EPT[T][M] Resistance VI
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Like in voice I think no one was intent to oppose anyone on the first team anyway, when we played. It was mostly just seeing if it fails or not, there wasn't anything to discuss. | ||
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On January 27 2017 08:00 Chairman Ray wrote: So, what do you guys want to do? I want to go on a mission cause I'm resistance and need to fight a bunch of other people who will say that they are also resistance cause reasons. I think you are not resistance cause you looked at me funny, what do you say. | ||
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On January 27 2017 09:07 Half the Sky wrote: Evening lovelies, I’m resistance too, but surely someone in this bunch is capable of saying that, or frankly anything posted so far, as either alignment.  And LOL Tina, sleep is for the weak To add to the setup discussion, as someone who has played resistance before in forum and real life, I do agree with the points made by Ray, but for people new to this game, should mission 1 pass, do not assume that all three members on mission 1 are part of the resistance. At least in my experience, there’s been far too many times where people don’t re-examine the first three people and then for mission 2, they hyper-focus on player 4 that becomes the add-on. Spy on first mission makes it pass, gets another assignment and the fail getting attributed to the newcomer is a possibility. On January 27 2017 09:11 Chairman Ray wrote: I say rubbish! I looked at you funny because Austrians are not to be trusted. Anyways, if you are not selected on the first mission, who would you be okay with? No one in particular yet. | ||
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But here ye silent presence, I gave you something to read. | ||
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On January 27 2017 22:56 RtaniSoul wrote: this may actually be were i begin to townread you. without lex's blessing but whatevs xP he's too busy playing heroes. i think. i'm supposed to be studying >> this is why i don't mafia anymore lol What are you studying now? Also try stealing his ethernet cable when he does that he isn't allowed to play anything but resistance now. | ||
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Superbia Silverika seems fine to me though. | ||
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You seem R cause gut feeling. Superbia seems R cause he seems to be plaing to the best of his abilities which is a good indicator. Also liked his read on me but that's a more subjective reason. RtaniSoul seem derpy and too hung up on sending themselves. I suspect them of being S while sending two R along with them. | ||
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On January 28 2017 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Why would they not send themselves on their own mission?? I'd find it pretty strange to exclude themselves during the first selection. It's always safe to send yourself cuz of the "i know im town argument" duh. | ||
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Seems like a stupid question tbh, both alignments want that, and that's why I don't want that. So no, I won't suggest myself when I nominate unless others widely recognized my alignment. For the information value. | ||
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On January 28 2017 04:32 RtaniSoul wrote: ...yeah actually i will discuss it. what, exactly, makes it better for you as 'town' to not be part of a team that ends up sabotaging rather than to be part of the team? except to not be included in the resulting suspicion, anyway Cause if we accept self nomination widely any spy can include themselves for no reason other than "im town duh". I want leaders to have a better reason than that. | ||
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Aggressively pushing a specific team is very much spy play. | ||
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On January 28 2017 05:33 RtaniSoul wrote: who would you have go on the mission other than us? Dunno yet :> But secretly you wish I would say: myself | ||
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As resistance, why would you care so much that someone is hung up on not sending a specific person? | ||
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On January 28 2017 06:01 RtaniSoul wrote: take off your viva tinfoil hat for a moment and put on rsoul shoes...a viva comes along saying something that doesn't make a lick of sense and says nothing else. what conclusions do you come to? that's why i'm pushing you who else wouldn't you send? Anyone besides silverika and superbia for the moment. | ||
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On January 28 2017 06:17 RtaniSoul wrote: lol >< okay, so you're doing a smash-up job at useless right now. let's try a different tact what do you think of the cheerleader guy whose name i can't remember that replaced in for...i think it was chairman ray? i'm not asking alignment; i'm asking analysis The analysis is that he seems to not be concerned about that team being infiltrated and that could make him spy. Makes sense with you being on that team. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/7rwyj.jpg) | ||
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On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote: can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul? | ||
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On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic. His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax. This is really good Gracky. I think you can both go to town pile. | ||
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I like the point Grack made that he came into the thread to crap all over me and didn't use it to scumread me. Do you think that is not valid? | ||
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I'm requesting calix and SL to step up activity, I can't read them for crap like this. I also very much like rtanisouls list except that superbia would be higher in mine, and grack is more of a null for the point he made about tumblewood which seemed perceptive to me, but can come from spies as well I guess. Here's my suggestion that doesn't have me in it. superbia/silverika/tumble My next step would be to ask rtanisoul if they're fine with this. | ||
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On January 30 2017 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I would be ok with a team of Artisoul/Ikawolf/Tumblewood Why not superbia instead of artisoul? | ||
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On January 30 2017 08:41 Silverika wrote: This is why I'm kind of annoyed the first one didn't pass. That said, Calix's complete lack of activity is unusual for her as either alignment and if we could get a replacement in, if needed, that would probably help a lot with reading that slot. ~SilverWolf Would you be fine with superbia/you/tumble? | ||
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Don't see why his slot should be anything else but null for now. What really annoys me though is how so far every team leader included himself. I believe that enforcing the policy of not being on the team you nominate would be beneficial. My question to EMC is how he doesn't realize that his team will never make it through like that. It's doomed from the beginning. And the nomination was too early anyway. You can't expect people to trust you when you just got into the game. | ||
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On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote: tumble/silver/super ? Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though. I don't see the benefit of extra info here. Even if the leader knows he is town the others don't necessarily know he is. And to benefit from the extra info you say he would gain, one person would have to convince everyone else that he's not the spy. Game also isn't dead it's just a slow format. | ||
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Today I want to see superbia and TW fighting as they both distrust each other yet as spies they should want the team to pass. Looking forward to their reasoning for the respective vote. | ||
