better option than where the lynch ended up going. Hes saying "right well you guys fucked up by not listening to me, and now that you've gone and dun fucked up, listen to me more in the future.... and kill who i want to kill". Looks like a townie who wants to flip his scum reads to me. How do you come to this conclusion because Eden didn't say he even thinks Damdred is mafia. He said he "doesn't see a reason why Damdred couldn't be mafia". | ||
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On March 21 2017 14:27 AMG wrote: The lynch was entirely up in the air on day start, Ritoky flipped and then this wagon generated steam at lightning pace. This is not true at all. | ||
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On March 21 2017 19:17 disformation wrote: @rayn do you have an opinion on agm yet? Yes. | ||
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On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
Furthermore there are two other things. Basically this game the way Xatalos has acted towards me in a competely unreasonable manner. When i first made my case on Damdred (and Malongo - but mostly on Damdred) on D1, he doesn't even try to understand where i am coming from. It's very clearly seen from his responses he didn't (1) get what i was saying and (2) didn't even try to understand what i am saying, he jsut trashed on the read for no real reason. Same trend continues on D2. Like now he is at least acting in a manner he sees me most likely town. Why is he still jsut trashing me and not even TRYING to communicate with me in any reasonable manner? It doesn't matter if i call him mafia, look at for example Koshi - Koshi is not calling me scum, Koshi is not trashing me all the time when i am not even in thread. Xatalos on the other hand is. Koshi is letting me do my thing. There is a huge difference between those two and i don't understand why Xatalos as town would act like that especially now on D2 if he was town. It doesn't make any sense because he has to know i can be an asset to the town. He isn't trying to even communicate, he just discredits. | ||
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On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote: The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons: This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone I remember the same dude said my reasoning is bad but that's literally my reasoning, just in different words. | ||
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On March 21 2017 22:49 Onegu wrote: Would like to point out after I point out rayn and koshi not scum reading me they scum read me. Play the game if you're town. You're fucking useless and more mafia than mafia is even if you are town rn. | ||
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On March 21 2017 22:52 AMG wrote: Hes hasn't taken to making friends with me. In fact hes done a great job of shitting on every thought I've put into the thread so far. As I've already said in my previous interaction with him, I really do not think day 2 has panned out as everyone seems to think, being : Scum Eden shot Ritoky to save his life and get him off his case... only to go completely AFK and the town collectively wanders up and dumps their vote on AFK scum Eden while the team do very little/nothing to try to persuade it onto someone contributing equally as much... Onegu.. my slot up to that point.. there were options. Rather than entertain the idea that Eden might be town, hes adamant that scum are gifting us this one as a bus. For what. For town credit? what town credit is there to be had from being on Eden wagon even if he flips scum? (almost..) everyone seems to be in agreeance here that Eden is scum so the "town credit" is next to nil. The thing with Eden here is that it's possibly not what mafia expected. I was hard-defending Eden during the night. If i am still hard-defending Eden during the day is it better ritoky is dead or not? Also look at how the day started, there were no votes on Eden, there was this retarded wagon on me instead. I was the one who (by claiming) constructed the wagon on Eden. If Eden is town, why does mafia not wagon Eden in the first place? Also it's not like it's 100% certain Eden has said "well guys i will afk for D2", there might be more to that because people don't tend to 100% afk unless something comes up in irl, or if they are caught as mafia and no chance of surviving. | ||
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There was a counter-wagon on me (bigger than Eden). There STILL is a counter-wagon on disformation for idk what fucking reason. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:22 Calix wrote: This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that Holy fuck what a fucking bunch of bull-fucking-shit.... OH MY FUCKING GOD. | ||
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I am almost gonna say i will never read anything Calix posts and she is town but i am not 100% sure if that's a retarded town post or mafia post. | ||
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On March 20 2017 06:21 Xatalos wrote: Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town. SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS BULLSHIT!!?!?!?!? | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:05 AMG wrote: Im surprised you even felt the need to claim. Rayn of old would have just barked at the thread until making it unreadable. Eden and yourself were going vote for vote, you hit 3 after Calix jumped on, but Eden had already accumulated 2 votes courtesy of Damdred and disinfo. Then you claimed and it all shifted to Eden. In the world I live in, where you're both town, you made yourself untouchable, and they defaulted onto the next best option, an AFKer who'd already got a few votes. I know but i literally don't care often times anymore. But in the last couple of years i have been lynched for like eight times, a couple of them i totally deserved, one was retarded game overall and the last five times i have only called out mafia. I quit for a couple of times already because of that (amongst other things). When the game of logical deduction doesn't include logic anymore i don't really find much fun in it, except for if i am right or not. I decided i wanna have presence for the longest amount of time since i don't usually do as well in obs/following than i do in-game. And Koshi was being a dick and switching his "lynch rayn D3" into D2 (srsly Koshi that's super fucking annoying and the only times you have lynched me i have ONLY FUCKING VOTED FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME). | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:28 AMG wrote: Post 369 Just feels.... off. He thinks you're showing forced/fake agression, calls all your cases unconvincing and weak, and finishes it off with "At first I was half-convinced rayn was scum, but now I'm not sure again. If someone I was "half-convinced" was scum started pulling that crap in my eyes, id probably find myself more convinced they're scum. Ahahahahah i didn't even see that earlier. | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:35 AMG wrote: There's no love in that world either, trust me. I have spent a large portion of my mafia career being so right it friggen hurts and being unable to convince people of what I can see plain as day. Being right in this game is absolutely only half the battle. Yeah but yelling to people here also made me annoyed irl so i figured i just leave it out. But plain logic doesn't work, so that made me annoyed too. Then i just stopped caring. | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:46 Onegu wrote: This post fwiw. Also I believe the back in forth with him about he knows what I know and I know he knows was him confirming it to me... Well he is not a vigilante for sure. Why would he "confirm" you (who he doesn't exactly townread) that he is blue? | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote: Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic" yes. | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote: The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip". Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion). So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets. + Show Spoiler + I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed. Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town. | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:10 Calix wrote: Another day, another shit-fight between rayn and Xatalos. Good to see I haven't missed anything  Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case? | ||
