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On February 14 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2017 22:29 Palmar wrote:On February 10 2017 16:01 Vivax wrote:
For now we leave the cop claims be and focus on finding the other scum. No I have no idea who it could be yet, nothing jumps at me particularly.
Palmar should both cop claims check the same guy or not? Neither should claim who they're checking because mafia will prefer shooting the person checked if he is town. I kinda don't wanna explain more until after daybreak (you can remind me to explain on d1), but please just trust me that it's optimal to not announce my check. typical mafia talk "ILL EXPLAIN LATER BUT I HAVE GOOD REASONS I PROMISE". It's not that there are not good reasons. Reasons are very likely to be very good. But this line of thoughts ==> "I have a good reason but I'll disclose it later" is a scummy mindset very usually. Especially if the reason is very good.
you are retarded.
I didn't want to talk about the cop options on n1 because of several reasons:
I did not want a cross-check with scum (which I ended up getting anyway)
I did not want the scum to shoot my check
I did not want scum to panic and go for a big play (try to hope the doc is retarded and didn't protect me) on n1 if I announced I was checking scum
I was hoping LS might fuck up and check me (yes, this has happened, more than once in this setup. Mafia claims cop, then claims to check the real cop "to be sure").
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On February 14 2017 19:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2017 23:44 Palmar wrote:
I actually was gonna check someone else but changed my mind because I felt like I was being paranoid. Not gonna reveal who until day 2. But you will understand my reasoning once I tell you.
looooooool again
On February 14 2017 07:38 Palmar wrote:
oh I talked earlier about checking someone.
I thought about checking damdred n0 because I can never read him. ie: I think he's mafia every game and this one was no exception. However I got mad at rels for talking about me being possibly mafia and checked him instead because him not bowing to glorious town leader palmar felt scummy at the time.
I humbly admit I forgot Rels has a case of the bads.
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On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today
I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over.
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On February 14 2017 19:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:30 Rels wrote:On February 13 2017 23:44 Palmar wrote:
I actually was gonna check someone else but changed my mind because I felt like I was being paranoid. Not gonna reveal who until day 2. But you will understand my reasoning once I tell you.
looooooool again Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 07:38 Palmar wrote:
oh I talked earlier about checking someone.
I thought about checking damdred n0 because I can never read him. ie: I think he's mafia every game and this one was no exception. However I got mad at rels for talking about me being possibly mafia and checked him instead because him not bowing to glorious town leader palmar felt scummy at the time.
I humbly admit I forgot Rels has a case of the bads.
Sry nobody remembered to ask you so you had to tell it like that
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On February 14 2017 19:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over.
Nope, the reasonning is not made under the assumption Palmar is 100% mafia. I think Palmar is 99% mafia, but the reasonning is still correct without it.
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On February 14 2017 19:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:53 ritoky wrote:On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over. Nope, the reasonning is not made under the assumption Palmar is 100% mafia. I think Palmar is 99% mafia, but the reasonning is still correct without it.
Your post about LS checking between me and damd is under that assumption though. Because in the world where we lynch LS and get it right, Palmar already has his red check.
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Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside.
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On February 14 2017 19:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:55 Rels wrote:On February 14 2017 19:53 ritoky wrote:On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over. Nope, the reasonning is not made under the assumption Palmar is 100% mafia. I think Palmar is 99% mafia, but the reasonning is still correct without it. Your post about LS checking between me and damd is under that assumption though. Because in the world where we lynch LS and get it right, Palmar already has his red check.
OK that part is. But the important thing is that town WILL have to decide between Palmar and LS. If we lynch Damdred first, YOU won't have to decide 'cause you will be dead, but town still will have to.
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On February 14 2017 19:58 ritoky wrote:
Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside.
I don't get that though. So you would rather be dead and not be part of the decision that make or break the game ? You have the chance to be alive and be townread and have your opinion matter there
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On February 14 2017 20:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2017 19:58 ritoky wrote:
Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside. I don't get that though. So you would rather be dead and not be part of the decision that make or break the game ? You have the chance to be alive and be townread and have your opinion matter there
Partially because I am back from vacation so my time is pretty much going to disappear at a rapid rate in the next 48 hrs, partially so I can blame other people in the event that they make the wrong call, partially because I prefer to take 100% certainties over non certainties. There's a lot of contributing factors for me.
When I wake up later I guess I will give damdred's filter a read now that I know he is 100% mafia and see if that leads me anywhere on the cop debate.
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look if you and malongo agree on wanting to make the cop decision today, then i will suck it up and respect the conf town wishes and make the decision today, since you two would be making it the following phase anyway if i got my way.
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Technically Rels is right, there is no new information to be gained in this game, the game is basically over. I know the mafia team.
So we might as well lynch LS today, however there is the little problem of Rels being pre-disposed to thinking I'm mafia because god knows what reason. It's the inherent "lynch-Palmar" bias.
We're all on the same page that if we lynch me we just lose the game today, right?
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On February 10 2017 07:34 Palmar wrote:
Although it would be fairly fitting for us to lose this game because town got unlucky and someone who's not a dumbass rolled cop
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Like I want make sure you absolutely get this in your brain Rels.
Do you know anyone on TL Mafia that believes as much as I do that people just like lynching him? Every time I play, people mistrust me, precisely because I say smart things and.... therefore must be mafia? You know the very, very common "Palmar needs to defend himself on day 2?" thing? I've even had to defend myself after lynching mafia day 1.
People don't trust me.
There is NO WAY that if I was mafia, I would decide to be the one making the fake-claim. This just does not happen. Go ahead and think for a little bit, what are the chances of me coming into the mafia QT and going "hey, I think I'll cc. People tend to believe me and let me live so whatever".
I would never do that.
I don't really know how to defend myself. I've, in my opinion, played this game perfectly. I claimed (as is optimal), I got a green on d1, but did get a red on d2 (which is good), I've "solved" the game, and even my scumreading hunches have been "ok". I was right ritoky was town, and my analysis on Malongo and why he was town turned out to be correct too.
I'm going to eat, I'll be around. please be less stupid.
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It's double frustrating to argue with dumb townies when you literally know they're town.
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On February 14 2017 20:15 ritoky wrote:
look if you and malongo agree on wanting to make the cop decision today, then i will suck it up and respect the conf town wishes and make the decision today, since you two would be making it the following phase anyway if i got my way.
Yeah I want that. From our (malongo and I) pov it's really stupid to Lynch outside the cops. Cause we just lose the game if you're scum, or back to the same situation if you're town.
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Yep Palmar you got fucked by LS playing naively and damdred playing weird about you. Regardless of alignment I might add. It points at you being scum soooo much. If you're town they both played brillantly
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On February 13 2017 04:19 Rels wrote:
lol if you think Palamr is 99% mafia we lynch Palmar. I'm way less confident on the other dude. Even more though knowing than if we're right tomorrow we have doc claim + another check.
On February 13 2017 04:26 Damdred wrote:
If that's what we are relying on though we should no lunch then.
The night kill will be more interesting with Palm/lls alive since they can't kill the cop without saccing and the doc should probably protect you and then we have a kill between ritoky and me. Then the real cop checks mal me or rit.
So more than likely the game is over with a no lynch here to.
Idk just seems simple like that. Doc claims, good report checks. Game is over. And really what if I'm wrong on ls even if this is the 1% he's emulating really well and one ml and a lose I think.
If Damdred is not scum with you this is the point where he should have gone "OK you're right let's kill Palmar".
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Especially since he was thinking this:
On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote:
That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch.
Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt.
I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes.
I can only see mafia motivation in that.
I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls.
##vote malongo
And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one.
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