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On January 27 2017 07:13 Superbia wrote: And now gonna go sleep :D The first post didn't make you conf town but in combination with the second one, we have mindmelded and I am left with no option but to consider you part of the resistance. | ||
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Tina found it important to add that. Personally, I think she's a silly one. | ||
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On January 27 2017 17:50 Superbia wrote: Care to elaborate on this a little, Artanis(?)? You popped in just to go to bed, as did I. Since we're town obviously that means you're town too! | ||
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On January 27 2017 17:55 Superbia wrote: Here's the format I suggest we take btw. We have 2 real days for the leader to decide a mission. I strongly suggest That the leader of the mission comes up with a "draft" team halfway through the game day (i.e. within 24 hours of day start). In that way, we have time to discuss the choices the leader wants to make and the leader can defend them (or perform changes and elaborate on them). Sounds good to me. we'll be gone from 4pm to ~10:30pm though. | ||
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On January 27 2017 18:09 Superbia wrote: Ok some more rules that I believe will help town: 1. Team leader must post a draft team within 12 hours. 2. People claim to vote for any kind of information reasons are automatically scum. 3. If there is any kind of doubt at the end of the day, or the leader is "afk" or not very responsive, VOTE NO. 2 and 3 are dumb. There are situations in which you can fuck with scum by voting no for info whilst pretending you're going to vote yes and the other way around and town does that much more often than scum. Also, sometimes people just can't be around, especially for 24-hour phases. | ||
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On January 27 2017 18:10 Superbia wrote: Usually I am the one that tries to buddy you up early (as town) and you're more distant and observing (as with regards to my alignment). What has changed? You're taking me too seriously? | ||
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On January 27 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote: Since the 12 hour deadline is approaching. What would be your draft team at this point in time? I still have no clue. I'm generally inclined to say the first team doesn't matter so I may just RNG it. | ||
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On January 27 2017 18:23 Superbia wrote: I still don't think if this is some bluff or if you genuinely think the first team should be RNGed. But I am triggered. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pb8Jw2m.gif) | ||
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On January 27 2017 19:01 Silverika wrote: Why is he town? In regard to draft, can you explosion the choices or did you really do an rng? I did not RNG. | ||
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On January 27 2017 19:19 Silverika wrote: Yes, but I know I'm town so I'm fine being on the mission. I am more curious about why someone with only one post this game like Tumblewood? I understand why you'd pick yourself, obviously. ~SilverWolf77 I'm curious if anyone else figures it out first so I can give them free town points. | ||
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also i guess i'm not town :/ cause i don't get free town points for getting what he's doing although i kinda like tumble anyway he's not making sense a sense making tumble is so not town lol >< also, hi hts! also >> super...trying soooo hard. not sure what to make of it. first impulse, town, second impulse wtf, third impulse wobble wobble...also, get a sense of humor yup there, i read. now back to kosovo | ||
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@.@ why do i always confuse those two i think it was a bf disregard then he's a loose cannon! <- referring to the Rtani not the not-participating bf...or the tumble | ||
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i can be town again! \o/ | ||
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also, echo calix. i kiiiinda soooorta get the gist of the sl/silver thing but at this point it feels more like a miscommunication gone worse/overdramatized and not very interesting super could be. with no sense of humor lol >< i do believe that's possible and perhaps even likely also, sorry in advance calix for the uphill climb you've got with us now  neither of us is certain we'd recognize a town calix if we saw it and despite alternative viable explanations, HtS abandoning us does not have a pretty gut response lol. we'll try to keep open minds | ||
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On January 27 2017 22:43 Superbia wrote: I agree that I should be on the first team. And all teams. -pats on head- | ||
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On January 27 2017 22:49 Calix wrote: I looked at the TW post and aside from him saying "lol this game's easy" I don't get where you're coming from. Is that scummy for him? lol I haven't played with either of you two before so I don't know how to read your slot But it's pretty clear that HTS replaced out for RL reasons so dunno why that would be something you'd consider wrt me.-shrugs- RL reasons can hit both alignments, but i've played enough to know that they tend to be invoked more when your desire to play is lower. usually scum. this is really not the part where you argue. this is the part where i (we, but perhaps more i than he) admit to a bias, you go okay don't agree but i'll bust my townie ass for you so that you can't doubt me, and we move forward ^^ i'm hardly obligated to acknowledge biases lol it's clearly an effort to let you know what you're up against from this corner if you are town so we can win despite me that aside what? xP i said non-sensical tumbles are often town, then recanted when i realized i was thinking of non-sensical boxerfreds rather than than tumbles. there's nothing there to ask about. unless you're wondering why he's on lex's proposed team at which point i say...townie test...but perhaps a bad one will you be the first contestant to try her hand? | ||
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On January 27 2017 22:48 Superbia wrote: Let's just exclude the following people from all teams: - TW - Calix - Grack - CR this may actually be were i begin to townread you. without lex's blessing but whatevs xP he's too busy playing heroes. i think. i'm supposed to be studying >> this is why i don't mafia anymore lol | ||
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On January 27 2017 22:57 Calix wrote: Hell no am I putting in more effort just because of someone else. Yeah I am wondering why TW's on the team. i'm considering expanding the townie test to include reading comprehension ^^ sadly in the past that has also proved to be not very reliable lol | ||
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On January 27 2017 23:02 Vivax wrote: Superbia/me/TBD seems like a pretty good team. What are you studying now? Also try stealing his ethernet cable when he does that he isn't allowed to play anything but resistance now. Don't make me come down there and steal all your schnitzels | ||
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On January 27 2017 23:02 Vivax wrote: Superbia/me/TBD seems like a pretty good team. What are you studying now? Also try stealing his ethernet cable when he does that he isn't allowed to play anything but resistance now. he might beat me though o.0 international relations. specifically kosovo and the time-honored should we/shouldn't we employ military intervention debate was it legal? wasn't it? should it be? lol >< shoot me now. the topic is interesting until you spend all day reading about it | ||
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oh, lex says i have authority xD how much time do we have left? | ||
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short version: silverika lex has a townread on for the way he's responded to a few people, including sl (i'm deferring to him on that cause no real opinion), and i like super, so suggestion is: RtaniSoul, silverika, Super lex thought including tumble might give more insight on tumble's nominations (yes, that was the great townie test >>) idk personally how valuable a strat that is. my experience with resistance is pretty slight. but assuming he's right on silverika it would probably tell us something random other bit, lex thinks sl may be town for *bad* reasons lol ^^ so he's in our slight column somewhere if we were keeping better track >> | ||
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##nominate: RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia | ||
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On January 28 2017 03:49 Vivax wrote: It's always safe to send yourself cuz of the "i know im town argument" duh. -shrugs- won't argue strategy with you, but suffice to say that wouldn't be very bright of us lol in your world more interested in sharkie's response...cheerleader dude beginning to get to me :/ | ||
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On January 28 2017 04:05 Grackaroni wrote: Because it makes for great suspense. Plus you (or your partner) mentioned that it would sometimes make sense for town to lie about how they're going to vote. The same reasons would apply for me keeping my vote a secret. did he? i don't read the swill he writes ^^ i suppose i can ask him when he gets back from his mother's, though -flicks things at viva- then i expect you to have a reason not to trust us that doesn't involve us putting ourselves on the first team, since by your own admission that means nothing whatsoever for our alignment did i miss where you said a grouping you would trust? cause i'm more interested in that than whatever dumbassery this is lol >< | ||
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On January 28 2017 04:21 Vivax wrote: Seems like a stupid question tbh, both alignments want that, and that's why I don't want that. So no, I won't suggest myself when I nominate unless others widely recognized my alignment. For the information value. ...yeah actually i will discuss it. what, exactly, makes it better for you as 'town' to not be part of a team that ends up sabotaging rather than to be part of the team? except to not be included in the resulting suspicion, anyway | ||
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On January 28 2017 04:43 sharkie wrote: Why not? 6 of us are good and its very unlikely that a spy is in the initial team. You also gave good valid reasons for choosing the team. silver did? what makes you say that it's unlikely for a spy to be in the initial team? | ||
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On January 28 2017 04:56 Vivax wrote: Cause if we accept self nomination widely any spy can include themselves for no reason other than "im town duh". I want leaders to have a better reason than that. yeah that's really a shit reason, viva if you're town and you put yourself on a team you accomplish two things: 1) minimizing the pool of suspects if the mission is sabotaged, and 2) increasing the chances that there is no possibility of sabotage i bet you can guess where 'appeasing a viva whose alignment i don't even know' falls in terms of priority there lol >< again, you're going to need a better reason to scumread us than what is by your definition null more importantly, who do YOU think should be on the first mission if not us? this is just naysaying | ||
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the fact that scum could use the argument that they're town to put themselves on a team just means that you ignore that argument, not that you concoct some bs where you don't pass anyone who puts themselves on a team because they did that so i'll ask again, and i do expect real answers 1) do you have any reason at all to think we're scum other than putting ourselves on a team? and 2) who would you have go on the mission other than us? | ||
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On January 28 2017 05:24 Vivax wrote: I'm very comfy with nay saying until I get a better grip on the game. Aggressively pushing a specific team is very much spy play. who would you have go on the mission other than us? | ||
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On January 28 2017 05:36 Vivax wrote: Dunno yet :> But secretly you wish I would say: myself lol frankly i don't care. i want you to say something. i'm still trying to decide if this is normal viva retarded or actually scummy. it would be hella nice if you weren't frequently incomprehensible to me as town, you know. then i could just write you off here and now ^^ | ||
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On January 28 2017 05:59 Vivax wrote: To me it just keeps looking like you care too much that I don't want you to be on the team. It's scummy. As resistance, why would you care so much that someone is hung up on not sending a specific person? take off your viva tinfoil hat for a moment and put on rsoul shoes...a viva comes along saying something that doesn't make a lick of sense and says nothing else. what conclusions do you come to? that's why i'm pushing you who else wouldn't you send? | ||
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On January 28 2017 06:11 Vivax wrote: Anyone besides silverika and superbia for the moment. lol >< okay, so you're doing a smash-up job at useless right now. let's try a different tact what do you think of the cheerleader guy whose name i can't remember that replaced in for...i think it was chairman ray? i'm not asking alignment; i'm asking analysis | ||
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On January 28 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote: The analysis is that he seems to not be concerned about that team being infiltrated and that could make him spy. Makes sense with you being on that team. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/7rwyj.jpg) yeeeeaaah that was my read on it, too :/ | ||
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On January 28 2017 06:36 Vivax wrote: In all seriousness tho I'm not super hung up on you being spy it's just that I don't feel like trusting you yet. And you being so stubborn about wanting me to TR you achieves the opposite. lol this may surprise you but i really don't care. i just wanted you to talk about something i could actually get a read on or, probably more accurately, lex could sl is absentish, which is more scummy than townie for him calix i have reason not to trust grack...rubbed me wrong with you actually lol >< but that's pretty preliminary just leaves me with super and then lex's read...i'd rather be further | ||
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though i don't actually see the problem with super spending a friday night out and then going to bed tumble xP it's more the cheerleader (at least for me) and i think lex is townreading a lot of people not on the team like tumble and possibly (not certain) grack aaannnyyywwaaay | ||
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"we should post...but i'm gonna go shower" not a mindreader pfffttt | ||
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On January 28 2017 20:56 RtaniSoul wrote: yeah we're probably rejecting this lol >< though i don't actually see the problem with super spending a friday night out and then going to bed tumble xP it's more the cheerleader (at least for me) and i think lex is townreading a lot of people not on the team like tumble and possibly (not certain) grack aaannnyyywwaaay I'm not necessarily townreading grack >> he's making sense and I'm not used to him making sense so I have no idea what it means. | ||
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I'm saying that if he is, the team is clean because he's so in-your-face with his support that it wouldn't make much sense for him to connect himself so much to the team if there's scum on it. | ||
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On January 29 2017 07:13 sharkie wrote: Ah so I see who voted what after all only the voting itself is hidden since we cannot simulate simultaneous voting ok! So why did so many people vote against the team? Especially artanis as he was the one who chose the team in the first place? o.o 24 hours between nominating a team and voting We changed our minds. Not too certain on Superbia, and we're feeling pretty good on Tumble coming up next. We also thought the team wouldn't go through unless mafia would vote in favour of it. The votes actually make me feel better on Superbia and we may yay vote it next time. Tina's less certain on Superbia. | ||
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On January 29 2017 07:31 sharkie wrote: Ah well kinda a mix of both. First team is full chance anyway and I feel pretty good with 6 good guys and only 3 spies. I am actually quite sad that this was not approved. Any chance TW is going to vote the same team again? Pretty please!Are you up for adoption? | ||
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i kinda like my demotivated spy team theory ^^ | ||
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yup. last post of the sl, well before the nomination phase ended. though he must have at least been here sometime in the last 24 hours to reject the team...granted, our nomination was the post after this, but still | ||
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On January 30 2017 02:20 Tumblewood wrote: for once in your life could you explain why you don't like the team Clearly they're not cute enough. | ||
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Tumblewood Silverika Superbia Vivax sharkie Grackaroni sicklucker Calix Tina says she doesn't think sicklucker can pull himself out of the hole he's in. She can see Calix pull herself out of the hole maybe if she tries really hard whilst I scumread her a little harder just for a lot of circumstancial shit. | ||
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On January 30 2017 03:53 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina's also waffling on Superbia. Something about not liking being wrong thus hedging. possibly being wrong >< you're not sure you're right yet! | ||
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i'd also like why you don't like that group, sharkie, if it's not too much to ask | ||
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On January 30 2017 04:40 Vivax wrote: I'm rejecting the team cuz superbia and silverika aren't on it. They are my strongest reads. I'm requesting calix and SL to step up activity, I can't read them for crap like this. I also very much like rtanisouls list except that superbia would be higher in mine, and grack is more of a null for the point he made about tumblewood which seemed perceptive to me, but can come from spies as well I guess. Here's my suggestion that doesn't have me in it. superbia/silverika/tumble My next step would be to ask rtanisoul if they're fine with this. i'm good with that...and i don't see why lex wouldn't be since i'm less sure about super than he is ^^ @sharkie: fair lol >< not sure exactly what you mean by the last bit but not trusting tumble is reason enough @grack: lex is better able to describe it than me; he's the one who noticed you acting differently, then you lightened up after he mentioned it, at least to my perception | ||
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On January 30 2017 04:46 Grackaroni wrote: I would be ok with a team of Artisoul/Ikawolf/Tumblewood though we both like this one best lol >< obv | ||
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On January 30 2017 04:53 Grackaroni wrote: lol I went to filter Superbia and found this: I can't really explain why but he doesn't give me good feels. He seems different from the Host's revenge game. His posts are less chill. Stop it, you're making me waffle | ||
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On January 30 2017 04:56 Grackaroni wrote: I'm unsure whether I've done too much shit posting or not enough shit posting. I look forward to hearing about it when he gets back. Not enough shitposting this game. You've been much more useful than I'm used to! | ||
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On January 30 2017 18:01 Superbia wrote: Rso, why are you waffling on me? Like can you elaborate a bit on how you read me? She's not gonna be here until close to deadline unless she checks in from work/uni, in which case, bad Tina. From what I could gather it mostly had to do with your sudden absence but she (mostly?) liked your return. | ||
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On January 30 2017 17:56 Superbia wrote: TW are you still mafia reading me? I love how pretty much everyone is townreading both TW and myself and nobody gives a shit that we're scumreading each other. Nice ANALysis. We figure you'll get your head out of your ass eventually xP Tumble is pretty damn town. He's just on it this game with lots of bretty good observations. | ||