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On March 21 2017 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS BULLSHIT!!?!?!?!? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:14 Xatalos wrote: Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?). That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there. So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say. No hard feelings. You just made a post that said "i am bad at mafia if i am town this game". | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay then why did you scumread me, because i was one of your top townreads before that post and after that suddenly i was mafia in your filter? So if it's not that then what it is? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:18 Xatalos wrote: That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points. It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:22 Calix wrote: You're being incredibly annoying here. I never said I scum-read you for that post, rayn. I literally said "Xatalos made a good point" which isn't synonymous. Fucking hell. Yet after that post you quoted and answered with a "good point" response you started calling me mafia. So why did you start calling me mafia if it's not that post? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:22 Xatalos wrote: I don't think Calix put you to scum based on that note. She just said it was better than my pre-flip stuff I was talking previously. Here is exactly what is fucking wrong with you in this game..... | ||
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On March 20 2017 04:56 Calix wrote: You should probably lay off the meta reads. Correct me if I am wrong but you two haven't played together since...2014? 2015? Your meta tells are probably outdated if I'm right. I'm starting to think that the townie-looking people who aren't really DOING anything are more likely to be mafia. disformation. Can anyone tell me what he is doing? Because I can't remember a single thing he's done outside of the early game. His VCA posts are a more boring version of my own take on the votes. It didn't feel like his analysis was very insightful. Koshi. Again, nice filter but hasn't done a lot. Not so sure on this one, could just be busy for 92 hours like he said. ritoky. Lots of debate-orientated points in his posts to DF which are great theoretically but don't mean anything for his alignment. Has the Eden post, however. Rels/ Onegu. I think Rels is more likely to be scum here, just because I don't spot any incongruencies with Onegu's current posting. Eden does not actually fit into this heuristic. He has those forceful posts on me going for him. Will have to see his response to the current events though. She has read me town allllll the way up until here. Then comes this: On March 20 2017 06:22 Calix wrote: This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that And hey, suddenly after: On March 20 2017 07:05 Calix wrote: I'm not super-convinced here but two wagons is always a good idea so I'll help with this endeavour. On March 20 2017 07:09 Calix wrote: Three of Eden, disformation, Onegu, Rels and as of late, rayn. You and Koshi are also possible but not a priority by any means and Koshi's latest posts were decent. Kinda POE since I think I have decent reasons for town-reading everyone else. | ||
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Why THE FUCK did you scumread me Calix, if not for that? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote: Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists. Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad. Boo-hoo-hoo. No. It is a scumread because you literally defended me just before and pointed out those you "POE'd townier" as more scummy just fucking hours ago. So what happened between there if not the most obvious Xatalos post you agreed with? | ||
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On March 22 2017 00:55 Koshi wrote: No Calix can never be mafia rayn. incorrect. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote: Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet /dunked | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:21 Damdred wrote: Also i'm not sure if I would call it desperate claim either. It's not, if he read my discussion with Adam he would know but obviously he has some other agendas to push for it. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:24 Xatalos wrote: OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have. How many times have you fakeclaimed though?  6 times in one game as town. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:25 Damdred wrote: Like if you compare his claim to some of his other claims like guardians of the galaxy as scum, that one looks a lot different and actually looks desperate. This looks really different and in line with his town games. In that game i trolled hardcore because my scumteam was shit and the town somehow magically managed to lose to them anyways.... Like jesus christ 2 scum claimed vigilante and i think sicklucker even shot Toad or something. Every scum called every scum mafia so i didn't bother. What a fucking clusterfuck. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:33 Xatalos wrote: Kind of felt similar to me though. Similarly done to sway the lynch situation to his favor for a short-term gain? LOL Oh god this is so fucking terrible. EVEN COMPARING Guardinas game to ANY other game i have EVER played is trashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... :D | ||
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If you just look at my posting there, for a one fucking second you will see it has nothing to do with any game of mafia ever because i was just spouting shit out of my mouth with nothing at all.. Except for calling all my scumbuddies scum jsut because .... Claiming because why not... then i just replaced out because of the XXX game end as i was so fucking burned out as i tried so hard and got lynched for being not scummy but fucking blabla something else.. | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote: I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:46 Xatalos wrote: I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot. No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit. Who is mafia and why? | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:53 Xatalos wrote: Eden almost certainly. DF is also a strong candidate due to POE and less than impressive posts / ever weaker impact on the thread as the game went on. Rest is in you/AMG/Onegu probably. Why AMG? | ||
