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On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim
Why?
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On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
-yes
-off and on about 2 years
-I have played a couple at Mafia Universe and a few at SC2
-It depends on the gamestate, my role, etc.
-I like to look for motivation in posts and I also check for a few other things I'd like to keep to myself for now, I do both townhunt and scumhunt in most games
-I know Calix from SC2, she's a good player but I've only played in like 2-3 games so I can't say I can read her well, I know ika very well and am usually accurate in reading him when he's town, if he's scum it might take me a little longer to figure him out
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On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not?
Because it's anti-town. But maybe you guys do things different here. Who knows?
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On January 06 2017 09:44 ika42 wrote:
its something i do regardless of alignment with silverwolf. its kinda my way of telling her when she reads up to say hi to me so i cna sort her.
Hi ika!!
I think we vote in a separate thread but not sure? I see one but I also saw where it said to vote in thread.Hopefully, someone will let us know.
What kind of info do you think you will get with your questions regarding others alignment? Has it worked well for you in the past to start with these kind of questions?
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On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:
so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate
I think this is probably a joke, but I actually think scum would likely answer these right off the bat as soon as they got onlie cuz it's a good way to blend in. Town might be more stubborn about not answering them if they don't want to.
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On January 06 2017 10:28 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:27 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:
so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate
I think this is probably a joke, but I actually think scum would likely answer these right off the bat as soon as they got onlie cuz it's a good way to blend in. Town might be more stubborn about not answering them if they don't want to. so what number is definitely scum then, I reckon 4
Could be. That's Grakeroni (so sorry if I spelled that wrong!!) and they answered the questions very briefly and haven't said much of import since. Could be scum but too early to tell. Very null.
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On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:
cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph?
That wasn't my theory. I never said anything about order of answering questions.
I do like that ika did it though because it gets the game going and gets us talking.
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Oh just an FYI, I'm a she. No big deal. Just pointing it out.
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On January 06 2017 10:49 KelsierSC wrote:
hey dont back out now or all my calculations will be wrong.
Don't forget to carry the one. Very important.
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On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm?
Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still.
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On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
Can you explain more about why Onegu seems suspicious besides the lack of posting? What did you think about his VT claim? I'd like to get a little more out of you regarding your feelings about the gamestate.
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On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment.
I'm flaging this post as one that I like for town. Mostly because the townreads are in line with what I was thinking last night when I was on.
Calix seems to be actively scumhunting and looking for scummy things and poking people.
What I liked about KelsierSC is the carefree attitude and not caring how he looks in the thread. Nothing forced or awkward plus using that to read others.
ika is just a gut feel based on how he tried to get the game going and his activity
OK, back to catching up again.
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On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley.
Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game?
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On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
And I don't like this either, it's too defensive for such a small amount of pressure. I don't find defensiveness to be alignment indicative if there's a lot of pressure but a tiny bit of pressure causing this is something that I'm concerned about.
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On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes?
Have you? Seriously, you are defending him way too hard. This bugs me a lot.
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On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up.
WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude.
So why are you townreading him?
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On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
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I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do.
When you are interjecting yourself into a person's suspicion of someone else, without letting him scumhunt ika, then that means you think ika is town. Otherwise, you would want ika to respond first to get a read on him. I get going after someone for having what you think is a bad read on someone else, but this is spending too much time defending a person who you have not even given an opinion on yet but are acting like he's town. I would like your read on ika. Is he town or not and why?
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On January 06 2017 23:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:18 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
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I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. WTF? Why is ika hard town to you? And don't say he's not cuz no way would you defend him like this unless you are town who believes he's town or scum trying to get towncred if he's town. There's always a chance you are scumbuddies too with this attitude. So why are you townreading him? Let me adopt your logic for a moment: "Why are you scumreading Ika, silverwolf. Where did you scumread Ika huh?" By your logic, right now you would be scumreading Ika cause you are attacking my townread on him. But that's wrong! I can perfectly question someone's means of reading someone without having a read on that someone. Questioning the method is not the same as questioning the outcome.
Oh give me a break!! Now, instead of talking to me about ika or darth, you decide to discredit me with sarcasm and bad reasoning. You haven't answered my question about ika but instead are deflecting.
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On January 06 2017 23:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:32 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
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No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do. When you are interjecting yourself into a person's suspicion of someone else, without letting him scumhunt ika, then that means you think ika is town. Otherwise, you would want ika to respond first to get a read on him. I get going after someone for having what you think is a bad read on someone else, but this is spending too much time defending a person who you have not even given an opinion on yet but are acting like he's town. I would like your read on ika. Is he town or not and why? So right now you're interjecting in my suspicion on foley and hence townreading him? You should have realized by now that it's not how this is going to work.
