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On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario. Either: 1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team. + Show Spoiler + Latest team suggestionsOn January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 17:26 emperorchampion wrote:
This game is cold as ice lol, I've been following along and I think i want to start with this team:
##nominate: emperorchampion grackattack superbia cause they are known to be cool people. Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 21:54 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:50 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 18:48 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:02 emperorchampion wrote:
Based on my probability estimates this team has a 105% chance of being approved, so let's gogogogo Nope Care to elaborate? I think you should read up since we've discussed it already. Particularly the part where TW came into the game, cast shade on everyone in the original group, and then put up a new one with "this looks right." You come into the thread, in a spot no one can read because Calix didn't do anything, and immediately put up a team without any discussion or any sort of posting that would allow us to read you or any sort of reasoning for the team you picked. I mean you gave a couple reasons on Grack but they weren't really that good. And so far you've just been floating around not doing anything complaining the game is dead. ~SilverWolf77 The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team. That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games On January 31 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 17:59 emperorchampion wrote:Cause grack's a bro: Scum hunting: On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic. On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax. On January 28 2017 08:37 Tumblewood wrote:On January 28 2017 08:07 Vivax wrote:On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul? no, I think you may be even townier for being this bad but I also politely request you be less bad also I am just examining super and swika, and rtani to an extent, just now Town circling: On January 30 2017 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:On January 30 2017 18:15 Superbia wrote:
Gracky, who would you put on a team? I reread through your filter and you actually looked better than I thought. So I don't know lol. One spot would have to go to Ikawolf. I put my nomination early cause I'm pretty fine with any of my town reads: super/silver/grack Can you explain all these towreads and why in particular you chose to exclude us from your team of the three you townread? Also, you townread three people but then put this post in: On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:
tumble/silver/super ?
Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though. So you townread three people and would be o.k. with any of them but get some heat and suddenly it's like, you aren't sure you fully trust two people? ~SilverWolf77 super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two. I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise. Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK. We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. On January 30 2017 08:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2017 08:41 Silverika wrote:On January 30 2017 06:35 sharkie wrote:
Oh god calix is next leader, can we afford that? This is why I'm kind of annoyed the first one didn't pass. That said, Calix's complete lack of activity is unusual for her as either alignment and if we could get a replacement in, if needed, that would probably help a lot with reading that slot. ~SilverWolf Would you be fine with superbia/you/tumble? On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote:
I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:
##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super
##nominate: super silver tumble
@grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention 2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie. *For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver. 3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia. I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia.
i'm still interested in playing where's the mafia with you, grack...out of your option number 3
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On February 01 2017 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 06:35 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:I don't want to be too WIFOMy so I'll break this up into 3 possible scenarios and you can choose which one you think is the most likely scenario. Either: 1) Silver/Super/Tumblewood are all town. The 3 people who are most in favor of the Super/Tumble/Silver team are also town. (1st choice given by Vivax/EC/Artisoul). In this scenario the game is basically solved. The scum team is Me/Sharkie/Sicklucker and we completely flopped, while the entire town was able to effectively coalesce around a town team. + Show Spoiler + Latest team suggestionsOn January 31 2017 18:13 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 17:26 emperorchampion wrote:
This game is cold as ice lol, I've been following along and I think i want to start with this team:
##nominate: emperorchampion grackattack superbia cause they are known to be cool people. Could you replace superbia with sicklucker? Then we can make our no more emphatic ^^ On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 21:54 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:50 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 18:48 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:02 emperorchampion wrote:
Based on my probability estimates this team has a 105% chance of being approved, so let's gogogogo Nope Care to elaborate? I think you should read up since we've discussed it already. Particularly the part where TW came into the game, cast shade on everyone in the original group, and then put up a new one with "this looks right." You come into the thread, in a spot no one can read because Calix didn't do anything, and immediately put up a team without any discussion or any sort of posting that would allow us to read you or any sort of reasoning for the team you picked. I mean you gave a couple reasons on Grack but they weren't really that good. And so far you've just been floating around not doing anything complaining the game is dead. ~SilverWolf77 The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team. That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games On January 31 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 17:59 emperorchampion wrote:Cause grack's a bro: Scum hunting: On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic. On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax. On January 28 2017 08:37 Tumblewood wrote:On January 28 2017 08:07 Vivax wrote:On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul? no, I think you may be even townier for being this bad but I also politely request you be less bad also I am just examining super and swika, and rtani to an extent, just now Town circling: On January 30 2017 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:On January 30 2017 18:15 Superbia wrote:
Gracky, who would you put on a team? I reread through your filter and you actually looked better than I thought. So I don't know lol. One spot would have to go to Ikawolf. I put my nomination early cause I'm pretty fine with any of my town reads: super/silver/grack Can you explain all these towreads and why in particular you chose to exclude us from your team of the three you townread? Also, you townread three people but then put this post in: On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:
tumble/silver/super ?
Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though. So you townread three people and would be o.k. with any of them but get some heat and suddenly it's like, you aren't sure you fully trust two people? ~SilverWolf77 super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two. I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise. Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK. We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. On January 30 2017 08:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2017 08:41 Silverika wrote:On January 30 2017 06:35 sharkie wrote:
Oh god calix is next leader, can we afford that? This is why I'm kind of annoyed the first one didn't pass. That said, Calix's complete lack of activity is unusual for her as either alignment and if we could get a replacement in, if needed, that would probably help a lot with reading that slot. ~SilverWolf Would you be fine with superbia/you/tumble? On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote:
I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. On February 01 2017 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:
##UN-nominate: emperorchampion grackattack super
##nominate: super silver tumble
@grack I think I prefer to have super or myself over vivax on the team you mention 2) Super/Tumble/Silver are still town, but in this scenario one of Vivax/Artisoul/EC is secretly hoping that the team does not pass, and they were only in favor of the team to try to appear townie. *For this scenario I could only really see this being true with mafia! Artisoul. Vivax wanted the Tumble/Super/Silver team early on and EC laid out several different teams that he could have chosen from before settling on Tumble/Super/Silver. 3) At least one of Super/Tumble/Silver is mafia. I believe that this should be all of the possible scenarios. I think the 3rd one is the most likely. I know my role so I know that 1 isn't possible. But even if I didn't I would be quite surprised if both Sharkie and Sicklucker are mafia. i'm still interested in playing where's the mafia with you, grack...out of your option number 3 I think it's one of Tumble/Super with Tumble being more likely town. I actually liked the way you responded to the post so I think a good team that could potentially pass would be Artisoul/Grack/Ikawolf.
If you're trying to buddy us..
you're succeeding 
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EC being stubborn there not giving me the feel goods...though obv that may well be the point. either way, don't think we're up-voting this
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On February 01 2017 07:01 sharkie wrote:
the day of my leadership is nearing :D
-pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie?
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On February 01 2017 07:10 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 07:02 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 07:01 sharkie wrote:
the day of my leadership is nearing :D -pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie? Ignored and accused. But as I read this game correctly you don't even need me to win this game, right? Only 5/6 are necessary to win as rebels
technically
but what i meant is what do you think about who is resistance and who is a spy?
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We're gonna play some heroes if anyone wants to play with us. artanis#1606 on Europe!
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On February 01 2017 07:38 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 07:27 Grackaroni wrote:On February 01 2017 07:10 sharkie wrote:On February 01 2017 07:02 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 07:01 sharkie wrote:
the day of my leadership is nearing :D -pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie? Ignored and accused. But as I read this game correctly you don't even need me to win this game, right? Only 5/6 are necessary to win as rebels We just can't understand you. As far as I can tell you think that Tumble is too pushy. You like Silverwolf because she voted for the first team. And you really liked the first team. But we have no idea why you like that team so much aside from "there's 6 rebels and only 3 spies", which is true for any team. I just felt good about the people at that time. It's the first team with no information, that's all about your feeling only. Obviously, that has changed now. I don't want Super in a team anymore. Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 07:28 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 07:10 sharkie wrote:On February 01 2017 07:02 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 07:01 sharkie wrote:
the day of my leadership is nearing :D -pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie? Ignored and accused. But as I read this game correctly you don't even need me to win this game, right? Only 5/6 are necessary to win as rebels technically but what i meant is what do you think about who is resistance and who is a spy? - Silver is resistance, would need some major changes to change my opinion about that. You I feel good towards too. - E/C is a spy for me because he offered us way too many possibilities for a team. That's a big "Hey, I let you guys decide what you want. Just like me please!" - sicklucker had my benefit of doubt till his weird drunk posts... You guys kept accusing people spies because they don't try hard enough - his behaviour reflects that a lot. - Tumble/Super - one of them is my third possible spy. I just don't know which one of them. Maybe there is a scenario where both of them are spies and they go the route of playing totally against each other I don't know (what I don't believe as that would also make sicklucker resistance). The rest are resistance by process of elimination.
okay, thanks for telling us  you're still in line for our cutest player award lol (also getting resistance feels off you. just don't be afraid to voice your opinion...we get rowdy in here but that doesn't mean we're trying to ignore you)
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On February 01 2017 10:09 Silverika wrote:The fact that this doesn't like the team is a good sign since this is almost certainly a spy at this point. ~SilverWolf7
Given that sicklucker is universally read as spy I feel that this might be WIFOM. More accurately, we're just ignoring all his reads entirely until there's a reason he might be resistance.