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On February 01 2017 15:14 Tumblewood wrote: I wish it were that easy. sl is always lazy + Show Spoiler + though not usually this lacking in analysis Don't sneak around me, will you approve or reject this team? | ||
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On February 01 2017 17:15 RtaniSoul wrote: You've been awfully subdued this game. Where's the Vivax fire? Why do we not know your opinion on our slot? You liked our list post but then preferred 4 other people. How have your reads evolved since then? I don't think I want to focus on that much as the current team is much more interesting since it's the closest we got to a working one. And neither of us are on it. I really just want to know how TW and superbia intend to cope with their distrust of each other when being on the same team. | ||
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Since I don't know how super and TW stand on the mission and I get the feeling that TW dodged my posts, I'll reject it. | ||
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Why aren't you making any sense? | ||
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On February 02 2017 06:13 Grackaroni wrote: lol what are you trying to do with the earlier post? You're like, "If Super/Tumble are spies I bet they're going to want to approve the mission. So what do you say, Tumblewood, are you going to approve the mission like a spy?!?!?!?" Yes, I'm saying that they cannot approve the mission without figuring each other out better without looking like spies | ||
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On February 02 2017 09:37 Silverika wrote: Yeah, cuz as scum I'd be mad if we had yet another rejected team and it had to come to us. I really hope you aren't town and this bad. ~SilverWolf77 This is a great post. | ||
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Anyway this isn't just about the team I want but about the team that most of town can agree on. TW, SL are staying out of it. That's not questionable atm. Me, Grack, ika sounds tempting but includes me and that goes against my philosophy and I don't want to spend time arguing why I'm resistance anyway. Others can do that when they feel like noming me. Grack, ika, super looks viable to me atm. Still paranoid of rtanisoul. | ||
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On February 02 2017 19:16 RtaniSoul wrote: Also if you don't want us in the team, put sharkie there instead of super. I'd vote for that. Approved. I like his thoughts to the super and tumble matter as I also dislike them much more since they literally didn't care. And I like that you suggest this. Next suggestion is Sharkie/Ika/Grack | ||
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Taking a look just at the votes I feel like swika approves a bit too often for my taste and I would like an explanation of why they approved with emc on the team as sharkie pointed out, but otherwise still am not particularly distrustful of that slot. Frustration about not passing seemed genuine too. | ||
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##Nominate: Sharkie, Silverika, Grackaroni | ||
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On February 03 2017 05:34 Tumblewood wrote: actually I don't think you could even be this bad by accident not going to blindly hand out townreads for being ass-backwards anymore. feel like the only way to get town to be decent is to only reward good play >< Why is it ass-backwards when I have a different read on a player? | ||
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But now you are being an annoying little gnat bringing nothing of value to the table, just jumping on me the moment I nominate. I already said a million times that self nomination sucks it gives every spy a simple reason to include themselves. It should be a policy to not allow it. | ||
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On February 03 2017 06:22 RtaniSoul wrote: Tumble, I'll try to explain my TR on Sharkie. There's this brazenness about him in the way he started the game by stating that everyone's still null to him. He thought the first mission was good as he didn't have a read on anyone yet and a random 3 people group out of 5 resistance members seemed fine to him. Since then, he's gotten reads in a way that I might not necessarily agree with but feels very organic and non-TMI-y. He hasn't felt like he's been strategically upgrading or downgrading reads. There's a trend in his read development that's easy to follow and it all just clicks when you crawl into his head for me. Dunno if that helps Have you tried crawling into my head yet? | ||
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On February 03 2017 12:48 Tumblewood wrote: in other news vivax probably town for being so insistent on not adding himself to his team. 'principled' is not a word I'd use to describe scum You see, it also forces spies to add one of their mates to the team. Which is another step in making bussing in this setup suicidal. | ||
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Ikawolf I think is indisputably town. Sharkie is innocent child. Need Grack to get in here and make me believe that approving this is great with him on the team. And cause I want to see his updated TW standing. | ||
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On February 03 2017 20:15 sicklucker wrote: I dont think sharkie not knowing what scum means is that weird Tell me if you have issues with this team and why please. | ||
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I'm approving and just yoloing past my second thoughts on grack. | ||
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On February 04 2017 00:03 emperorchampion wrote: I think it's an OK philosophy for this mission, but for higher people missions I'm not sure it's good. Maaybe OK for the mission that requires 2 fails to fail, but otherwise we're risking since the leader will have to add only resistance, and doesn't have any wiggle room. That said I really wish that you would have added yourself vivax over sharkie on this mission. @Silver what team do you have in mind at the moment? I'm thinking of up-yay'ing vivax's team based on silver and grack. A lot of people town-reading sharkie lately which I can't hop on, given his read on me and constant refusal to answer any questions that I've posted in this thread. Tumble not sure on, have to go back and look at interactions between silver/tumble/super. I'm getting tin-foilly over a rtani/sharkie team. Think super/grack are OK for now, hopefully they will post more this cycle. Vivax looking good to me right now. sl I need to figure out, his townread on grack feels a little opportunistic given the timing and the momentum in the thread at that time. I think the interactions that he had with me otherwise are fine. @sl 2 questions: where does your initial town read on me come from? how do you feel about tumble right now? Yup that's also a world I can see but right now I'm in the SL/TW/something world and I'm not sure whether it's grack super or you, but I keep getting a good vibe from your posts just not confident enough yet. | ||
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On February 04 2017 01:28 Grackaroni wrote: Whoops. My list post has an awkward sentence at the end of it because I changed the format of my list half way through. Wow such scum | ||
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Are scumslips real? Don't miss the resistance edition. | ||
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On February 04 2017 05:11 RtaniSoul wrote: Agreed though I feel better on sharkie than vivax. I'm also feeling pretty confident on a sl/superbia/ec team based on their general lack of caring when things appear to be going south, the former two moreso than ec though. Also the superbia poking at sl thing just feels so scum on scum to me and I don't think super/tw are scum together so that moves tw up. Vivax is very appropriately my tinfoil for if ec isn't maf. What if this mission fails? Is it sharkie or Grack then in your opinion? | ||