And you should realize by now that your constant deflection and this kind of attitude doesn't work with me at all.
I don't see how you can be town so I'm gonna go ahead and place my vote here.
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On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him.
No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense.
I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already.
Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject.
Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
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No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
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On January 06 2017 22:25 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. This post gets my vote.
ika, when you get on, can you explain this vote? Why does this post make you scumread KelsierSC?
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On January 07 2017 04:56 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:37 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:33 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:32 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:
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She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.
It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.
It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do. When you are interjecting yourself into a person's suspicion of someone else, without letting him scumhunt ika, then that means you think ika is town. Otherwise, you would want ika to respond first to get a read on him. I get going after someone for having what you think is a bad read on someone else, but this is spending too much time defending a person who you have not even given an opinion on yet but are acting like he's town. I would like your read on ika. Is he town or not and why? So right now you're interjecting in my suspicion on foley and hence townreading him? You should have realized by now that it's not how this is going to work. And you should realize by now that your constant deflection and this kind of attitude doesn't work with me at all. I don't see how you can be town so I'm gonna go ahead and place my vote here. You don't see how he can be town? I see you did vote for him. Can you elaborate what makes you feel this way for a more oblivious individual such as myself.
I made a few posts after this explaining it more. Here let me get them for you.
On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:
No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.
It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.
Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.
That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.
It was a combination of what looked like defending people he didn't have a read on by interjecting and answering for them and also acting like he knew they were town with the way he was talking about them (mentioning ika's meta, B0ston SC's playstyle when he knows nothing about these things) plus deflecting/discrediting of any suspicion. There are a few posts of Vivax's which don't look as bad but I tend to aggressively persue what pings me as scummy because we don't have a lot to go on d1.
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On January 07 2017 06:46 B0stonSC wrote:
I thought I voted for Onegu, is the page 10 vote count wrong or did I or did I format it wrong?
You have to put it in the separate vote thread. Also, why Onegu?
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On January 07 2017 07:17 Calix wrote:
Given the new content he provided, I decided to read kmatt's posts because he's pretty hard to read and he keeps pinging me because his posts are obviously polished (which isn't AI in this context but I have to keep telling myself that because it bugs me every time he posts) and well different from his other games. His reads in his list were also confusing and weren't transparent at all. But even with that in mind, I think he fared well when he came out of his shell a bit and started interacting more since he seemed to be posting more off-the-cuff/ naturally compared to posting a list and popping off again.
Wait, just realised. So he has that reads list. Why would he say "I'm focusing on one (scum) read, no point making excess calls" or whatever in the same breath that he makes reads on everyone when he could have been doing the focusing on that scum-read? That doesn't mesh together.
But then he also agrees with me that Boston is scummy so I'm not so sure. But he got two of his reads mixed up (I think) so I'm not sure if he means Boston or if he's just not paying attention there. Man he is a mess.
So he's back at null, not because he's done nothing AI but because I don't know whether the scum aspects outweigh the potential town motivations.
SW, what's your take on him? (also goes to anyone else popping in)
I don't know anything about how he usually plays but I do like his follow up answers to your questioning about his reads. He did a good job of explaining them and his thought process seems transparent enough. I would lean town on him.
I also like darthfoley's latest posts and re-reading him I would lean town as well. This is more tone and gut.
Still have ika, Calix, KelsierSC as town as well for previous stated reasons.
Vivax I explained what I don't like. I also don't care for B0stonSC but that's because he is not answering any questions, just posting filler type posts and then leaves, doing nothing to advance the gamestate or scumhunt. ME-same thing. He pops in, gives the minimal answers to ika's questions, then complains things are too confusing and leaves. I consider them both nervous and unsure about themselves and scummier than the other null people as a result.
reps, grack, btdt, Onegu are all null and I'd like them to post more
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My above post was before B0stonSC's latest post.
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On January 07 2017 08:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:42 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Why? Why not? Because it's anti-town. But maybe you guys do things different here. Who knows? Why is it anti town?
It doesn't help town but it does help scum. They know you aren't a PR and can move on to someone else, increasing the likelihood of an actual PR being killed. It's also survivalistic when VT's shouldn't worry so much about avoiding a bullet at night.
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On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Vivax's posts have been really townie.
How so?
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On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts.
Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika.
ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax
You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
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Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
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On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT...
Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate.
