[T][M] Resistance VI

On January 27 2017 07:38 Chairman Ray wrote:


I've played a few hundred games of this live, and I think I played once on TL.

Yeah, if you are town, please reject mission 5 if you are not on that mission and most of the time reject mission 4 as well, but for the first three, please use your best judgement. Reason being that in mission 5, even if you think everyone on it is town, they can all just approve it and the mission goes ahead, but on the chance that at least one of them rejects, and people outside the group approves, you need to reject it. For the first three missions, if you are not in the group, please use your best judgement and approve missions you think will pass, because if you reject groups that you are not on, then mafia get to pick which mission passes. I've definitely had a lot of games thrown where town was being too cynical early game or too optimistic late game.

On January 27 2017 11:57 Silverika wrote:


Why not?

~SilverWolf77

On January 27 2017 17:07 Silverika wrote:


No shit Sherlock, but your basicly saying "have no dicussion and approve anything and everything"

So explain to me why any newbs should jsut blindly go "ok approve" without dicussion.

On January 27 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Since the 12 hour deadline is approaching. What would be your draft team at this point in time?

On January 27 2017 22:19 Calix wrote:
For the record, I don't understand what the problem is with the SL/ Swika discussion so if SW could explain that then I'd appreciate it.

The only thing that stuck out to me about SL on a skim-read was that he was trying to 'confirm' himself with that dumb tell thing.

On January 27 2017 18:23 Superbia wrote:
I still don't think if this is some bluff or if you genuinely think the first team should be RNGed. But I am triggered.

On January 29 2017 07:31 sharkie wrote:
Ah well kinda a mix of both. First team is full chance anyway and I feel pretty good with 6 good guys and only 3 spies. I am actually quite sad that this was not approved. Any chance TW is going to vote the same team again? Pretty please!

On January 29 2017 07:46 RtaniSoul wrote:
would be pretty sick if sick, super and calix were the spies

On January 29 2017 08:01 RtaniSoul wrote:


yup. last post of the sl, well before the nomination phase ended. though he must have at least been here sometime in the last 24 hours to reject the team...granted, our nomination was the post after this, but still

On January 29 2017 08:17 Superbia wrote:
Yeah I'm like 95% that team was all town.

On January 29 2017 08:19 Superbia wrote:
Sharkie just seems like mafia agreeing with the team because its likely right and attempting to get get credits for that. Something like that. Could be completely wrong, but hey. :D

On January 29 2017 08:39 Silverika wrote:
First of all, I'm pretty disappointed almost everyone rejected the mission if you guys thought it was all town. If you advocating rejecting the next one as well, we might as well hand it over to scum because after so many rejections, they win and we will just be sitting here chasing our tails with nothing to go on. Then I will feel like I completely wasted my damn time signing up for this. I mean WTF? Even two of the people on it and the team leader said no? Completely ridiculous.

I will be rejecting Tumblewood on the team. I think they are scum casting shade on everyone with the stupid excuse of "well, I don't townread them" That is such a scummy load of BS. If Tumblewood puts the same team with himself, I might consider it because it will confirm him scum unless he passes to try to fool us but I feel like it will be sabotaged and with the first mission rejected, on top of a sabotage, I will be super annoyed.

This isn't how my last game went but maybe you guys have a better way since scum won the one I played. I don't know but can someone explain how rejecting missions gets us anywhere? We can't lynch. We can keep people off missions. But we still need to have 3 successful ones. How is that gonna happen exactly?

~SilverWolf77

On January 27 2017 07:19 Silverika wrote:
Hi all!! Who has played before? I have one time online and the first mission passed. I'd like to go on the mission since we are members of the Resistance so I'm volunteering. Also, I'll sign my posts, ika42 likely will not. Any high level missions-ones with higher numbers of people that we aren't on will be rejected by us because if one Town voice isn't there, the chances of it being all Town is not high enough to take the risk.