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On February 04 2017 12:04 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah this is going to end badly. Gives a good deal of info even if it fails though. It means I can seriously consider the rtanisoul + sharkie spy world. They better pass ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | ||
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On February 04 2017 12:23 Grackaroni wrote: I was actually just thinking about that team. I don't see why scum would ever vote up an all town mission since it wasn't clear who Silverika would choose. Though to be fair I bet this would have passed if you had just nominated yourself, lol. That world probably means TW is probably spy though, if you look at rtanisouls earlier posts when they said they would approve Grack/silverika/TW. And it would also mean that SL is town and that coming in occasionally to drop a turd of a post and then disappear is his most recent town play. | ||
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They don't seem to be very intent on emphasizing TWs godawfulness though and their reason for not thinking they are spy given later is : On February 04 2017 05:11 RtaniSoul wrote: Agreed though I feel better on sharkie than vivax. I'm also feeling pretty confident on a sl/superbia/ec team based on their general lack of caring when things appear to be going south, the former two moreso than ec though. Also the superbia poking at sl thing just feels so scum on scum to me and I don't think super/tw are scum together so that moves tw up. Vivax is very appropriately my tinfoil for if ec isn't maf. | ||
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as they went from top town on TW then said emc was mafia cause he included TW reason for not thinking he is spy given later is : | ||
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On February 04 2017 15:34 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really mind Sicklucker's "turd dropping activity". I just don't like that he's trying to portrays weird Silverika behavior as scum behavior when I think it's more likely to come from town when you think about it further. Just the last day should be proof enough silverika is town to ANYONE as they questioned the team they were on. | ||
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Literally had no idea whether you would approve or reject and that we should keep it secret is BS. We can't coordinate an entire town in thread to pretend to vote approve and then actually reject to uncover the spies. | ||
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However . I think this is a win/win situation for the spies too as they definitely managed to discredit at least my position. You are also sure the mission will fail by saying this and you don't really think about who you're gonna blame for it in your post. P.S. Vivax I hate you for not choosing yourself over me. ???? | ||
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On February 04 2017 18:23 sharkie wrote: No I don't think the mission will fail at all. Why should I think that? It has my best members on it.. If you had chosen yourself over me I would not be in that team! :p But how can you think you will be discredited if you think the mission will pass? | ||
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On February 04 2017 18:34 sharkie wrote: Because I am the least resistance guy out of us three. In %? | ||
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The votes just make it look like it won't but idk, maybe they lost all hope already. | ||
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On February 05 2017 10:06 Superbia wrote: Absolutely revolting way of approaching the game. Oh well. :D No need to approach the game in that way. It's simpler than that. You either think that sharkie is spy who passed and rtani is with him with someone else like TW. Tinfoil version. Or you think SL, EMC, and someone else like TW are spies. Sane version. Ofc you can still be spy as well but not accounted for above. | ||
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If the mission fails now for example it will at first glance look as if I was the cause, but it could also have been sharkie only passing on his first mission. If you then settle for townreading me still, we still won't know if rtaniSoul would be a safe pick, you would only get the confirmation that sharkie isn't. Whereas with the mission failing with rtaniSoul on it along with me, I would know exactly who to blame for it  | ||
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On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged. But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options. | ||
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So I'm trying to force a decision between you and me (in terms of alignment) in the eventuality of mission failure by requesting you to be on the team with me, along with two others who are very very likely resistance. It's pretty much the most sure way for me to be 100% on your alignment as I will be 100% convinced that you're spy if the mission fails. Besides I don't understand why you resist this suggestion so much if you are resistance and townreading me. According to your own beliefs, the mission should pass no? And since when did you become so waffly on Grack? | ||
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And since it's still a nomination that excludes emc/SL/superbia/TW, it's still a safe way to establish if we got sneakster spies or obvious spies. As the 4 above are the most distrusted ones in the game and this would clear at least one of them. | ||
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On February 06 2017 00:14 RtaniSoul wrote: you're sitting in your world of 'if this mission fails' then x,y,z we still think the most likely scenario is that all of sharkie, grack and silver are town. introducing you into that equation is a lesser certainty. for us we'd be happiest with us being added to the team instead of you xP Well if that's your most likely scenario, why doesn't it take into consideration that it's a team I nominated? | ||
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote: I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie. So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy. I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed. ~SilverWolf77 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My suggestion is competely unnecessary to make as spy, it's simply logical that the entire purpose of it is to see if the mission fails with rtanisoul on it as if it fails with sharkie on it, we still have 2 more spies to find. | ||
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On February 06 2017 14:18 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea why everyone loves me so much this game. Vivax's idea makes sense to me from his perspective. If he's super confident that Silver & I are town then he can use the team as a cop check on Rtanisoul, which would more or less solve the game for him. And I have no idea why you are deemed the king of shitposts. I like your style, it just lacks the humour you had back in GoT mafia. | ||
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If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. | ||
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That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do. This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie. | ||
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On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote: Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia? No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:01 sharkie wrote: Have you even read my posts at all? I put Grack onto my 100% resistance list. Do you refuse to read my posts or you do keep leaving out things intentionally? Also why wait for the mission outcome? Just address them now. I'm mostly referring to rtanisoul, no point of you passing first mission as spy if you don't use it to push the scenario where team 1 was all resistance, so it's obvious that it's your current argument. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote: No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that? How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote: You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb. It's not dumb if this mission fails  With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies. Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you. Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission." | ||
