Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 12 2017 23:29 Koshi wrote:
I can always win mvp twice.

On January 14 2017 13:43 Hapahauli wrote:
/in

Huge activity disclaimer though.

On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa

On January 17 2017 02:58 Vivax wrote:


Can you tell me the story where someone is 100% mafia cause he talks about nonsense when he starts out please.

On January 17 2017 03:02 Vivax wrote:


100 % based on his post sounds like you have a 100 % scumread.

On January 17 2017 03:16 Vivax wrote:
Why is slam scum for his first 4 posts is what I'm asking.

On January 17 2017 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
onegu why are you making reads that you contradict instantly just by reading? why not just wait?

On January 17 2017 03:54 Hapahauli wrote:
So... you're voting for Slam because his opening is bad, and not because you think he's suspicious?

On January 17 2017 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.

Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.

Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.

Damdred for the posts above.

On January 17 2017 11:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you caught up?

On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 12:17 Onegu wrote:


The newbie we were just In I did it and you didnt have any problems then. So why some now?

On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.

On January 17 2017 12:39 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone.

I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that

On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.

I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.

On January 17 2017 14:13 Hapahauli wrote:


That's not really the point. Does town-HF have that many scum reads (most of whom were active in the thread), and instead plop his vote on Damdred to "see where it goes"? His vote seems very half-hearted and uninterested, which is weird as shit considering how many people he was actually suspicious of. You'd think he'd find a target to passionately go after.



Just try. It's not that hard.

On January 18 2017 00:04 Rels wrote:
basically
if one people (LS, Damdred, BM, Onegu ...) comes back + HF we have to lynch Slam
if two people comes back we can lynch HF

On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.

On January 18 2017 02:12 Bill Murray wrote:

this follows what u said earlier that in mylo hf would nail mafia and i agree but i dont want to lose u because i have a town read on you so why cant we find someone other than EITHER of u

On January 18 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Ls vote on hf is so bad and is scrum indicative of him I think, lure she do for no reason

On January 18 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote ls

maybe a bit late but I read hapa's scum games :D

On January 18 2017 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Onegu

Partly scummy, partly lynchbait.

From how the lynch went down, I'd argue Onegu looks the worst.

Why Onegu is mafia:


Firstly, this case is a very typical mafia case. It looks all nice and pretty, but it doesn't hold up to a closer look. The entire post reads as a way for Onegu to take a stance, without actually providing any useful things to town.
1) The analysis is useless. His case boils down to "I think Rels play looks forced", which is unhelpful to say the least. It's a completely subjective tell. Hell, 75% of the post talks about people other than his main scum-read.
2) Onegu talks about Vivax being top town, and "seeing the same thing as Vivax saw about Rels." But it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to do this. Vivax's case on Rels was based on not understanding that Rels was actively catching up in thread and updating his reads while he was posting. Onegu did the same thing this game, and mentions that he does it frequently. Yet for some reason, Onegu doesn't understand what's wrong with vivax's read.
3) The timing is weird. It's a very typical mafia play to bomb a case on a player that no one is really talking about to create chaos. At this point, I had just posted my case on Holyflare, and HF/Vivax votes were on Damdred.


This is just a weird martyr post that feels very forced. It's like he's trying to play up his desire not to lynch HF, knowing full well that he himself (Onegu) wasn't at risk of being lynched.

Why he could be Lynchbait?
Onegu is notoriously hard to read, and somewhat of an inactive player. He also has molded his playstyle to be unreadable on meta, or so he has said in the past.

On balance? Mafia
Onegu seems to be pushing mafia objectives. His push of Rels was very useless. The Holyflare martyr stuff seems very fake. It's one of those things that looks like you're sticking your neck out, but you're really not.

On January 18 2017 02:05 Rels wrote:
The only other lynch I could do is Onegu. But I prefer HF

On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?

On January 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote:


I don't understand the last sentence, what did they not need to do?

And why does Hapa look worse?

On January 20 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
And why do you keep not town reading me but effectively calling me town?

On January 20 2017 01:18 Holyflare wrote:


But that's what I don't get that both you and slam keep perpetuating, why does there have to be a choice between me/hapa?

On January 20 2017 01:14 Vivax wrote:


This is so extremely naive I don't even know

On January 20 2017 02:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Damdred I think is with my margin of error. I do have that "genuine thought process" read on him, but his EoD does look very very bad. Bad enough to reconsider things. Margin for error here because he could just be legit inactive.