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On March 22 2017 01:57 Xatalos wrote: Even Tumble and disfo have made me think they could be town lately. Why Tumble town? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:00 Xatalos wrote: There was a more detailed explanation somewhere in my filter, but in summary, he's been doing his own thing consistently without seeming to care about how he looks. Also his confusions seemed surprisingly genuine on reread. (That and he wouldn't make much sense as scum if you were town since the way he acted EOD D1) I have said this all D1 and you considered us both mafia all D1 and now you are telling me (on D2) that i am pathetic because i ahve been all game wrong when your scumreads were rayn/Tumble/Malongo and you even voted for the non-scum of that list ( as you yourself said). Makes sense? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:06 Xatalos wrote: Not sure if I followed your thought process there. Anyways it's not sure if I was completely wrong D1 yet, and it's not that bad to make mistakes on D1. At this point I'm time I'm certainly closer to the truth than you are. How is that so? You know Damdred's alignment? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote: This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal I am not getting lynched today 100%. If he is mafia he is gonna draw out the other PR and "cannot be blamed about it because he was right in that if it's all vanilla setup rayn can be mafia". | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is that so? You know Damdred's alignment? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:11 Xatalos wrote: Well, by some simple logic. If we make the assumption that we're both town and competing on "rightness".... You were sure Malongo was scum. I was unsure. He wasn't. You're sure I'm scum. I'm not. I'm not sure you're scum. You're ??? (if not, then at least I'm closer to the truth again). Damdred is probably town. I'm probably right. Etc. etc. wow wow wow...... "At this point I'm time I'm certainly closer to the truth than you are." No. "not sure" does not comply. How are you CERTAINLY closer to truth than i am? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:14 Xatalos wrote: Based on Malongo's flip and my own alignment. That's all I know for sure at this point. (ritoky not included since we never really debated that) So if i am town and Tumble is town and Damdred is mafia how are you closer to truth than i am? | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:23 Xatalos wrote: I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum). I think if you're town the current situation would not be "good". | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote: Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far. So the game is a lot harder than I thought. No it is not, lynch Xatalos and we go from there. Adam is really good at this game btw. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG? Maybe. At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups. SURPRISE MUTHAFUCKASSZZZ??? :D | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:41 Damdred wrote: Well probably so, even if lets say its Xata/Eden the third I just am having a hard time putting a finger on currently. and i'll think about xata while i have to afk for a couple ehours I have a couple of possibilities. And i am not 100% sure Eden is scum tbh. | ||
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On March 22 2017 02:47 Xatalos wrote: Well here's a rough ranking of everyone right now: Calix Damdred Koshi Tumble disfo DF Onegu AMG Eden Very rough. Some spots would likely move a place or two with filter-diving. You increased in rank with the helpful/clear-headed attitude in this situation. AMG and Onegu dropped a bit for staying on the sidelines and/or supporting my lynch to some extent. Dunno about Koshi. He probably genuinely bought the case somehow, even if the change was shockingly radical. I meant here. I am a shadow. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:21 Xatalos wrote: That's literally the worst guess I've seen all game. Except for me and malongo being mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2017 03:50 Xatalos wrote: So rayn shitting on me all game makes him 99% town, me doing the same makes me 60% bad town >.> I havent shat on you all game unlike you. Also im Batman. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:02 Xatalos wrote: Hm. One would think that as scum I'd know that, not the other way around There is always a claim the day after rhis. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:06 Calix wrote: I think it's karmic justice for all the times NU and I have flamed each other. I can now relate to the observers ;-; Youre scum so idc | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:18 Calix wrote: Your sudden aversion to lynching Eden...even though you said that "if Eden is mafia then Calix is always mafia" is extremely odd. Did you ever explain why you started town-reading Eden? Try lynch me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 04:21 Xatalos wrote: We're certainly not lynching Calix... You're attacking a minor detail again. So what if she added you to her scumpile (weakly at that) at my persistence without thinking about it too carefully. It's not inherently scummy to sheep a read here or there. Good reason to townread her. Good reason to scumread me. Weak reads are not the same ppl!!! | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:17 disformation wrote: the last time i let you yell me onto a wagon we lynched poor town!tictock blame yourself then. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:35 Calix wrote: Okay, let me put it this way. If you don't town-read Eden, then I'll make the WILD assumption that you scum-read him. Given your current reads, this means you think the scum-team is Eden/ Calix/ Xatalos. 2/3 of your scum-reads are the leading wagons. Have I made any mistakes here? If I have not, I don't get why you're yelling so hard to lynch Xatalos when you think Eden is mafia. Or why you suddenly give a shit now when 2/3 of your scum-reads were the leading wagons yesterday and you didn't give a shit there. because i want to lynch xatalos. i couldn't give any fucks which one of malongo or damdred was lynched. if you have noticed anything my take on this game has notably changed after Adam joined. I want to lynch Xatalos. Then i want to lynch you. You are both mafia, fuck you and try me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 05:43 Calix wrote: The graveyard and myself beg to differ re: being """"right"""" As said before, this isn't MS and your weird posting isn't going to do anything. i am about 28k posts ahead of you fuckface and they are all from TL mafia so shut up you idiot. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:18 Koshi wrote: I'll explain myself better. I take a risk on Damdred and TW but I cba to fucking even doubts to reads anymore if Eden flips town. It is your own fucking fault they become untouchable. no, yours. | ||
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Xatalos is the only one i am sure about and the chainsaw makes me think Calix too. Maybe Eden is mafia? Idk. What i do know is that you're not mafia, Adam is not mafia, Tumble is not mafia and disformation is not mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2017 13:56 AMG wrote: In both of those worlds, town is in a pretty happy place. Either it was a dual scum push yesterday, or scum are completely inept and did not capitalise. Yes. | ||
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On March 19 2017 04:20 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm.... In the case of rayn/Tumble scum it would make sense though, to distance from rayn without losing/risking anything...? But if we assume rayn is town, then it's probably not very sensible for Tumble to accuse rayn here.. Here you suggest that if i am mafia then Tumble is my scumbuddy (you talk more about this later). If i am town then it's extremely unlike Tumble is mafia. Now the next thing you do baffles me a great deal. You suggest a switch on Tumble. That is something you should never be doing since his alignment is connected to mine, not the other way around. You should always lynch me first!! And yes, you suggested a switch on tumble before a switch on me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 18:50 Xatalos wrote: I started switching to you around that time, I think. Anyways the connection thing wasn't initially as strong in my mind as later on. I am thinking you realized what i just said and went to damage control. | ||