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Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:22 sharkie wrote: So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy? Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you? Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT. So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win? If you are resistance and think that Grack and Swika are resistance, why did I nominate an all resistance team in the first place? And why should I bother subbing rtanisoul in instead of you when as spy I would suffice? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:16 RtaniSoul wrote: You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory. Have it your way then. As team leader, I put a spy into the team. He lets it pass cause he'd be at risk if it fails. Everyone agrees on same team + previous leader. I request to take out the previous spy and replace it with you as resistance. Denied. If the team fails, as resistance you would know exactly who to blame: Me. Nobody is so bullheaded to not acknowledge that Grack and swika are simply town. Spies will only let a mission pass if they know that it will get them excluded for the rest of the game. During nomination phase, we all agreed on swika and Grack, and I even asked you who you think should be the third. You said: Sharkie or yourself. I chose sharkie. When I make a suggestion very similar to your previous one, where one of the three is someone you suggested previously, this happens: You refuse cuz being afraid of being on a failing team, which btw isn't in line with your thoughts on sharkie so far. | ||
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According to vote analysis one would conclude rtanisoul is town just cause they nay-voted a team with themselves on it. | ||
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If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul | ||
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On February 07 2017 22:02 sharkie wrote: I don't think you know how vote analysis works... In what world would nay-voting your own team be automatically considered resistance? In the same world yay voting a good team allows you to get credit or what? Thanks for unintentionally endorsing the point I was making. | ||
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-If you act this way then why did you accept the team in the first place?!- I was hoping it was an all town team but with super, SL playing a more conventional game again (which makes them look townier) and rtaniSoul suddenly spreading doubt among all mission members, it does increasingly look like a failure. I was planning on awaiting the outcome before posting further but you wanted me to adress points and rtaniSoul keeps trying to argue why they aren't spy when I do, so there you go. It's not like much changed as I was suspecting you of being spy with them before approving the mission. I just wanted to confirm it by putting them in instead of you. | ||
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I was under the impression rtaniSoul had a much stronger TR on Grack and Swika back when they approved. Now they say you and Grack are about equal. | ||
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During noms I asked rtanisoul who the third should be alongside grack and swika. They said sharkie or themselves. They didn't put a fight over sending Grack and Swika. So everything suggested that they trust them, right? At least it suggested it to me. Third candidate would be the risky one, and I thought that was the consensus. Yet when the mission is over and now we're contemplating the consequences of a failure, Grack and Swika are suddenly at the same level of suspiciousness as sharkie for them and that is something I disagree with and that doesn't look at all like it looked for them, back when I nominated. | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote: Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town. I also think Silver is town Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM. My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood. I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Care to explain? What you're calling my wifom now also was something you townread me for earlier. Wtf man? | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:39 RtaniSoul wrote: we're mafia.. with Vivax? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Same here that's the most WTF thing I saw today. What's the point of having this war as spies? Is spy win con now to not send each other on missions? | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective. Now: Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM. My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:51 Grackaroni wrote: I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie. Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie. Even then the same argument shouldn't lead to different conclusions for you. Unless you use it just to make up reads when they suit the moment ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | ||
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Vivax uses wifom when you townread him: You like it. Vivax uses wifom when you scumread him: He's scum. Who's scum here? | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote: Also, Grack, why am I mafia? You've created a scenario in which I could be a spy with Vivax based on how the votes went but there's no actual arguments for why I'm mafia in there. Yea explain why I put resistance sharkie instead of spy rtanisoul into a team for starters, and then proceed to argue my ass off with them all day. | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:17 RtaniSoul wrote: Stop piggybacking my arguments, it's unnerving I don't care it doesn't make sense as much to me as it does to you. Grack needs to bleed explanations now | ||
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On February 08 2017 03:32 RtaniSoul wrote: I'm going to laugh if this mission just ends up passing and the scumteam has been trolling us. I'd keep calling you spy just cause | ||
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On February 08 2017 09:07 sicklucker wrote: yep sicklucker silver grack and vivax are going on a mission. You do realize this will never pass, and not just cause of me. | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote: how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it? It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy | ||
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That's not a slam dunk argument for him being spy, but enough for me to vote exclude on missions with him + sharkie. + Show Spoiler + I'm honestly salty and I would approve a mission (no I wouldn't but I wish I could) with him + rtanisoul (unable to TR but might give it a shot) + swika (town) + TW (town) even if I'm sure it fails just to prove my point. sharkie + rtanisoul (unable to TR) + swika (town) + TW (town) is another option but if that fails it means that Gracks read switch on me was borderline gamethrowing and awful. Using a mission to prove that somebody is spy is now a luxury anyways, we got 2 more for each. So I've spoilered this cuz it's hypothtetical and not what I'm planning but if I had a mission cop check it would look like this, maybe subbing someone else in for rtanisoul as I see myself unable to trust them. I'd give a mission with you on it a shot SL but I think that you won't get enough approval and it's mostly cause I'm crazy and cause nobody ever raised his voice for you which would be odd if you were spy. I'll be the first. And now I'm back to square one with sharkie and won't approve anything with Grack on it either. Moral of the story: Rest of town has to figure out you, super, emc, TW. Gut wise I think you and TW are most town, followed by EMC, and of those superbia is most likely spy cause his vote analysis leads to nowhere and I believe only aims at proving himself town, not forming a team. Also his banter with rtanisoul annoys me. He never steps on anyones toes with his posts. | ||
