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On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? Check the votes man. Jesus. Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard.
Please respond to my last response. Actually try to put yourself in my position with my reads rather than just trying to force into my perspective with YOUR reads.
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On February 07 2017 18:22 RtaniSoul wrote:
I can still see a Superbia/Vivax/EC world as that'd explain the day1 nay votes and with the arguments you've made by then it'd have been hard to justify a day 2 pro-vote, plus with thread sentiment going in favour it seems likely it would pass anyway, but yeah, that's just one team. It does seem likely at least one of you would be town.
This is probably the only possible team. But even then, the likelihood of every town voting yes is absurd.
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On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? Check the votes man. Jesus. Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard.
I'm not even talking about sharkie's vote.
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On February 07 2017 18:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:22 RtaniSoul wrote:
I can still see a Superbia/Vivax/EC world as that'd explain the day1 nay votes and with the arguments you've made by then it'd have been hard to justify a day 2 pro-vote, plus with thread sentiment going in favour it seems likely it would pass anyway, but yeah, that's just one team. It does seem likely at least one of you would be town. This is probably the only possible team. But even then, the likelihood of every town voting yes is absurd.
On a mission with mafia!
No.
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On February 07 2017 18:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:On February 07 2017 03:14 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Methinks the team is Sharkie/Tumblewood/Rtanisoul I was trying to think of scum sharkie wanting scum rtanisoul on a mission, when he was already on it, as highly unlikely. They only need one fail vote. ~SilverWolf77 That's a pretty good point. That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do. This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie. Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.
If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia? No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie. No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that? How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy? Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you? Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT. So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win?
If you are resistance and think that Grack and Swika are resistance, why did I nominate an all resistance team in the first place? And why should I bother subbing rtanisoul in instead of you when as spy I would suffice?
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On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? Check the votes man. Jesus. Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard.
You make me fume?!
I explained earlier why I voted no in this mission! Has nothing to do with anything except gathering information...
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On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!"
I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing.
Why do you feel this transition is unnatural?
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On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!"
Sharkie can you respond to these two points I made? Is "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" truly what you believed?
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On February 07 2017 18:25 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural?
He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure.
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On February 07 2017 18:25 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:20 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:19 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:13 Superbia wrote:
Btw, when this team fails at least one between myself and EC has to be town. We cannot both be mafia. Why? Check the votes man. Jesus. Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard. You make me fume?! I explained earlier why I voted no in this mission! Has nothing to do with anything except gathering information...
Posts like this make me really sure Sharkie is town. It's this certainty of knowing what his reason was and not understanding how people couldn't believe him. It doesn't even enter his system that people can have scum reasons for it.
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On February 07 2017 18:26 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:25 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural? He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure.
Live resistance, not forum resistance. Whole different ballgame.
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On February 07 2017 18:25 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" Sharkie can you respond to these two points I made? Is "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" truly what you believed?
Yes at that point in time I truly believed that. I still think that one of you is a spy 100%. But that both of you are a spy is very unlikely now.
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On February 07 2017 18:28 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:26 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:25 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural? He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure. Live resistance, not forum resistance. Whole different ballgame.
Only partially. I would say town is better on the forum if town is willing to play it slow.
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On February 07 2017 18:28 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:25 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" Sharkie can you respond to these two points I made? Is "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" truly what you believed? Yes at that point in time I truly believed that. I still think that one of you is a spy 100%. But that both of you are a spy is very unlikely now.
Okay. I think 100% is unlikely btw. Who do you think is the mafia in the team?
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On February 07 2017 18:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:22 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:On February 07 2017 03:14 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 02:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Methinks the team is Sharkie/Tumblewood/Rtanisoul I was trying to think of scum sharkie wanting scum rtanisoul on a mission, when he was already on it, as highly unlikely. They only need one fail vote. ~SilverWolf77 That's a pretty good point. That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do. This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie. On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:06 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:03 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 17:58 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote:
This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure.
If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. Will you take full responsibility for losing this game if this mission fails and we're not mafia? No, cause you could have supported my suggestion of subbing you in for sharkie. No, because we feel more secure in his slot than your slot, so why would we have done that? How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy? Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you? Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT. So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win? If you are resistance and think that Grack and Swika are resistance, why did I nominate an all resistance team in the first place? And why should I bother subbing rtanisoul in instead of you when as spy I would suffice?
I explained my train of thought yesterday. When you nominate a full resistance team and it passes who do you think the team plus other resistance players will turn to when the next mission requires one further person? Duh, obviously the guy who nominated the good team. Again, I am not saying you are a spy. All I am saying is that you cannot make the spies smart in one post and then dumb the other post again....