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On January 07 2017 13:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:58 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 08:53 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own. Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you? Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me. I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired. Oh? For what reason? Regarding Kelsier I find the beginning of this post particularly awkward On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. It's a little too much explanation for a town read. Maybe this is unfair of me but he mentions how he should be on tomorrow (today) but I don't think he's posted once today. Real life can be a complicated though so idk. I also feel like he jumped on Vivax's questioning of me in scum fashion. On January 06 2017 20:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
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Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. I like this approach from vivax. Got Darth in the boat and he's still flopping around. [b]Darth i'm not looking for a list post from you at this point but do you have something more significant to contribute.[/] He tells me what he's not looking for which is a weird thing to say, while also trying to pressure me by saying in need to contribute something "more significant." Not only is that nebulous and vague, it's also really obvious. Everyone has to contribute meaningful things, and I think it's odd that he would accuse me of not doing that; I have been contributing more than most here. It almost seems like it should be a criticism leveled at someone like B0ston. The only other thing in his filter is that he doesn't like my "attitude" because of one post where I sounded defensive. That's like, your opinion man. Defensiveness is NAI imo so it's not a great point regardless. He also doesn't actually commit to any sort of read of me which is scummy considering the amount of attention he gives me Those who are town reading KSC, why?
I was for tone and careless posting but it's rapidly disappearing because he hasn't been here at all except to make a couple drive-by posts.
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On January 07 2017 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT... Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate. I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him.
Can you show me where he's done it as scum? I've found this more often comes from town than scum.
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On January 07 2017 13:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:15 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT... Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate. I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him. Can you show me where he's done it as scum? I've found this more often comes from town than scum. Use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-databaseI checked the bottom 3 scum games excluding the pick your power one because that one revolves around people not being VT. It seems like he claims VT in every game.
Thanks, I'll look it over. If he's done it as scum, then he's back to null for me.
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On January 07 2017 14:17 Onegu wrote:
except some themed games where I cannot be VT but yeah all normal games I claim VT
Why?
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@Calix-Last game you played with Grack was it similar to this and what was his alignment then?
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Well, I asked Calix about his play because I wanted to see if it was just a personality/playstyle clash or it was actually scum motivated. I fail to see why town would get into a back and forth with someone who they are townreading and who is not voting them or pushing them as scum. Grack didn't do it to help ika read him nor did he do it get a better read on ika. Grack's behavior doesn't make much sense coming from town.
Now, let's look at ika. I feel like his question was more town motivated. He was scumreading Vivax and didn't have a townread on Grack so he wanted to figure out why Grack strong townread someone he was scumreading and also wanted to engage and figure out Grack. His question accomplishes both these goals. This is clear town motivation.
The argument looks like SvT with Grack being the S.
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As it is, I still scumread Vivax for reasons I've given.
Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika.
I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves.
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On January 08 2017 01:29 Kmatt wrote:
SW, if you seem to think the team is Grack/Vivax/Boston, do you see any connections, other than that Grack wants us to think Vivax is town?
I have scumreads on all of them independent of each other. If one of them were to flip scum, then I'd look at associations.
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On January 08 2017 02:14 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 00:55 SilverWolf77 wrote:
As it is, I still scumread Vivax for reasons I've given.
Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika.
I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves.
is it newb town or newb scum overall? Im looking more at the excuses
It looks more like newbscum because he isn't getting involved in any of the discussion and making excuses not to play. He's very nervous as well and awkward. After questioning of his vote, he decides to give a different answer to make it look better.
Again, I look at motivation and I don't see the town motivation in any of this.
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I'm dismayed that so few people are actually here and playing or that people are here and then they leave for extended periods of time. It makes the game very difficult to play. Can everyone else who hasn't, give their top three scumreads or who they would be o.k. lynching today?
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@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing?
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On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:
##unvote
##vote: B0stonSC
This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.
Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads?
I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this.
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On January 08 2017 05:41 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:
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##vote: B0stonSC This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni. He still feels scummy to me. If a good argument comes out against him, I will vote to lynch him again.
Why are you waiting for others to give the reason for you to switch your vote instead of coming up with your own?
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I voted for Grackaroni in the vote thread-this is just an FYI post to let everyone know where my vote is. If you'd prefer I vote here as well going forward, I can do that. Not sure how everyone does this.
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OK, so this is basically a 1v1 between Grack and btdt. If Grack flips scum, then we know he lied to out the doc. If he flips doc, btdt will be lynched tomorrow as scum trying to get the doc lynched.
I honestly think the btdt cc is a worse play for scum than Grack's claim and a terrible play for town if he's not even scumreading Grack. So at this point, I'm more inclined to keep my vote on Grack because I was scumreading him anyway.