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On March 22 2017 20:43 AMG wrote: I guess i'm starting to buy into the inept scum team theory. But there is 2 mafia left. | ||
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On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote: Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did. But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive. | ||
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On March 22 2017 20:54 Koshi wrote: I think the cop always claims his check 1 sec before resolution. Then if he is alive claims his next check tomorrow. With some luck it is auto win No. Mafia cannot not hit me. | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:07 AMG wrote: Reading the exchanges between Xalatos and Rayn last night, I get where Xalatos is coming from. When you respect rayn, you're never truly sure hes town, there's always that lingering suspicion in the back of your mind that hes mind fucking you, because he IS capable of it. What exchanges are you talking about? | ||
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On March 22 2017 21:12 AMG wrote: Is this the conversation i asked you about AMG? If so, it's not a conversation between me and Xatalos. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote: At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly. That game was super funny though. I had all mafia but one figured out on D1 and tried my best to lynch townies but the town was so terrible i needed to actually help them a little (well it kinda escalated in me giving them 3 mafia and shooting the 4th one because i thought they were a cop). And i had the perfect SK victory there just to be ruined by a bastard host who decided for no reason to end the day phase early WHEN THERE IS CLAIM WARS GOING ON and all i had to do was to find the cop until the end of next night... | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:19 darthfoley wrote: I really don't understand your penchant for being a dick There is nothing dickish is calling bad play bad. | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:29 Xatalos wrote: Fun game indeed But you can't say the double bus was a terrible play when it fooled you well and would have won us the game if you hit Cop hahaI am not sure how you would have won since i had night immunity, there was still 1 lynch + night, and your team had no idea who is SK. I always win if i don't get lynched because you can't even shoot me. And your bussing gave away 3/4 of your team (to me - obviously if you think about town then it was not bad play). | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:37 Xatalos wrote: Huh. Could be. Oh I remember. We requested SK to kill rayn through me in the thread. There was just a slight problem with that plan.... | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:44 darthfoley wrote: I've already explained why I said that, so read my filter and call me scum if you don't believe me At the time you wrote that did you think that's the case there? | ||
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On March 22 2017 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: At the time you wrote that did you think that's the case there? I really can't tell because whenever you talk about it you also talk about Eden being scum. So i have no clue where your head was at that time. | ||
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On March 23 2017 08:14 Xatalos wrote: I'm not sure if it's 100% necessary. Depends on who he is (scumread to any extent?) and if his checks are of any use. It would make today easier though, I guess, if that happened. Yes it is. Because if and when we hit mafia i am a cop too. Maybe you're not scum after all, that was a terrible night kill. | ||
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Well i think this night kill makes Xatalos town. It's completely weird logic to kill Calix here because the only reasons it makes sense to do so is if it is a cophunt. The kill is also super weird because in case you happen to miss the cop you're suddenly in a situation where you absolutely lose if ANY of your teammates gets killed the next day. It's basically a high risk low reward kill. Even if you manage to shoot the cop then so what? Again if one of your mambers gets killed the next day you're in a situation where the Jailkeeper is suddenly a cop, a cop who also ignores the Godfather. Basically you have 100% chance to shoot a "better" blue than the cop and you take ????% chances to to shoot the other blue?!?!? Calix' reads in this point don't matter for any smart mafia, because regardless of how right or wrong she is, you can't shoot her. Xatalos does not do that. Koshi doesn't do that. I find it very hard to believe you would do that. So i am left with Onegu and one of DF / Tumble. | ||
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I can even let it slide what i said before about his treatment of me but these things make me very very uncomfortable. 1) Xatalos calling AMG mafia. Now let's imagine a scenario where AMG is mafia. It's D2 and he subs into the game. There is a lynch wagon on his scumbuddy Eden. Now what is the route you take as scum? You call Damdred and Xatalos scum (that worked out well for me already on D1, right?). Then you call Eden town and hard-defend him without having any answer to the most important question of "why did ritoky die then" (when this HAS to be exactly why you killed ritoky, or at least 100% why the town thinks you killed him)? What are your %'s of making the play work? I'd say around 0. Obviously you can't know for sure, but that's what i would assume if i was AMG and mafia. Then, after deciding "wow this is my terrific strategy" you stay up most of the night discussing the game with me. For what? For that your scumbuddy gets lynched regardless almost all of the time? Does this sound like a good strategy for mafia? No it doesn't. It's a very terrible strategy because you cannot assume the outcome that arguing against the tide (when you actually WOULD KNOW Eden's alignment - you know you're bullshitting) makes people think you're town, in fact the assumption is the opposite. Somehow Xatalos thinks "pushed against Eden lynch" or "didn't help Eden getting lynched" makes AMG mafia, which is very on surfeace -level thinking and show no depth at all. Like seriously, read very carefully what i wrote here: On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive. 2) Xatalos' actions at the EoD 1. This is what Xatalos is basically saying: - "I didn't want to lynch an asset so i voted for my weaker scumread Malongo (and Tumble)" - "I wasn't sure if rayn is scum so i didn't push hard on his lynch" - "Then i actually thought rayn is scum and wanted to lynch him" Like i can't see a world where all those things are true. First of all all the information on me had been there for hours. There is no way Xatalos comes to a conclusion 15min before the deadline that "rayn must be mafia and now we are going to lynch rayn" when he should have made the conclusion way earlier, especially since he claimed that Malongo is not his strongest scumread and i literally cannot be mafia with Malongo. The only explanation i can think of is that for whatever reason he stuck on Malongo first. Then he for whatever reason wanted to try some shenanigans on Tumble. This point he realizes "shit i have just called Tumble mafia ONLY if rayn is mafia so now i have made a mistake". Then he basically has no other option left than to try lynch me, because that's the only possible solution where he doesn't look terrible (if people don't figure it out). But that doesn't make sense either since he claimed he wasn't sure of his reads and "didn't want to lynch an asset" - which he now claims is a reason why he switched back to Malongo. The whole fucking thing doesn't make any sense unless the vote and push on me is nothing but damage control after a mistake. If people don't understand this i will explain it with quotes tomorrow. I can't sleep so i decided to write this now for tomorrow. 