Onegu is lynchbaity I guess, but I also feel he's pushing mafia objectives. He's active but not contributing. His Rels case was pretty shit.


Him voting Damdred currently for these reasons is pretty silly. I don't' care how LS and Damdred pitched it - getting a read wrong does not make someone mafia. Also, Rels' death equally implicates Onegu.

On January 20 2017 02:35 Vivax wrote:


You know, the big shiny posts don't a town make. You don't see what I see, you only see what you have to do in order to win the game for your faction, and that gives you away.

I currently believe this game is a shitshow.

Damdred is MIA and I'm starting to believe for good reason cause he's a good hearted guy. Only you and HF -the scum- play this game like it's supposed to be played.

Slam comes in shouting Gollum gollum, Onegu probably didn't read 90 % of the game and just does his thing, but doesn't take the game seriously, I applaude him for trying to though.

BM also probably just skimmed some shit and does his thing a bit like 1gu.

And all of this never affects you emotionally in your posts and that's a giveaway.

But whatever. This isn't a championship game, it's a fucking farce. I'm tilted and I'm not hiding it. I just now know EXACTLY how rayn felt when he quit the forum.

On January 20 2017 02:50 Vivax wrote:


I literally have no idea why you have fun playing mafia onegu. You just don't seem the type. I believe you just like feeling like you are in company. But others look for thrills, good or bad and I'm one of them. So when you see me cursing at HF and HF gnawing at my patience, I can guarantee you that I'm actually having fun, at the very least in retrospect.

On January 20 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote:
I wasn't around when onegu was and slam was the latest post on the page, what's next?

Also how did rels post the martyr thing first? That's a lie. I called out his posts and added him to The List™ and then rels did so afterwards.

Nice try though. I'm biding my time on onegu.

On January 20 2017 04:50 Hapahauli wrote:


Or he's not taking his read on you seriously.

On January 20 2017 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
Friends, fellow mafia players, witness here the fall of Hapahauli caught with his pants misplaced upon his head.

Join me in this glorious revolution of lynching all liars.

On January 19 2017 23:44 Onegu wrote:
Im here. I thought about claiming 1shot cop with red on Hapa or Damdred as that is my scumteam currently. But I figured I would get lynched first flip green and then nothing would happen. People be like lets lynch onegu to make sure his claim is true because it is one shot or some shit and it is frowned upon here.

Anyway my guess is they lynch me or slam. Kill HF. Then lylo kill vt slam. Then people look back at this game and go how did we lynch LS, Onegu, and slam in a row and not see the vets just killing "Lynchbait".

On January 20 2017 19:57 Holyflare wrote:
It's a crazy nothing rant that won't reveal anything but he's a great guy. He's right about your post though. Why did you vote hapa with me yesterday and then make that after? You don't think he's mafia?

On January 20 2017 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
The damdred and hapa team makes perfect sense. PERFECT sense. You have to look at it from hapa's view, he might know damdred is mafia and diverting the lynch from him and that's why he always attributed it to damdred and not me. That makes a shit tonne of sense to me.

On January 21 2017 01:16 Vivax wrote:
I slept over yesterday, but I still think that Hapa + HF is the team.

Is this a hard bus from HF in that version of events? Yes.

Do I want to spend time explaining why? Not today. And there's still a flip and I could be wrong.

On January 21 2017 01:16 Vivax wrote:
I slept over yesterday, but I still think that Hapa + HF is the team.

Is this a hard bus from HF in that version of events? Yes.

Do I want to spend time explaining why? Not today. And there's still a flip and I could be wrong.

On January 21 2017 01:32 Vivax wrote:


You act as if this was the first time I'm talking about HF + Hapa being a team and we don't even know Hapas alignment yet.

Not sure you're the same person that was around the first of half of D2, and N1.

On January 21 2017 01:40 Vivax wrote:


Ok Mr. I don't have a townread but he's in my lynch category. You totally convinced me.

Do you think I really care about this game any more? HF is mafia, end of story. But I stopped caring about whoever wins, in case it wasn't clear. You people can never catch him and in your case, I don't think you want to catch him, no matter what anyone says so doesn't matter what anyone does, it's irrelevant, and so the game is irrelevant.

On January 21 2017 01:46 Vivax wrote:


Yeah it's not like you said HF is not a townread but he's not in your lynch category.
It's not like I voted you to make a point of how ridiculously that is to say, and you just don't get it.