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Anyway, I'm pretty much in line with what Calix and ika are saying.
I'm gonna lynch the one who was cc'd today.
If he flips scum, which I believe, then good.
If he flips doc, then I will votepark btdt until he's lynched-if he flips scum, which I doubt, then good.
If btdt flips VT-then he played directly against town wincon by lynching a person he wasn't even scumreading and getting the doc killed. It's only slightly less than overt gamethrowing and it will piss me off.
I played in a game once where town cc'd me as a claimed cop because he thought I was converted by a cult. I was so pissed I replaced out of the game.
I play for fun but I also want to win. Someone messing with that is gonna make me angry.
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On January 08 2017 07:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Checking In.On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it? also obligatory vote silverwolfnow onto something i want everyone to answer are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. 1. no 2. back in the day 3. no 4. ? 5. ? 6. nope obligatory qeustion : why the vote ? I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted. - Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything - Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here) - Does nothing afterwards I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good. So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me. I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice. Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline.
Who do you think is scum right now?
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On January 08 2017 09:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
I didn't believe that claim as I thought it's absolutely dumb to make as town. So I counterclaimed, hoping that it was panicked mafia as he'd been lynched anyways N1.
I'm not the doctor obviously. Good night.
This is bad play regardless of alignment but if you are town it's horrendous. You weren't even scumreading Grack. Like WTF? You don't ever, ever, ever cc a PR if you are town unless you feel very sure they are scum or lying or both. Even if you are scum, this play sucks because you could just shoot the doc overnight and save yourself from a near certain lynch d2.
Just bad all the way around. Absolutely terrible.
I just had to get this off my chest. I plan on lynching you d2 so have fun with that.
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On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
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I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.
I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem.
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On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
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No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post.
You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now.
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On January 08 2017 14:38 Vivax wrote:
Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject.
Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
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As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did.[/QUOTE]
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.[/QUOTE]
I left my quote you were referring to when you said I backed off and I'd like to see the one you are referring to before that, that shows I was being aggressive. You don't have to pull a bunch of quotes. Just one.
I made several posts and not just the above one explaining my suspicion of your behavior. It's better to explain it than to just point fingers so I did. I was tired like I said and I'm not gonna go full steam "your're scum, die" because that puts you on edge and accomplishes nothing. What I like to see from people when I accuse them of something, is an explanation for their behavior. It's how I read people. I also like to see how they are reading others and if their reads follow a clear though process and even though you are undecided on me, I'd still like to see what you are thinking here.
I don't know what to think of your reaction to Grack's lynch. On the one hand, I felt it could come from scum who knew Grack was town but you didn't use it to try to cast shade on others for future mislynches which is what I'd expect scum to do. The suspicion on Grack was perfectly valid so for you to be so certain he was town threw me. However, your reaction seemed to be genuinely upset about it and that's more town. So clearly I'm confused about your alignment based on your play to this point and I'm gonna have to put you back at null until I figure it out.
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Well, those quotes got messed up. No more cutting anything out for me. I'm just quoting whole posts from now on.
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On January 08 2017 17:59 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:43 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game? Squishyyyyyyyy Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes. You are dodging the main issue: 1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else. 2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika. 1) You reserve the right to call someone scum for a read someone makes; it is actually important. Recognize the time that it comes does influence the direction it will go. Scenario 1- Player A makes argument/claim vs player B, player B defends himself against player A, then player C critics either A's argument/claim or comes to B's defense. Scenario 2- Player A makes argument vs player B, Player C critiques player A's argument/claim or defends player B before player B defends him/herself. 2) You are correct! But it prevents progress, a clear goal of the mafia. So I feel that you are guilty of Scenario 2. And why I do not like Scenario two is because any accusation could look absurd or "forced" if you do not hear a player's defense of him/herself. Critiquing someone's argument or claim prematurely prevents reads from unraveling whether it is a town or scum read. Here is the suspicious post in my opinion. Below the quote I will put the post into scenario format for clarity purposes. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Key: Player A: DF, Player B: Ika Player C:Vivax When questioned by Calix Player A (DF) Makes argument against Player B (Ika) Before Player B (ika) Defends himself against player A (DF), Player C (Vivax) Critiques Player A's suspicions. And as a result Ika never responded to DF. I will reiterate my self. Vivax's premature defense of Ika prevented a potential read from being uncovered. So that is why I think Vivax's defense of other players is scummy.
I was suspicious of Squishy for going with the flow so much and being wishy washy but this post I actually like. It explains why I was suspicious of this as well and I like when someone is thinking similarly to me and follows an easy to read though process. So I'm gonna lean town on Squishy.
