Liquidmania Qualifier #2 - Page 7

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 18:05 GMT

#895

And of course now they tried to play tag team with me and when Damdred even suggested that LS is scum they both snatched the opportunity to lynch him immediately after making cases on each other all day long.

Then Hapa tried to accuse me of being hypocritical in that regard. But I'm not, cause I did discuss Hapa and HF all day long. I didn't discuss LS at all, I only mentioned his absence being noticeable once, but I still wouldn't have lynched him off that single observation.

So I see no reason why I should see a Hapa lynch as shenannie, but not a LS one. I discussed Hapa and HF for 48 hours. I wasn't going to throw that away for a few minutes of induced paranoia.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 18:07 GMT

#897

Sooo, anyone not Hapa or not HF just read my posts please and pay attention to how they're playing right now. It's just a lot of attempts at finding something to discredit me.

Good day.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 21:10 GMT

#959

On January 18 2017 06:07 Onegu wrote:
Creed is on Amazon Prime now and I havent seen it yet. Thats where I will be.

Just started vikings myself after finishing a bunch of others. Nothing so far ever came close to breaking bad though.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:06 GMT

#972

On January 18 2017 06:25 Bill Murray wrote:
ive never had my townread on someone flip so fast ... 3 mafia? the no lynch thing? him avoiding questions? maybe Rels was right

Why should I answer the questions of people who are obviously trying to tilt me? If I did, you'd have a goddamn shitshow. No thanks.

If somebody actually cares about anything they are free to ask me out of their own volition but Hapa and HF are lock scum for me and I'm not budging ever. Yes, I may be tunneled, but I do have my reasons.

Linking not wanting to no lynch to not wanting to do shenannies is completely unfair for example. I still have no idea why LS even got lynched in the first place.

You even saw yourself how I said that it's sad that we don't have more leverage right after I put down the vote on Hapa, what do you think my vote was for then if you look at the two facts together in that context? Do you really believe that I would have left it on Hapa if people didn't get onto him for what I was pointing out about his Damdred read not making sense?

You are a real disappointment BM. Onegu saw through Hapa right away.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:09 GMT

#973

And if anyone actually believes that the show they put up after all of this just dumping down three pages of conversation between each other which they otherwise never felt the need to do is even remotely townie, they really need to see what the majority of the game actually did. Cause reminder, the majority of the game is town.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:24 GMT

#975

On January 18 2017 07:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Not trying to tilt you. Trying to get an answer for a very reasonable question. Yes I was worked up post lynch. Not anymore.

IF you think HF and I are mafia, why would you risk a no lynch to try to lynch me, if the alternative is HF (your other mafia read)?

The progression from voting HF because you're convinced he is mafia, to voting me because you're convinced I'm mafia and risking a no lynch makes no sense. Why not just sit on HF? You could have not done anything the last 15 minutes of the cycle and lynched someone you are calling confirmed mafia.

Wrong, the town would still have lynched LS no matter whether my vote was on HF or you. My vote would have gone back to HF if nobody else agreed with me on your Damdred read progression making no sense.

And your personal attacks specifically directed at me were something with an entirely different purpose than me raging at the entire town, for example. You mixed them in between accusations while HF was also doing the same along with stating a lot of false facts, like me voting for LS. So I said, no thanks, peace out until I see if my townreads actually buy your junk.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:33 GMT

#980

On January 18 2017 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
A follow up:

Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go.

You are giving me the fault for lynching LS by saying this. How is it justified? What does my vote have to do with the entire town just going ham and lynching a guy it has never seriously put up for scum before?

LS said to lynch you, HF, and Damdred.
If the victim here didn't notice the most who was pulling the strings behind his lynch, who else? Rest of town just got cold feet and followed you and HF like a fucking herd with no discussion whatsoever involved.

And post lynch your suspicions on each other just seemed to vanish and both focus on the only guy who didn't fall for your bullshit with personal attacks and wrong statements and shit.

And this is why you can smear honey around my mouth all you want I'm never not lynching you and HF this game.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:36 GMT

#981

And now I peace out again cause even thinking about it is driving more swearing into my posts.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:46 GMT

#984

The reason is simple. One does not simply go from thinking he has a valid reason to suspect someone, to thinking he is a coinflip cause he stops posting. The other way around works, but not this way.

It's like when people catch me as mafia. If I actually bother I can appear townie early I believe most of the time, but when I fall off even for half a day I'm fucked and maybe I can buy one more day by putting in a binge effort.

But how do you actually manage to believe Damdred is suspicious for something, then make up reasons about thread direction when only HF and me were the other voters besides you in order to unvote him, THEN go on to call him a coinflip cause he stopped posting?

Let's say you're 100 % sure someone is mafia for something HE POSTED, then he says he has some important appointment and disappears. Who in a townie mind would then call it a coinflip?

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:48 GMT

#985

And this is not to imply that your scumread was 100 %. But you had something, used thread meta information (as in, not directly post content, not the meta everyone else talks about) to establish that Damdred might be mafias wagon of choice to unvote him.