3) this one here: On March 23 2017 06:44 Xatalos wrote: rayn, were you trying to roleblock someone? Who? Calix was kind of the obv-save so... This is super terrible because no smart person should even for a second consider me not offensive jailing. Defensive jailing has 0% chance of success because i get 100% roleblocked. The only way i can do anything, or make anything work is if i hit exactly the roleblocker, before them, and exactly the roleblocker sends in the NK (so like 1% with dumb scum, but still better than 0%). 4) I also believe there is a chance with the Calix kill that Xatalos is playing for "lynch a townie -> call the blues mafia". The whole game he shows doubt on my alignment. Hell even after N1 he wants to wagon ME instead of Eden, because of "counter-wagon". What fucking counter-wagon?!?!? Again, why do you need counter-wagons when you think someone is mafia? I have to think about this more tomorrow but it is not totally out of question, in fact, based on Xatalos' play so far i think there is a fair chance of him thinking it can work or even be the best strategy. | ||
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On March 23 2017 16:57 Xatalos wrote: Those are reasons why you think I didn't think something completely through before posting, not reasons why I'm scum, rayn. As scum I'm far more careful what I post and certainly don't post unfinished thoughts into the thread. + Show Spoiler + 3 doesn't even make any sense. I asked you who you offensively jailed, and again you refused to answer. I didn't ask who you defensively jailed. Besides why would this ever make me scum? Same with 4. I've clearly shifted away from doubting you to a major extent so who would push you then? I already explained 2 at some point. 1 is just your opinion vs mine. I am not sure if i believe you. | ||
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On March 23 2017 14:27 AMG wrote: In your last post thought Xalatos was possibly townie with a few question marks. Now you're trying to solve the game using Xata as confirmed scum to find the 3rd? I would like to hear an answer to this too Tumble. I'll read DF's answer to my question a bit later when i get home. I have to look at his whole filter to figure out if it makes sense or not. Xatalos when you're that self-aware of your meta you have to understand i can't just take your answer on face value. I am not sure at all you wouldnt make that play i described as mafia. I am not sure at all WHY you would do things you did at EoD1. Sure you can say "i didnt think it through" and it "makes sense" but i am not sure if i believe that. If youre town lets scumhunt then and talk about what people ACTUALLY did and not just "they are acting like X and that means Y". | ||
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On March 23 2017 05:52 darthfoley wrote: In retrospect my syntax of the sentence was poor. My main point was that regardless of Eden's alignment, I thought it was a pretty smart kill in terms of not giving the town a lot of information because all the scenarios I listed were plausible. I still think it's unlikely the sole motive for killing ritoky was his Eden read. Seems way too clean So then what was the motive? There is always a reason why mafia kills the people they do. | ||
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You, onegu and amg were never blue. Damdred wanted to kill himself d1. Disformation forgot there is a setup with framer. Df forgot there is a roleblocker?!?!?!? I guess you can do that. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:40 Tumblewood wrote: ah true roleblocker. maybe not then. probably would kill Koshi or someone Ah this post. If he is blue he 100% assumes i get shot. This is not a blue post. | ||
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On March 25 2017 02:53 Onegu wrote: I can see him doing the Calix one. The ritoky kill is wierd AF for everyone in this game. I wouldnt be surprised if koshi thought he was hitting a blue though. Are you serious?!?!?! | ||
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On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote: in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are: damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner What is "any team with rayn or df"? | ||
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The only thing besides DF's alignment i am 100% sure about is that Xatalos is not mafia because there was no roleblock on me last night. Damdred wasn't really around either so i have to look at his interactions with Eden. But there is no way Xatalos does not roleblock me on N2, just no way. So first things first. Now that the other game is over i can actually talk about this. I played another game which i was alive for 33 days. In those 792 hours my vote was on a townie for a total times of one, for exactly 1 hour and 15 minutes, because i got tilted at Rels for suggesting i would make the dumbest night kill i have ever seen. For 32 days i tried to convince the town to lynch one of the most obvious mafias i have ever seen in any game i have played. Guess who was the only townie who got lynched that game? For being wrong on Hapa's alignment for 3 days when he afk'd and i had no time to interact with him and then someone just hammered him with almost 10 days left in the phase... And even when i was wrong i was right because i was pushing the other fucking mafia. Now that is not why i get mad irl. I get mad when even after all that there are completely illogical and straight out stupid people who cannot understand any sort or logic at all and tell me how i should play mafia. I had literally three scumreads in that game and all of them were mafia, even when i didn't think Hapa is mafia i couldn't tell who the third mafia is. So yeah, that was the 8th time i have gotten lynched as town. Out of those 8 times in 5 occasions i have only called out mafia/SK .At least almost - in that one dumb game i afk'd for 24 hrs for valentines day and came back with like 100 votes on me "bcz rayn never afks" and called out 7 people of which there was 5/5 were mafia and one SK. But no, "we are not reading your posts you are mafia bcz rayn never afks". So this is going to be most likely my last game of mafia, i have now tried like three times and it always ends up in the same way in like at most 10 games. On top of that i have had a terrible flu for a week and i have slept like 1hr max/night and at some random times during the day when i am not working. So i am sorry, especially for Calix for my words. I am also sorry for my completely retarded night 1. I for some dumb fucking retarded reason thought that (1) i should not jail ritoky after all because: - ritoky is either right and Eden is scum (40%) and i always lynch Eden if he dies - if ritoky is wrong he is probably mafia because that post looked like "polished" and too many words for saying simple things (40% -- now this would be higher but i know i am almost always wrong on ritoky's alignment early on in the game), he could be sending in the night kill if this is the case - ritoky is wrong and is town, in which case we figure that out on D2 Now if i jail ritoky and there is a no-kill, i don't know if he is town or mafia. I then made the retardation vol 2. Let's jail