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So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote: Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:33 Paperscraps wrote: @Oatsmaster I would like to hear your read on FT. I am bit cross at the moment. Tofu had no reason to defend me early on. If he were scum, what is the motivation behind doing this. He could actually town read me and scum read exar or being trying to look town by defending me. What are your thoughts? @Malongo Good to see you posting. I am curious, do you have any town reads so far? I think most of the hyperactive players are more likely to be all town (see last post). From those the only guy that looked sort of fluffy was hzflank, though I didnt like the no lurker lynch idea from exarezee. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around. Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now. You are playing dumb as always  , but you are actually lying there. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote: Explain that bolded part to me. When you assume somebody is scum, shouldn't you be more acquainted with his reasons to push his suspects? You are supposed to find out if his cases are on townies, and pushed with scummy arguments. That said, is it possible you didn't get an opinion on your scumreads' scumread while analyzing him? I got a little lost there, I read it as: you want me to elaborate more on Paper right? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter. Give me a minute to elaborate on him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:20 hzflank wrote: The Paperscraps came from a Scum-Tree Paper rejoins the game with a big post that is basically just a list of town reads. He does not provide particularly good reasons for his town reads. This is scummy through and through. I dont care about a list of his town reads, I want to know who he thinks is scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you I already pointed out a specific thing that I did not like about this, which can be seen in this exchange. I encourage you all to read it from post 493 to 503. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=25#493 Paper's excuse for the inconstancy was that he did not read properly, but it was not one of those moments where you can tell that he was obviously being truthful. Paper refused to answer any of my questions. How am I possibly supposed to get a town read on him when he does not answer my questions? If Paper were town then he would of answered them as honestly as possible. Also, what does this actually tell us? It's pure fluff in an attempt to pad a post that contains zero useful information for town. This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: On July 28 2013 18:25 Paperscraps wrote: Maybe I am missing something, but reading through Oats' filter he doesn't push on you. He doesn't even directly call you scum. I am not sure what you are looking for here. I believe what he has said about you so far is decent. I really don't see how it contradicts my read. Stepping on toes = abrasive. Is your gripe with him calling you defensive? On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. In general I have no idea how Paper even arrived at the useless town reads in that post because he did not explain them in a townie way. So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? In addition, when Paper is pushed and finally gives us a scum read it is this: He gives us a single sentence as to why he wants to lynch Vivax. A single sentence in a game with 400+ posts to use for information. Then he adds a second scum read. He never actually pushes either of these reads at all. Not once does he even direct a post at Vivax or JAT. Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. Paper later says that he has changed his mind about me and thinks I may be scum. I engage him in conversation (linked above) and he does not even try to push his read on me at all. If Paper actually had a scum read on me then why did that conversation go as it did? How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. How is any of this not scummy? How can people be saying that Paper's filter looks town? What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: + Show Spoiler + Malongo Let's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him. Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners) On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote: And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. "Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1. Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now. Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum? Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here. This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo. ##Vote Malongo You are actually dodging the point when I called out the post of hz being inconsistent with the town benefit to lynch lurkers day1. When I said *no leads* I was clearly calling this post in mind On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote: Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote: What? You're saying when you said there were no leads you were talking about that post by hz? I really don't understand what you're saying. Ergo I am mafia so lets write my name in colors? LOL | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote: Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible. Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner. FUCKING CONSOLIDATE I am pointing out directly at the post where hz didnt want to pressure lurkers early because *it was best for the town to consolidate 2/3 wagons early* wich never happened because there was only one wagon on Paper. If he wanted more wagons then why did hz kept focusing on convincing everyone that Paper is mafia. Clarity you are actively ignoring that he lied. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh Clarity; It was because you did call FT town for stupid reasons (the scumslip thing) and your case on Malongo, which was bad in my opinion (non-alignment indicative stuff from him). Then you just consolidate on Paperscraps without a word on JAT / FT any more. For the record Clarity, Koshi and CJS are town for me. | ||
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