I don't even want to be mad at you let's just get this over with and let HF win. I don't care.

On January 21 2017 01:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you chucklefucks really going to need my vote to secure my own lynch?

BillMurray get in here and finish the job. I know I can count on you.

On January 21 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:
He literally just unvotes himself and survives another day.

On January 21 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
can we concede?

On January 21 2017 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
also sweet slam was mafia

hapa could have saved the game easily by unvoting

On January 21 2017 23:56 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lose, please play

On January 22 2017 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
onegu confirmed mafia gg

On January 22 2017 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
you think mafia is gonna believe you claiming medic hours before the night ends?

On January 22 2017 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
why did you claim btw? to die? to draw out a cc?

don't particularly understand it

On January 22 2017 14:20 Bill Murray wrote:
so bill this game has been a shitfest clownfiesta modkill city trainwreck town probably because ur town
what makes you think youre gonna lynch scum correctly in lylo?
well bill im going completely against my gut and head and doing the exact opposite
thats never failed me in the past
if you know youre an idiot just do the exact opposite of what you want to do

On January 22 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
if I was mafia I would have done some cool play like shooting nobody and winning

On January 22 2017 18:59 Holyflare wrote:


You realise he said he was fake claiming and claimed vt at the start of the game right lol? Are you trying to dumb tell yourself as confirmed? :D

On January 22 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
Something is really fucking off here. Both of you have defended/sheeped me all game and both of you are bow voting me. One of you needs to stop being shit and talk to me.

On January 22 2017 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
Ok here's why I'm town:

1. I did actual scum hunting the entire game looking for inconsistencies and evaluated them at each point.

2. I was super into lynching damdred for his mistake but was extremely quick to back off it when I saw that it could have been just a mistake.

3. I went after hapa, one of the best town players on this site, day 1 and when it came to lynch time I commandeered my own lynch to lynch something that made perfect sense to me (ls being mafia) instead of just lynching the good player who was mafia reading me.

4. I spent the entirety of the night trying to figure out the game and have a conversation with vivax and hapa while pointing out things I didn't like from everyone.

5. The thread was dead and I've spent all game trying to resurrect it and get you guys active and talk insted of making it stale.

6. I went after hapa again day 2 instead of easy lynches like damdred, onegu and slam (well yeh he was mafia but whatever).

7. I put in more activity at n1 than the last 3 of my scum games combined.

On January 22 2017 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Things that don't make sense for me as mafia:

1. Shooting rels over hapa/vivax both of who were sfum reading me.

2. Switching off the better town player in the game because I wanted to lynch ls on inconsistencies.

3. Being this active even though my partner would have to have been slam and inactive?

4. Backing down on things and thinking it through and pushing logical things instead of hounding on crap points.

On January 22 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
That's my final answer. I can't be bothered to fight back if it's just going to be sporadic posts from both of you with no actual content on why you're town. Ridiculous to figure out.

On January 22 2017 23:23 Holyflare wrote:
I literally do not care anymore if that's how you want to play. Cya in 2 days

On January 22 2017 23:28 Holyflare wrote:
You realise if you're town you get 0 points right?

On January 22 2017 23:33 Holyflare wrote:
The only way your vote makes the slightest bit of sense is if you're mafia.

If you're mafia lynching me will give you mvp, well slam being afk almost guarantees that anyway but still lynching me is swag.

If you're town you automatically lose the game abd can't be mvp and get default points.

So the only way you give up trying to figure me out is if you're mafia and that's why I'm staying on you.

On January 22 2017 23:36 Holyflare wrote:
No, if you're right, which you're not, and bm is town then bm gets mvp for not being under suspicion all game and voting on me. And then you get 10 points as default.

So, yes, the only way your vote makes sense is if you're mafia trying to lynch me to secure mvp.

On January 22 2017 23:43 Holyflare wrote:
If you're not mafia and bm is you'll need to convince me and you'd get mvp you tool. I haven't really suspected the dude until today.

On January 22 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
You have mentioned 0 points this entire time for me to be mafia :D :D :D

And hapa would definitely get mvp over you and he even voted himself lol!

On January 22 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
Why does vivax's death make bm mafia?

On January 22 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:
Also fuck you for not letting me leave.