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On January 30 2017 19:43 Superbia wrote: He feels very floaty. Nothing he says seems solid and I have a feeling he has no actual reads. His interaction with vivax feels pockety at best. I find it weird that you townread him so hard even though he has put a lot of doubt (imo) on both myself and wolf, both of whom are your other townreads. He also put doubt on yourself. And then he mafia-reads into consensus reads + myself. I don't have to agree with his reads to see a town thought process in them. He's just gotten to the bottom of things a lot. Pointing out Vivax was throwing shade on us for a null point, consistent with it regarding silver, actually townreads vivax despite giving reasons he could potentially use to scumread him making me feel like he's really not worried about 'fabricating' reads/using everything to the max. Superbia got a lot of TR's early on but he doesn't feel pressured to go with the flow. If TW's a spy here and Superbia is town I really don't see him going after Superbia without anyone backing him up. TW doesn't afraid of anything this game and goes beneath the surface. I very much like him. | ||
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On January 31 2017 07:30 Superbia wrote: I'm not convinced of SL scum yet, but he has been superdisappointing. But Tumblewood is so totally scum right? | ||
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On January 31 2017 17:26 emperorchampion wrote: This game is cold as ice lol, I've been following along and I think i want to start with this team: ##nominate: emperorchampion grackattack superbia cause they are known to be cool people. Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ | ||
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On January 31 2017 20:20 Vivax wrote: If you think emc is spy cause of double replacement, you're in for a wild ride and a lot of assumption. Sounds like you have more information than we do | ||
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On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote: The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team. That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two. I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise. Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK. We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. | ||
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On February 01 2017 00:07 sicklucker wrote: artanis go on iccup right now No we're watching travel man with richard ayoade Iceland is beautiful. | ||
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On February 01 2017 00:22 Grackaroni wrote: Sounds like you're scum grasping at straws Straws? I don't know what you mean. ![[image loading]](http://files.shandymedia.com/images/body/thesavory/e2db37cf429f49f211da9892473fa9cd.jpg) | ||
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On February 01 2017 04:26 Grackaroni wrote: I think there's too many people in support of this team. The fact that emperor is pushing superbia over vivax makes me want vivax more >> | ||
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I am also sad that no one has engaged me on my tumble read. Super how do you currently read him? Silver? -artanis from phone | ||
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On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote: I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario. Either: 1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team. + Show Spoiler + Latest team suggestions On January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote: Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote: We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote: Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote: ##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super ##nominate: super silver tumble @grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention 2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie. *For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver. 3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia. I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia. well if sicklucker isn't mafia i'll eat my shoes, so there's that super's reaction to tumble is what has me hung up on him...maybe i should bother to reread and see if he ever qualified that to any form of satisfaction viva...viva...there was something about viva that struck me as odd, and not lex's goofball post before | ||
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On February 01 2017 05:50 RtaniSoul wrote: Tumble/grack/silver would prob make me most happy atm. I am also sad that no one has engaged me on my tumble read. Super how do you currently read him? Silver? -artanis from phone ditto, at least until i scratch at the viva and super itches | ||
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On February 01 2017 05:57 RtaniSoul wrote: well if sicklucker isn't mafia i'll eat my shoes, so there's that super's reaction to tumble is what has me hung up on him...maybe i should bother to reread and see if he ever qualified that to any form of satisfaction viva...viva...there was something about viva that struck me as odd, and not lex's goofball post before ...now i can't remember so it's probably not important lol >< nvm viva is fine can we switch him in for super? >> i really would rather see viva than super it's screwball but since it's resistance there's really no such thing as pre-flip association; i don't like super's interactions with sicklucker. for me it seems a lot like he's trying to get sicklucker to stop being a lazy fucker, and not in the way i'd expect from someone doubting if sl is really scum so trying to get conversation going if those two never get put on teams ever i'd be quite happy ^^ | ||
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On January 30 2017 19:43 Superbia wrote: He feels very floaty. Nothing he says seems solid and I have a feeling he has no actual reads. His interaction with vivax feels pockety at best. I find it weird that you townread him so hard even though he has put a lot of doubt (imo) on both myself and wolf, both of whom are your other townreads. He also put doubt on yourself. And then he mafia-reads into consensus reads + myself. oh okay yes we do have one -flicks things at super- been waffling on you all game you're a twit if you think you're a townread...though i suppose with lex and i dissenting on the strength of that read i can allow you a teeny tiny leeway for confusion there admittedly i felt tumble was pretty town early in the game and really haven't revisited it so...yeah, should do that, too, i suppose | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:05 Superbia wrote: Hmm if we're both town this is going to be a problem. lol, probably, yeah you could start with explaining why you think sicklucker has any possibility of being town this game | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:08 RtaniSoul wrote: I'm waffling on waffling with you, Super. And it's for dumb shit. -art To expand on this, EC voiced a concern for Super not being there and he just happens to show up But then what he's doing seems like the exact opposite of someone really trying to stay on the team which would be against mafia objectives unless there's a second spy on the mission But I find it hard to believe there's any chance there's 2 spies on this mission. I'm just worried I'm overanalyzing it thus waffling on waffling. | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:11 Superbia wrote: Reminded me of one early PYP game where he showed up like d2 pretty clueless. I don't get/like his further trolling tho. this is pretty beyond d2. more to the point, he's clearly been around enough to vote while doing shit all. that's not a town sicklucker. period. inactivity for #reasons may happen but not lurker shittiness without even the fun little conspiracy theory i can barely understand to spice things up please quote the posts that make tumble "floaty" in your eyes. i see alignment assessment personally...something must have given you that impression | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:13 Superbia wrote: EC just happens to have the right QT. ;p Iirc there is no QT in resistance? | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:12 RtaniSoul wrote: To expand on this, EC voiced a concern for Super not being there and he just happens to show up But then what he's doing seems like the exact opposite of someone really trying to stay on the team which would be against mafia objectives unless there's a second spy on the mission But I find it hard to believe there's any chance there's 2 spies on this mission. I'm just worried I'm overanalyzing it thus waffling on waffling. -squints at- this makes no sense to me either, lex lol >< unless you're trying to say that he's been lurking and came out of hiding for teammate call? but yeah then the second point is valid...but i still have trouble seeing silver or tumble as scum :/ i dunnae | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:17 RtaniSoul wrote: -squints at- this makes no sense to me either, lex lol >< unless you're trying to say that he's been lurking and came out of hiding for teammate call? but yeah then the second point is valid...but i still have trouble seeing silver or tumble as scum :/ i dunnae Was saying in a town EC mafia Super world Super has been lurking and delurks once his nom is in jeopardy. | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:19 sicklucker wrote: if artanis is posting more then rstoulin there mafia. if rstoulins posting more they are town. fact welcome back. feel free to pretend you're town at any point @super nhhhh outside chance i buy your read on tumble, though don't necessarily agree with it. if only cause i have a tendency to distrust scumreads from other players too (i will be honest that an eensy part of me wonders if maybe scum!tumbles don't think town!rsouls are scum, but then, i am playing with lexy so that changes things) the much bigger part of me just thinks he looks like he's trying to suss the game from very limited info, or was, anyway | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:20 RtaniSoul wrote: Was saying in a town EC mafia Super world Super has been lurking and delurks once his nom is in jeopardy. ah fair. could be | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:23 Superbia wrote: Let's agree to disagree on tumble for now. We can see what he does from here. fair. i'll be watching you! and maybe i'll remember what had me squinting at vivax other than lack of sense on the "leader" thing. that's just...poor logic. vivax is allowed poor logic -pokes at grack- who is scum in your option 3? or did i miss that in the spam fest? | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:25 Superbia wrote: I love the sentence "his nom is in jeopardy" btw. Is it a misspell? nomination presumably | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:26 emperorchampion wrote: @art I don't really see a compelling reason to switch super for grack? makes sense to put both on to me Sorry this is from mobile we trust grack more than super if it's all equal to you that shouldn't be an issue, right? | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:26 sicklucker wrote: altho this games weird because as scum you should try harder at the start of the game. unlike a normal mafia game where its more important to try at the end of it lol read: but i'm being a lazy fuck cause i'm town! clearly! | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:29 sicklucker wrote: im just annoyed by people who base reads on activity. thats just lazy lol >< i'm not going to keep back and forthing tempting as it is with you cause that's just not productive all i'm going to say is this is a highly ironic statement you're making please do continue to expand your read list beyond 1...at your leisure, naturally | ||
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On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote: I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario. Either: 1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team. + Show Spoiler + Latest team suggestions On January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote: Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote: We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote: Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote: ##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super ##nominate: super silver tumble @grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention 2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie. *For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver. 3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia. I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia. i'm still interested in playing where's the mafia with you, grack...out of your option number 3 | ||
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On February 01 2017 06:43 Grackaroni wrote: I think it's one of Tumble/Super with Tumble being more likely town. I actually liked the way you responded to the post so I think a good team that could potentially pass would be Artisoul/Grack/Ikawolf. If you're trying to buddy us.. you're succeeding  | ||
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On February 01 2017 07:01 sharkie wrote: the day of my leadership is nearing :D -pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie? | ||
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On February 01 2017 07:10 sharkie wrote: Ignored and accused. But as I read this game correctly you don't even need me to win this game, right? Only 5/6 are necessary to win as rebels technically but what i meant is what do you think about who is resistance and who is a spy? | ||
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On February 01 2017 07:38 sharkie wrote: I just felt good about the people at that time. It's the first team with no information, that's all about your feeling only. Obviously, that has changed now. I don't want Super in a team anymore. - Silver is resistance, would need some major changes to change my opinion about that. You I feel good towards too. - E/C is a spy for me because he offered us way too many possibilities for a team. That's a big "Hey, I let you guys decide what you want. Just like me please!" - sicklucker had my benefit of doubt till his weird drunk posts... You guys kept accusing people spies because they don't try hard enough - his behaviour reflects that a lot. - Tumble/Super - one of them is my third possible spy. I just don't know which one of them. Maybe there is a scenario where both of them are spies and they go the route of playing totally against each other I don't know (what I don't believe as that would also make sicklucker resistance). The rest are resistance by process of elimination. okay, thanks for telling us you're still in line for our cutest player award lol (also getting resistance feels off you. just don't be afraid to voice your opinion...we get rowdy in here but that doesn't mean we're trying to ignore you) | ||
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On February 01 2017 10:09 Silverika wrote: The fact that this doesn't like the team is a good sign since this is almost certainly a spy at this point. ~SilverWolf7 Given that sicklucker is universally read as spy I feel that this might be WIFOM. More accurately, we're just ignoring all his reads entirely until there's a reason he might be resistance. | ||
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On February 01 2017 15:17 Vivax wrote: Don't sneak around me, will you approve or reject this team? You've been awfully subdued this game. Where's the Vivax fire? Why do we not know your opinion on our slot? You liked our list post but then preferred 4 other people. How have your reads evolved since then? | ||
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On February 01 2017 18:55 emperorchampion wrote: @rta can you explain the progression on this: what don't you understand? we both fail to see what's confusing | ||
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Tumble and Silver have both kinda fallen off in our opinion. Tumble because he's basically said nothing of value for a while and Silver doesn't really sit right with me atm. The whole not voting for any mission you're not on doesn't make sense to me since if all resistance players would do so, we might as well just cut the first four mission attempts. The only way a mission would go through would be if it was 2 resistance 1 spy and all the spies voted in favour of the mission. Sharkie and Grack have gone up. Sharkie just feels like such an innocent child in every post he's been making since ~the second mission. Grack is making a lot of decent points and it doesn't feel like he's pushing a specific team but rather he's trying to get the thread going and people to think on scenario's and such. Conclusion of all of this is that this is a mission without my top 3 townreads (including myself, duh), meaning if my top townreads are correct the 3 people on this mission need to all be town. For that to be true, EC would have to be mafia and have left off a Vivax mafia even though there was an opportunity to put him up without too much resistance. There's just no way this team is good. Tina also wants to stress that sicklucker is incredibly mafia. Just in case you forgot. Lex isn't as convinced but will roll with it. | ||
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On February 02 2017 06:18 Silverika wrote: Well, if missions keep getting rejected, I'm not sure how much more I'll put effort in here. If we can't move forward, I really have nothing to say. ~SilverWolf77 We're not gonna pass any mission we're not on. But if people keep not accepting missions we're gonna be upset! >> | ||
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On February 02 2017 06:35 Silverika wrote: yes reading must be hard. this is what you said so either your a hypocrite or scum or both The second quote was me pretending to be you. | ||
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On February 02 2017 18:27 Silverika wrote: Sorry guys, got super busy and I'm exhausted now and don't think I can even think straight to do those filters right now. As far as emperorchampion Vivax-do you have reasons you want to give him a chance? Are you suggesting putting him on the team and if so why? I don't consider the replace in scummy. Calix not posting is null. The only points I don't like are the fact he seemed really appeasy as far as putting up teams. It's like he didn't want to ruffle any feathers at all. And I am not sure why you wouldn't put yourself in as team leader on a small team because if you know you are town, then you know 1/3 of the mission is town and you just need to find two more townreads. Better chance of passing that way. ~SilverWolf77 That's one of the only things EC has done that we don't find scummy. If no one's townreading your slot it doesn't make sense to put yourself up as that mission will never pass the first stage. | ||
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On February 02 2017 19:06 Vivax wrote: I don't see anything wrong with what emc did he came into the thread yolo nominated a team, then readjusted it based on feedback. Nothing wrong with not being stubborn especially when he just came in as replacement. Anyway this isn't just about the team I want but about the team that most of town can agree on. TW, SL are staying out of it. That's not questionable atm. Me, Grack, ika sounds tempting but includes me and that goes against my philosophy and I don't want to spend time arguing why I'm resistance anyway. Others can do that when they feel like noming me. Grack, ika, super looks viable to me atm. Still paranoid of rtanisoul. Even you shouldn't be able to ignore how Superbia and TW looked pretty awful near the end of the day and EC went On February 01 2017 06:46 emperorchampion wrote: Mm I think I just stick with original + I'm peacing soon I feel good about this team :D and I encourage y'all to vote yay!! Which sounds pretty godawful to me. Also why are you paranoid about us? Any reasons or just standard Vivax tinfoil? | ||
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On February 02 2017 21:18 emperorchampion wrote: I don't really understand why rtani is scum reading me so much for wanting me to value their opinion over mine. Sharkie seemingly has a bone to pick with me for reasons which seem pretty nebulous and won't answer any questions of mine lol. sharkie/ika/grack is OK for same reasons that tumble could replace sharkie. I dunno I think we should just do vivax/ika/grack, I feel fairly comfortable with that Can you tell me what happened that caused these doubts On February 01 2017 04:48 emperorchampion wrote: I'm mostly worried since tumble and super aren't in thread and there's like 2 hrs till deadline. On both Super who didn't post anything of substance and Tumble who didn't post anything whilst Grack posted good shit like On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote: I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario. Either: 1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team. + Show Spoiler + Latest team suggestions On January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote: Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote: We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote: Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote: ##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super ##nominate: super silver tumble @grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention 2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie. *For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver. 3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia. I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia. in the hours leading up to the deadline for the team, yet you refused to swap Super or even Tumble out for Grack despite stating yourself a willingness to do so: On February 01 2017 06:42 emperorchampion wrote: I mean I trust supe more I think lol Idk where tumble is tho, maybe tumble for grack Why did you still go with silver/super/tumble instead of subbing one of the latter for Grack? | ||