Xatalos! Because if Xatalos is mafia he would possibly send the kill as he is not being scumread (retarded conclusion). If Xatalos is somehow town and mafia is in a good position (aka if ritoky and Eden are both town), mafia can shoot Xatalos to frame me (now this is even semi-reasonable). The fucking idiotic thing i realized RIGHT after i saw the flip is that if there is a no-kill it leaves me in the same fucking position than it does with me jailing ritoky. Except for worse. So i am so so so sorry for that ritoky. I played like a fucking dumbass who has played like -4 games of mafia.I claimed when i did because i am pretty sure my mental state couldn't handle D2 otherwise. Thankfully Adam joined the game and saved me. I don't blame anyone for scumreading me and i don't think anyone is scum for scumreading me, and no Xatalos, i am smart enough to realize - regardless of my condition - that you are not mafia JUST BECAUSE you scumread me. I jailed darthfoley last night because i thought there is a high chance he's scum and if he's scum he will most likely do the kill. The problem is i fell asleep at the deadline (i honestly don't even remember i put my vote back on Xatalos at the EoD 2) because i was a fucking zombie and didn't actually send in my jail until at some hour when i woke up during the night. But that was a good thing because now i can be sure about Xatalos' alignment. Darthfoley. I sent in my jail at the exact deadline this time. I did not jail Tumble because i thought Onegu was flipping mafia and if that happens Tumblewood is very very very likely to be mafia. So basically the jail on him doesn't do anything (and if we are wrong on Onegu that is actually quite a terrible jail target - especially with his posting now). I am not going to change my target regardless and i am not going to imply who it is, but please do not check Xatalos. There is no way Xatalos does not roleblock a claimed jailkeeper in a setup like this. | ||
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On March 22 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote: Say calix and xata are town. What's the point in shooting rayn? I always get back to this post and wonder "what the hell?" Because i can only see that Damdred knows Eden is going to flip goon, otherwise this doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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On March 25 2017 23:05 Damdred wrote: Rayn I think 3/4 the player list wouldn't block the jk though. Like it just doesn't make any sense not to. explain? | ||
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Who were people afk all (or almost) night 2? It wasn't Onegu for sure. Because if what you said above is what you thin kthen it's either afk or someone with not much common sense as others. | ||
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Like if Shapelog was in this game i would 100% lynch him always after a night like that. And i don't really think Shapelog lacks common sense, he just sees the things very differently. What i also do know is that Xatalos is one of the people who DOESN'T see things THA*T differently in that occasion. | ||
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On March 25 2017 23:21 Damdred wrote: Yeah, it's a good post. Your an agent of chaos i would always leave you alive in the thread to tunnel xata/shit right with calix. Well then the main reason why i have eliminated you from the scumpool doesn't apply. | ||
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On March 24 2017 09:57 Damdred wrote: I think unless someone is super cconvinxi about somone in my town circle the game is easily solvable by lynching two scum in. Adam, onegu and tumble. Data is a long shot (so is Adam a bit to) So basically I want my d1 reads to be money lol ..that Xatalos can in any way be mafia? | ||
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On March 25 2017 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't see any reason why you wouldn't kill ritoky. Were you around at night 2? Actually explain this. If you wouldn't kill ritoky WHO would you have killed? | ||
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On March 25 2017 23:54 Damdred wrote: Calix or koshi. Probably just koshi. But you wouldn't kill Calix N2? And why would you shoot a dude who is completely afk for the most parts of D1? | ||
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On March 26 2017 00:01 Damdred wrote: Koshi was one of the largest townread people in game, he was good while he was here and his posts n1 were pointed and re evaluating. And as an added bonus could of been used to put nor pressie on you before your claim. And yeah calix was hard fighting with you throughout d2 not so much d1. And super townread. Overall pretty simple So why does shooting Koshi apply pressure to me on D2 more than shooting Xatalos? Because that's what you do if you want to apply pressure towards me by night killing someone. | ||
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On March 26 2017 00:14 Damdred wrote: Killing koshi adds more fuel to xata fire than the other way around tbh which should v more apparent to you than the other way around. Koshi reevaluates xata was still arguing you scum after you claimed. Like koshi very obviously cake you mafia and changed his opinion. No it doesn't. The whole thing you are saying here is based on that i will claim on D2 which is something you cannot have possibly known if you are mafia on N1. If i am town: Xatalos can be convinced Koshi cannot be convinced That is always 100% more likely outcome than the other one. Basically everyone in this game knows that. | ||
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So if you're mafia and Eden is also mafia, Koshi and Xatalos are tunneling me and i am tunneling Xatalos, i don't see any reason why you should NOT kill ritoky over anyone else in this game. | ||
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On March 26 2017 00:27 Damdred wrote: I don't agree with that at all. Xata is tunnely, koshi changes reads at a moment's notice most of the time. Which he has done 999 times. Except that he doesn't do that when it comes to me. Unless something like claim happens. Show me a game where that happens and i will give you at least three games where the exact opposite happens. Now everyone should be - and is - aware of that. This is what makes Koshi a bad night kill N1 when i am in the game and town (true) and town is wrong early on (true). | ||
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On March 26 2017 00:49 darthfoley wrote: My only problem is that koshi has been so wrong this entire game. Well this pretty much doesn't make Koshi scum since if the team would be Eden/Koshi/disformation the player you know 100% to be town has been equally wrong the whole game. | ||
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On March 26 2017 01:53 Xatalos wrote: Btw both of you, but especially rayn, remember to claim your actions at deadline. That way we gain info even if you die. We can't since there is the resolution period. Claiming 30mins before the night ends is a no-go. My target won't reveal anything except if there is a no-kill even if you knew it. Because there is 2 mafia left. If there is no-kill then i am obviously alive to tell who i jailed. On March 26 2017 01:37 Xatalos wrote: Why didn't you make your initial claim like this that Because i didn't care at the time. I actually wrote most of that post on thursday but i haven't been able to get on computer properly until now. | ||