To the second question, to increase your credibility? I don't know. Imo your sub doesn't make sense as resistance either if you believe RT/me are a spy team
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On February 07 2017 18:29 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:28 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:26 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:25 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural? He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure. Live resistance, not forum resistance. Whole different ballgame. Only partially. I would say town is better on the forum if town is willing to play it slow.
That's not the point. In a live setting it's more about reading faces and stupid shit like that. Forum has far, far more analysis in much deeper ways.
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On February 07 2017 18:16 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb. It's not dumb if this mission fails  With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies. Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you. Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission." You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory.
Have it your way then.
As team leader, I put a spy into the team. He lets it pass cause he'd be at risk if it fails.
Everyone agrees on same team + previous leader.
I request to take out the previous spy and replace it with you as resistance. Denied.
If the team fails, as resistance you would know exactly who to blame: Me. Nobody is so bullheaded to not acknowledge that Grack and swika are simply town. Spies will only let a mission pass if they know that it will get them excluded for the rest of the game.
During nomination phase, we all agreed on swika and Grack, and I even asked you who you think should be the third. You said: Sharkie or yourself. I chose sharkie.
When I make a suggestion very similar to your previous one, where one of the three is someone you suggested previously, this happens:
You refuse cuz being afraid of being on a failing team, which btw isn't in line with your thoughts on sharkie so far.
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On February 07 2017 18:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:28 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 18:25 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" Sharkie can you respond to these two points I made? Is "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" truly what you believed? Yes at that point in time I truly believed that. I still think that one of you is a spy 100%. But that both of you are a spy is very unlikely now. Okay. I think 100% is unlikely btw. Who do you think is the mafia in the team?
Right now? Vivax. He keeps making me repeat points I clearly mentioned before...
But ask me again in a few hours when I calmed down. -.-
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On February 07 2017 18:33 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:29 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:28 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:26 Superbia wrote:On February 07 2017 18:25 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:17 Superbia wrote:
I don't understand sharkie's play at all btw.
50% of the times he knows what he's doing, like voting no on the prev mission and making the big post.
50% of the times he says dumb shit like "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" I feel like he's just a smart guy that didn't have experience and is picking shit up. It's not like he's still being clueless but you can see that he doesn't know how to interpret certain situations. Throughout all his analysis you can very clearly follow why he's doing what he's doing. Why do you feel this transition is unnatural? He's said multiple times he's played resistance before. Pretty sure. Live resistance, not forum resistance. Whole different ballgame. Only partially. I would say town is better on the forum if town is willing to play it slow. That's not the point. In a live setting it's more about reading faces and stupid shit like that. Forum has far, far more analysis in much deeper ways.
Eh. Sure. Whatever. I feel like this is going in a useless direction. :p
Sharkie has said he bases things mostly on votes.
That being said, I'm okay with his responses for now. Which makes this game a little hard.
From my POV there's always a mafia in sharkie/silver/vivax.
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On February 07 2017 18:35 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 18:16 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 18:15 Vivax wrote:On February 07 2017 18:08 RtaniSoul wrote:
You're basically saying "your reads are wrong because you SHOULD be townreading grack and silver and me 100% and sharkie SHOULD therefore be mafia to you if the mission fails so clearly you're mafia with sharkie if it fails!" Which is utterly and incredibly dumb. It's not dumb if this mission fails With me being 100 % on swika grack being resistance, if a team with you + me alongside them failed, I would have forced a scenario where people had to choose between you and me, which is in my interest as I believe you are spies. Grack understood it correctly as he called it a sort of copcheck on you. Now if this mission fails you will still be around to sneak into teams as you can say "but how do you know we were never on a mission." You're only seeing it from your perspective again. I am not certain on grack and yourself. I'm telling you to look at it from my perspective and figure out how it all makes sense from me being town, but you're too tunneled on your tinfoil theory. Have it your way then. As team leader, I put a spy into the team. He lets it pass cause he'd be at risk if it fails. Everyone agrees on same team + previous leader. I request to take out the previous spy and replace it with you as resistance. Denied. If the team fails, as resistance you would know exactly who to blame: Me. Nobody is so bullheaded to not acknowledge that Grack and swika are simply town. Spies will only let a mission pass if they know that it will get them excluded for the rest of the game. During nomination phase, we all agreed on swika and Grack, and I even asked you who you think should be the third. You said: Sharkie or yourself. I chose sharkie. When I make a suggestion very similar to your previous one, where one of the three is someone you suggested previously, this happens: You refuse cuz being afraid of being on a failing team, which btw isn't in line with your thoughts on sharkie so far.
What?
I have consistently and continuously argued with the bolded. I do not believe Grack is simply town. Nor do I believe you're simply town.
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