On January 23 2017 04:48 Holyflare wrote:
vivax was basically confirmed town why are you trying to say you'd shoot anyone but vivax???

please link me a game where someone claims a couple of hours before deadline at lylo when there is no need to and is ever shot because I have never in my life seen that happen, it's the most obvious fake claim in existence

the last time somebody fake claimed hours before deadline was sicklucker because he was mafia

let's look at it from this perspective, before you fake cc'd who did you think was mafia?

On January 23 2017 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu, you need to prove to BM that I do this fake claim as mafia by outlining where in my history of mafia games that I have fake claimed or fake cc'd anything. I guarantee you will find 0 because I do not stick my neck out as mafia like that and make things hazy in the balance. I play a solid game and just win it through yelling.

Fake ccing and fake claiming is my staple town play and you know it onegu. Literally the last lylo we played together we had this EXACTTTTTTTT same conversation and it was so blatantly obviously attributed to my town play.

On January 23 2017 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu, you need to prove to BM that I do this fake claim as mafia by outlining where in my history of mafia games that I have fake claimed or fake cc'd anything. I guarantee you will find 0 because I do not stick my neck out as mafia like that and make things hazy in the balance. I play a solid game and just win it through yelling.

Fake ccing and fake claiming is my staple town play and you know it onegu. Literally the last lylo we played together we had this EXACTTTTTTTT same conversation and it was so blatantly obviously attributed to my town play.

On January 23 2017 05:10 Holyflare wrote:


and you keep mentioning little things about bm

are you keeping options open for if he returns with a vote on you?

On January 23 2017 07:40 Bill Murray wrote:
Ok I'm thinking onegu kept hf alive to pull the why is hf still alive card vote : onegu

On January 23 2017 07:47 Onegu wrote:



This is 100% wrong. I would never keep HF alive if I was scum

On January 23 2017 07:49 Bill Murray wrote:

Why shouldnt i vote someone who is appealing to statistics? You talk about " points " like I care . The only thing I care about is a Win vs a loss

On January 23 2017 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:
With you all both claiming healer I could just park my vote and AFK even if you all both unclaimed or one unclaimed or whatever I don't really care it makes you all have had a cc... thing is I'm VT so I'm confused who is mafia and who is my teammate

On January 23 2017 07:58 Bill Murray wrote:
You're saying if I'm scum you'd vote hf anyways and I'm arguing with you what does that tell you

On January 23 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
I am also here. You should be able to get a clear picture from the last few pages that onegu is voting me out of necessity and not because he actually mafia reads me.

He's said he's keeping his vote on me for points but then during points he tries to appeal to you multiple times as if it's a scum read. It doesn't make sense.

There's a lot of things I've done this game that incredibly make me town and onegu knows this (i mentioned it in the last page) but he's insistent on not even going over it.

The rels kill n1 was increasingly likely a combination of medic dodge and because rels started to scum read onegu.

Onegu has fought for my life multiple times in this game but never actually town read me. His reason was simply that he's better at reading me later. Now that excuse has finally ended it has become no real read and he's doing it for points.

His fake claim leaving lots of time before deadline looks increasingly like a medic bait into him carrying as "confirmed" if nobody ccd. He was forced to drop it because i fake ccd but no doubt in my mind he continues it if i didn't.

On January 23 2017 08:03 Holyflare wrote:
And that, ladies and gentleman, is why onegu is mafia. His play is so subpar that he can't even make up reasons to mafia read me

Thank you for literally doing the work for me.

On January 23 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Bm is sitting here asking for reasons to vote one or the other. Your reason is you want points regardless as if to psyche him out that you'd only make this play as town because your content just simply doesn't exist.

You reference multiple times that you have a reason to scum read me. Link them and I'll demolish them. If they're purely about the cc it's a totally good play to stop you fake claiming your way to victory as mafia too.

On January 23 2017 08:07 Bill Murray wrote:

Why not? I've done it

On January 23 2017 08:10 Bill Murray wrote:
His play makes sense if he's medic

On January 23 2017 08:11 Holyflare wrote:


I get shot and you say it was a mafia shot bait and uncc?? Not hard onegu.

On January 23 2017 08:13 Bill Murray wrote:

I personally always think I'm as good as anyone I just don't pri0ritize it like I used to so this doesn't matter to me . I enjoy lylo as well I just hate being in the position of power because I'm always wrong

On January 23 2017 08:14 Bill Murray wrote:

And say I miss the vote and he saves me tonight

On January 23 2017 08:15 Bill Murray wrote:


And I'm still here

On January 23 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
I'll gladly vote myself if you can find me leaving a read post as town. (hint, you can't)

On January 23 2017 08:39 Holyflare wrote:


Also last lylo we played in (gif mafia). No figuring out im this game at all from onegu, just auto vote because of policy and then try and make up reasons now bm is back.