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On February 02 2017 21:55 emperorchampion wrote: I mean I pretty much picked the team to see how tumble and super will deal with each, and on the basis of townread on super and silver. So tumble and super not posting at all after that was a bit meh. I still felt like the team was valid for the original reasons though. In addition neither posted in the last cycle, I think super has dropped a bit for me. In retrospect yeah I maybe should have swapped super -> grack, but part of me is worried why it's such an issue 1hr before the deadline, and not maybe 6hrs ago when I proposed it. Also an issue for me was that I pretty much wasn't actually able to switch the teams since I was busy with irl stuff. So yeah it's pretty annoying to have that happen right before the end of the deadline. In the end I just decided it was better to go with what I had originally thought than swap right then. Are you still waffly on super? What do you think of neither tumble nor super posting in the last cycle? If you picked the team to see how tumble and super dealt with each other, and then they didn't deal with each other at all during that phase, why did you stick with it? | ||
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On February 02 2017 22:06 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah that was arguably stupid, and probably a large part of why the team got voted down lol. I guess I was hoping for better in the next phase. You understand that this explanation doesn't help your case >> | ||
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On February 02 2017 22:56 Silverika wrote: He would do this as either alignment and I haven't seen a lot out of him outside this. If this isn't scummy to you, what do you not like about him? Why is he your number two scumread? ~SilverWolf77 First it's the double sub. Second, it's everything that happened around the previous nomination which I quoted last page. | ||
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There's this brazenness about him in the way he started the game by stating that everyone's still null to him. He thought the first mission was good as he didn't have a read on anyone yet and a random 3 people group out of 5 resistance members seemed fine to him. Since then, he's gotten reads in a way that I might not necessarily agree with but feels very organic and non-TMI-y. He hasn't felt like he's been strategically upgrading or downgrading reads. There's a trend in his read development that's easy to follow and it all just clicks when you crawl into his head for me. Dunno if that helps | ||
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On February 04 2017 01:21 Grackaroni wrote: Right now I see the game in terms of 3 groups (listed in no particular order): The definite town: Grackaroni Silverika The townie feels Artanisoul Vivax Sharkie The people without townie feels Emperorchampion The one of these two is scum group Tumblewood Superbia The definite scum Sicklucker I still think at least one of Super/Tumble will be red. independent of the lexy, mostly agree with this...think i'd bump tumble up to EC level, though. probably. still weirds me out a bit to not have a tumble tunnel going...it was almost as reliable as an onegu tunnel once upon a time ^^ | ||
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On February 04 2017 05:06 RtaniSoul wrote: independent of the lexy, mostly agree with this...think i'd bump tumble up to EC level, though. probably. still weirds me out a bit to not have a tumble tunnel going...it was almost as reliable as an onegu tunnel once upon a time ^^ Agreed though I feel better on sharkie than vivax. I'm also feeling pretty confident on a sl/superbia/ec team based on their general lack of caring when things appear to be going south, the former two moreso than ec though. Also the superbia poking at sl thing just feels so scum on scum to me and I don't think super/tw are scum together so that moves tw up. Vivax is very appropriately my tinfoil for if ec isn't maf. | ||
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On February 04 2017 05:11 sicklucker wrote: its just ironic how last resistance game I was the town mvp who lead a useless afk town to almost beating big bad lex. then here im just ignored and ostracized and completely ignored. sick life -pokes- if you're town here, these sorts of posts are not gonna make anyone 'see the light'. pretty sure you're aware of that. just fyi, i am actually listening to you, so ceasing the whining and actually playing would be to your advantage | ||
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On February 04 2017 05:11 RtaniSoul wrote: Agreed though I feel better on sharkie than vivax. I'm also feeling pretty confident on a sl/superbia/ec team based on their general lack of caring when things appear to be going south, the former two moreso than ec though. Also the superbia poking at sl thing just feels so scum on scum to me and I don't think super/tw are scum together so that moves tw up. Vivax is very appropriately my tinfoil for if ec isn't maf. -bouncles- stalking me aren't you >> | ||
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On February 04 2017 05:12 sicklucker wrote: too many emotional players playing on if they like me not as a person up in here I actually enjoyed talking and playing with you on voice though. It really isnt personal, I just believe you're mafia. If you wish to convince me otherwise, do something useful. | ||
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On February 04 2017 07:37 Vivax wrote: What if this mission fails? Is it sharkie or Grack then in your opinion? hard to say...they're the three we most townread also, why not include silver? | ||
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On February 04 2017 12:40 Vivax wrote: rtanisouls read on TW is generally sketchy as they went from top town at roughly the same time when Grack gave an argument for being resistnace, then said emc was mafia cause they included TW and I quote "when he was looking godawful". They don't seem to be very intent on emphasizing TWs godawfulness though and their reason for not thinking they are spy given later is : ?? | ||
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On February 02 2017 19:14 RtaniSoul wrote: Even you shouldn't be able to ignore how Superbia and TW looked pretty awful near the end of the day and EC went Which sounds pretty godawful to me. Also why are you paranoid about us? Any reasons or just standard Vivax tinfoil? oh, this. yeah...lol >< reading comprehension is still difficult for people. lex was saying that EC WAS stubborn, where you were arguing that he wasn't...tumble's been progressively dropping in our reads. not sure how that is 'sketchy' for you, but whatevs we still think this will pass, so y'all can tinfoil about all willy nilly if you likelex would like to add he still doesn't see a tumble/super scum team when they had the opportunity others provided to townread each other, and he still feels super is scum. strongest scum for lex. i'll let him explain it cause he's now using me as a secretary -_- ^ agree super more likely scum than tumble, easily ^ still keeping sl as my most scummy >> mostly to annoy lex >> and now i'll remind lex i had super as scum before him >> for post-game cred when both turn out to be scum \o/ @.@ i'm literally getting hit with a stick right now | ||
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Regular afkness Broken promises of activity Going hard on tumble whilst giving sicklucker a velvet glove treatment On January 31 2017 07:30 Superbia wrote: I'm not convinced of SL scum yet, but he has been superdisappointing. Not bothering with Tumble at all despite scumreading him and being sent on a team with him On January 30 2017 17:56 Superbia wrote: TW are you still mafia reading me? I love how pretty much everyone is townreading both TW and myself and nobody gives a shit that we're scumreading each other. Nice ANALysis. Passivity in general and complete lack of caring for the game. | ||
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On February 05 2017 00:27 RtaniSoul wrote: Shortlist for Super being scummy: Regular afkness Broken promises of activity Going hard on tumble whilst giving sicklucker a velvet glove treatment Not bothering with Tumble at all despite scumreading him and being sent on a team with him Passivity in general and complete lack of caring for the game. just as long as you stop hitting me with sticks ^^ | ||
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On February 05 2017 00:28 RtaniSoul wrote: just as long as you stop hitting me with sticks ^^ Back in the box you go ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lB1PrHn.gif) | ||
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On February 05 2017 00:41 Vivax wrote: Obviously if this passes the spies can start posting baby seals. Or resistance pix like SL already did lol. The votes just make it look like it won't but idk, maybe they lost all hope already. well i know lex has voted an all-town team as scum when it seemed obv it would pass xP so the assumption you guys are making is already pretty flawed lol >< if this doesn't pass we'll worry about which one is the scum then | ||
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On February 05 2017 00:53 RtaniSoul wrote: when i think of/find a good gif for this, you're so getting it, pussy! You're such a dick | ||
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On February 05 2017 07:51 sicklucker wrote: thats why its sometimes good to vote unexpectly its quite possible mafia assumed I was going to vote no on this mission. in this world its possible super and ec are mafia. altho thats only one possible scenario. Even tho im sure scum thought I was going to vote no on that they still needed more no votes. Can I have a show of hands who thought that last mission was going to pass before the vote was shown? its important for data We were pretty sure it would, yeah. | ||
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On February 05 2017 07:52 sicklucker wrote: thats what a mafia artanis would say :D. include someone else Because a town artanis wouldn't say this..? | ||
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what exactly do you want us to say? to acknowledge that there could be scum there deciding not to fail the mission? of course. but why should we make that assumption when there's no real evidence to suggest it? if i were scum, and an all-town team had gone through, and especially if some town were getting wobbly about the vote, i'd be busting my ass to sow doubt so people went with others on the team myself gonna need a pretty good reason (not just too many people voted yes) to make me squeamish about a passed mission. sorry | ||
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On February 05 2017 07:59 sicklucker wrote: ritanisoul is probably not the worst 4th add on looking at the list tho. maybe even the best Why's that? | ||
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On February 05 2017 08:03 Superbia wrote: actually adding rtsoul may not be too bad. Explain yourself | ||
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On February 05 2017 10:06 Superbia wrote: The result/flavor post was super delayed. That highly suggests someone could vote fail on the team. It suggests to me the mod team was afk, or at least the person with the flavour. The delay was far too long to be waiting on a PM | ||
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he either nominated an all-town team (not a likely scum move), or there is probably at most one scum on there. find it unlikely we're either all wrong on two of the three or, wilder, vivax is scum with two on there. plus we're more comfortable with him than the rest that remain anyway @super...meh. thought maybe your answer would better help us read you -_- @viva...i dunnae about your confirmed grack/silver theory. maybe. i guess the reason i dunnae is we wouldn't have insta-assumed sharkie. he's my gut response but i wouldn't put it past grack to fool me sooooo it wouldn't have been insta sharkie!scum for us if the mission failed. (and personally i'd prob wonder about silver, too, but not go with it cause at some point you have to stop doubting every little thing or you get nowhere). maybe we're the only players who don't think we're infallible gods in this game though xP it matters more about sharkie's perception than reality, i suppose long version of saying you're probably right but i'm mildly uncomfortable with an assumption that could kick us in the teeth if you declare players conf town and never revisit best case scenario none of this matters lol >< and by adding you or us to the mission we've already won the game now we're just gonna go and mope about people somehow still not trusting us :/ carry on lol >< | ||
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On February 05 2017 17:30 Silverika wrote: Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why? ~SilverWolf77 well i mean, we know we're town, so obviously for us that will always be the best choice here but apart from the obvious it's mostly ego :/ hard not to go but but we're so obviously town! how can we not even be top four in y'all's eyes? but we'll get over it lol >< | ||
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On February 05 2017 17:30 Silverika wrote: Do you have a problem with this team selection, and I'd so who do you have a problem with and why? ~SilverWolf77 also, we would like to know why. just for the record | ||
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thanks for answering could argue some of the logic there but it's not really important. if you're more comfortable with vivax, that's who you should go with | ||
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On February 05 2017 21:09 Vivax wrote: It would probs be riskier but give more info if you swap out sharkie with rtanisoul. If the mission fails now for example it will at first glance look as if I was the cause, but it could also have been sharkie only passing on his first mission. If you then settle for townreading me still, we still won't know if rtaniSoul would be a safe pick, you would only get the confirmation that sharkie isn't. Whereas with the mission failing with rtaniSoul on it along with me, I would know exactly who to blame for it This really feels like a setup. What good could it possibly do to swap me with sharkie? A) You're presuming Grack and Silver aren't scum. For Silver I'm pretty sure you're right, for Grack I'm not exactly certain. B) You still wouldn't know anything about Sharkie and he'd probably end up in the next mission so it feels like you're delaying the inevitable It'd make more sense for me to be on the mission with sharkie given all the conspiracy theories floating about us are with sharkie anyway. There's no difference between two or no spies on this one. | ||
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On February 06 2017 00:10 Vivax wrote: Grack isn't scum though as the suspicion would easily have fallen onto sharkie if he sabotaged. I'm really confident about this. So I'm trying to force a decision between you and me (in terms of alignment) in the eventuality of mission failure by requesting you to be on the team with me, along with two others who are very very likely resistance. It's pretty much the most sure way for me to be 100% on your alignment as I will be 100% convinced that you're spy if the mission fails. Besides I don't understand why you resist this suggestion so much if you are resistance and townreading me. According to your own beliefs, the mission should pass no? And since when did you become so waffly on Grack? you're sitting in your world of 'if this mission fails' then x,y,z we still think the most likely scenario is that all of sharkie, grack and silver are town. introducing you into that equation is a lesser certainty. for us we'd be happiest with us being added to the team instead of you xP | ||
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basically all four of you look pretty town to us -shrugs- it doesn't matter that much unless we're wrong. the problem is, if we ARE wrong, you're framing it like we're insta!scum, and we don't have a lot of faith that y'all will get all of the other five town right that's what it comes down to | ||
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On February 06 2017 00:17 Vivax wrote: It's my suggestion for gathering more information as, if the current nomination fails, most will be sure that sharkie is spy which writes 1 spy off. But if you are on it instead of him and it fails, there is the opportunity to write 2 spies off, only leaving you with 1 member to win the game. And since it's still a nomination that excludes emc/SL/superbia/TW, it's still a safe way to establish if we got sneakster spies or obvious spies. As the 4 above are the most distrusted ones in the game and this would clear at least one of them. So you believe there's no opportunity of us being scum without sharkie being scum, but believe there's a chance he's scum without us being scum, or why do you think you get more information with us on? | ||
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On February 06 2017 00:20 Vivax wrote: Well if that's your most likely scenario, why doesn't it take into consideration that it's a team I nominated? It doesn't make you confirmed town. Obviously you'd know how good it makes you look when the team passes. We're talking about the situation in which we're wrong. Believe it or not, we're more certain we're town than that we're certain that you're town. | ||
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote: I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie. So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy. I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed. ~SilverWolf77 i actually agree that there's not much reason for a possible scum vivax to play this way, which is why i'm fine with his suggestion. i think any team with a combo of the original three, us and vivax is a good idea if the mission goes through then is sabotaged, we'll work it from there our issue is not with the suggestion so much as the blind bullheadedness vivax is displaying. most likely it won't be a problem though, so whatevs. as long as it's between us five, silver, you've got our blessing ^^ | ||
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On February 06 2017 20:12 Superbia wrote: Has anyone checked if reads line up with yay voters on the last team btw? ah something you can do then ^^ might even make you look proactive | ||
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On February 07 2017 01:38 Superbia wrote: Usually I have a certain threshold for how funny I find these types of posts. It has reached that threshold. That's too bad. You haven't earned the right to mope at people poking fun at you for how little effort you've put into this game. | ||
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On February 07 2017 02:52 Superbia wrote: I don't necessarily think you're town EC lol What ARE your reads right now? | ||
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On February 07 2017 02:58 Grackaroni wrote: Methinks the team is Sharkie/Tumblewood/Rtanisoul ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hUcqb8Q.gif) | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail. Silverika is too indignant to be scum. Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective. Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!" ##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver. Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team. Yes, you COULD be scum. As we've said countless times we don't think you are, nor do we think sharkie or silver is. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:29 Grackaroni wrote: I just don't understand all of the confidence in this mission. Between the four of us you would need to have found 4/5 townies Scum would have had to have failed massively this game, and the vote for the last mission wasn't even close. It's also not like Sharkie or I were beacons of townie-ness that couldn't have been stopped. I don't think either of us were even going to be put on Silver's mission if that mission was rejected. We think super is very scummy. We think sicklucker is very scummy. We believe silver is very town and sharkie is very town, and also believe you and vivax have done things that would be difficult for you to emulate as scum. Silver is town due to a massive amount of analysis he's put in. Sharkie is town because he's basically an innocent child and everything he's posted is beaming in bright neon letters "I don't have TMI, I have no idea how to read people". You've helped progress the games at points where it was dead where it really wasn't necessary and Vivax made a bunch of posts that would be weird to come from scum, like this idea of not wanting the team leader to be in the mission which seems contrary to scum objectives. Of course you weren't going to be put on the next mission if it was rejected; one of you would have had to be scum. That's kind of obvious. Point is, it hasn't. I feel that's because the mission is likely clean. | ||
