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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 07 2017 09:04 GMT
#1061
On February 07 2017 18:01 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.

If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie.


Have you even read my posts at all? I put Grack onto my 100% resistance list.
Do you refuse to read my posts or you do keep leaving out things intentionally?

Also why wait for the mission outcome? Just address them now.


I'm mostly referring to rtanisoul, no point of you passing first mission as spy if you don't use it to push the scenario where team 1 was all resistance, so it's obvious that it's your current argument.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:06 GMT
#1062
On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.

If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie.

Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia?


No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie.

No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that?
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:08 GMT
#1063
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 07 2017 09:11 GMT
#1064
On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.

If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie.

Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia?


No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie.

No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that?


How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie.

And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:13 GMT
#1065
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia.
Minimal effort.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 07 2017 09:13 GMT
#1066
On February 07 2017 07:20 Superbia wrote:
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On February 07 2017 07:18 sicklucker wrote:
On February 07 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote:
Like what type of koolaid are you drinking to think that the original 3 was town


dont think it matters its the math play. the two are garanteed town. sharkie just might be a newb who was afraid but hell he even just downvoted the mission so i doubt it


The fucking math play!? You mean the meth play. I had a post detailing why the original 3 had a mafia in them like super likely. Straight from the votes.


loooool
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 07 2017 09:15 GMT
#1067
On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb.


It's not dumb if this mission fails

With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies.

Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you.

Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission."
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:15 GMT
#1068
On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.

If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie.

Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia?


No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie.

No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that?


How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie.

And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster.

Because my doubts on you and grack are as large if not larger than my doubts on sharkie which I've been trying to communicate for the past few days.

Grack could easily have thought of the argument you're making right now to put himself in a better position come day 2. If the mission fails now, everyone will blame both me and sharkie and no one will look at him. That's much better than just blaming sharkie.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:16 GMT
#1069
On February 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb.


It's not dumb if this mission fails

With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies.

Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you.

Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission."

You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:17 GMT
#1070
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.

50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.

50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!"
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:17 GMT
#1071
It has to be disingenuous. But I do not know for what reason. I'm tempted to think mafia.
Minimal effort.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:19 GMT
#1072
On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia.

Why?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:20 GMT
#1073
On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia.

Why?


Check the votes man. Jesus.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:20 GMT
#1074
Get your head out of the tunnel.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:20 GMT
#1075
Like sell me a world where EC and I are mafia and this team fails.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:22 GMT
#1076
This can only be the case if there is a mafia in the original 3.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
February 07 2017 09:22 GMT
#1077
But then we're still never mafia!
Minimal effort.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 07 2017 09:22 GMT
#1078
I can still see a Superbia/Vivax/EC world as that'd explain the day1 nay votes and with the arguments you've made by then it'd have been hard to justify a day 2 pro-vote, plus with thread sentiment going in favour it seems likely it would pass anyway, but yeah, that's just one team. It does seem likely at least one of you would be town.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 07 2017 09:22 GMT
#1079
On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia.

Why?


Check the votes man. Jesus.


Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails).

If it passes, disregard.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18499 Posts
February 07 2017 09:22 GMT
#1080
On February 07 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On February 07 2017 03:14 Silverika wrote:
On February 07 2017 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Methinks the team is Sharkie/Tumblewood/Rtanisoul


I was trying to think of scum sharkie wanting scum rtanisoul on a mission, when he was already on it, as highly unlikely. They only need one fail vote.

~SilverWolf77

That's a pretty good point.


That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do.

This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie.


On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.

If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie.

Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia?


No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie.

No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that?


How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie.

And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster.


So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy?

Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you?
Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT.

So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win?
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