On January 23 2017 08:43 Holyflare wrote:
BM I don't wanna waste your time here. I understand if you're paranoid and I can make a list of reasons why onegu is mafia and I'm town till I'm blue in the face but at the end of the day you've just got to go with your gut and yolo. No hard feelings either way. I won't be around much tomorrow.

On January 23 2017 08:46 Holyflare wrote:


I couldn't be bothered. I was going to make the game easy by getting out of it and fake claiming cop. Deal with it sucker.

Any more reasons you wanna magic out of thin air?

On January 23 2017 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu literally got you to vote me and then couldn't be bothered to play anymore. I've seen him online on steam too. Ogi as fuck but if it's going to save me I don't care. Dude was around and intentionally not talking.

On January 23 2017 21:30 Holyflare wrote:


And, no, you were in a game. So that's bs.

And now you've just come back at the time when bm is wavering. Convenient.

On January 23 2017 21:31 Holyflare wrote:
Actually no i do remember using that read in himalayas you're right. But that was just you online and not in a game. That means you were definitely around.

On January 23 2017 21:37 Holyflare wrote:
I swear to god I saw you in a game.

On January 23 2017 21:42 Holyflare wrote:
Are you ever going to explain why you've ignored every single one of my town tells this game onegu?

On January 23 2017 21:49 Holyflare wrote:
Why would I unvote the person I think is definitely mafia lol?

On January 23 2017 21:50 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not even a fucking lawyer you pleb.

On January 23 2017 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu, you need to prove to BM that I do this fake claim as mafia by outlining where in my history of mafia games that I have fake claimed or fake cc'd anything. I guarantee you will find 0 because I do not stick my neck out as mafia like that and make things hazy in the balance. I play a solid game and just win it through yelling.

Fake ccing and fake claiming is my staple town play and you know it onegu. Literally the last lylo we played together we had this EXACTTTTTTTT same conversation and it was so blatantly obviously attributed to my town play.

On November 27 2013 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
making me sweat lol??? and i'm not directing posts at mocsta, it's in general and he is trying to skew them to look like it's to him!

here:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Anthony Spilotro an Ancient Mobster (Veteran), known as "the Ant", you're old, older than these scamps, you remember back when the cops were clean. Hell, you're part of the reason they aren't anymore. Now your age gives you a distinct advantage, you know how the cops operate and how the mob operates you can use this and the net of contacts you have to avoid the first KP aimed at you during the game. You will be notified if you lose this extra life


This is really simple. Cora, post your flavour and i'll show you he is lying!!!! and I have one exact trick to show you how!

On January 23 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote:


Gif mafia. Literally proof I'm inclined to fake cc. I was going to fake cc sl's jk claim but rels did it.

On January 24 2017 02:36 Holyflare wrote:
I hope you give - points to Onegu for quite literally not even playing the game.

On January 24 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
You mean all those meta points you kept getting wrong?

On January 24 2017 06:18 Bill Murray wrote:
Where you put the onus on my shoulders to make the right decision I actually read for about 2 hours last night so thanks for being 90 percent on hf being scum , onegu . You enabled me to become proud of myself after a mafia game for the first time in years

On January 24 2017 06:20 Onegu wrote:



<3 In all honesty you should get mvp.

Where are you from BM? UK basketball is close to me.

On January 24 2017 09:03 Holyflare wrote:


disgusting

On January 25 2017 01:23 justanothertownie wrote:

Playing against your wincon already IS strictly prohibited. Why do you assume that would be different in this game?!

On January 25 2017 01:31 Calix wrote:
There's more discussion over who the MVP should be than there was over who the mafia was in LYLO

Personally I think the setup needs to be changed. No majority vote and, if the MVP thing is going to be a problem, maybe change the rule about the winning team being the only ones eligible for MVP.

Or just make it so that nobody gets MVP this game. That works if you want to set a baseline level of play for MVP to become a thing

On January 25 2017 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:

No way to find that out unless you openly admit it. But technically yes, that would still be playing against your wincon and therefore is forbidden in my eyes. Anything you do to get the title which you would not do if you only cared about winning the game is. It is just not feasible to punish this unless it is blatantly obvious.