~SilverWolf77

On January 29 2017 08:46 Silverika wrote:
Also, I feel the team was town due to the very high number of rejections. Scum will reject the team if it's all town and they will all vote for it if there is even one scum on it. The fact only two said yes tells me that was an all town team.

~SilverWolf77

On January 29 2017 15:00 Silverika wrote:


ill be blunt, have yuou been reading? its been called out sharike is mafia already

On January 29 2017 15:27 Silverika wrote:


Quote where we ever said it was optimal strategy to never vote yes on the first two missions. Because if you were reading the game, you'd know that not only did I never say that, I was advocating the opposite.

~SilverWolf77

On January 30 2017 04:40 Vivax wrote:
I'm rejecting the team cuz superbia and silverika aren't on it. They are my strongest reads.
I'm requesting calix and SL to step up activity, I can't read them for crap like this.

I also very much like rtanisouls list except that superbia would be higher in mine, and grack is more of a null for the point he made about tumblewood which seemed perceptive to me, but can come from spies as well I guess.

Here's my suggestion that doesn't have me in it.

superbia/silverika/tumble

My next step would be to ask rtanisoul if they're fine with this.

On January 31 2017 07:03 Superbia wrote:


who the mafia

On January 31 2017 07:30 Superbia wrote:
I'm not convinced of SL scum yet, but he has been superdisappointing.

On January 31 2017 18:57 sharkie wrote:


Everyone thinks you are a spy

On January 31 2017 20:20 Vivax wrote:
If you think emc is spy cause of double replacement, you're in for a wild ride and a lot of assumption.
Don't see why his slot should be anything else but null for now.

What really annoys me though is how so far every team leader included himself. I believe that enforcing the policy of not being on the team you nominate would be beneficial.

My question to EMC is how he doesn't realize that his team will never make it through like that. It's doomed from the beginning. And the nomination was too early anyway. You can't expect people to trust you when you just got into the game.

On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario.

Either:

1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team.

+ Show Spoiler +

2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie.

*For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver.

3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia.

I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia.

On February 01 2017 06:26 emperorchampion wrote:
@art I don't really see a compelling reason to switch super for grack? makes sense to put both on to me

Sorry this is from mobile

On February 01 2017 06:27 RtaniSoul wrote:


lol

read: but i'm being a lazy fuck cause i'm town! clearly!

On February 01 2017 10:10 Silverika wrote:


Because?

~SilverWolf77

On February 01 2017 10:09 Silverika wrote:


The fact that this doesn't like the team is a good sign since this is almost certainly a spy at this point.

~SilverWolf7

On February 01 2017 12:48 Silverika wrote:


You do some math. There are only 3 spies and to think they are all on this mission is absurd. Especially so since we are resistance and your shade throwing is duly noted.

~SilverWolf77

On February 01 2017 17:11 RtaniSoul wrote:

Given that sicklucker is universally read as spy I feel that this might be WIFOM. More accurately, we're just ignoring all his reads entirely until there's a reason he might be resistance.

On February 01 2017 19:00 emperorchampion wrote:
I think the team is good since both other members are resistance reading silverika, and based off of what I read yesterday I don't really see any reason to put grack over super.

I'm interested to see how the votes fall out here.

On February 02 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote:


Logically I agree with you, but practically seems like no one will vote your team so idk

On February 02 2017 03:47 Silverika wrote:
i'm gonna go one step further and ask sick for the reason on why we are spy.

cus i am talking with SW right now and it seems like hes just throwing it out. so IDGT?

On February 02 2017 06:16 Silverika wrote:


No, you yourself said you don't do anything in games and were not doing anything. So I said, as long as you continue with that attitude, I won't approve a mission you are on. That's a perfectly good reason. But thanks for scumreading someone for no other reason than we don't want you on missions if you don't play the game. And saying you don't care if you are on or not isn't very townie since you'd want to be on it if you were town.