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Since I'm not in the mission it'd need to be 4 out of 5. | ||
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Obviously not certain as can be told from our argument with Vivax earlier. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:39 Superbia wrote: I'm scum with tw? #whatajoke You should know my town meta by now, Art. You do count 4 players in there right? | ||
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And apparently we played presedential election together but I don't remember anything about that game x_x | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:41 Superbia wrote: Wow what an asshole. You kinda acknowledged it yourself that game mate | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 29 2015 10:06 Superbia wrote: I'm going to put down some logic of where I'm at with my head, and then I'm going to continue my Pillars of Eternity play through. I'm also not sure how much time I'll have tomorrow, as I'm going to a party in the evening. Hopefully I can try to prevent my miss-lynch again, and hopefully the town-reads actually stick this time. So, let's start off with the general direction of the game, and how the game has progressed from yesterday. Let's start off with the assumption that I'm town. The following wagon was on me at the wagon's summit: Of these, FF and Slam (who flipped town) stand out. FF liked the case I put on Artanis, but seemed fine with sheeping Artanis when he put his case on me. This seems very odd to me, but in a way that is regardless of FF's alignment. I literally just don't know what he is doing. That being said, I also see FF's recent lynch outlook post as coming from a town perspective. His view on me makes sense from what I recall from our interactions. That being said: FF, kindly explain your read on me. Why did you think I was scum or a PR? What gave it away? You said earlier on that your read on me involves calling me mafia, how did that read progress? Moving on, I kind of like damdred in a weird WIFOMy way. He called me out for giving a shit defense in a sort of BM way. I don't think scum does this, tbh. I don't know damdred very well, but I don't think scum shits on a townie about to get miss-lynched like that. Furthermore, his poke sparked me, and allowed me to give the defense to prevent the miss-lynch (though we still miss-lynched). He was also one of the first to rescind off the wagon (iirc). He might be laughing in his scum QT right now, but he's getting a town read for now. Ritoky, I don't even know where he's at, to be honest. His opinion seems uninformed, and I don't think a town would be comfortable lynching someone who they have been unable to form a proper opinion about. Moreover, the rayn slot seems incredibly fishy. I scum-read rayn before the claim (iirc), and I don't understand the rescind off the PR, nor why scum seemingly did not put an RB or a KP on him (more on this later). I can see why rayn would fake claim in that scenario as town, as he had been tired of people not listening to him in previous games, and he may be uninterested in defending himself, but it's so bad as town, because it can bait out a CC. Furthermore, I don't think he used his position of temporary confirmed town to push anything (again, iirc). The fact that this fake-claim has (seemingly, and iirc, I haven't actually read the majority of d2, tbh) not been fully explored yet is alarming to say the least. I think trfel is town for probably ever. I think Artanis & toad are town for now as well. I'm definitely not touching them today, but maybe Artanis in Final 3. Toad looks really, really good for his push on Palmar d1, the CC, and the fact that it looks like his KP is the KP that went through d2. Vivax goes on this list too for now, but I have no idea what I'm going to think if I encounter him in final 3. Actually almost missed Breshke when studying the wagon. Honestly, I think Breshke is somewhat likely scum? I hate saying this. =/ He has hard defended me at multiple times in the game (and I have agreed), but I think the defense may be a little TMI. The fact is, a lot of town has read me as scummy for most of the game, and I have no idea why he has been comfortable defending me. Also, I have noticed that he did not hard defend me during the wagon on me, while I have a feeling he was around regardless. This post is the most scummy for me: I have no idea why he is still comfortable town-reading me while still saying that. Finally, Onegu. I actually sort of like Onegu? I kinda likes how he approaches the lynch in this post: Like if he's town it really does not mean much for him to look at votes, as it doesn't matter for scum what they vote, while normally you would look at who voted. I was even going to call him out for this, but it makes sense for town!Onegu to look at it like this. I also want to discuss the N1 actions a bit more. We have these claims before N1: Vivax - KP on ??? Toad - KP on ??? Rayn - Track on ??? We have these claims post N1: Vivax - KP on Slam (scum could've seen this coming), Roleblocked. Toad - KP on VE (scum could've seen this coming, but less so than the KP on slam). Rayn - Rescind his tracker claim. RSO - Jail on Onegu. Now. The interesting thing is that Rayn never got roleblocked, while he and Palmar did have sort of an encounter in the later stage of d1 (though rayn showed no interest in wanting to lynch palmar, afaik). This while Palmar is mafia (though goon). Now, unless I'm completely wrong, there was a decent chance that Palmar would be in Rayn's sights if rayn was an actual tracker. I don't know this, but Palmar may have suspected this. Furthermore, there was a decent chance that Palmar was going to carry the KP through the night as goon (you don't really want mafia PRs to carry it, especially due to tracker), so why not RB rayn? Like this is very speculative, especially looking back, but ask yourself this: why did scum not roleblock rayn? Who is a much higher risk target than a (what I'm assuming is) a town vigi who is willing to follow HF and when the targets are two town (now confirmed). This world only makes sense if Vivax is actually mafia, and scum were looking to confirm Vivax by foregoing the roleblock and claiming it on Vivax OR if Onegu was carrying the KP that was going on rayn. This is still rather speculative, but I think this is a good reason to lynch Ritoky (ex-rayn) today. 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On February 07 2017 03:56 sharkie wrote: Just for the record I am in no way of accusing vivax a spy but: Why do some of you give vivax bonus points for not choosing himself when it was his turn to nominate? When someone chooses a full resistance setup in the very first mission without choosing himself (a noble thing - this I agree with but also suspicious) wouldn't he automatically qualify himself as the guy who is going to join the mission in the second mission? Things like these confuse me why vivax has jumped so far up in some people's eyes... Super earlier asked me why I can be so straightforward when playing resistance before. But that (vivax scenario) line of thinking is way too straightforward too in my opinion... It was more that Vivax was already fairly townread at the time and there was a good chance people would vote up a mission with him in it. This led to people presuming that unless there's a spy in the mission he sent out, it doesn't make much sense for Vivax to send an all-town team when the opportunity was there to sneak himself in. I feel it's a reasonably good argument. | ||
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On February 07 2017 04:01 Superbia wrote: Yeah I got lynched that game. By artanis. LOL I learned from it! If you make a post like that I won't lynch you >> | ||
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On February 07 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: here's where I'm at right now: very town vivax silverika town, probably sharkie (trending up) grack (trending up) rtanisoul (trending down) scum super ec sl (trending down) So... we're trending down whilst our top scumreads are literally identical to yours? | ||
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On February 07 2017 06:17 Tumblewood wrote: you think rtani is buddying silver? I can swear they're trying to buddy me buddying you so hard you're the 5th most townread player in our mind in a 9 player game, | ||
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On February 07 2017 07:17 sicklucker wrote: still cant believe you fell for the second vig claim from toad.. getting super mislynched is always fun =] Well I mean who counterclaims vig on D1 as mafia >> that's just suicide Also we have no idea about the votes. They look weird, but we'll see tomorrow night I spose. We'll just keep hoping it passes so we don't have to play this game anymore. | ||
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On February 07 2017 17:16 Superbia wrote: This mission passes, repeat same team. Win. There is the ever so minute chance town doesn't send the same team the next mission because of tinfoil like this so that the host can't really endgame it just yet. | ||
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On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote: This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure. If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote: No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie. No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote: How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. Because my doubts on you and grack are as large if not larger than my doubts on sharkie which I've been trying to communicate for the past few days. Grack could easily have thought of the argument you're making right now to put himself in a better position come day 2. If the mission fails now, everyone will blame both me and sharkie and no one will look at him. That's much better than just blaming sharkie. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote: It's not dumb if this mission fails With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies. Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you. Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission." You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote: Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote: Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard. Please respond to my last response. Actually try to put yourself in my position with my reads rather than just trying to force into my perspective with YOUR reads. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote: I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw. 50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post. 50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:25 sharkie wrote: You make me fume?! I explained earlier why I voted no in this mission! Has nothing to do with anything except gathering information... Posts like this make me really sure Sharkie is town. It's this certainty of knowing what his reason was and not understanding how people couldn't believe him. It doesn't even enter his system that people can have scum reasons for it. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:26 Superbia wrote: He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure. Live resistance, not forum resistance. Whole different ballgame. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:29 Superbia wrote: Only partially. I would say town is better on the forum if town is willing to play it slow. That's not the point. In a live setting it's more about reading faces and stupid shit like that. Forum has far, far more analysis in much deeper ways. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:35 Vivax wrote: Have it your way then. As team leader, I put a spy into the team. He lets it pass cause he'd be at risk if it fails. Everyone agrees on same team + previous leader. I request to take out the previous spy and replace it with you as resistance. Denied. If the team fails, as resistance you would know exactly who to blame: Me. Nobody is so bullheaded to not acknowledge that Grack and swika are simply town. Spies will only let a mission pass if they know that it will get them excluded for the rest of the game. During nomination phase, we all agreed on swika and Grack, and I even asked you who you think should be the third. You said: Sharkie or yourself. I chose sharkie. When I make a suggestion very similar to your previous one, where one of the three is someone you suggested previously, this happens: You refuse cuz being afraid of being on a failing team, which btw isn't in line with your thoughts on sharkie so far. What? I have consistently and continuously argued with the bolded. I do not believe Grack is simply town. Nor do I believe you're simply town. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:36 Superbia wrote: Eh. Sure. Whatever. I feel like this is going in a useless direction. :p Sharkie has said he bases things mostly on votes. That being said, I'm okay with his responses for now. Which makes this game a little hard. From my POV there's always a mafia in sharkie/silver/vivax. Why not Grack? | ||
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This vote? On February 04 2017 07:00 disformation wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Saturday, Feb 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Why does that exclude Grack as an option for you? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:39 Vivax wrote: All RtaniSoul are doing is spreading doubts all over the team and basically the entire game when it's blatantly obvious that sharkie was the most risky in it from the get go, a free invitation to Grack and Swika to make the first team fail and exclude him for the rest of the game. In other words, we have different reads from you and that's scummy. Okay Vivax. We have never argued that Silver isn't town. We also don't have the 100% townreads you seem to have magically acquired based on fairy magic. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:55 RtaniSoul wrote: Superbia, given that Vivax and others are tunneling the shit out of me I've just decided you're going to be town because you townread me. Congratulations on your promotion. just ftr this is a rogue decision that the rsoul does not endorse -throws a shoe at the lexy- | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:57 Superbia wrote: That TR is way too late. It's obvious my interest in this game is rekindled and I have been pretty right this game from the get-go. rofl | ||
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After this On February 07 2017 11:28 Tumblewood wrote: it's just you're reaching the same point as me but it's not a mindmeld because you're taking a different way to get there. makes me uncomfortable, like you're picking conclusions and then coming up with reasoning, but it's probably irrational... probably Kinda dead in the water. | ||
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On February 07 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote: You won't get anywhere just with vote analysis. It's too easy to tamper with. According to vote analysis one would conclude rtanisoul is town just cause they nay-voted a team with themselves on it. Still waiting | ||
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On February 07 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote: Hmm I looked into grack but I'm not sure. Look at these posts: I think we are (were) at similar points in this game. Another issue with grack as scum for me, is that when I look at sl's play it completely turned at mission 1. I'm thinking through if sl passes mission 1 for a town read on either sharkie/silver. If you look at all the reasons that he fails attempt 3 vs attempt 4: it's grack not on the team, leader not on the team, and not silver nominating VS silver on the team anyways, sharkie on the team, and leader still not on team. I don't see how town sl votes down my team by votes up vivax's team, so sl as scum conditions my read on grack as well. Also given this: Don't see grack/sl, putting his team mate at the bottom, don't think scum usually does that. Especially since I think that grack has pretty easy out for a town read on sl earlier. Pretty sure given the interactions silver/sl is not a team. Maybe I'm just mega tunneled but I'm also running out of places to look, I'm in an sl/sharkie world right now. I dunno, I don't have the same issue of grack/sl not being a team. SL has played an incredibly low-effort game and pretty much everyone and their mom has scumread him. It'd be difficult for Grack to get any mission in with SL on it so there's not much harm done by bussing him. Plus, if thread sentiment changes, he can change his position too anyway. I'm not sure where you're going with the mission 3/4 thing regarding SL. Could you explain that a bit further? On February 07 2017 20:38 Vivax wrote: Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh. If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul I'm glad we got tunnelvivax back. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:16 RtaniSoul wrote: You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory. | ||
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We've also never 'spreaded doubt' on Silver, so it's not 'all members'. We just don't have a massive townboner for Grack or you. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:15 Silverika wrote: Sharkie, explain again why you said no, in clear terms I can understand. If you liked the first mission and are neutral on Vivax, you could of used this to get info on Vivax. I have to assume Vivax is the reason, because he's the only thing that changed from the original team with you and two people you are townreading strongly. I don't understand any plan than involves downvoting missions to play around with the votes and dragging the game out unecessarily. Everyone seems to think this is gonna be a failure. I agree all the yes votes look bad, but it still could pass. Why assume the worst? As far as the negativity lecture, save it sharkie, because it's almost as annoying as the negativity itself. Mafia isn't rainbows and unicorns. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be. ~SilverWolf77 He mentioned he did it for information. As for the failure: The next mission is 4 players too. The presumption is that if the mission was all town, the scum would've already given up, but too many people that aren't on the mission are still trying so it doesn't make sense for the game to be over. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:43 sharkie wrote: The whole voting game for the first mission >did not make sense< and now you accuse me of making no sense for assuming we do the same thing for a much more important mission?! And why should voting nay absolve me of all responsibility? Could players stop making assumptions of how I am going to react about things? This started on the first nomination of the game and did not end till now... Welcome to my world. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote: in short (ika here): sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win) so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it. Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:51 Silverika wrote: Your continued defense of Sharkie and his boner for you also is duly noted. ~SilverWolf77 Clearly we're both spies and massively associating with one another because that strategy makes a lot more sense than town players who believe that other people are wrong. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote: you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle Obviously, B is the case. I have a strong townread on Sharkie and you believe I'm wrong or scum. We're exactly the same in that regard as your beloved grack and vivax. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:57 Vivax wrote: So the latest pages are rtanisoul and sharkie pushing the notion that spies dont defend each other when there are no flips and bussing is suicidal. I have brought up that argument exactly once, but nice generalization. The sad part is that some of you are town. I'm out. | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:03 Vivax wrote: I wouldn't even be so tunneled, but this happened: During noms I asked rtanisoul who the third should be alongside grack and swika. They said sharkie or themselves. They didn't put a fight over sending Grack and Swika. So everything suggested that they trust them, right? At least it suggested it to me. Third candidate would be the risky one, and I thought that was the consensus. Yet when the mission is over and now we're contemplating the consequences of a failure, Grack and Swika are suddenly at the same level of suspiciousness as sharkie for them and that is something I disagree with and that doesn't look at all like it looked for them, back when I nominated. WHEN HAVE WE EVER SUGGESTED SWIKA IS MAFIA?! And obviously we were going to put the same 3 people on the next mission when the first mission fails. We were pretty certain in our townreads on grack, swika, sharkie and yourself. Certain enough to send a mission which is the god damn point. I don't know anyone's alignment for certain because I lack that information. No one's play but perhaps silver's is 100% coming from town all the time and the fact that a mission where I had four strong townreads will in all likeliness fail means that yes I did re-eval the mission. I've explained my thought process plenty of times, it wasn't sudden. | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote: Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town. I also think Silver is town Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM. My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood. I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. we're mafia.. with Vivax? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote: If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77 On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote: Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town. I also think Silver is town Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM. My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood. I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. I look forward to your reevaluation. | ||