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On March 26 2017 01:42 Xatalos wrote: I agree the switch was oddly hard/sudden (from lock town to lock scum in like minutes). And it would fit the scum motive. But yeah, him directing these actions and overall playing solidly... I don't really buy it. Like koshi is super super level-headed on D1, N1, and if i skip the fact that his targets are "wrong" on D2 too. Like it's very townie. Just because he has been wrong doesn't make him scum. There is also the fact that Koshi trusts on my reads. When i claimed D2 there is no reason to assume town!Koshi would not vote for Xatalos especially if i do. | ||
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On March 26 2017 02:06 Xatalos wrote: Are you sure? The way I understood it, actions can't be changed during the silent period What's the point of the silent period then? :o | ||
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No bullshit, just reasons why they are mafia. And preferrably why are the other two are not mafia. If you think Xatalos is mafia feel free to argue that too. | ||
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On March 26 2017 04:51 Xatalos wrote: I guess that's one of the better "listposts" I've seen. :O That's like all the reasons gathered up from the thread that are mainstream. | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:03 disformation wrote: if its amg + koshi both did? tw came in to a time, when both the wagon on me and the wagon on xata were fairly dead already if i remember right? lemme double check time stamps. Incorrect. When he voted has nothing to do with what he could have done when he was around (which he was) way earlier. | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:12 Xatalos wrote: I could probably aim to write a novel with the material I've posted on TL Mafia over the years.... Anyway I think Damdred is really quite townish from his vote behavior on D2 alone. disfo also went for Eden, and stayed on him all day, even though he seemed to consider me a bit at times... But that's not necessarily scummy. Dunno, I kind of like both Tumble and disfo? AMG is the only one I seriously think could be scum out of the remaining players. The last one... urgh You seriously think both Koshi and AMG are mafia, killed ritoky and then went with "wow let's try yolo lynching Xatalos with rayn"? | ||
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What's the point there? I mean, whoever he votes for, does he look better? If he voted for Eden would you consider him looking any better for his vote than here? | ||
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Tumblewood was around for most parts of D2. Just because he placed his vote in a moment that is "late", doesn't mean he could have done something else in case mafia strategy is something else (like lynching Xatalos here - in case Tumble is mafia with AMG / Koshi). | ||
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On March 22 2017 07:12 Tumblewood wrote: makes it easier with the 3-scum incompatibilities. for cred the team is damdred/disfo, but maybe it's xata or onegu. not really looking at anyone else at this point besides, as a stretch, df. to here... On March 23 2017 13:43 Tumblewood wrote: looking through df again and writing him off for hopefully the last time also 0% chance he is with xata. no one drinks their scum partner's koolaid to here... On March 25 2017 07:17 Tumblewood wrote: anyway I wanna lynch damdred, disfo, or xata in any order going forward ??? | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:28 Xatalos wrote: Well, it didn't really matter at that point. Just cringed at him placing it into a meaningless place even if it wasn't an important thing. I think the only thing it means is he is not scum with AMG or Koshi. | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:40 disformation wrote: not sure when you mean? tw had df as scum early and then flipped for: outside of that he has like no explanation? think thread consent on df was fairly middle ground for the most part. town leanish for tone in some cases. some ppl had him in like poe, but not at the bottom usually. thats more from memory though. On March 26 2017 05:42 disformation wrote: this was short before the claim, when a lot of ppl had df in their poe. or were like "scum or cop" what are you trying to say in these posts? I don't understand a single bit how anything here has to do with anything. | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:52 disformation wrote: well. my point wasnt phrased very well, but still stands. that was to say: tw had a town read, when a bunch of ppl didnt. not 100% of the majority of the thread had him as scum. maybe half? Yes and that is only repeating what reads in his filter and not answering Damdred's actual question. | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote: I'm last what was thread consensus at the time on f2f then? And what was tumbles rread on him based off of? Town points for whoever answers besides rayn Like fucking come on he is obviously telling you to answer "what does it mean?" | ||
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On March 26 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote: curious to see what happens tonight. i'm gonna try and look over the D2 stuff right now and see if i find anything before i might die You don't btw need to claim anything about your check before the day hits. It literally doesn't help because the result doesn't get out in case you die. | ||
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Xatalos is not mafia. If there is a kill disformation is not town for certain. I don't think Koshi is mafia. I don't think Damdred is mafia. I don't think Tumblewood is mafia. I think it's disformation + AMG. If one of them is town then probably Damdred. I really can't see either of AMG / Tumble do what they have as scum. gl | ||
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Xatalos is not mafia. If there is a kill Tumblewood is not town for certain. If there is a kill and cop was roleblocked Tumblewood is 90% town. I don't think Koshi is mafia. I don't think AMG is mafia. I don't think Damdred is mafia. I think it's disformation + Tumblewood. If one of them is town then probably Damdred. I really can't see either of AMG / Koshi do what they have as scum. gl | ||
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On March 26 2017 06:47 Xatalos wrote: Well I guess Koshi isn't completely in the clear... DF made okay points. "The switch" had bothered me before as well. It's not the switch it's the reasons for it. | ||
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On March 26 2017 06:30 darthfoley wrote: [...] I find his reasons to switch off Eden onto Xata to be relatively poor, then it's even weirder that he switches back on to Eden late for no explanation. Weird wording... why does it matter if the lynch is set in stone if you truly believe Xata is mafia? He even says he made 3 posts about Xata being mafia. Yet... [...] Like he is fine with Eden being lynched because Eden is mafia but then he is angry because if Eden is mafia and some other person is town it's someone's fault???? It doesn't make much sense. | ||
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On March 27 2017 20:35 Koshi wrote: This is really fucking terrible rayn. Go check your role pm because you are effectively playing for mafia now. Tell me then why mafia is bussing AMG? | ||
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It makes zero sense by D2. And i know very well why i am voting for you. | ||
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On March 28 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote: From reading Eden his filter it is way more likely Damdred is his scumbuddy and not disformation. It's always wifom but Eden is not the best mafia player and it is way more likely he talks about a town!disformation here and a mafia!Damdred. Koshi this is baaaaaadddddd. Damdred was the first one to scumread Eden. Eden voted for Damdred on D1. The read on disformation is "if calix is scum then disfo is town". Trrrible read when if Calix is town then he can again say whatever he wants on disfo. How about you guys read what people said on Eden and not orherwise? Double-bus theory is super dumb imo. | ||