~SilverWolf77

On February 02 2017 07:06 Silverika wrote:
great game guys, really fun, having a blast here

On February 02 2017 06:29 Silverika wrote:
At this point, I think the spies have a plan to townread us until we get on a mission, then cast shade on us-notice it's happened twice, as a justification to continue to reject missions.

Also, RtaniSoul is probably scum for rejecting mission using the same logic they are scumreading us for.

So them, sicklucker, and we just need to find one more-ika thinks it's sharkie due to Chairman Ray speaking like they were not a part of town.

So there ya go.

~SilverWolf77

On February 02 2017 09:37 Silverika wrote:


Yeah, cuz as scum I'd be mad if we had yet another rejected team and it had to come to us.

I really hope you aren't town and this bad.

~SilverWolf77

On February 02 2017 09:45 Vivax wrote:


This is a great post.

On February 02 2017 19:14 RtaniSoul wrote:

Even you shouldn't be able to ignore how Superbia and TW looked pretty awful near the end of the day and EC went

Which sounds pretty godawful to me.

Also why are you paranoid about us? Any reasons or just standard Vivax tinfoil?

On February 02 2017 23:00 Silverika wrote:


Yeah, I'm really raging out. You continue to do nothing but talk about us though.

~SilverWolf77

On February 03 2017 02:52 Tumblewood wrote:
likin silver for tempering sl's ego
partial to anyone who does that anyway but that's pissier than I usually see scum get
I could see sl dping that as scum or town though sooo

On February 04 2017 01:47 Vivax wrote:
Yea I'm not serious I'm still approving dis shit

On February 04 2017 12:08 Vivax wrote:


Gives a good deal of info even if it fails though.

It means I can seriously consider the rtanisoul + sharkie spy world.

They better pass ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

On February 04 2017 12:34 Vivax wrote:


That world probably means TW is probably spy though, if you look at rtanisouls earlier posts when they said they would approve Grack/silverika/TW.

And it would also mean that SL is town and that coming in occasionally to drop a turd of a post and then disappear is his most recent town play.

On February 05 2017 01:28 Silverika wrote:
In the future, I'd like people to NOT say if they are gonna approve or reject a team. This is just a way spies can signal to each other what to do. I mean, go ahead and say if you like it or not and help the leader pick a good team, just don't say how you are gonna vote. The spies don't have a chat. Give them no reason to coordinate under cover of everyone is doing it. We haven't really said who we would choose for this exact same reason, no need to put info out there spies can use to decide to, for example, go with the flow because they know the team leader will pick a spy next time, or something along those lines. I would not use the voting patterns as saying it's gonna pass or fail. Scum can realize it's all town and know if they vote against it, and it passes, they look bad or if they vote for it, and it passes, it looks better for them.

~SilverWolf77

On February 05 2017 02:36 emperorchampion wrote:


I still don't fully understand how stubborn = scum, but w/e.

I'm pretty surprised that no one else voted down the mission apart from super. sl voting pass is pretty lulz

Pass or fail I'd eat my shorts if there isn't one scum on that team. No way any tinfoil team is baby sealing at this point in the game. Pretty much that would mean it's super/tumble/sl which is quite unlikely to me.

On February 05 2017 07:50 RtaniSoul wrote:
Same mission but with us. Ez win.

On February 05 2017 21:27 Vivax wrote:
In other words, we can afford to use the next mission to put someone in who needs to be cleared of being spy as not sabotaging it only gives them one more attempt and we can expect that no spy in their right mind will let this pass.

On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged.

But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options.

On February 06 2017 01:49 sharkie wrote:


That's easy. It had three resistance guys on it and none of my suspects for spies.



Oh so it has turned out to be that if we get a fail and the team is silver/grack/sharkie/vivax -> sharkie is the spy and if the team is silver/grack/vivax/RT -> RT is the spy?
You make it very easy for you heh. Really starting to think SL is a good guy accused wrongly.