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Guess that makes Vivax the spy then. Cool beans. | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:47 Superbia wrote: Man rtsoul is getting scumread over me. What a great day. :D I hate you. | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:05 Superbia wrote: Then one between and EC has to be a spy. Since I feel EC has generally been more appeasing and contributed more to the thread, it clearly means you're the townie. Also, why is one of you two spy if Vivax is? | ||
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Would need to take a closer look at how people positioned themselves by the time that mission rolled around. I don't think it's necessarily true due to thread sentiment being in favour of the mission though it is likely that at least one spy voted against it. | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:13 Grackaroni wrote: I'm reading Silver mostly based on attitude. I also have different standards for what I expect from different players. Do you have any history with Silver? | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:16 Vivax wrote: Yea explain why I put resistance sharkie instead of spy rtanisoul into a team for starters, and then proceed to argue my ass off with them all day. Stop piggybacking my arguments, it's unnerving | ||
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On February 08 2017 01:20 Grackaroni wrote: It just makes sense for me as a plausible explanation for the vote count on the first mission. My 2 premises I got from reading through the thread this morning were that sharkie is town and Silver is town. From there I need Vivax to be mafia because this mission passed. But the first mission is very unlikely to go through if the scum team is Vivax + 2 people who aren't being town read (Say Sicklucker/EC). Things would make a lot more sense for me if the team was You/Vivax, because you both could reasonably approve the mission as scum knowing that it won't cost you the game in this scenario. What I don't understand is that I've been saying pretty much the same as sharkie as well as a lot of other things, yet you don't townread me. Why? I do follow your logic on why it doesn't make sense for a spy to vote for the first one if it was clean unless they have a good presence. One explanation I see is that if it didn't go through, silver would get a mission and it'd auto pass and silver's reads did not include scum for his choices. Another would be that at least this way they can get cred for voting for a passed mission. | ||
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Sometimes I wonder if you just decide to call me scum all game long before it's even started | ||
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I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy. | ||
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On February 08 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote: Where do you even get your reads from? Rels gives me secret spoilers. | ||
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On February 08 2017 07:03 RtaniSoul wrote: Guys I believe at least one of silverika, grackaroni, sharkie and vivax is a spy. Can't figure out who it is though | ||
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Votes: On January 29 2017 07:05 Rels wrote: The team consisting of RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia has been rejected. Votes for: sharkie, Silverika. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Superbia, Tumblewood, Vivax. Calix did not vote (counted as reject). Calix has been warned for not voting. Team Leader Tumblewood will now make Attempt #2 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Sunday, Jan 29 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On January 31 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, Tumblewood, Vivax has been rejected. Votes for: Tumblewood. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Superbia, Vivax. Calix did not vote (counted as reject). Calix has been replaced be emperorchampion. Team Leader emperorchampion will now make Attempt #3 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Tuesday, Jan 31 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On February 02 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Silverika, Superbia, Tumblewood has been rejected. Votes for: emperorchampion, Silverika. Votes against: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Superbia, Vivax. Tumblewood did not vote (counted as reject). Tumblewood has been warned for not voting. Team Leader Vivax will now make Attempt #4 to nominate a team for Mission #1. The nomination will be locked Thursday, Feb 02 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . On February 04 2017 07:00 disformation wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Saturday, Feb 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . On February 07 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, sharkie, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Tuesday, Feb 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Superbia, why have you voted against every single team so far? EC, can you take us through your vote process? Tumble, what would you have voted on attempt 3 of mission 1 if you were there? | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:23 Vivax wrote: It's what I thought at first but apparently it's just wifom and he wants me to believe swika are the spy I think he wants you to believe you are the spy. | ||
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^ cause i explained it to him though to be fair, he's still very convinced sharkie is town (resistance whatevs) based on feels. but mainly it comes down to grack being so adamant that it must be vivax...as town i'd expect him to be more leery of the other two on the first mission with him, but instead he goes straight to it's the new guy!there's more spy motive to that than town...namely, if you say it's the new guy loud enough maybe no one looks to the original three | ||
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The main argument to defend Grack is that he could've failed the first mission and sharkie would've been blamed, but since that's what everyone would expect him to do as spy it's the perfect thing to pad your towncred with down the line. It creates a much higher chance to be on two missions. | ||
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That's not to say we feel SL is clearly town, but we're leaning ever so slightly in that direction. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:34 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah but in this case he would be one of them, so he needs to find 4 of the remaining 5. and this one On February 07 2017 03:42 Grackaroni wrote: lol ok I'll vote accept. Happened pretty quickly. It also doesn't really jive with how he's been someone who likes to keep his votes secret: On January 28 2017 03:33 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to keep my vote a secret. A mission like the last one would benefit a lot from not knowing whether Grack would vote for or against it if he's town, as it'd give a lot more information due to Grack's position as a potential tiebreaker. As a spy, however, it's in his best interests to let his team know that he wants the mission to pass. | ||
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Sharkie, there's two reasons from my side. The first is that the reasons to townread Grack for me has always been what he's done rather than how he's done it. The two reasons to townread Grack beyond some of his content are that the first mission passed when he could've failed it and let the blame hit you, and that he scumread vivax when he could've joined the sharkie/rtan hate train. The first can be explained by the fact that if he's a spy, grack is probably their carry. Failing the first mission is more likely to get him scrutiny down the road as many people have used this argument to call him town. The second I believe comes from TMI. He knows you're resistance and reading what you've posted it looks really townie to him, plus it seems like something that spies are unlikely to do which has been the foundation of his townread. The second is that all the three others have done things I find much more unlikely to come from scum. Silverika has pushed the thread forward a myriad of times and his reads have been rigid at times yet flexible at others, most notably in their return just now where he got off the rtan/sharkie is def spies train to re-eval that. They aren't in a rush to draw a conclusion either. I went through their filter a bit yesterday and found it impossible to see a spy narrative there. Vivax is harder to explain and simple at the same time. He sucks at scum and unless he has a strong team is unlikely to try hard. Additionally, the weird things he's done just don't have the predictable townread consequences that grack has. Forcing yourself not to be on a team even when everyone TR's you doesn't make sense for scum. He also feels like he was way too smug about "catching" us which I have difficulty seeing coming from scum Vivax. | ||
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On February 09 2017 00:47 sharkie wrote: What is wrong with you all? Suddenly Grack is everyone's favourite guy to hit upon? How can anyone turn from most trusted guy (wanted on the team by literally everyone) to the dumping ground of mistrust. And the most surprising thing out of all is how vivax and RT totally forgot their vendetta with each other and suddenly are best buddies (not saying that both of them are spies). I don't think I have ever seen anyone jump up so high in trust as vivax did while being in a failed mission. Everyone can imagine Grack being the mastermind from the shadows, manipulating everyone from day one. Yesterday most didn't even bother listening to what I was saying how good spies don't play it the conventional way and you believed that I have to be obvious spy 100% (with the exception of RT). If you can consider Grack being a spy then surely silver can be a spy too (not saying that they are but has to be kept in mind). Way too many people are ganging up on Grack (math wise). Also I even read how SL could be a possible resistance player, now that is one thing I cannot imagine at all. That guy doesn't care one bit about what is happening in the game. He doesn't even know who was sent out for the second mission.. Now I expect I get shit for defending Grack just like RT did yesterday for defending me... are way too many people ganging up on grack? you said math-wise so it sounds like you counted sl just doesn't have much of a reason to do a few things he's done as scum. the biggest one for me is closing his option to put us on a scum team together with you...obviously since we know we're town that carries more weight for us than it would for others, but there it is | ||
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On February 09 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote: I actually think that's a pretty reasonable POE. But pretend for a second that I am town and you know that I am town. Which one of the three is mafia? ??? how exactly do you think it's a reasonable PoE when the PoE leads to you? like it literally says "everyone else is posting townie, and our main reason to townread grack was the success of the first mission" you're not making sense | ||
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On February 09 2017 04:32 Grackaroni wrote: Overall I still think that Vivax/Artanisoul are the scummers. Look at the way that Artanisoul is interpreting my actions compared to the way he interprets Vivax's actions. Grackaroni is town reading the person who I view as obvious town instead of trying to push the blame onto him like Vivax/Silverika were doing? It must be TMI. He's just trying to get town read by doing things that spies are unlikely to do. Vivax attacks people for including themselves in their teams and then follows up by not including himself in his team? That seems like something that spies are unlikely to do, so he's probably town. Also I don't think the description of Vivax's scum play is entirely accurate. He had a strong scum game just recently in Haunted Mansion. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513523-haunted-mansion-3?user=Vivax&page=5 i will admit that your play here is not optimal. assuming that we're right and you are scum, you may want to take a page from darthpunk's book and crawl right up the ass of whoever is blindly townreading you...take it from the one who gets mislynched when that happens; it's fucking frustrating idk grack, you post some good posts here and there, but we've just never got that super shiny town vibe from you i guess? lex and i were both going please let this mission pass, please let this mission pass, would be so sick to win, damn all the silent people suddenly got active this is not a defeated spy team -_- and yeah, you were the one that just kept sticking out to us could we be wrong? sure. don't think so. you certainly won't convince us WE'RE spies though lol >< also, if you want to know why you personally give me the heebie jeebies, it's just this feeling that you're preemptively attempting to control the narrative when/if missions fail. i really don't think i'm going to play forum resistance again because i really dislike the lack of concrete information, but why go into a flurry about all the ifs ands or buts before we even see a result on a mission? that's pure speculation, which breeds paranoia, which isn't town-favored | ||
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On February 09 2017 05:23 Grackaroni wrote: Because I did a similar POE to get to Vivax, which was pretty clear from my posts. if you mean where does our poe take us if the host declares you an innocent child, then i guess probably vivax as well. is that what you're trying to get at? | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote: Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town. I also think Silver is town Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM. My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood. I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. nh...yeah not really. from our perspective there wasn't a chance of us getting on the team precisely because of vivax's sharkie/rtani tinfoil that everyone else took up like a clarion call more to the point, why does vivax propose an all-town team if he's scum? like sure you say it's because he's bound to be added next mission, but idk that seems needlessly risky when you can just get scum into the team, have them pass the mission, then they're pretty much locked in to the second one...rather than proposing all town and then hoping they get added to the second mission where if they don't, town gets mission 1, 2 and 3 and a free win frankly, grack, it seems more like you decided that vivax had to be scum because silver and sharkie felt town to you (yes, i'm talking to you like you're town now since that's what you asked and i'm not 100% sure like ever lol ><), then you had to rationalize that somehow, when the simplest answer is that's a very unlikely scum play to ever come from vivax UNLESS he's also scum with one of the original three like really that should lead you to revisit both sharkie and silver as possibly being scum with vivax, or dismissing vivax, if you're being rational about your analysis let me turn the question back toward you...if not vivax, who? or, if vivax, who with vivax who was part of the original three, unless you're seeing something i'm not...i just don't see scum gambling on a free win for town with the very first team that's pretty retarded. vivax can be pretty pants-on-head sometimes but i'd never consider him to be that stupid | ||
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On February 09 2017 05:39 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really know what to make of your other post. It doesn't really address what I was trying to say and for some reason you interpret it as me trying to convince you that you are scum. rephrase? (i'm actually a bit more disconnected from the game than lex lol >< i work and study and he um...well, he's looking for work >> the result of that should be obvious) | ||
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On February 09 2017 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: More or less. I just wanted to know, if you were in my position, who you would be scum reading. lol i kinda answered in that monstrosity of a post ^^ sharkie i 100% agree with lex just feels town to me. we could be huge suckers there, but he just seems like an eager puppy bouncing around perhaps even a bit aimlessly i'm personally not as sure on silver as lex is...like if it's vivax i'd say they were together, if i were you and you are indeed town...or just silver. but i don't see/remember anything from silver that makes my gut twist, so to speak, in a eeewww i really don't like that sort of way. problem is we don't know him at all, so have no clue what he's capable of | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote: I actually feel a lot less good about my theory just based on how confused you seem to be by it. I got this idea because I was feeling that sharkie and Silverika were very likely town. If the first team is all town, there has to be some reason for it to have gone through so easily. Vivax/you make the most sense as scum who might vote for the mission because you two shaped the mission by selecting sharkie and were the overwhelming choices to be added to the next mission. So my guess was that Vivax wasn't able to add himself because he didn't want to look like a hypocrite after all of the griping he did earlier. He didn't want to flip his read on you, so he didn't add you. And the third scum probably didn't look good enough to add. Otherwise I basically have to conclude that Silverika is scum. Which seems increasingly possible. maybe we were reading a different game? your theory hinges on vivax being scared shitless to alter his position on anything as scum, yeah? so if he's too scared to put himself on a team, and too scared to change his read on us, and whoever this third is is never going to make a team as you claim... like why even play? lol >< half the game was convinced sharkie was scum cause vote logic and vivax led the anti-rtani crusade. this doesn't make sense grack @ sl but, but, i don't want sharkie to be scum, cause if that's the case lex and i are the biggest suckers on the planet :/ | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:09 sicklucker wrote: really? all i remember is artanis crying to be on it figured he would get it. -facepalms- yeah. he was whining cause we were being scumread over tinfoil paranoia and never going to end up on a team lol >< viva wanting to 'test' it with us on it instead of sharkie was the closest that came | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:14 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really think he's scared shitless. I just think it could be an acceptable team for him to submit as mafia. do you disagree with my logic? | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:13 sicklucker wrote: i almost dont want to include vivax now because why the hell did so many people vote for him. hell i thought i was voting for rstoulin! do you disagree with my logic regarding vivax? namely that it doesn't really make sense for him to be scum unless he was scum with one of grack/sharkie/silver? | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:20 Grackaroni wrote: I'll also say that it's getting weird for me to continue arguing over this theory because the longer I argue the more I'm starting to believe that the scum is just Silverika being cranky. okay now i just want you to tell me that i'm right ^^ it's mean to say you don't agree with my logic but at the same time seem to accept it by suspecting silver if you don't think what i'm saying makes sense, why do you think it's silver now? | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:28 sicklucker wrote: and grack still thinks im mafia so hes invalid ;p I don't really blame anyone for thinking you're mafia tbh. | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:31 Grackaroni wrote: Because you can't understand the theory! If the theory is true then it shouldn't be such a chore to walk you through it. Again, the whole point of it was that I was trying to think of why the mission may have passed if I was to trust my reads on Silver & Sharkie. A pairing of you/Vivax made a lot of sense to me. I'm just trying to make sense of the missions. And I think the people that should be most suspect are the people who didn't seem to put much thought into passing the last two missions despite the strangeness of votes and the thread