B0ston and ME are scumleans because of their behavior in the thread. Making excuses, complaining about the gamestate, not getting involved in any of the conversation, nervousness. They both seem to be hating the game and playing very under the radar.
I really need Kelsier to come back. The absence from the thread is troubling.
What I like about kmatt is the fact that he wasn't willing to accept the townslip ika was calling him town for. If he was scum who knew the setup and faked that, he'd accept it right away. Instead he pushed back against it and argued against it. This leans more town for me.
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On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ?
We are not allowed to edit posts here.
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On January 09 2017 02:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ? You can't edit your posts. But yea please preview your posts before you have badly formatted quotes please
I already said I'm not gonna quote snip anymore but if there is a better way people want me to do it, I'm happy to go along with that. Otherwise I'll just copy the whole thing or use spoilers if needed.
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ME-do you have any reads or anything on anyone?
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On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly. Are you seriously claiming that you counterclaimed a Medic as the Cop? What the actual fuck was the play there? errrr im not the cop im vanilla town
Get lynched.
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btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
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On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.
Have you ever played forum mafia before? Asking for reads is a big part of the game and the fact that you don't like be asked and don't want to contribute to the game is either scum and/or someone who shouldn't be playing.
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Also, all you are doing is defending yourself which is also scummy.
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On January 09 2017 05:41 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:56 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads. "Don't look at my scummy behaviour, go look for people who are doing this other scummy thing instead!" Who falls under your criteria of "claims to have a read without giving one" exactly? Also lol at "why are you pressuring me for reads" in a game about analysing players by what they write. Well KSC hasn't given any reads. But I don't think he claimed anything, I skimmed through everyone's filters. Onegu actually said that he was going to defend SW as town ( and i thought he didn't ) but he actually did. So quite a bit of oversight from me. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:56 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads. or you can explain why the fuck you have no reads after the day 1 shit. everyone else has given them in one form or another so dont dodge the question at hand I didn't dodge the question, I just said I don't have concrete reads. And why is it necessary to have reads after the day 1 shit ? If anything it just confuses me. Like why did you not give an argument for why SW is town. or why did you match grack's stubbornness with your own. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:03 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote:
So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment. I want ME dead. At best hes scum. at worst hes a town who needs to learn to play forum mafia. I am being blunt on this issue too: if you cant get reads or dont like being pressure or stuff like that, then dont be here. This is a game of convincing and pressuring and talking. If you cant handle some heat, then you dont need to be in the kitchen. I am being blunt on the issue, this game is for noobs. Thanks for the support.
Just because it's for noobs doesn't excuse not playing.
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On January 09 2017 05:26 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also guys calling for bans for griefing: I genuinely thought it's a good idea and had no idea that Grack was the actual doctor. Keep in mind he completely unnecessary claimed Doc at a point where it was just dumb (or scum-motivated!) to do so.
Which led me to the decision of counter-claiming because I thought:
1. If he's doctor, he's dead N1, so lynch D1 isn't bad
2. If he's not doctor, we got scum down
I took a risk. It did not pay off. You can, as I said, continue to tilt which is going to be absolutely great for scum, or you can try to get people to talk and continue to find scum. Your choice.
For your first point, there's no guarantee he'd be shot. He could be roleblocked and scum could shoot elsewhere looking for the other PR. You did their job for them by getting Grack killed if you are town which is crap play. No excuse since you aren't new to the game. It hurts town in every way.
For your second, you didn't even scum read him. You could easily say you don't believe the claim and see how he reacts or you could let the situation be resolved by:
a) nightkill confirming him as doctor-best move
b) finding out who he's targeting at night and if they are alive next day
c) seeing how long he lives himself
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Also, if you thought he was scum fakeclaiming, let the actual doc or another PR cc and get confirmed scum. Yeah, it outs a PR but it's worth it to kill confirmed scum.
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How long does a person have to be absent from the thread before they are replaced? It bothers me that Kelsier was so active and then just disappeared but it could be real life.
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If btdt flips town, I'm gonna wonder how Vivax was so certain they were both town.
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Did anyone else get roleblocked feedback?
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On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote:
Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum...
I can.
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On January 09 2017 09:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:38 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote:
Cool silver is town How do you know that ? Have you been reading the game? That is irrelevant, I ask how do you know SW is town, you just claimed it. Don't put it back on me, I say we lynch ika this night. Then you can lynch me the next night. Fuck this guy.