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First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo? Do you know the difference between OR and AND? I have my doubts. | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:46 sharkie wrote: Are you using '+' as OR? If so, apologies then... I use '+' as AND... Well to make it clear I didn't mean to say that you are both spies. I just can't discern it now. But while I was sure at first that a failure would mean you are spy, Grack posting scumster/godawful posts like accusing me of wifom which he previously liked and saying I'm on a team with rtaniSoul made me indecisive between the two of you. | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:54 RtaniSoul wrote: Trying to do some VCA right now. The colours aren't related to alignment but based on patterns of voting. Most people vote fairly similarly, just EC, sharkie and superbia have stuck out. Votes: Superbia, why have you voted against every single team so far? EC, can you take us through your vote process? Tumble, what would you have voted on attempt 3 of mission 1 if you were there? None of the guys you marked red was even on the failing team ... You forgetting something or are those the red guys only based on vca | ||
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On February 08 2017 17:36 sicklucker wrote: are you sure your not just doing your standard conspiracy theory garbage Conspiracy theory garbage would be: I put sharkie as my spy man into the team. I don't make an all resistance team cause that's against wincon. I also advertise not putting the leader in as policy (until there's good reason to assume they're town) which is against spy wincon. He passes so I can get onto the next team. I ask to sub rtanisoul in to frame them when the mission fails. I spend all day arguing why sharkie my spy bud is spy. Grack comes in and I'm not only spy, I'm also spy with rtanisoul, I also nomed a team that was all resistance, and for some reason bussed a guy to death who was being covered heavily by a resistance rtaniSoul. Is this, gracks version, a version that makes any sense to you? You're free to disregard the self nom thingy as I can see why you would think I did it for cred. But the rest seems pretty convincingly like BS to me. | ||
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Feel free to put anyone townie you want instead of me then, watch it fail and let me enjoy confirmed town lyfe, cuz both sharkie and grack are opposing me and I can't be spy unless swika is spy. And I'm salty enough to take the risk to approve it. | ||
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On February 09 2017 00:47 sharkie wrote: What is wrong with you all? Suddenly Grack is everyone's favourite guy to hit upon? How can anyone turn from most trusted guy (wanted on the team by literally everyone) to the dumping ground of mistrust. And the most surprising thing out of all is how vivax and RT totally forgot their vendetta with each other and suddenly are best buddies (not saying that both of them are spies). I don't think I have ever seen anyone jump up so high in trust as vivax did while being in a failed mission. Everyone can imagine Grack being the mastermind from the shadows, manipulating everyone from day one. Yesterday most didn't even bother listening to what I was saying how good spies don't play it the conventional way and you believed that I have to be obvious spy 100% (with the exception of RT). If you can consider Grack being a spy then surely silver can be a spy too (not saying that they are but has to be kept in mind). Way too many people are ganging up on Grack (math wise). Also I even read how SL could be a possible resistance player, now that is one thing I cannot imagine at all. That guy doesn't care one bit about what is happening in the game. He doesn't even know who was sent out for the second mission.. Now I expect I get shit for defending Grack just like RT did yesterday for defending me... who would you sub in instead of me and if it fails, who is the spy? | ||
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I don't even know what all the fuss is about me sharkie is making, I asked him a clear question: Which team do you think would succeed, and since he's so convinced Grack is not mafia, would he still think that if the team failed without me on it and for example rtanisoul instead? Right now he's just flailing at me getting TR and grack scumread. What point is there, where does he want to lead? Just don't add me on the team then or don't approve teams with me on it, I'm perfectly fine not being on a team as long as I think it will succeed. But with what you're doing you aren't providing solutions. | ||
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Could it be super + sharkie are both spy and the reason they passed the first mission was that their only out was to both scumread swika, so when the second mission failed their only out is to scumread me? | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:51 sharkie wrote: I'd guess you mean grack+me, not super? If that were the case I am pretty sure one of us would have played the total scapegoat and the other the loyal resistance player... yea grack + you. Thinking of super as spy as well so I made a freudian slip there | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:51 sharkie wrote: I'd guess you mean grack+me, not super? If that were the case I am pretty sure one of us would have played the total scapegoat and the other the loyal resistance player... No cause you'd still have passed the first mission and there was no reason to. | ||
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Or Grack/you/superbia atm. SL has earned himself a yolo townread from me. But don't ask me why it's all guts. | ||
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Sorry I'm just really trying to figure out for a day who you would actually send on a mission cause all I see is you being completely hung up on this grack/me thingy. On February 09 2017 01:18 Vivax wrote: who would you sub in instead of me and if it fails, who is the spy? Also this. | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:21 RtaniSoul wrote: where do you stand on tumble, viva? i notice he's not on there as lex was very annoyingly pointing out, which would imply you think he's town, but we don't have a similar read on tumble (or any certainty of anything at all regarding him lol ><) so why? i'd say what lex already told me he thinks your reason is but i'd rather hear it from you than assume ^^ Old reasons: He has me successfully pocketed by calling me and swika super town all the time. His lists don't look too shabby. Bad reasons but those were the reasons. Reasons after I checked his filter again: Also he lacks self promotion, he just kinda sits there hoping to get picked up without pushing himself while analyzing the game from his PoV. | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:32 sharkie wrote: I am sorry I am just fed up atm because silver is totally misunderstanding me... I did answer both your questions you know? Who I would sub instead of you and also who I would send out for the next team... Well I might be missing it but I have no idea who your suggestion for team spy is. Me/?/? | ||
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Since I am running out of people to add in the team, currently if I had to nominate a team I'd propose: RtaniSoul/Sharkie/Silverika/Super This is the closest I find to you actually broadening your horizon in this game. It leaves the following open: Why not TW? Why not SL? Why not emc? Why is super resistance? Can you cook up a team without yourself in it? | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:40 sharkie wrote: EC asked me that yesterday and my answer hasn't changed yet. EC or TL / vivax / SL That means you will disapprove any team that doesn't have you, grack and superbia in it. That's all I needed to know. | ||