atmosphere. I believe that would be you/Vivax/Silver/TW/SL >> -flicks- no, see that's not how this works. you say, rsoul, you're brilliant, your logic is amazing (cause it is!) and you have shown me the light! i now realize how stupid i was to even suggest this possibility of scum yoloing based off silliness ego-stroking is very good for an rsoul. saying he's reevaluating because she's too stupid to grasp his theory is very rude. exceedingly rude. (first off, i do grasp it just fine, just don't see it as valid even if i didn't already know it was wrong lol ><) and second off lying to be nice is a thing THE RSOUL ISN'T STUPID -beats with an overripe banana | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:40 sicklucker wrote: sharkie and ec* like the rest i kind of expect to vote how they did as either alignment You don't think it's weird Super voted against every single mission? | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:32 sharkie wrote: I still disagree with the fact that one of us three are spies. I find it ridiculous how in the positions all three of us were that none tried to abuse the fact to sabotage the mission. I find it much more likely that vivax is in a team full of incompetent spies and tried to solo carry the team to victory. And if we consider how many incompetent players we actually do have in this game (ec, tw, sl, super half of the game) is this really so far fetched? I disliked his stance of trying to create a rt/sharkie combo and then his sudden switch from grack being his best townbuddy to suddenly rt being his best townbuddy or is that normal play here on this forum when you get accused of being a spy that you turn 180 degrees on him? If that were the case, do people expect me to accuse silver, vivax, grack, sl, tw, super,ec spies since they at one point in the game tried to frame me for being spy? -squints at- if vivax is actually townreading us that's news to us...pretty sure we've been on his naughty tinfoil list all game...i want to see the miracle! more seriously, explain vivax putting up an all-town team >< it doesn't make sense like you are literally saying that vivax 1) put up an all town team as scum 2) was going to yolo whether he got selected on the 2nd mission 3) if he or his scum buddies didn't get selected on the 2nd mission, give up the game because the 3rd would have passed with no failed missions whatsoever this world makes no sense please tell me i'm not in crazy town and SOMEONE understands what i'm saying >< | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:44 Grackaroni wrote: Not really. It's not like you said anything to convince anyone that he was scum. Plus I feel like spies are a little bit incentivized to oppose one another in this setup so that everyone in town wants to side with at least one of the spies. Think of the game where Tumble/I were mafia and the town split down the middle into two opposing camps. After Tumble got lynched we were able to lynch a bunch of his supporters. I kind of think a similar strategy is ideal here to gain the trust of the most people. i wish we could cop-check you ^^ then if you were scum it would be way easier to find at least one of the others because you gave away your strat \o/ | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:53 Grackaroni wrote: Haha. I don't think you understand what I was trying to say but what I was trying to say probably isn't right anyway, so I guess we can argue over which one of us is stupid. Here's the bullet points: * Silver/Sharkie seem really likely town * Therefore, Vivax must be scum * But then the votes for the first mission wouldn't make sense * Unless the team was both Vivax & Artanisoul, in which case it could be perfectly viable for scum to approve. The reason I'm changing my mind isn't because I think for Vivax to be scum one of Silver/Sharkie also must be scum. If Silver is scum then I think Vivax is a less likely partner than quite a few other people. -squints at- you still haven't corrected my logic at all, because my logic is infallible! unassailable! would require an insane vivax of craziness! (yes i am still trying to get someone to show me how i'm wrong; no dice so far. must mean i'm right )more to the point, you reevaluating based not on my unassailable logic but rather on the shoddy logic that my not following your theory 'invalidates' it is kinda poor. if spies don't have a qt, i don't have to understand what vivax is doing for us to be spies together. that's a pretty strange reason to drop the theory entirely | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:02 RtaniSoul wrote: -squints at- you still haven't corrected my logic at all, because my logic is infallible! unassailable! would require an insane vivax of craziness! (yes i am still trying to get someone to show me how i'm wrong; no dice so far. must mean i'm right )more to the point, you reevaluating based not on my unassailable logic but rather on the shoddy logic that my not following your theory 'invalidates' it is kinda poor. if spies don't have a qt, i don't have to understand what vivax is doing for us to be spies together. that's a pretty strange reason to drop the theory entirely this still seems like a bad reason to suddenly shift to silver, setting aside the fact that understanding what you're saying on the vivax theory doesn't necessitate agreeing with it ^^ | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:06 Grackaroni wrote: Hey quit squinting at me. It's unnerving. I think Artanis understood what I was saying. Maybe try talking to him about it instead. What I understood was that if you had the knowledge of a spy voting for an all-resistance team, the follow-up having a likely spy on there makes sense. However, that does not mean that the act of a spy putting up an all-resistance team is likely to begin with, especially when considering all the other silly stuff Vivax done like 'threaten' to put us up instead of sharkie and all that jazz. If Vivax is mafia with me, why was he intent on swapping us in for sharkie rather than himself? If I'm mafia with Vivax, why do I instantly townread you after you flip your read on Vivax, then proceed to re-eval and, without Vivax having posted much, do a bunch of analysis after which I scumread you? | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:22 RtaniSoul wrote: Also, if you seriously still scumread us after you've calmed down about being the hunted rabbit all of a sudden, I find it exceedingly unlikely that it's possible that you're town. I know how narcissistic this sounds but it's really hard for me to believe that you can honestly believe with the amount of effort we've put in the game and the unlikely hoops and analysis we've thrown out, having a longer filter than Superbia whilst not having 90% one liners, and the fluidity of our reads, I really have no option other than to believe your reads aren't genuine. >> this is why i think you should join me in semi-retirement lol >< let scumreads get to you too much | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:37 Grackaroni wrote: If you look through the entirety of my filter I think my accusation has been reasonable. Especially the post I made where you point out something that I did that's unlikely to come from mafia and argue that it therefore must come from mafia, and then you point out something Vivax did that's unlikely to come from mafia and argue that it precludes him from being mafia. There's also just the randomness of Vivax's accusation against you during day 1, which goes along with what I said to Sicklucker. And I'm not sure why you're calling me out for not calling you town while saying that Vivax is town because he wouldn't be calling you scum as mafia. But anyway. . . I would like to see some Silverika games. The difference between you and Vivax is that Vivax calls me mafia literally every single game except when I'm mafia. As for the 'unlikely to come from mafia and therefore it must come from mafia', it was more related to the fact that those actions have defined most people's reasons for townreading you including my own. It was more explaining how they can make sense from scum which felt like a more reasonable explanation than I could think of for any of the other people on the mission. | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: And for a final explanation, I'm saying this: 1) Silver/Sharkie seem really likely town 2) Therefore, Vivax must be scum 3) But then the votes for the first mission wouldn't make sense 4) Unless the team was both Vivax & Artanisoul, in which case it could be perfectly viable for scum to approve. 1 implies 2. 2 implies 3. 3 implies 4. Now, by the time I get to 4 I think it's reasonable to say that maybe I should just reconsider 1, which is what I'm doing now. You guys are saying that I should think be thinking that Vivax is on a team with Sharkie/Silver. That's possible but it isn't where my logic for Vivax being scum came from in the first place. If I'm considering one of Sharkie/Silver scum (Silver) then I would just re-evaluate my Vivax read entirely. fair (maybe might have already said this in my very first post about your theory and i still want to be called amazing and smart and awesome >>) also i just want to say: pffffffffftttt ^^ cause it's fun and yeah, different people are held to different standards. the other wearying part of mafia @.@ | ||
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On February 09 2017 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: And I still don't quite get the distinction. There are plenty of people (you) saying that Vivax wouldn't have chosen not to put himself on the mission as scum. So there isn't much reason to treat the two "unlikely for scum to do" things differently. 180ing on a read is something different than letting town decide on the fate of several missions. As for passing the first mission, that's fairly normal. Scum tends to pass the first mission; it's the fact that Sharkie was contested that people believe it's a valid argument to make. The reasons for the actions you'd have taken as a spy are more clear than Vivax, and I don't see Vivax as a flashy scum player. Especially the threatening to put us on the mission instead of Sharkie seems like something that doesn't click with me on that. Do you still believe we're mafia? | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:29 sharkie wrote: Also my main point of all the things I posted is not defending Grack as resistance. It is that no one considers vivax a spy at all. I can understand that you don't want to believe in a good Grack anymore but how does that make vivax automatically a resistance player?! And don't come to me with crap about how his past play proves that he is not that kind of player. Or how he has played makes no sense of spy play. WELL HELLO THERE neither does Grack's play. But Grack is an obvious spy -> Vivax is not?! -pokes- it's PoE, sharkie. it's not grack MUST be spy, vivax CAN'T be spy...it's what is more likely. for us, we have a hard time by your play seeing you or silver as spies grack switching a read is not nearly as game-throwing if he's a spy as vivax putting up an all-town team would be. but really what lex said earlier i agree with...if there didn't HAVE to be at least one spy in you four, we might suspect one of either grack or vivax (or both) could potentially be fooling us, but they'd probably both end up out of our bottom three. it's the fact that at least one spy is amongst you four that has us looking at all of you (lex wants to add that we've had a lot of experience with vivax, and from that experience flashy scum play is not really his thing, however i realize that you don't want to hear about past experience with vivax. i get that; when i was new the most annoying thing people did was pull the 'meta' card) if we consider vivax and grack's play to be about equally townie (which lex and i at least do, although tonally vivax's arrogance taking potshots at us when he thought he 'figured out' the game gives him a bit of an edge there) then objectively changing one read is less potentially damaging to achieving spy objectives then rolling the dice and assuming town will add a spy to the 'all-town' team. given we know we're town, this is even more true for us than maybe for some of you for us, if vivax is scum, one of the three is way more likely to be scum, so by poe we arrive at grack. even if we say vivax did get a scum on the first team and is scum himself, we still have to find the scum in you three. you and silver are the ones we're most confident on, and we're not sure grack/vivax makes sense as a team, so...yeah back at grack | ||
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On February 09 2017 20:34 Vivax wrote: Well RtaniSoul gets an easy townread now. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hugMG8P.gif) | ||
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On February 09 2017 22:34 sharkie wrote: What is PoE and bussing? No, it's that vivax is getting a free pass. I don't think both of them spies. That's way too deep of a level. That is like considering that you are a spy. No, I don't think the team had failed if we had rtanisoul on it. But then we would probably also have gotten more nayvotes (including yours). But I can't prove anything. PoE is Process of Elimination. And trust me, we haven't given Vivax a free pass. You mentioned people can change their play and I agree that there's a few things that people can change, but a lot of things are things people do subconsciously or just really don't fit into their personality and would never come up with. I believe I'm familiar enough with Vivax that this is the case for him. We also really don't see a situation in which Vivax is a spy without one of you/silver/grack being a spy simply because the risk of losing outright after that if silver decides to put me on the mission next, which given his reads was a very likely option. | ||
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We would like a RtaniSoul/Sharkie/Silverika/Vivax mission at this point in time. | ||
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On February 09 2017 22:57 sharkie wrote: In the end silver and you don't believe vivax is the spy because he is not the type of player to make such risky play isn't that true? Obviously, it is not the only reason but it is a big reason. As a neutral player I do not have this prejudice, do you understand how for me this can be a very likely possibility? (And silver did not put you in the team though. In fact it was never in discussion because I had suggested it but both vivax and silver declined my suggestion and then started to bombard us with spy accusations.) On one hand, I do understand. On the other, I feel like Vivax has made a bunch of plays much less likely to come from a spy than Grack has. Mainly the not putting himself on a mission (you mention he said he wouldn't from the start, my argument would be why would he bring it up to begin with? Plus you can backtrack on your words anyway like Grack has regarding not mentioning what he'd vote for) and the whole play with switching me in for you when he was widely townread that didn't make much sense. As for silver not putting me on the mission: At the time when Vivax made the nomination, it was impossible for him to know that. It would be a very big gamble if he were mafia. I don't think these suspicions were loud enough at the time Vivax nominated his mission that he could be reasonably certain he'd be picked for the next mission instead of us but I could be misremembering. | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:09 sharkie wrote: So your answer is practically yes but you don't want to admit it. XD It's just the most obvious example. There's a lot of tonal things in there too like the mentioned smugness when he believed he 'caught' the two of us that I've never seen scum Vivax do. It's an easy thing to emulate, sure, but only if you actually think of it. I also don't think I've ever brought it up as a reason to townread him before so it should be valid as he isn't aware it's a towntell until now | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:14 sharkie wrote: Since I am running out of people to add in the team, currently if I had to nominate a team I'd propose: RtaniSoul/Sharkie/Silverika/Super I cannot add vivax as he is my prime suspect and if I add Grack the team won't happen anyway. And out of all lazy players super seems the most likely candidate for resistance I guess? How certain are you that Vivax is the spy over Grack? | ||
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From where I'm sitting, the most likely motivation is stubbornness with a healthy dosis of righteousness, which I'd generally see as resistance traits. | ||
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On February 09 2017 21:41 emperorchampion wrote: Hmm your first two sentences are false. I stood up for my initial team, I stood up against 1 scum on the initial 3, I stood up for super as town, now I'm pretty sure that vivax is town. just nobody cared when the first mission passed, until the second one failed. ugh fuck, vivax looks like town to me, same with super still. You're maybe town, unfortunately. sharkie thinking vivax is mafia is logical to me, but I don't see vivax as scum here. silver still town. between sharkie and grack, grack probably town. I didn't really like his crazy theory of rtani and vivax. I can see the basis, but I think it's more likely grack mafia then rtani/vivax. hmm sl I kinda liked his list. I think it's right to exclude grack/sharkie, but I don't trust sl himself. His game position is such that he can just sack himself on the next mission. I think I'm still rolling with sharkie/sl/ +1. +1 is probably tumble, with a pretty outside chance of rtani. sharkie is maaaybe grack, but I think the others are less likely imo. It is very difficult for me not to call you mafia for believing we're "maybe town" when Vivax said we're an easy townread. Vivax. Vivax. | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:19 Vivax wrote: I'm at emc/Grack/superbia Or Grack/you/superbia atm. SL has earned himself a yolo townread from me. But don't ask me why it's all guts. where do you stand on tumble, viva? i notice he's not on there as lex was very annoyingly pointing out, which would imply you think he's town, but we don't have a similar read on tumble (or any certainty of anything at all regarding him lol ><) so why? i'd say what lex already told me he thinks your reason is but i'd rather hear it from you than assume ^^ | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:47 emperorchampion wrote: Great so that makes me scum because.... Three reasons: + Show Spoiler + vanity, narcissism and ego | ||
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Welcome back Tumble, I look forward to your many nuggets of wisdom. | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:54 sharkie wrote: EMC not being in your spy team makes you totally suspect you know? Uhh? EMC is in his first team. | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:59 Tumblewood wrote: pro tip if you split enough bread tabs in half you can fill up a plastic baggie with half-bread-tabs What's a bread tab? | ||
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On February 10 2017 01:02 sharkie wrote: Vivax, RT - your thoughts on super? Not sure. I kinda have this feeling the two last scummers are EC/Tumble or Super/SL and I'm edging towards the former. Think I've mentioned that before. | ||
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On February 10 2017 02:29 Tumblewood wrote: lookin at this there are only 5 players in this game trying to convince anyone of anything. ec particularly pisses me off though for how much analysis he has despite that If you could turn 5 into 6, I would be most grateful. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:45 sharkie wrote: Won't they just post the games which are furthest away from how they are playing this game if you ask them directly? I doubt they'll be aware of exactly how they played in each game they ever rolled as scum. I certainly am not. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:47 Silverika wrote: Go read the damn links that we already fucking gave. Why are you getting upset at this simple request? I asked for the best game you feel you've played, I really don't understand why that would upset you. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:53 Silverika wrote: Well let's see: First silver has basicly been shit on by sevral players Second we gave the scum games and then they don't get read Third, both me and silver have no tolatance anymore we expected this game to maybe be a week or two not a god damn month Fourth, nobody has really been trying to narrow anything down and instead turns into this piss fight on how one must play Faith, both me and silver are fucking tired. I'm working overnights and silver is still dealing with radiation for her cancer so we have like no tolarance anymore I'm sorry to hear that. I had no idea @RL stuff and hope everything turns out okay. I understand the frustration from how everything appears to be turning into a piss fight. It doesn't feel like the thread has gotten much further, but there's been a few indications from Grack that make me somewhat uneasy with him being the last suspect, so I want to in the case of him not being the spy give him a fair chance and consider everyone else no matter how strong I feel my townreads are on them. I would still appreciate it if you told me which of the three games you felt was your strongest game, and I will actually go through it. | ||