We are not lynching ika as long as I'm alive. I'll lynch you first.
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On January 09 2017 09:37 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote:
Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... I can. Why?
Have you seen all the BS he's spewing? I'm the doc, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I was roleblocked. Scum could easily hold back a roleblock and then claim it, trying to look town with it.
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One thing that bothers me is if we have a vig and they got their shot off, and the doc is dead, why is there only one kill?
Did scum also go for Vivax or did they mess up and not submit a kill? If scum is all new people or not active, that could be the case. I do find it odd that Vivax would be a scum kill given all of the people scumreading him but I guess it's possible they shot him as well.
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It could be someone that knows Vivax and considers him a threat or it could be getting rid of a veteran player who was active in the thread.
Vivax did vote for ME and KelsierSC, suspected darthfoley, Squishy as well. I'd need to filter dive to see if there is anything else there.
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I have to leave for a little bit but I think scum is in btdt, ME, B0ston, KelsierSC.
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Btdt-if you are Town going to be lynched, you leave your last reads. Your reaction makes me think you are scum.
At dr but later I'll filter dive and do a Town to scum list.
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Reps: Found Kelsier scummy early in the game for saying the 4th person who answered the questionaire was scummy and voting them. The later said Kelsier's read didn't make much sense just based off of that.I think Kelsier was just being humorous here and not scummy but Reps doesn't vote this either so null overall.
Agrees with me on Vivax defense of others he doesn't have a read on being scummy.I want to see if he does any of his own reasoning on any reads instead of sheeping me but the fact that he's reading the situation the same as me is a plus. It doesn't matter that we were wrong. It matters if he's thinking along the lines of a town thought process.
Says he believes Onegu's VT claim and questions him on his scumreads of Vivax and B0ston. OK, this is him trying to figure out Onegu which is good.
Doesn't like Grack not willing to explain his townread on Vivax. Also, doesn't like Grack trying to cause conflict and making the thread hard to read or get reads. Also, doesn't like that he won't explain his townread on Vivax. This is all reasoning I agree with but he said it before me so this isn't sheeping but coming up with his own reasoning. Good.
I don't like his sheeping btdt's case on B0ston however. He take's his vote off of his main scumread Grack to sheep onto btdt onto B0ston who he had previously had no read on. I think btdt's flip will help with B0ston and Reps read. I don't see either one of them as scum with him.
Also, don't like Reps saying if someone comes up with a good argument on Grack, he'll revote. Why wait for someone else to give you a reason to vote before doing so? Very wishy washy here.
Doesn't like btdt's sudden switch to Vivax after casing B0ston-I agree with not liking this so this is good for Reps.
Votes Grack after the claim, cc fiasco. So do a lot of people so meh.
I do like his further elaboration of why he thought Vivax defense of others was scummy. It was well thought out and easy to understand. His further explanation of Grack, B0ston, etc was fine but a little too much on theory. Still, fine though.
His suspicion on Onegu wasn't bad. It was his own original thinking and it made sense. He didn't like Onegu voting B0ston after B0ston voted him and his general lack of presence in the thread and commenting on irrelevant things. This isn't bad.
Leans town on btdt for the roleblock claim but later agrees with my saying it still could be scum and votes btdt. Meh.
Further explains his Onegu scumread which is o.k.
So overall, probably town, does sheep a little bit but overall has a town thought process on reads and does come up with some stuff of his own too.
I really needed to do this because Squishy was one I was having trouble figuring out.
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Onegu:
Flying under the radar. Yep, I keep forgetting about him which I don't like.
His whole VT thing is null for me, I don't get the point and when I asked he simply said it was his thing. It just looks like busy work and not much else. If he got some reads off it, that would be different but he didn't.
Suspicious of B0ston for voting him when he only made 2 posts. A little reactive-gets annoyed B0ston didn't say it was a pressure vote but you don't usually say a vote is a pressure vote when you vote someone for pressure so..............
Makes irrelevant comment about OMGUS and what it means.
Reiterates trolliness is NAI for him.
Explains his scumread on B0ston was for fabricating a read on him and later changing the narrative on it. This is actually pretty good.
Doesn't like Vivax defending people as a vet player. Basically just a one line scumread of Vivax. Meh.
Explains his townread on me better.
Says he's town cuz he's VT.
A few more irrelevant comments about stubborness and saying he claims VT in all his games. I think he made too much of this but it's apparently NAI for him.
A few more irrelevant posts.
I do like his explanation for his scumread on B0ston.
Didn't like Grack's claim and votes him for the cc.
Strongly states we need to lynch btdt which I agree with.