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Sharkie said he won't approve teams without grack himself and super, who coincidentially are also one of my possible spy teams. What does Grack say? Will he also only approve teams with himself, sharkie and superbia? | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:12 sharkie wrote: Sharkie/grack/super would mean none of ec/sl/tw is a spy... You'd practically have the worst resistance players ever, vivax.. Surely you cannot imagine that happening? I am not the only person, nor the first person who has found tons of bad play from them. I don't think in good/bad, I think in resistance/not resistance, and know one of you or grack is scum for sure, maybe both. You should also think one of me/grack is spy for sure if you were resistance so why doesn't it feel like that in this post? | ||
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SL was obviously tilted at being completely at the bottom at the beginning but then came back and kept playing and seems more confident, EC is the hardest for me to crack as he doesn't really try to get into conversations and I've only slightly ever seen him argue with people, quite like super. But I think that by now TW should have a good degree of readability and I don't see why one would come to the conclusion that he's bad, and not spy or res. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:24 sharkie wrote: What do you mean it doesn't feel like that in this post? I barely posted two sentences o.O Your entire post is aimed at making me believe sharkie/grack/super is impossible when I KNOW that 1-2 of them are spies cause the mission failed. And I don't know why you would make me want to believe that if you KNEW that I was spy cause you're so sure that grack is town. And even if you aren't sure, then you still wouldn't post that cause I included Grack in my team. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:32 sharkie wrote: Really? Then silver, rt and me must be bad players by your standards. I don't even know what I'm supposed to answer to this, I don't want to discuss my standards. What do you want? | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:44 RtaniSoul wrote: Alright. Vivax, Silverika, Grack, can you link the best scumgames you've ever played? (and with a list of your scumbuddies if it's not obvious in the OP). My most recent were not godawful at least, I even mislynched HF in one of them http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia?user=Vivax http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513523-haunted-mansion-3?user=Vivax&page=8 | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:53 Silverika wrote: Well let's see: First silver has basicly been shit on by sevral players Second we gave the scum games and then they don't get read Third, both me and silver have no tolatance anymore we expected this game to maybe be a week or two not a god damn month Fourth, nobody has really been trying to narrow anything down and instead turns into this piss fight on how one must play Faith, both me and silver are fucking tired. I'm working overnights and silver is still dealing with radiation for her cancer so we have like no tolarance anymore You both get mad respect from me for playing mafia with that pressure, and on top of it a really good game. | ||
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On February 10 2017 05:03 RtaniSoul wrote: Oh wow you went after marv and shat on JAT on the first link. I'm impressed. Do pay attention to time stamps though | ||
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On February 08 2017 14:27 Vivax wrote: You do realize this will never pass, and not just cause of me. with 1/1 score I don't mind going back to a war of attrition and with RtaniSoul being the last team leader, it's up to the spies to hurry to get a team through | ||
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Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case. My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy? | ||
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On February 11 2017 23:24 Grackaroni wrote: If this team fails then the spy is super or sharkie. So you put in two people you aren't even sure about? K | ||
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Also noted that you lazily call all arguments against you omgus. There is no rule that says that the first to accuse is more right or more resistance. Fact of the matter is, you are pushing the notion I nominated an all town team when I knew Swika would include me into the next team. Fact of the matter also is that RtaniSoul was helping sharkie back when you changed your read, and it wasn't the entire thread attacking him, it was mostly just me. | ||
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On February 12 2017 00:52 Grackaroni wrote: My belief is that Sharkie is more likely town than you. I'll call it OMGUS if the argument is literally "he was town reading me and then he accused me." Yeah I am - minus the last part because you aren't a fucking mind reader and they never suggested a team until after the first mission passed and you gained cred from selecting the pasing mission. You & Silver were both very confident that the scum was Sharkie and you were both connecting him with Artanisoul. I don't see why I wouldn't just let you guys fuck each other up rather than coming up with a theory that pissed all 3 of you off. Your read is worse than OMGUS because you try to make it look like it was some great opportunity for me to turn on you at that moment when it was actually the opposite. Who needs to read minds when I can just read posts? I asked active players who they thought should go on a team, oh look: On February 02 2017 18:30 Silverika wrote: You could put yourself, Rtani, and us or yourself Rtani, and Super. I think you said you had unresolved issues with those two? Or maybe yourself, Grack, and us. ~SilverWolf77 And you would not let us fuck up each other when you're spy with sharkie, simples. And if he isn't you're trying to portray the first team as all town and get on further missions. Also simple, and already mentioned. You can stop repeating questions now. | ||
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Swika + RtaniSoul + SL + TW I'm fairly sure that this passes. Then you add me and the game is wrapped up. All troublesome choices like Grack/sharkie/super/emc are excluded. This is the only team I'll ever approve. | ||
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On February 12 2017 04:23 RtaniSoul wrote: Why are you so sure on SL/TW being town? Cause I'm so sure that the spies are spies | ||
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I don't want to put more work into this game, I feel like the idiot who's trying hard while 50 % just slack off and still don't acknowledge what you're doing. | ||
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If the answer is yes, scumread me and also go buy a tinfoil hat. If the answer is no, townread me and scumread Grack or sharkie or both. That's where I'm at. Until you answer this, any other questions are a waste of time. I want to make this game more straightforward. | ||
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On February 12 2017 05:37 RtaniSoul wrote: Vivax, I may not be asking these questions just to get a read on you but also because I could use the help actually reading them. I admit I have the luxury of being this confident cause I know I cannot be spy. But that's why I'm pointing you towards that question. Just let Gracks version of events seep in and ask yourself if that is really, really what I would do, as it's the opposite of the path of least resistance, no pun intended. | ||