On February 07 2017 00:19 Superbia wrote:
Since when is laziness and long periods of inactivity a mafia trait for me? :D

On February 07 2017 01:35 Silverika wrote:
It's interesting how Superbia can't read what's pretty clear in our filter.

It's also obvious that they are doing what sicklucker did and trying to start a fight with us because they hate this mission and want people to vote against it because it must be all town again.

Any town player, would never behave this way at this point in the game.

So thanks for outing yourself. You and sicklucker can go sit in the corner with duncecaps.

I'm done talking to either of you.

Have a nice day.

~SilverWolf77

On February 07 2017 04:05 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also to be fair that game had a scum that used an ability to shoot another scum and someone who counterclaimed vig against vivax and then looked really townie.

Since the setup wasn't known and both looked very town we began to believe there were two vigs.

On February 07 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote:
Like what type of koolaid are you drinking to think that the original 3 was town

On February 07 2017 07:03 Superbia wrote:
Notice how the game is not over

On February 07 2017 11:33 Tumblewood wrote:
nvm ec and super tried to reject it anyway. so those 2 could be with someone else but if it's so it's probably a package deal

On February 07 2017 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh.

If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul

On February 07 2017 23:55 emperorchampion wrote:


Yeah that's true regarding grack / sl.

I'll explain what I was thinking:

Attempt 3 (team I proposed) the issues that sl was raising were:
- the leader not on the team
- no grack on the team
- silver on the team (strong (est) scum read from super)

Some things about attempt 4 (vivax's team):
- leader not on team
- silver on team
- sharkie on team (also strong scum read from super)


His whole point for yay voting vivax's team was that he didn't want silver's team to be auto-picked since it was his strongest scum read. That + I suppose grack is on the team now, his strongest town read. But I don't see the logic (maybe sl will help here) with voting a team with your strongest scum read versus let that person pick the team. Actually the had his two strongest scum reads at that time (as I recall). Like this team for him should be auto-fail, so I can't see why he would approve it. #justslthings

Scum motivation that I see is to pass a team with at least 1 scum on it knowing he's ostracized in any case if team mate decides to fail; and in the present case he can give an easy town read to any of the members on the team (i.e., silver or sharkie who he was previously scum reading) cause they are now part of a team that succeeded in passing a mission.

On February 08 2017 14:27 Vivax wrote:


You do realize this will never pass, and not just cause of me.

On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote:


It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy

On February 08 2017 16:44 sharkie wrote:
So the mission failed after all.
Now before we even knew if the mission was going to fail we had our two prominent nayvoters EC and super appear back into the game and post as if it were day one.

For me that is way too big a coincidence to happen for both players. Sure I know I am the prime suspect of a spy for pretty much everyone in this game but neither of them posted that much after the first mission was approved and sent out (with me in the team). They only started talking so much when the 4man team was approved. Now of course they will cry vote analysis for this reason but my counter to that is they nayvoted the previous 3 man team too and yet they did not bother to cause such an uproar at that time.

So EC, super: tell us why the 4 man team bothered you so much but the 3 man team you let pass quite easily without much rejections?

Also I think SL and TW are still owing us explanations for yayvoting the 4man team although the team had people they accuse of being a spy.

On February 08 2017 18:37 Vivax wrote:
Anyway Gracks version is that team #1 I nomed was all resistance.

Feel free to put anyone townie you want instead of me then, watch it fail and let me enjoy confirmed town lyfe, cuz both sharkie and grack are opposing me and I can't be spy unless swika is spy.

And I'm salty enough to take the risk to approve it.

On February 08 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:
I think EC is a spy because he never takes a hard stand on anything. Most of his comments are very blendy and he doesn't stick out on anything.

Rtani Soul is very Town. Not only because of the amount of analysis in the game, but the tone of the posting, the level of frustration, and they make no sense as scum with anyone on the failed mission.

I thought Grack would never fail a mission with sharkie there to take the fall but I'm gonna stop using this kind of stuff to analyze and actually filter dive grack more. There are things from sharkie and Vivax that look pretty Town so I can't write either of them off as spies.