Says Kelsier is the veteran who would shoot Vivax if scum.
Says he'll figure the game out for us. I hope someone does.
Overall, a lot of filler posting which is NAI for him. A decent enough explanation for why Kelsier would shoot Vivax due to meta and Vivax vote on him.
A good reasoning for his suspicion on B0ston.
Unfortunately it's null town. Meaning a couple points look town, the rest looks null. I don't really see anything scummy though or anything that looks scum motivated so null town it is.
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I'll do more tomorrow. I'm dead tired and not feeling great right now.
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I'm not gonna filter dive btdt or Kelsier because one is gonna be lynched and one is likely to be mod killed for inactivity. I'm also not gonna filter dive kmatt as he is the town vig. I'm not going to bother with ika's as he is my strongest townread based on numerous games with him. He is active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game.
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That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
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Another really weak case by ME on Squishy. Almost as bad as his ika case.
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On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction.
And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from.
Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next.
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On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there.
Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up?
I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you.
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On January 11 2017 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction. And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from. Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next. ika responding to ME is not the same as you writing a wall of text towards someone you think is scum and who is also getting for certain lynched in 3 hours lol. Yea i'm also gonna go through Calix/ME/Onegu's filters later.
I never ignore my scumreads even if they are up for a lynch. I always want them to talk as much as possible.
I'd love to get your read on Calix? You guys talk to each other a lot but I'm not sure you've said how you read her yet.
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On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray.
Fair enough.
I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical.
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On January 11 2017 06:29 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back.
Sure I'll do that next.
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One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her.
I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread.
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On January 11 2017 06:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2017 06:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 06:00 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying. What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. Why are you so focused on ika ? She's questioning my case on reps, not on ika. She didn't even question my case on ika, she dismissed it almost immediately.
Because I think the case was bad and I think you are having trouble articulating a case on him that makes sense. You started with fuck this guy, lets lynch him. Then you went to RL issues witch are NAI. Some of your points I want him to address so I'll leave those out. You're right. She said your ika case was mediocre and dismissed it. I still like her questioning of you on Reps case because that was also pretty bad as well.
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Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points.
I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive.
I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here.
This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off:
On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions. Your point? If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else. I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.
I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch.
She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town.
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Darth:
Unlike Vivax, I don't think his suspecting ika for the questionnaire to be bad. He explains it just fine and when questioned, he asks about other players so he's not just defending himself but trying to figure out other people as well. He is coming out with reads as well and most of his posts are questioning people or commenting on the gamestate. I don't think his paranoia of myself or ika is bad, he's got his own opinion on ME being towny and is not just going with the flow. Even though he townreads ika, he continues to question him. He may be working with Calix a little too much but otherwise I don't see anything in his filter that bothers me to the extent I'd call him scum. So he's town.
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On January 11 2017 07:53 ika42 wrote:
for anyone wondering, i do actualy read silverwolf more town for her defending herself. even if hes outed scum it would be a nice distancing tacic to try to case your scum mate cus yes its easy to go "well your scum so ignore" and thats even easier for scum to do.
the act she went out of her way to do it (as weak as it is) shows that she is invested. scum!her would jsut ignore it/.
Can you clarify if you though my defense was weak as well or you are talking about btdt's case? I can't tell what you are referencing by this wording.
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ME:
I think I've been pretty clear this game is scum. Most of his early posting is him complaining about the gamestate being confusing and not able to get a read. He gets defensive over his first vote and calls the game spammy which it isn't so this is just more excuses not to do anything and complaints. Gets irritated with me for asking for reads.
I do like his questioning of B0ston but he never follows up on it. When questioned by Calix on his abstaining his vote until the end, he first gets defensive and then later clarifies it more. It would be better if he did it right away when asked. Overall, he's a little too defensive over trivial things.
His case ika is bad. It's like he's having trouble articulating any read on anyone and in particular is having trouble with his scumreads. RL stuff is NAI and he shouldn't be scumreading off that. The rest of his ika stuff is playstyle arguments and nothing concrete. He goes after Reps for RL as well which isn't scummy. However, he has a good point that Reps didn't follow up on that one point but it's still overall a weak argument to Reps being scum because it is only one tiny comment that Reps made and he should broaden the case if he wants to convince us.
Anyway, ME is a scumread.
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B0ston:
He votes for Onegu and calls him suspicious. Later says it was just pressure. This is a conflicting read and if he wanted to pressure Onegu, he should of asked. This comes off as nervous scum worried about voting for someone.
Spends a good chunk of time explaining his lack of activity and really he does this too much and is making too many excuses not to do anything.