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And SL doesn't have particularly refined post but you can see that he cares about the game, and draws the right conclusions. The last team was probably all town. Same for TW. TW also started playing a more...obfuscated?passive style of town compared to when he started out here. Then you add PoE with a sharkie grack emc super spy combination, and the reasons above are enough for you to trust SL and TW to be resistance. | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:06 sharkie wrote: SL carees about the game? Since when? All he did since the fail was to put a team with him in it and asking us to accept it based on "come on resistance players, just go yolo mode" Do you think a townie wouldn't say this in his position? On February 10 2017 05:53 sicklucker wrote: what yes i do. you just said a read I gave already. "vivax has never mantained this activity as scum" I literraly said that a few pages ago. I have said plenty of good things this game, people have just choose not to listen from early pretexts probably much incuraged by fucking scum On February 10 2017 05:54 sicklucker wrote: which in turn makes me not try very hard because whats the point? | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:29 Superbia wrote: Vivax' theory falls apart on the votes alone. Last team was all town on the votes alone. | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:32 Superbia wrote: Dude how the hell do you explain grack and sharkie in a team and no fail vote? You don't even read the fucking game why should I reply to you. I even made a nice list post | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:03 Superbia wrote: Nobody?  See you at the next deadline? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:05 sharkie wrote: So vivax, was this team all resistance as well? lol You lack comprehension | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: Hey I kinda behind on my reading because I didn't expect to replace in lol. Anyways will catch up soon. Don't worry you don't have to do much everyone already solved the game just approve RtaniSoul/Swika/yourself/SL and we win the game ez | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:24 Grackaroni wrote: lol I have been thinking of this one and also considering just you town and Sharkie mafia because you're making more effort than you usually do as scum. (For the you/Sharkie I remembered that both of you were trying to put Artanisoul in the new team in place of the other.) I'm pretty tired of running in circles with my reads though after every time I argue with someone. And I think that scum has to have some kind of carry right now to encourage so many people not making any effort to get on a team, and I'm not really convinced that Sharkie is enough to get behavior like this. The "scum morale is high so someone townie looking must be scum, so this townie guy is scum" is a terrible argument to scumread someone. You can apply it to anyone looking townie. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:32 sharkie wrote: Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy? Currently the TW slot but I'm gonna see what LS cooks up | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:32 sharkie wrote: Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy? Since you asked me the question it's only fair you ask him the same question. Why did Grack disapprove his own team? I can play this game too you know. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:29 RtaniSoul wrote: And then Tina reminds me that Vivax making sense = Vivax is scum. Sorry bro, the gig's up. Fine, the tinfoil's on you then. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:42 Grackaroni wrote: 0 votes = all town dude. You confirmed it earlier. You and sharkie are absolutely incapable of reading context. I was making fun of superbia's reasoning (yes, precisely that reasoning you say I used). If you read some more posts after you will see . | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:32 Vivax wrote: That means votes alone are good for nothing. You, superbia and sharkie are just a bunch of shitters really. Impossible to believe you are not spies. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:51 LightningStrike wrote: After reading some filters I think EC is confirmed scum. He hasn't done anything useful plus his stuff on page and 2 in his filter look really bad with trying to change his nomination. Sharkie's filter looks okay but however knowing it was Chairman Ray's slot probably is scum on that rule alone Superbia looks okayish atm but flailed pretty hard at points. Lex/Tina Hydra idk how I am going to read them since I don't have a good reading record on Lex but decent one on Tina. will see if I can talk to Tina to get better read on her/Lex's slot. Vivax looks townie with his directing people and being a bit bold on the first nomination. Plus he brought up a good point on EC's slot at the time with it being a double replacement slot. Lol this is BS I said that people were not supposed to judge EC just based on him getting 2 x replaced. Given you're scumreading him you should reach the opposite conclusion. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:52 sharkie wrote: Well obvious it's important to ask the person who nominates the team why he decided to nayvote it? Also vivax, since the day of the nomination of the 2nd mission all you have done in this game is to hurl insults to people. It started with me, changed then to rtani, progressed to grack and has now reached super. How about you start trying to prove your innocence with facts other than "hey come on, do you really think that is how I would play the game as a spy" or insults. I don't think you answered any of my questions back then during mission 2 voting process. You were too busy calling rt and me a spy team. It's equally insulting to get misrepped all the time by people who pretend to read your posts. You want me to feel sorry? You get NOTHING, good day sir. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:58 LightningStrike wrote: I meant in context it was a good thought................ Not really a thought, more of a piece of advice. But fine. It just seemed odd to me that you scumread EC on one hand and then TR me for what could be called a soft defense. | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:13 LightningStrike wrote: Myself, Vivax, Superbia, and You/Lex. I know my alignment. Vivax looks townie to me. Superbia looks okay and would willing to test to see if the mission gets sabotaged by him. Same thing about you/Lex although your waffling is starting to be a bit townish for you Tina? Lacks Swika, I don't like it | ||
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On February 13 2017 04:23 Superbia wrote: Regardless, if this mission fails I'm going to have an even more unfun game lol. If this mission fails you look much better. If it passes too. | ||
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Then the game ends and we get endgamed by RtaniSoul/Swika/Superbia In all seriousness though. I just say, be careful. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:11 RtaniSoul wrote: If the spy team is one of the plausible combinations you may send me an mvp award. I think it's Grack/sharkie/Emc given how superbia acted lately, which I liked | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:34 sharkie wrote: First of all, none of these traits fit to grack/vivax/me. His read strength and arguments definitely did not match up when he accused you You will need to walk people through with quotations if you want to convince them when they have known how I play for years. Btw RtaniSoul I'm not sure who you refer to when you say it makes no sense. | ||
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For information, and cause I wanted to see the people scumreading me squirming when they had to change their read on me for my vote. | ||
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LS however was more or less the hammer vote. If Swika isnt spy, then no spy voted yes in my scenario however. So in theory this should pass. | ||
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On February 14 2017 08:04 Silverika wrote: EC voting against makes me feel better about the team. However, Vivax voting against worries me that if he's a spy who failed it, he's setting us up to take the fall when a failure would confirm him as a spy to us and we'd expect him to blame us. With the vote against, when he's not scumreading anyone on it, and him saying if it fails it's us, being the perfect setup and the perfect way to marginalize heavily townread players. I'm really bothered now but on the other hand, the game sitting here in such a stagnate state for too much longer would not be good. Still really bothered by Vivax no. I'd feel a lot better if it was a yes. If Vivax is spy, sharkie and grack would be Town. Let's just hope I'm being paranoid. ~SW The dream is that all town rejects and all spies out themselves by approving when one of them is on the team. I thought this could be one of those missions as it looked like it would be approved. And yes, given that we got exactly the minimum amount of votes for this to pass, it's either exactly sharkie Grack emc, or I need to suspect the people approving this (although probably never RtaniSoul just for effort). | ||