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Also time to play heroes. Will be busy tomorrow mostly. Also also still want a scumgame from you grack. | ||
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On February 11 2017 05:25 RtaniSoul wrote: Everyone shut up. In the next 25 hours I only want to hear Superbia or people talking to Superbia. This is his moment. If he fucks off we all vote no anyway. | ||
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On February 12 2017 02:49 Silverika wrote: Well if grack is a spy, superbia would be a partner. I'm sticking with my sharkie and Rtani Soul are Town. Ika also doesn't see anything from grack that makes him want to change his mind and call him Town. I do think only one spy was on the mission. I guess sharkie, grack could work but I really don't see it. Ika is going all conspiracy mode on Vivax/grack but I think that is even less likely. ~SW We don't really see it as a necessity that there's scum on the mission. It's very unlikely that Grack expects that there's much hope of the mission going through. | ||
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On February 12 2017 04:13 Vivax wrote: Final words for postgame cred: My resistance picks. Swika + RtaniSoul + SL + TW I'm fairly sure that this passes. Then you add me and the game is wrapped up. All troublesome choices like Grack/sharkie/super/emc are excluded. This is the only team I'll ever approve. Why are you so sure on SL/TW being town? | ||
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On February 12 2017 04:57 sharkie wrote: Also rtani, what team would you send at the moment? Probably still the same team I have in my head. Today was a lazy day and tomorrow I'll be busy until like 2 hours before deadline. @Vivax I still don't understand how you can be certain that the spies are in grack/sharkie/emc/superbia and write off SL/TW for them. I read what you wrote but I don't. | ||
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I'm sorry, we've actually read past D1. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:24 RtaniSoul wrote: I'm driving Tina crazy thinking too hard about the game >> it's become as bad as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_BKKnHgas we keep trying to settle on the best four :/ and every time we come up with names he's like...'but what about x? and y? and z? and how about the pink elephant over there?' and it's just like >< well eventually we're going to have to just settle on what we believe to be true so ls if you're town bleed green for me baby lol >< | ||
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Sorry bro, the gig's up. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Okay just saw we have 1 successful mission and 1 mission that was sabotaged. Interesting I should look at context of everything in more detail later. I am a experienced player although not in this type of format expect in voice. Okay will check your fitler for why that team. actually maybe we should just let you lead us. who are the spies ls? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:35 Grackaroni wrote: It is right back to day one. I said that it was one of Super/Tumble on the day that EC proposed that team. And then I called out EC for not changing the team after saying he was having doubts about the team before I wrote a post about it. if you're town and right we'll send you a sticker post-game? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote: lol. But mine at least had some discussion and an active day. Yours was "I'm choosing myself..." into everyone afking. Why did you vote against your own team? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:40 Grackaroni wrote: Well if you're super set on that being the team I don't think that I would ever be mafia with them. lol yeah we're super set on a team...that's definitely what i would have gotten out of reading our last several posts, too i mean the fact of the matter is grack, you're already doing a great job getting us to doubt ourselves regardless of what alignment you are...but really i don't think our read is going to ultimately depend on you unless you suddenly start shitting resistance rainbows...we're still trying to work it out @.@ | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:45 sicklucker wrote: grack alone makes little sense i think. probably both You think sharkie and grack are both spies? | ||
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I'm glad we finally have a confession out of you. | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:50 sicklucker wrote: altho if supers scum I have no idea why hes trying to be so against everyone and not trying to pocket me even a little He was the one that gave you more of a chance than anyone else when you were being a shitter at the start. What makes you say that? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:50 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know how many more rainbows I can shit to be honest. I even had the support of Tumblewood. TUMBLEWOOD. lol that means shit all with me ^^ tumble is not exactly the person i turn to in order to solve games >> he's the guy i lynch for making no fucking sense at all lol >< | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:51 LightningStrike wrote: After reading some filters I think EC is confirmed scum. He hasn't done anything useful plus his stuff on page and 2 in his filter look really bad with trying to change his nomination. Sharkie's filter looks okay but however knowing it was Chairman Ray's slot probably is scum on that rule alone Superbia looks okayish atm but flailed pretty hard at points. Lex/Tina Hydra idk how I am going to read them since I don't have a good reading record on Lex but decent one on Tina. will see if I can talk to Tina to get better read on her/Lex's slot. Vivax looks townie with his directing people and being a bit bold on the first nomination. Plus he brought up a good point on EC's slot at the time with it being a double replacement slot. >> you have a good read on me, do you? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:51 sicklucker wrote: im acualy thinking ls slot is more likely town. cant wait to read your posts siiiiiccckkklucker can we have a pajama party? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:54 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I usually good at reading you Tina Anyways so who you think should be on this next team and why? lol >< that's really not how i remember it. i remember taking you in often when i roll scum but placing that aside...we're still debating. we get the final say if people can't agree, so we're suffering that wonderful doubt that comes with ultimate power! \o/ that's why i'm prodding at you cause i think i can read you better than most here and it would make our lives infinitely easier we know we want to take silver EC is almost confirmed scum for us super i haven't liked all game grack we just can't trust...like gut and logic says he's the most likely spy who failed the mission that leaves vivax, sharkie, sl and you personally i'm pretty okay with rolling the dice on sl this game based off feels but vivax, sharkie and your slot we've been waffling back and forth on, and lex isn't as comfortable with sl anyway :/ (lex has had sudden doubts on sharkie because grack's activity kinda looks maybe town lol >< i've been going with his read on sharkie because he was so certain on it) | ||
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so i guess right now we're at: us/silver/vivax/sl probably lol >< unless we suddenly change our minds again | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:05 RtaniSoul wrote: i just asked lex if he was still waffling on vivax lol >< and of course now he's not anymore so i guess right now we're at: us/silver/vivax/sl probably lol >< unless we suddenly change our minds again nvm he's still waffling on vivax | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:06 LightningStrike wrote: You pocketed me with feels and it not like Titanic and Storm ever happened >.> Anyways fair enough once you two can agree on a team please post it Tina? <3 >> those are not recent games my friiiiend -rsoul ego has been engaged!- | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:07 RtaniSoul wrote: Tina's horribly misinterpreting me >> I'm pretty sure both Vivax and Sharkie are town, but slightly more certain on Vivax and I feel horrible for wanting to put SL on the team rather than Sharkie but PoE and a bunch of side factors heavily suggest he's town whereas I COULD be wrong on Sharkie. That and I'm really not convinced Grack is the scummer so I'd rather have insurance. waffle waffle waffle waffle >> | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:08 LightningStrike wrote: You haven't played a game in a long time Tina that's why >.> shhh lies lol >< what team would you put up? | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: Tina and Lex is Waffling pretty hard. Hmmmmm. Thanks, I hadn't noticed | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:10 Grackaroni wrote: lol Sharkie/VIvax make it so hard for me because neither of them are expected to play a really good scum game and they are both looking townie. But it was you that pushed me into accepting that mission when we obviously should have rejected. I was sabotaged!! obv it's just rels fucking with us. there are no spies. he just arbitrarily fails missions and watches us all flail 0.o | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:10 Grackaroni wrote: lol Sharkie/VIvax make it so hard for me because neither of them are expected to play a really good scum game and they are both looking townie. But it was you that pushed me into accepting that mission when we obviously should have rejected. I was sabotaged!! | ||
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OH YEAH I'M TOTALLY A SPY!! i just don't get why people simply don't ask me o.0 | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:17 LightningStrike wrote: I mean the amount of waffling seems a be townish for you I don't remember you waffling this much as scum but then again it been to long since you played >.< eh...it is and it isn't. i can tunnel the shit out of people as town too *coughtumblecough* | ||
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On February 12 2017 08:21 RtaniSoul wrote: I'll also be honest, part of me wants to switch more than just grack because he's been trying hard and I at least want to give him valid hope that the mission might pass if he's resistance. i've already mocked him for being too nice ^^ | ||
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On February 13 2017 21:51 Superbia wrote: Can we get some people openly agreeing on how good this team is? Su- On February 13 2017 21:50 Superbia wrote: Casual. No fu ##reject | ||
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Starting assumptions Silver/me Starting out with Silver and myself being in all effect confirmed town. I already had a very strong feeling on Silver being town before, and it's only compounded through dick move analysis after silver went emo on a mild amount of shade thrown on them by sharkie. We've put in too much effort to be a spy and that should be obvious by now. If Silver is spy, and to the rest if we're spy, the game is by all means over. EC Next, EC is confirmed mafia. Throughout the game he has taken very floaty stances as mentioned by I think silverika. His Grack townread came off a shaky SL scumread that when challenged, he almost immediately dropped. He's also dropped off the map and though some people really don't like this argument, the fact that the slot's been replaced twice already, including once from HtS whom has played through a game where she was quite sick as town all but condemns them in our eyes. Summary This leaves 2 spies in a group of 6, of which at least one is between sharkie/grack/vivax. To make things simpler, I will attempt to rule out certain combinations that don't make much sense and attempt to come to a set of scenario's where we can guarantee a win by mission 5. Connections Super Super/EC seems unlikely at first, especially if the remaining mafia is not Vivax. They both voted against the first and second mission that went through, with the second one failing. It is important to note that spies don't have the ability to communicate with one another, but in a scenario in which Sharkie or Grack is mafia, 2 spies voted against a mission with a spy on it and all 6 resistance players plus the spy voted for it. On the other hand, during EC's mission, he said: On February 01 2017 06:26 emperorchampion wrote: @art I don't really see a compelling reason to switch super for grack? makes sense to put both on to me Sorry this is from mobile For his nomination he didn't want to swap grack in for super despite thread pressure, for which there's little reason for him to do so unless that would change the spy total to either 2 or 0. This leads me to believe that Super and Grack are opposite alignments, and thus Super is never mafia with Grack. I still see it as a possibility however that Super is mafia with EC, which would suggest to me that the only viable combination with Super as mafia is Super/Sharkie/EC. Tumblewood/LightningStrike TW/LS is an interesting slot as well. His nomination was TW/Grack/Vivax. If he's a spy, it doesn't really make sense for him to send himself with another spy, though it's possible he didn't believe the mission would go through. He's hardballed on Vivax being town and on Sharkie being mafia leading me to believe he's most likely to be a spy with Grack. Though he went softer on sharkie later and scumread them about equally, I don't believe TW has the balls to hard townread AND send spy teammate Vivax on a mission with him. What speaks in favour of TW being mafia is that EC voted for his mission. This is also something pointing towards one of Grack/Vivax being mafia rather than Sharkie. The two combinations I can see for TW/LS are TW/Grack/EC and to a lesser extent TW/Sharkie/EC. Sicklucker Sicklucker has been the punching bag for most of the game and has not been on any mission other than the unanimously rejected mission of RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Vivax which provides little information. A large point in his favour is that EC nominated a Super/TW/Silver team, and with Silver being for all intents confirmed, we have to conclude that either EC sent an all-town team or SL is town. In the scenario in which EC sent an all-town team, we have to dig a little deeper. Vivax mentioned halfway through the approval process of M1 that he will treat SL as perma scum. Half a day later, he's considering a scenario in which SL is town. His opinion change on SL to potentially add him on a mission as the first person to openly do so doesn't feel like a likely spy/spy scenario due to the favorable position Vivax was in at the time. Considering this combination unlikely. I don't believe in a Sharkie/SL team because of this post: On February 04 2017 18:00 sharkie wrote: - sicklucker: approving/rejecting keeping secret only works in real life scenarios imo. There is so much meaning lost when you type something instead of seeing your other players face to face. So I don't think you can avoid keeping it open that at all imo. In this setting the more you post the more information you give other players so that's why people who don't post a lot seem very suspect. P.S. Vivax I hate you for not choosing yourself over me. Sharkie is talking to SL as if he thinks SL is town. Given the amount of suspicion ousted towards SL at the time, this combination seems exceedingly unlikely. It's also hard to see a Grack/SL spy team due to the incredible certainty in which Grack put away SL as mafia, though possible. This post also doesn't feel spy on spy: On February 12 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote: lol. But mine at least had some discussion and an active day. Yours was "I'm choosing myself..." into everyone afking. Unless we're talking Toad/VE TL Mafia LI kind of hate it seems rather unlikely, thus I consider SL to basically be town, with an outside chance of being mafia with Vivax or Grack. Conclusions Combinations that I view as plausible: EC/Sharkie/Super EC/Grack/LS EC/Sharkie/LS Combinations that I view as possible but unlikely: EC/Vivax/SL [gap] EC/Vivax/Super EC/Grack/SL This excludes the scenario's in which two of the people in the second mission are mafia, and doesn't go into my personal feelings of the slots itself (other than EC/Silver/me). Going forward Myself/Silver/SL/Vivax is the mission with the highest probability of success. Presuming my analysis is correct, they are either both spies, or, far more likely, neither are spies. The only contingency I haven't looked at for this is whether it's likely Vivax is a spybuddy with Grack or Sharkie, though my initial experience throughout the thread suggests it isn't the case. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:15 Vivax wrote: I think it's Grack/sharkie/Emc given how superbia acted lately, which I liked That doesn't make sense. You think he randomly decided to take my/sharkie's side when he could've kept the thread split in two and have him be on the townread side? I doubt it. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:18 sharkie wrote: He's been spouting such nonsense since 4 player team nomination began. First, the team was sharkie/rt, now it is grack/sharkie. When will you realise that vivax has spouted a lot of nonsense this game and furthermore is the only player who has switched player allegiances so often. This is really not a mafia trait. | ||
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Static reads, floaty uncommitting reads, read strength and arguments not matching up | ||
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It's obviously never quite as simple as that but yeah. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:36 Vivax wrote: You will need to walk people through with quotations if you want to convince them when they have known how I play for years. Btw RtaniSoul I'm not sure who you refer to when you say it makes no sense. I don't see a grack/sharkie team ever. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:49 Superbia wrote: Putting me and ec and someone in team 1 & 2 in a team is a joke and you should feel bad for even suggesting it. The vote thing has been accounted for. Without communication it is still possible it happened. | ||
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On February 14 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote: You really think I would put forward and all town team as scum and then vote pass on it? :p It's what I did last resistance game in hopes of getting mad cred for it when it didn't go through | ||
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On February 14 2017 17:15 Superbia wrote: Perhaps the tw/rtsoul/x world is real How can you even be entertaining us being a spy at this point? Where is this coming from? | ||
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On February 14 2017 18:06 Superbia wrote: This mission probably failing. Honestly I think Vivax is pretty town. And SL just seems lazy. I feel like the mafia in this team would be between you and silver. So... you think Vivax and SL look townier than Silver or myself? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/IUAxjXK.gif) | ||
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On February 14 2017 18:49 Superbia wrote: You have had many reads this game that were absolutely opposite to mine: - TW - SL early - Sharkie Probably more. Coupled with the fact that you have been tunnelled on me being mafia from d1 with seemingly no real re-evaluation. So because my reads differ, I must be mafia. Wow, good reasoning there buddy. As for my read on you, it hasn't changed much because you haven't done much for large swathes of the game. The main reason you aren't a scumread at this point is that EC is practically confirmed mafia and the votes make it unlikely. There really isn't much that you've posted that I remember to get the impression that you're resistance. | ||