Also, I want to look at that old resistance game so many of you were in. Will do this in a little bit-filter dive grack and look at that game.

~SilverWolf77

On February 09 2017 00:47 sharkie wrote:
What is wrong with you all?
Suddenly Grack is everyone's favourite guy to hit upon? How can anyone turn from most trusted guy (wanted on the team by literally everyone) to the dumping ground of mistrust. And the most surprising thing out of all is how vivax and RT totally forgot their vendetta with each other and suddenly are best buddies (not saying that both of them are spies). I don't think I have ever seen anyone jump up so high in trust as vivax did while being in a failed mission.

Everyone can imagine Grack being the mastermind from the shadows, manipulating everyone from day one. Yesterday most didn't even bother listening to what I was saying how good spies don't play it the conventional way and you believed that I have to be obvious spy 100% (with the exception of RT). If you can consider Grack being a spy then surely silver can be a spy too (not saying that they are but has to be kept in mind). Way too many people are ganging up on Grack (math wise).

Also I even read how SL could be a possible resistance player, now that is one thing I cannot imagine at all. That guy doesn't care one bit about what is happening in the game. He doesn't even know who was sent out for the second mission..

Now I expect I get shit for defending Grack just like RT did yesterday for defending me...

On February 09 2017 06:05 sicklucker wrote:


vivax was not on a failed mission....

On February 09 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
I actually feel a lot less good about my theory just based on how confused you seem to be by it.

I got this idea because I was feeling that sharkie and Silverika were very likely town.

If the first team is all town, there has to be some reason for it to have gone through so easily. Vivax/you make the most sense as scum who might vote for the mission because you two shaped the mission by selecting sharkie and were the overwhelming choices to be added to the next mission.

So my guess was that Vivax wasn't able to add himself because he didn't want to look like a hypocrite after all of the griping he did earlier. He didn't want to flip his read on you, so he didn't add you. And the third scum probably didn't look good enough to add.

Otherwise I basically have to conclude that Silverika is scum. Which seems increasingly possible.

On February 09 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
I actually feel a lot less good about my theory just based on how confused you seem to be by it.

I got this idea because I was feeling that sharkie and Silverika were very likely town.

If the first team is all town, there has to be some reason for it to have gone through so easily. Vivax/you make the most sense as scum who might vote for the mission because you two shaped the mission by selecting sharkie and were the overwhelming choices to be added to the next mission.

So my guess was that Vivax wasn't able to add himself because he didn't want to look like a hypocrite after all of the griping he did earlier. He didn't want to flip his read on you, so he didn't add you. And the third scum probably didn't look good enough to add.

Otherwise I basically have to conclude that Silverika is scum. Which seems increasingly possible.

On February 09 2017 06:20 Grackaroni wrote:
I'll also say that it's getting weird for me to continue arguing over this theory because the longer I argue the more I'm starting to believe that the scum is just Silverika being cranky.

On February 09 2017 06:31 Grackaroni wrote:

Because you can't understand the theory! If the theory is true then it shouldn't be such a chore to walk you through it.

Again, the whole point of it was that I was trying to think of why the mission may have passed if I was to trust my reads on Silver & Sharkie.

A pairing of you/Vivax made a lot of sense to me.

I'm just trying to make sense of the missions. And I think the people that should be most suspect are the people who didn't seem to put much thought into passing the last two missions despite the strangeness of votes and the thread atmosphere.

I believe that would be you/Vivax/Silver/TW/SL

On February 10 2017 02:26 Tumblewood wrote:
sl has 0 analysis on players beyond x is bad, dumb, emotional, etc idk how anything about his tone + Show Spoiler + makes him townie with that

On February 10 2017 04:53 Silverika wrote:


Well let's see:

First silver has basicly been shit on by sevral players
Second we gave the scum games and then they don't get read
Third, both me and silver have no tolatance anymore we expected this game to maybe be a week or two not a god damn month
Fourth, nobody has really been trying to narrow anything down and instead turns into this piss fight on how one must play
Faith, both me and silver are fucking tired. I'm working overnights and silver is still dealing with radiation for her cancer so we have like no tolarance anymore

On February 11 2017 08:27 Grackaroni wrote:

You realize that your mission got 0 votes.