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On February 01 2017 15:17 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 15:14 Tumblewood wrote:On February 01 2017 10:09 Silverika wrote:On February 01 2017 07:05 sicklucker wrote:
oh god so rejected The fact that this doesn't like the team is a good sign since this is almost certainly a spy at this point. ~SilverWolf7 I wish it were that easy. sl is always lazy + Show Spoiler +though not usually this lacking in analysis Don't sneak around me, will you approve or reject this team?
You've been awfully subdued this game. Where's the Vivax fire? Why do we not know your opinion on our slot? You liked our list post but then preferred 4 other people. How have your reads evolved since then?
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Preferred 4 other people over us to go on a mission*
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On February 01 2017 18:55 emperorchampion wrote:@rta can you explain the progression on this: Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:On January 31 2017 22:35 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 21:54 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:50 emperorchampion wrote:On January 31 2017 18:48 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 18:02 emperorchampion wrote:
Based on my probability estimates this team has a 105% chance of being approved, so let's gogogogo Nope Care to elaborate? I think you should read up since we've discussed it already. Particularly the part where TW came into the game, cast shade on everyone in the original group, and then put up a new one with "this looks right." You come into the thread, in a spot no one can read because Calix didn't do anything, and immediately put up a team without any discussion or any sort of posting that would allow us to read you or any sort of reasoning for the team you picked. I mean you gave a couple reasons on Grack but they weren't really that good. And so far you've just been floating around not doing anything complaining the game is dead. ~SilverWolf77 The issue for me is that I was dropped in as leader at the same time as replacement, it was my excitement to get going! I prefer to give team first and discuss afterwards since I think it's the best way to find a mutually agreeable team. That was just my feeling following the game since I'm used to more active mafia games On January 31 2017 22:14 Silverika wrote:On January 31 2017 17:59 emperorchampion wrote:Cause grack's a bro: Scum hunting: On January 28 2017 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:I liked his confident (and correct) put down of Vivax's leader logic. On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani His follow up also seems genuine to me. If he had entered the thread with that comment as scum, I would have expected him to use that as justification for having more suspicion/uncertainty on Vivax. On January 28 2017 08:37 Tumblewood wrote:On January 28 2017 08:07 Vivax wrote:On January 28 2017 07:57 Tumblewood wrote:
can't even give you townie cred for winning an argument against vivax. come on, v, get a real reason to scumread rtani Reading between the lines this means that you're fine with superbia and swika but not fine with me not being fine with rtanisoul? no, I think you may be even townier for being this bad but I also politely request you be less bad also I am just examining super and swika, and rtani to an extent, just now Town circling: On January 30 2017 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:On January 30 2017 18:15 Superbia wrote:
Gracky, who would you put on a team? I reread through your filter and you actually looked better than I thought. So I don't know lol. One spot would have to go to Ikawolf. I put my nomination early cause I'm pretty fine with any of my town reads: super/silver/grack On February 01 2017 00:05 RtaniSoul wrote:
Though Tina's waffly on Super still which makes me slightly waffly too grmbl Can you explain all these towreads and why in particular you chose to exclude us from your team of the three you townread? Also, you townread three people but then put this post in: On January 31 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:
tumble/silver/super ?
Basically if the leader puts themselves or not, the question is about who get the more information. Leader putting themselves gives more info to the leader, otherwise gives more info to whoever they put in. So it's a question about who you trust. Not sure I fully trust 2 other people yet though. So you townread three people and would be o.k. with any of them but get some heat and suddenly it's like, you aren't sure you fully trust two people? ~SilverWolf77 super / you having similar thoughts points towards both being town. Similar aggression and level of involvement I think reinforce. I liked super's interactions with tumble. Gracks town read is lower than between you two. I prefer to be on the team since I view it like controlling the variables. In this case it's Grack. If it's not going to pass then obviously there's no point in pushing it, so yeah I'm willing to compromise. Other teams I have in mind are silver/super/tumble, which I saw is already OK for you? Or I think silver/super/vivax is OK. We will yay-vote silver/super/tumble. Have issues with Vivax though. Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 00:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Our biggest problem is that we don't want vivax subbing in for tumble. Kinda equal between Super/Vivax. Show nested quote +On February 01 2017 05:28 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 01 2017 04:26 Grackaroni wrote:
I think there's too many people in support of this team. The fact that emperor is pushing superbia over vivax makes me want vivax more >>
what don't you understand? we both fail to see what's confusing
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We are rejecting. More details when I get home.