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And the Grack + sharkie theory haters can eat salt afterwards. | ||
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On February 14 2017 20:24 sharkie wrote: Oh that makes perfect sense as I have had that feeling in this thread the last couple of days. I mean I haven't had a single clear answer to my question way back (question to everyone): How would you have played the game as vivax if your teammates are the worst players in the game? Probably just like I have described in my theory no? Whenever I do something townie you say it's a creative play I did that to appear as spy. I nominate all town team (according to you) -> I'm spy. I vote against a team I'm in when it looks like it would pass, and also try to get people to think about their vote carefully -> I'm spy. You have clearly shut yourself against ever treating anything I do as resistance. When I do something a spy would do, I'm spy. When I do something a spy wouldn't do, I'm spy cause I did that to appear resistance. Nice last 7 pages btw I'm loving all of it. It's making me dangle on Grack, still kind of hard to believe he stopped reading me accurately. | ||
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On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote: This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail. Yea I forgot that tbh. As for strategic move, super didn't have that much choice. Who else besides himself and SL could he put in if he goes with the theory that I'm not scum? Literally only TW/LS and emc. And he was pressured into putting SL in instead. As I already said, I didn't have that pressure. You disagree, but it looked to me very much like I'd be on the next team if mine got rejected. Btw I want a stance on you how you realize that you have to at least revisit your read on me while sharkie doesn't. It's one of the things I aimed for when I voted reject. | ||
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Grack chooses to remain pants on head on sharkie although the points against him keep getting more stacked and stacked by multiple people that can't all be spies. | ||
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On February 15 2017 01:01 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think you're one to talk. You kept suggesting me/sharkie being a scum team. Who says this about their teammate when everybody is scum reading both of them? It seems like a pretty obvious town spew if he's mafia. I don't aggressively push one scenario .In my list post I listed three scenarios that are all still possible in my mind, although the third one started to seem more likely. I don't think that your posts look scummy by appearance, just your stances. That's the contrast that makes me doubt the read. I scumread you for your stance and I felt reinforced when you first liked, then called my interpretation of team 1 scummy. Which you said is no argument and I only made up quickly. Call it what you want but it's a fact and in my opinion it's not particularly townie to do. | ||
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On February 15 2017 01:23 Grackaroni wrote: Do you think Rtanisoul is capable of this kind of play as mafia? Or do you think it has to be Sicklucker? I think he is putting in needless effort if spy when almost the entire town already trusts them. I consider one of my scum traits to be that I only put in work when necessary and never go out of my way to outperform everyone else in effort. So I'm kinda judging him by my own standard, and he's not known to be HF tier scum. The only distortion we have here is that it's a hydra so it's not hard to contribute twice as much as a single person. What's noteworthy though is that on the Swika hydra I think it's mostly SW posting. But I'm not willing to consider them to be spies atm, so probably a moot point | ||
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On February 15 2017 01:23 Grackaroni wrote: Do you think Rtanisoul is capable of this kind of play as mafia? Or do you think it has to be Sicklucker? I don't know why you are assuming that the mission is a failure even. Elaborate? | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:09 Superbia wrote: o well. Include me or die in a fire. I deserve to be on the team. Would you feel bad if we won the game without you being on a team? | ||
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On February 11 2017 20:42 Vivax wrote: Well my three scenarios are:
Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case. My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy? | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:44 Grackaroni wrote: We Pronoun Used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together. Example sentence: "Shall we have a drink?" Source - Google. Should we concede Grack? Fuck emc rite? | ||
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On February 15 2017 20:28 RtaniSoul wrote: i don't know that there even is a mechanism to concede when spies don't share a qt lol >< you do understand, however, that if the current mission fails, assuming that silver is in fact resistance and ec is in fact a spy, that we just switch out vivax, sl and super for you, grack and ls, and we win. literally the last two spies would have to be on the failed mission we've won lol >< maybe they think they can wifom us into losing. town derps all the time. but we've won as long as don't wig out and do something stupid and personally, at least where lex and i stand, short of a major revelation...we can't really fathom ec actually being town this game and playing this way. nor can we wrap our minds around a scum silver. it's done! the game is over ^^ -bounces- maybe all that's needed for spies to concede, if in fact they actually can, is for us to make it crystal clear to them that they've lost any opportunity to win ... I'm not approving this team btw. Need more time and I'm not super super confident that the game is in the bag already. | ||
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On February 15 2017 23:34 RtaniSoul wrote: Why not? The only way we don't instawin here with this team is if one of me and silver is a spy or EC is resistance. Why would either of us not have failed the last mission? Yeh I'm approving. Sharkie/Grack/emc is my final call. | ||
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On February 16 2017 01:02 sharkie wrote: Yeah remember my reason for vivax spymaster theory? I have a hard time remembering things that propagate obvious untruths. | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:50 LightningStrike wrote: I am town this game :o f Besides I just finished a game. :o | ||
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On February 16 2017 06:38 emperorchampion wrote: Sorry all had a hell of a last few days We have good news for you. We decided to put you on a mission and it passed! | ||
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Well played, for a first game you were very good. Sucks that 2/3 of your team were full of replacements. Can't judge them all one by one, but you deserve the spy MVP. This should get rid of the rumour that Grack is good at reading me Well written flavour by the way! | ||
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On February 16 2017 08:40 Grackaroni wrote: I said it was you in the last obs too in the HF scum game lol. One of these days you're going to outperform your scum meta, and nobody is going to see it coming. Except for one solitary Grackaroni, who never stopped believing. Broken clocks and all that | ||
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