And yet my mission is the one that doesn't make sense...

I'm mostly taking into consideration the people that I think are town.

I know that Rtanisoul/Sharkie will both consider the mission. Not sure about Silver/Super.

On February 12 2017 06:00 Vivax wrote:
Once you have the confidence that spies on team 1 are always Grack and/or Sharkie, you literally must be confident that SL and TW are resistance as the spies are perfectly content keeping them in the leprosy camp forever.

And SL doesn't have particularly refined post but you can see that he cares about the game, and draws the right conclusions. The last team was probably all town.

Same for TW. TW also started playing a more...obfuscated?passive style of town compared to when he started out here.

Then you add PoE with a sharkie grack emc super spy combination, and the reasons above are enough for you to trust SL and TW to be resistance.

On February 12 2017 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and sicklucker I just can't read him for shit

On February 12 2017 06:47 RtaniSoul wrote:
So SL is actually confirmed town by PoE. kek

On February 12 2017 07:51 RtaniSoul wrote:

He was the one that gave you more of a chance than anyone else when you were being a shitter at the start. What makes you say that?

On February 12 2017 07:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Also why did Lex and Tina had to spam to a 18 page filter -.-

On February 12 2017 07:54 RtaniSoul wrote:


siiiiiccckkklucker can we have a pajama party?

On February 14 2017 00:18 Superbia wrote:
sicklucker, who's your scum team atm?

On February 14 2017 07:09 Vivax wrote:
I was hoping this would get rejected tbh. I hinted at it saying "be careful".

For information, and cause I wanted to see the people scumreading me squirming when they had to change their read on me for my vote.

On February 14 2017 07:31 Vivax wrote:
I really really hoped to prolong this though. Worst case is that RtaniSouls nominates. Seems kind of rash to immediately let this through.

On February 15 2017 02:29 Grackaroni wrote:

Because the only people to down vote it were me/you/EC/Sharkie. You were on the mission. That means there must have been one scum that voted to approve it, but that would be so stupid for them to do that because it looked like the mission was going to be approved and they automatically lose if an all town 4 person mission passes.

On February 15 2017 02:32 RtaniSoul wrote:
If it's SL Grack is never mafia btw. EC posted this Grack defense based on SL being mafia and I don't believe for a second that scum EC is ballsy enough to say scum Grack is town because scum SL is scum.

On February 15 2017 06:25 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're terrible at tone reads, silver is never a spy here.

On February 15 2017 07:15 RtaniSoul wrote:
We're happy putting Super on the mission next. It makes the most sense honestly given he suggested and voted for the mission.

We also find it pretty unlikely that SL and Vivax had a mindmeld where they both whispered "hey don't fail the mission bro we should fail mission 4 instead because reasons!" so yeah, We think we just win here.

On February 15 2017 07:18 Superbia wrote:


I did not have to vote yes?

On February 15 2017 07:19 RtaniSoul wrote:

Except many people have suggested teams they voted against themselves. It's really not that hard. He could've just feigned reasons for voting against it/say it was for info or whatever. He was in absolutely no way bound to voting yes for this team.

On February 15 2017 17:28 RtaniSoul wrote:
As long as everyone acknowledges myself and silver are town and EC is scum the game is 100% over. If anyone needs convincing on any of those slots let me know.

On February 16 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not convinced guys.

I think we should put EC on the team instead of Superbia.

On February 16 2017 08:24 Rels wrote:


Spy team was sharkie, emperorchampion and lightningstrike. And tumblewood. And calix. And half the sky. And chairman ray.