Acts very nervous and defensive over the first vote on him.
He calls a lot of people off but never elaborates, it's like he's having trouble explaining any of his reads or reasoning because he can't.
His point on not calling someone town for saying they are scum actually is fine. I agree with it.
Argues against lynching btdt but says he's worried it would make him look bad-he shouldn't be worried about it if he's town.
I do have a scumread here but overall his filter is very weak with not much in it so I'm gonna go with null scum.
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I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here. Yeah, if one or both of them isn't scum, I'd be very surprised.
B0ston showing up at EoD again without doing anything else also strikes me the wrong way.
Again: ME, B0ston, btdt are my guesses for scum but Kelsier can also be in this group.
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ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME?
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On January 11 2017 08:45 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 08:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
ika, if you are here, what do you think of ME? i think its a waste of breath and time. i did point out how hes inconsitent about his reason thoguh
It's a waste of breath and time to tell me what you think of ME?
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On January 11 2017 09:05 kitaman27 wrote:
KelsierSC has been replaced by Damdred. Everyone say hi!
Great!! Welcome Damdred. I'd love to have a way to read your slot right now.
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On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that.
You went on and on about ika and Reps and never mentioned me. I come out with a case on you and bam you vote me in the voting thread without saying anything about it here.
If you aren't scum then I don't know what to think of this damn game anymore.
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On January 11 2017 09:36 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote:
I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine. Oh, you come in and now you go on me with SW ? You just said that SW and ika are playing us, like if that's your first thought, then probably you should hold this one. Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:22 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that. "People" will call a spade a spade? Shocking. Uh, you voted for someone off the BTDT wagon without explaining why you scum-read that person at all which contradicts your "not giving away scum-reads" idea (even though there's no actual purpose to hiding reads in a normal save). Explain pls. It doesn't, I said I am not giving all my scum reads at the same time, so I post a few of my scum reads then I see how SW is reacting in the thread, not just to my reads, so can't I change my read of her. Is that a crime now ? Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that. You went on and on about ika and Reps and never mentioned me. I come out with a case on you and bam you vote me in the voting thread without saying anything about it here. If you aren't scum then I don't know what to think of this damn game anymore. You hadn't come out with a case on me until then, just quote it here if you had. All you are saying is ' cannot make a watertight scum read' , 'arguments are weak against ika and reps'. I don't see any case against me. Oh, yeah please lynch me.
I have been talking in numerous posts about why I think you are scum. Good job ignoring everything I said except the last post on you.
If I'm your biggest scumread, you should of read my filter at the very least. You are just looking for excuses to vote off the btdt wagon or OMGUS me because of how I read you.
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On January 11 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 09:28 B0stonSC wrote:
I'm with SW on this one. Maybe ME should be the next on our list? He sure is high on mine. why? werent you hesitant to joinn her earlier? where are your own rreasons? frankly i would rather lynch you/calix next
OK, explain scumread of B0ston and Calix.
Explain why you wouldn't lynch ME right now.
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What do people say to Calix, darthfoley, Onegu scumteam?
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I almost always get shot if I'm town. For whatever reason, scum just likes to kill me.
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On January 14 2017 09:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 09:56 Koshi wrote:On January 14 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:
That's not why we shot SW though. lol. I can't believe that. It's pretty simple, my dear. Shoot the people you can't discredit in MYLO. Also had the nice benefit of weakening ika's standing in the town.
ika would never have been lynched either, he's not that easy to discredit and he had you pegged all game-I would of taken him out first
I had a creepy feeling about you and darth working together when you both said my defense was bad-that triggered all kinds of alarms and I should of followed up on my last line of you/darth/onegu-it had 2 scum in it but I have a terrible habit of changing my mind a hundred thousand times or not following up on a lead I'm not sure of.
I think town should of lynched Squishy today. In just about any scenario, Squishy was scum.
B0ston not being here hurt the town, ME having a meltdown and modkilling himself hurt town, bdtd hurt town, kmatt shot wrong and didn't contribute much as confirmed town, grack got in a piss fight with ika as doc
Vivax was right on with darth and Squishy and did very well. I understand why he was killed.
Calix and darth did great at looking town.
Damodred was impressive as well coming in and getting straight to scumhunting.
I like Onegu's play overall, just would of like to see more of him.
ika was obvious town to me
Squishy I went back and forth on over and over-but PoE said scum at the end.
I'm not sure how town would of done without the misplays but with them, there wasn't much of a chance.
Anyway, I still enjoyed the game and I would def play here again.
Also, I'd love to hydra with ika again. 
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