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So, here's what I'm thinking.
Tumble and Silver have both kinda fallen off in our opinion. Tumble because he's basically said nothing of value for a while and Silver doesn't really sit right with me atm. The whole not voting for any mission you're not on doesn't make sense to me since if all resistance players would do so, we might as well just cut the first four mission attempts. The only way a mission would go through would be if it was 2 resistance 1 spy and all the spies voted in favour of the mission.
Sharkie and Grack have gone up. Sharkie just feels like such an innocent child in every post he's been making since ~the second mission. Grack is making a lot of decent points and it doesn't feel like he's pushing a specific team but rather he's trying to get the thread going and people to think on scenario's and such.
Conclusion of all of this is that this is a mission without my top 3 townreads (including myself, duh), meaning if my top townreads are correct the 3 people on this mission need to all be town. For that to be true, EC would have to be mafia and have left off a Vivax mafia even though there was an opportunity to put him up without too much resistance. There's just no way this team is good.
Tina also wants to stress that sicklucker is incredibly mafia. Just in case you forgot. Lex isn't as convinced but will roll with it.
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Heroes time
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On February 02 2017 06:18 Silverika wrote:
Well, if missions keep getting rejected, I'm not sure how much more I'll put effort in here. If we can't move forward, I really have nothing to say.
~SilverWolf77
We're not gonna pass any mission we're not on. But if people keep not accepting missions we're gonna be upset!
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Silverika, have you tried reading comprehension?
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On February 02 2017 06:35 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2017 06:18 RtaniSoul wrote:
So, here's what I'm thinking.
Tumble and Silver have both kinda fallen off in our opinion. Tumble because he's basically said nothing of value for a while and Silver doesn't really sit right with me atm. The whole not voting for any mission you're not on doesn't make sense to me since if all resistance players would do so, we might as well just cut the first four mission attempts. The only way a mission would go through would be if it was 2 resistance 1 spy and all the spies voted in favour of the mission.
Sharkie and Grack have gone up. Sharkie just feels like such an innocent child in every post he's been making since ~the second mission. Grack is making a lot of decent points and it doesn't feel like he's pushing a specific team but rather he's trying to get the thread going and people to think on scenario's and such.
Conclusion of all of this is that this is a mission without my top 3 townreads (including myself, duh), meaning if my top townreads are correct the 3 people on this mission need to all be town. For that to be true, EC would have to be mafia and have left off a Vivax mafia even though there was an opportunity to put him up without too much resistance. There's just no way this team is good.
Tina also wants to stress that sicklucker is incredibly mafia. Just in case you forgot. Lex isn't as convinced but will roll with it. Show nested quote +On February 02 2017 06:22 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 02 2017 06:18 Silverika wrote:
Well, if missions keep getting rejected, I'm not sure how much more I'll put effort in here. If we can't move forward, I really have nothing to say.
~SilverWolf77 We're not gonna pass any mission we're not on. But if people keep not accepting missions we're gonna be upset! >> yes reading must be hard. this is what you said so either your a hypocrite or scum or both
The second quote was me pretending to be you.
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Fwiw, Silver, we still think you're town. Just not top town anymore. The main problem was that none of our top town reads were on the mission and that the mission was nominated by our second strongest scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +who for some reason doesn't seem to realize he's our scumread ^^
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alllssssoooo maaaaaybe there's a slim teensy eensy possibility sl isn't completely scum. i will think on it
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On February 02 2017 18:27 Silverika wrote:
Sorry guys, got super busy and I'm exhausted now and don't think I can even think straight to do those filters right now.
As far as emperorchampion Vivax-do you have reasons you want to give him a chance? Are you suggesting putting him on the team and if so why?
I don't consider the replace in scummy. Calix not posting is null. The only points I don't like are the fact he seemed really appeasy as far as putting up teams. It's like he didn't want to ruffle any feathers at all. And I am not sure why you wouldn't put yourself in as team leader on a small team because if you know you are town, then you know 1/3 of the mission is town and you just need to find two more townreads.
Better chance of passing that way.
~SilverWolf77
That's one of the only things EC has done that we don't find scummy. If no one's townreading your slot it doesn't make sense to put yourself up as that mission will never pass the first stage.
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