So you had at least something and yet at the end of the day it was only meaningless cause?Damdred stopped posting.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:51 GMT

#988

On January 18 2017 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:

Show nested quote +

Because I am capable of stepping back from the thread, re-reading, and reaching new conclusions from the same information. It is silly to make up your mind about what something means right away, and literally never reconsider it.

No you didn't reread or reconsider anything.

You acted as if somebody stopped posting altogether his reasons for being mafia you formerly mentioned would disappear along with him.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 22:52 GMT

#989

There wasn't any new particular insight on Damdred that would show you reconsidered when you said he was a coinflip, otherwise it wouldn't be a coinflip.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:11 GMT

#995

And to get back to this:

You should have been very happy with how the game was going with HF on the block, and for some reason you decided to change it. I do not understand that reason and I'm trying to figure it out.

There's something called context.

You might have noticed I don't always vote here when I vote in the voting thread. It's cause voting in the game thread is just another tool for communicating something and entirely optional.

And when I found that tidbit about Damdred on you, and it went unnoticed all the time. I voted you to draw attention to it in the heat of the days last minutes, hoping that others would see my point and discuss it, at the very least.

As evidenced by what I said at the time when BM was the first to notice it:

On January 18 2017 02:19 Vivax wrote:

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Not unlikely.

What this game currently lacks is leverage. We don't really have a club of votes to swing at new content cause Slam and 1gu aren't here.

If sufficient people didn't agree with me, but at least took notice of it or discussed it. I would have gone back to HF instead of no lynching.

What I saw happening instead was some timid post by Damdred, some post by HF about LS. Can't even remember what you said about it. But anyway I immediately advised against it cause I didn't spend 48 hours of playing the best I can for some bullshit lynch on classic lynchbait which still drives me insane cause it was total collective failure.

And then? Quick look at the voting thread and I knew that LS was toast. I don't see how I could have done more yelling than that anyways. And avoiding a no lynch within minutes even if I wanted to? Why should I put up with doing things within the range of seconds when I've been in the thread for several hours before that trying to pile people onto HF with that argumentation.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:20 GMT

#998

Goddamnit Hapa this is not fair after all the shit you put me through now you try to sneak into my pocket. This what this feels like.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:21 GMT

#999

No offense but I'd rather have other third party opinions from more people not you/HF or otherwise involved.

Especially Damdred

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:30 GMT

#1002

On January 18 2017 08:24 Holyflare wrote:
let me ask you this again vivax

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and please don't whine and say we're blaming you with false facts, LS had multiple inconsistencies in his filter that were pushed and ultimately got him lynched, LS wasn't talked about no but neither was hapa being mafia by anyone but me

you say you don't even know the reason LS was lynched and state it was some meek damdred post which isn't true at all

Screw you, you tell me why LS was supposed mafia to you and Damdred cause it's your bum on the line. All in the thread I saw at the time was this, nothing about contradictions in it:

On January 18 2017 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Scrum ls detected

On January 18 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
I will switch to ls just so I can torment hapa some more.

On January 18 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Ls vote on hf is so bad and is scrum indicative of him I think, lure she do for no reason

On January 18 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote ls

maybe a bit late but I read hapa's scum games :D

I already explained everything to Hapa about my vote on him and the reason for it so you're just asking for clutter.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:35 GMT

#1005

I don't even know how these 4 posts including one that makes less sense than anything slam posted were able to sway the entire thread population within one or two minutes. Insert something about faith in humanity here.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 17 2017 23:37 GMT

#1006

And just to make it perfectly clear: My vote on Hapa wasn't just a pressure vote. I was sure he was scum for his coinflip statement on Damdred at the time.

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 18 2017 11:25 GMT

#1039

I'm stuck between deciding on Rels being sloppy townie or mafia. The "stayed at work to see flip" reads townie to me, but so far I could count three times where he didn't notice new information in the thread. Also huge lack of paranoia on HF.

On January 18 2017 02:26 Rels wrote:

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WAIT I THOUGHT DAMDRED WAS CONF SCUM IF HE DIDNT CALL YOU TOWN

And this post for example is hard to make sense of cause LS is saying to lynch Damdred in it.

But it's one of the reasons for him to support LS lynch.

On January 18 2017 02:27 Rels wrote:
OK Thats cool I think we're hitting scum. Dunno why LS wouldn't want to lynch Damdred D2

Vivax

22080 Posts

January 18 2017 11:37 GMT

#1042

Kind of more leaning on sloppy town. The caps lock suggests he misread it and thought he had something on LS for real.

I still believe the hapa/HF world is a very possible world. Two mafias hard bussing each other and being among the most active players in the thread is rare, but has happened a bunch of times already. And we aren't going by stochastics I believe. Really like that Hapa looked for a real conversation yesterday though, so I guess I can budge from Hapa scum with the chance that it was pocketing.

Means that if this is wrong, it has to be Damdred/HF cause they're not the sort of townies who are prone to mislynching LS D1, being very aware of the lynch bait factor. Especially Damdred as HF can also be an egoist town player with the fake cop checks and all that.

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