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On February 14 2017 18:55 Superbia wrote: What a load of shit. I still get the mafia treatment from you. This is one of my main issues (in this game in general). I should be pretty town yet everyone still treats me as mafia. My d1 was incredibly town and I likely pointed out 2/3 mafia. I was incredibly town when the team that was going to fail got voted through. Your crocodile tears might be taken more seriously if you weren't living by your signature this game. I haven't seen you do anything you're not capable of doing as a spy. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:00 Superbia wrote: You do realize my meta has changed mainly because of real life changes, right? Look at the game as a whole instead of saying "you haven't done anything that can't be done as scum". Am I likely to be mafia? What team can I be in? And the only team I can be in is vivax/superbia/ec. Then evaluate if that is the team this game and move on. quite a lot of effort went into the initial analysis, and naturally we were hoping to get a good result with the current team; when we get the chance, of course that will happen. we owe that to everyone when considering our own team to put up, assuming that this game is as it seems and the mission will fail what exactly do you not understand about our read on tumble/ls? | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:04 Superbia wrote: What did TW do that is outside of his mafia range that made you townread him d1-d4? It was a toneread, and we didn't townread him entirely throughout d1-d4. We operate off tonereads early game. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:11 Superbia wrote: TW's slot was super mafia, and all LS has done is "I'm town and I voted pass". That's like, your opinion, man. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:11 Superbia wrote: TW's slot was super mafia, and all LS has done is "I'm town and I voted pass". so correct me if i'm wrong; your saying that you don't understand our read is actually that you didn't agree with it? we've already discussed tumble with you because we didn't agree with you, and i personally did not find your response to match how strong your read was as for ls now, i don't know. tonally i find it kinda town but i'm reluctant to go with that gut feel when i know that i have a soft spot - maybe even a blind spot - for ls, and lex also thought that ls was pretty quick with his reads...i forget who mentioned that first; maybe it was you. i think it was sorry, he got frustrated and went out walking, and i've been doing reading for class so if i'm not really plugged in to the conversation at present, that's why | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:15 Superbia wrote: Because people seem to be incredibly content to keep reading me mafia. Even after "thinking" I proposed AND voted on an all-town team, people still seemed to think I'm mafia. Nothing wrong there. i can understand the frustration. as either alignment really. lol >< my first resistance game (voice) i was in vivax's spot and new i was town, but everyone just assumed i was scum because the first mission passed without ever questioning it. admittedly that may be one of the reasons i really don't care for resistance. played this game cause of lex but i digress...my issue with you (not 100% on what lex said, the week started and this was his show again lol ><) is not that i'm certain you're scum/spy/whatever in the slightest. it's that i can't get a resistance read off you. i don't trust you. i'm not sure what it would take me to get there, if you are resistance, but working out how we see the game may help. and again, i realize i'm a bit disconnected so please don't get annoyed if i ask you things you've already spoken about | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote: Surprise surprise!!! Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy Hahaha if you're resistance this is not helping | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:21 Superbia wrote: Okay, so: I'm considering you guys because: 1. There's probably mafia on this team. 2. We've had a lot of disagreements read-wise. 3. You seem to be content in keeping me status-quo mafia throughout the game. agreed on points 1 and 2 what makes you think point 3? | ||
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that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:24 Superbia wrote: It's the feeling I have had throughout the game. It may be unfair to just point you out, as it definitely it not the two of you. The only time I feel like you've really evaluated me is when you guys had the disagreement on d1. lol i'm trying >< help me help myself. also help me help lex. you may not have noticed, but he finds it highly offensive to be scumread when he's trying so hard. it's not a rational thing he does, but personally i'd prefer to not take time out of all the work i have to do to get him back on an even keel over a forum game lol >< | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:26 sharkie wrote: I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you. But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end" that can come from a townie mindset, to be fair. if you're resistance in this game, and everyone is reading you as spy, it actually is to a spy's advantage to keep that presumption going. also often those statements aren't serious. context is important also you did say it about us >> i remember. cause it annoyed me that it was inaccurate. i try not to argue every time i see an inaccuracy though, or this thread would be much, much longer | ||
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your current theory is us, correct? well, it's not us, though we may be scum-siding. in fact, since we liked that team, we definitely are, presuming it failed help me understand why tumble's early play was definitely scum to you? as i said earlier, your previous explanation seemed very...uncertain...for such a certain read. i remember (unless i'm attributing this to the wrong player) you coming back and just announcing tumble was scum. that seemed like a really hard read. but your explanation just seemed more uncertain, and that still seems to be one of your strongest reads in the game | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:31 Superbia wrote: You can't blame me for being paranoid though. x; i don't lol >< the only think i'm blaming you for is interrupting other things i should be doing ^^ if you knew lex you'd know we were 100% town just by how upset he's getting. i'm perfectly capable of faking emotion and most things as scum, mostly cause i hate it when people claim i'm cheating by being emotional as town. he is not. ego lol >< | ||
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sorry about that. i meant, we'll make an effort to try to see as many possibilites as we can, including a town you, super. all i'm asking is that you also do us the same courtesy. i'm not demanding that we be townread just because people are upsetting lex lol >< anyway, that analysis was all his, and i'm not 100% where he is on reads; i was busy all day yesterday and we haven't really sat down and discussed it today, other than looking at the votes and going that doesn't really look good @.@ he thought maybe ls was scum voting an all-town team...it is something a scum-ls would likely be capable of, but that's probably wishful thinking as for sharkie, i don't know if lex has mentioned it cause again...yeah,..but i was getting a sense of stubborn, unchanging reads from him that lex wanted to look into sorry if you're resistance, sharkie, but you started giving me the heebie jeebies a bit ago kinda don't want to get too into reads cause i know my game sense is hardly complete :/ but yeah | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:36 Superbia wrote: I have multiple theories at this point in time. As for tumble, it mainly comes down to: 1. People are townreading me. 2. TW comes into the thread and attempts to devalue the townread while giving no read on me. This is an obvious mafia play. 3. I pressure him and he concludes I'm mafia based on (iirc) nothing. Like I'm just suddenly mafia. 4. TW is then just perpetually afk throughout the game. nh. i remember him being one of the first to seem to be trying to figure out the game by voicing suspicion on you, and that was one of the reasons i at least was leaning town on him early; perhaps i should look at that closer it does make sense that shade without a commit would seem scummy to you if you're resistance. as for afk, tumble is not...well...what i would call a high-activity or reliable player anyway. if it makes you feel any better, his not scumreading us kept pricking at me lol >< i think we're obviously town but tumble hard scumread me for bullshit while making up reads and lying, all as town, last game i played with him. it seemed like maybe i should see more of that from a town tumble...or maybe he learned not to be a tard last game because of it...so i ended up kinda nullish on that and just uncomfortable but the early probing had me townleading\ hold on; i'll look again | ||
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On January 28 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote: yeah I see no reason to TR superbia for what he's done this game... he's instituted some official unofficial rules, but that sort of stuff is NAI in my book. also he's been gone for the last 15 hours now out of ~30, so could you please explain (sw/ika), why you think he's town? eh i don't really read this the same way you interpreted it, tbh. it looks more like probing for silver's alignment than making a judgment on yours on the other hand, it is awfully reasonable. and part of me feels bad for reading anyone this way, but tumble doesn't exactly strike me as a reasonable person. if he's spy for anything, i'd say it's that, not the above post | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote: lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x; lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:57 Superbia wrote: Wut about his read progression on me? Which goes: 1. Superbia has done nothing townie this game. 2. Superbia is possibly town for being in charge (??? bit of a conflict with 1). 3. Superbia could be leading shitty mafia team mates to a victory (10 after point 2, I think this is actually townie). 4. No change, I'm just mafia for the rest of the game at this point. Point 1 I found suspicious. Point 2 is weird, as it gives a townlean for me for things that were "not townie" first. Point 3 I like, at it showcases someone quickly changing their mind after making one point. Point 4 is pretty scummy imo. i'll poke at lex to dig into this. he just walked back in the door. at the very least, i do believe you could have this reaction as resistance lol >< i only got as far as his early play, not his whole read progression | ||
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On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote: My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong | ||
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On February 14 2017 23:08 Grackaroni wrote: This is you right here saying that it could be a strategic move for Super to choose/vote for an all town team. Also none of you guys seem to understand that the next mission needs 2 spies to fail. The only time this matters is if we pass this mission. Otherwise it just pushes our problems forward to the last mission where we do need a spyless 5-man mission. | ||
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On February 07 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote: Hmm I looked into grack but I'm not sure. Look at these posts: I think we are (were) at similar points in this game. Another issue with grack as scum for me, is that when I look at sl's play it completely turned at mission 1. I'm thinking through if sl passes mission 1 for a town read on either sharkie/silver. If you look at all the reasons that he fails attempt 3 vs attempt 4: it's grack not on the team, leader not on the team, and not silver nominating VS silver on the team anyways, sharkie on the team, and leader still not on team. I don't see how town sl votes down my team by votes up vivax's team, so sl as scum conditions my read on grack as well. Also given this: Don't see grack/sl, putting his team mate at the bottom, don't think scum usually does that. Especially since I think that grack has pretty easy out for a town read on sl earlier. Pretty sure given the interactions silver/sl is not a team. Maybe I'm just mega tunneled but I'm also running out of places to look, I'm in an sl/sharkie world right now. This one. | ||
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On February 15 2017 02:35 Grackaroni wrote: Can't we just say that it's never Grack? Unless you're with vivax it does seem exceedingly unlikely. | ||
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I'm very much relieved now. Thanks SL. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:11 sicklucker wrote: but ec is pretty confirmed as mafia and I think its pretty clear were not together. you dont bus that hard in this game With how dead in the water you looked at the time I don't find this a very convincing argument. I have a nagging feeling that LS is mafia though mainly for how he suddenly had all these reads just coming into the game. Feels atypical of him, and if I'm right it would have to be with Vivax (technically also possible with Silver but that slot is just town according to both play and dick move analysis) | ||
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We also find it pretty unlikely that SL and Vivax had a mindmeld where they both whispered "hey don't fail the mission bro we should fail mission 4 instead because reasons!" so yeah, We think we just win here. | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:18 sicklucker wrote: the same team + ls wins the game. ls over super because obv reasons. super had to vote yes. ls didnt Except many people have suggested teams they voted against themselves. It's really not that hard. He could've just feigned reasons for voting against it/say it was for info or whatever. He was in absolutely no way bound to voting yes for this team. | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:18 sicklucker wrote: im not i will downvote it and it wont pass unless scum votes yes How can you think LS is town when he literally stopped playing once this team went through whilst still playing the other one? | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:20 sicklucker wrote: but that team was getting sent 100%. im saying he wanted the credit of sending it hypatheticly. hes more likely town but hes not grantee like I think ls is LS is exactly the kind of person who would vote yes as spy for an all town team though | ||
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Plus, this team is clean or it has 2 mafia on it so it doesn't really matter. | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:23 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think it was an all town team. But w/e. There's not much else to do right now but send up the next team + 1. It seems pretty dumb to me to reveal 2 spies in 5 people when you only have to show 1 out of 4. -squints at- what scum by himself passes mission 3 leading into mission 4? or you think it's 2 spies on the mission? | ||
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lol forgive me if i sound overly paranoid but you seem a bit peeved right now ^^ | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:29 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like being wrong when it seemed overwhelmingly likely that I would not be wrong. being right is more important than winning the game now? xP | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:30 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think Vivax is all that upset with me. Something like that did happen to me in a game once though. :/ you're not amusing us by being this serious pfffft | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: Mission Successful On February 15 2017 07:23 Grackaroni wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/45p9fTJ.gif) | ||
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On February 15 2017 07:38 Grackaroni wrote: We might just be waiting for EC to show up to concede. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gntTXs9.gif) | ||
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Too mad to be scum. THE GRACKEN! | ||
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Ggs | ||
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On February 15 2017 17:47 sharkie wrote: Please explain LS's thought process. Apparently you know him It shouldn't really matter but here goes. LS is someone who does odd things and generally tends to do perceived townie things without necessarily thinking too much about the consequences in the moment. I therefore find it perfectly possible he'd vote for an all-town mission, especially after just replacing in. Something that makes me lean scum on him is how he A) Came up with a bunch of reads 20 minutes after he said he'd read filters and voiced a for him very strong scumread on EC despite really not having the time to catch up in that time and B) how he's kinda went afk for the last day whilst staying active in the other game. | ||
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??? i don't understand your reaction | ||
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to be more precise, if you think ls is town this is moot to begin with cause \o/ yay voted for a successful mission! us suspecting him shouldn't matter unless you have a reason to believe either we/silver are scum or ec is somehow town this game. and if he's scum voting for a pure mission all the better. where is the sighing coming from? you were willing to say vivax put up an all town team with the hopes he'd get on the second, fail it, and not be scumread while his two scumbuddies were too scummy to over make it on the team. i fail to see how this would be more outlandish than that, especially given who ls is | ||
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On February 15 2017 19:21 sharkie wrote: Because spies need two votes to fail mission 4. I wonder if LS knows that -shrugs- do you disagree that silver and i are town, or that ec is scum? | ||
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then how have we not already won the game? | ||
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On February 15 2017 20:15 sharkie wrote: Because spies have not conceded yet for some reason i don't know that there even is a mechanism to concede when spies don't share a qt lol >< you do understand, however, that if the current mission fails, assuming that silver is in fact resistance and ec is in fact a spy, that we just switch out vivax, sl and super for you, grack and ls, and we win. literally the last two spies would have to be on the failed mission we've won lol >< maybe they think they can wifom us into losing. town derps all the time. but we've won as long as don't wig out and do something stupid and personally, at least where lex and i stand, short of a major revelation...we can't really fathom ec actually being town this game and playing this way. nor can we wrap our minds around a scum silver. it's done! the game is over ^^ -bounces- maybe all that's needed for spies to concede, if in fact they actually can, is for us to make it crystal clear to them that they've lost any opportunity to win | ||
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On February 15 2017 20:32 sharkie wrote: Yeah your suggestion makes winning easy. Spies can concede if all three of them PM the hosts that they concede. ah, fair, didn't see that in the setup lol >< | ||
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On February 15 2017 23:29 Vivax wrote: ... I'm not approving this team btw. Need more time and I'm not super super confident that the game is in the bag already. Why not? The only way we don't instawin here with this team is if one of me and silver is a spy or EC is resistance. Why would either of us not have failed the last mission? | ||
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also, lol @ grack | ||
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:o totally | ||
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Conclusions Combinations that I view as plausible: EC/Sharkie/Super EC/Grack/LS EC/Sharkie/LS Gotem boys | ||
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On February 16 2017 14:30 sharkie wrote: Well GG everyone. When I joined the game, everyone of you already suspected my predecessor Ray as a spy so it was very difficult to blend in as a resistance player. I had actually planned the exact same thing I accused vivax of (yaying an all town and hoping to get in as #4 for the second mission) as there was no other way I could get into three missions to fail them. My teammates were hopeless to begin with either going full spy or just full afk. That is why I was so irritated that none of you could believe vivax doing so (yesterday I realised why, the problem wasn't my overall theory - it was vivax). I still believe if I had failed mission 1 or framed Grack after mission 2 I could have not gotten in more than two fails. 9 player resistance favors town (way more town than spies and mission 4) from a number's perspective so I don't think I could have won this game any other way. What irritated me most though were obviously LS's actions. Came in posting way too fast and then giving the crucial yay vote for mission 3... (not only that but vivax even nayvoted it...) Some of you were upset for vivax nayvoting even though the nomination was successful. Imagine how you would have acted if vivax had been the deciding 4/5 vote to fail the nomination.. Maybe I could have had a chance to sell the vivax/super theory - I don't know... Anyway I tried my best here starting from a horrible position which only got worse as the game progressed... P.S. For anyone who thinks they figured me out the last days - my tone completely changed when LS did his first posts as I already saw the end of the game then. P.P.S. vivax: if Grack and me had been spies, one of us would have failed mission 1 and cruised to easy spy victory. :p hi sharkie ^^ we liked you. good game man | ||
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On February 16 2017 16:34 RtaniSoul wrote: GG wp Sharkie, you had us completely fooled. We scumsided something awful >> called him first though lol >> i get more creeeeeed than yooooouuuuu, and it was even before the replace! -hides from a grack- | ||
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On February 16 2017 16:48 Grackaroni wrote: It's hard to beat Superbia for the cred on the 2nd page of his filter. Ez win. shhhhh i wasn't totally awful most of the game, including reading superbia, nope -whistles- | ||
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