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Xatalos basically because of Darthfoley getting roleblocked N2. That's something that doesn't go with his scumplay (aka not roleblocking me). No no no never. Damdred. Called Eden mafia on D1. Eden voted for Damdred when there was actually a chance of him getting lynched. The double-bus theory is very very dumb especially since Damdred would be a scum PR and Eden is not. If there was a bus between them it would be Eden being bussed. 100%. AMG. There is no fucking way AMG comes to D2 and yells that Eden is town. No way, especially since he can't give an answer to "why ritoky died?". I already talked about this, it's absolutely 0% chance of working, and like 80% chance of you getting scumread after Eden flip. The only reason for AMG's behaviour is that he is town and genuinely thought Eden is town for whatever reason. It jsut doesn't make sense any other way.. Then there is this voting thing on D4. IF we assume Damdred is town (which is like fucking 99.9% certain), AMG cannot be mafia because everyone and their mother wanted to kill him just a while ago. Mafia wanting to lynch mafia on this day is super duper dumb. They COULD want to lynch their roleblocker here for end-game town credit but that would mean they had shot me instead of Darthfoley last night (because who the fuck would care about his check - even if it was on the RB since the bus play has to be planned already). So yeah, he is town. Koshi. I have a very hard time beliving Koshi actually thinks AMG + Damdred is the mafia team. Although Koshi thinks i am mafia in all of the games ever so i don't even know what Koshi can think.... Makes perfect sense if he is scum with disformation, especially after that dumb read from Eden's filter where Eden basically gave "if this then that" read on disformation. But then again i don't know why he wouldn't vote for Eden D2? Maybe they wanted +1 on Xatalos, who the hell knows, i don't. Tumblewood. His voting record is absolutely horrible and his play is filled with heuristics that don't really have anything to do with actual reads in my opinion. Like "this and this guy are the same alignment because..." is a good example. I first looked this at as a townie thing but meehhh... It makes sense either way, if he is mafia with disformation (defending scumbuddy without actually defending him) or if not (being "right" in "this is TvT fight"). disformation. His play can be summarized with one word. Coasting. There is pretty much nothing else i can say about it. No hard stances, no pushing anything, not really even arguing anything, throughout whole game. A big list of reads after a big lig list of reads after [continue].... and never getting anywhere. I am quite sure he is mafia. disformation - Tumblewood (60%) disformation - Koshi (30%) Tumblewood - Koshi (10%) | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:04 Koshi wrote: I don't even understand what you are saying here and I am pretty sure I don't want to know. That is exactly what Damdred did on D1. Called Eden mafia and when people voted for Malongo and him instead he wanted to kill himself. What a fucking bus!!!?!?!? That's how you bus, right? No, you fucking tell why the person you are bussing is scum and yell it through -- or be silent and forget about it and laugh inside, you don't tell people to kill you instead. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:08 Xatalos wrote: Although rayn, disfo did go swiftly after Eden on D2 (even before you claimed, and just after Damdred). And stayed on him to the end. I'm not really confident if scum disfo does that. He has benn calling Eden out already after ritoky's post. What else is he gonna do? Like i can lynch Tumblewood too. I really don't care. I just think the case on AMG + Damdred are super fucking terrible. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:12 Koshi wrote: This is true as well. Damdred + AMG fits so fucking well. Now here is one super fucking bad conversation. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote: It is so obviously Damdred/AMG. Everything fits. Low page filters let's talk about Damdred here. Do you understand he has spent like a fucking week in a hospital or something? No scumhunting what so ever Has been better at scumhunting than you have. Town based on 'events' instead of townie posts Incorrect. You have even yourself ARGUED AGAINST THIS?!?!?!?!!? Bad starts D1 Yeah dude, and that's why you thought i am 100% scum on N1 and D2? Because that WAS ALL I WAS SAYING DURING THOSE PHASES!!! What the fucking fuck Koshi? Very limited view on the game No. Disappearing acts when under pressure No. In fact 100% no, Damdred has mostly been here defending himself - at least to me. | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:28 disformation wrote: yo rayn can you tell me why it is so important that i forgot some stuff that happened first half of d1? that was over a week ago ffs Because that is the one main fucking reason why Damdred is not mafia. You don't care what his alignment is, you just call some people scum. | ||
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People and votecounts. See here: On March 28 2017 05:31 Xatalos wrote: Right now it's... AMG - 3 (Tumblewood, disfo, Koshi) disfo - 2 (rayn, Xata) Tumble - 1 (Damdred) Koshi - 1 (AMG) YES MAKES SENSE! | ||
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Tumble / Koshi | ||
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On March 27 2017 22:46 disformation wrote: aight fair enough. at work as well. should have like 3 hours after work to tell you guys who is scum, so you dont end my streak and lose me the game. After this post, what? Go into his filter, 2 last pages. If i was town i would be trying VERRRY hard to solve the game instead of whatever is there.... | ||
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On March 28 2017 05:50 AMG wrote: How long until the lynch 1hr | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:08 disformation wrote: yeah and if tw does that nobody cares. I do. But your filter said AMG + Damdred. So you didn't. | ||
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This is generally a townie trait, at least as it is put here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + btw i am not gonna change my vote | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:27 Damdred wrote: Just my feeling but I think disf flips town. Just my feeling but it's either scum on scum or Tumble is town, both of which make disformation mafia imo. | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:31 disformation wrote: yeah but koshi is not even a lynch? So you think he jsut made up some random shit that never happened when he read the thread? Come on.... | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:32 Tumblewood wrote: rayn do you still think Koshi is likely scum? Why do you even care right now because i am not lynching Koshi. | ||
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On March 28 2017 06:36 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm.... There has to 1 scum, and exactly 1 scum, within disfo/Tumble looking at these votes..... IMO I'm staying with rayn though, what are you doing Damdred and AMG >.> I am not really sure what mafia team of disfo + Tumble would do other than vote for each other? | ||
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Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you so much in case one of you is town. | ||
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Good night. I don't even know why i stayed up. | ||
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