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just wait till my filter length is 20 pages you nitwit! | ||
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I decree that no one is allowed to town read LS for random shit capslock posts. Throwback to the cell mafia game; still a little salty about that. slight town lead on NU/Koshi/mahrgell. I agreed with NU's point on LS in that it seemed a bit forced; don't understand the need to clarify when you last played. Koshi's intro play seems standard town and similar to the one game I've played with him. mahrgell's entrance reminds me of his town play last game. Don't like emperor so far. Filter complete shite, though it's pretty early game. Same for siclucker; reminds me a bit of his cell mafia play early on iirc. I generally don't like trolly playstyles, so not sure what to make of Onegu so far. At least he's active. | ||
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On November 29 2016 10:11 LightningStrike wrote: I sorry that Damdred told me break that meta man I felt so guilty honestly and still a bit lost on trying to find a new town style. I am town this game so no need to worry I will carry us. Also since you are here what other thoughts you got? Think I've provided plenty of thoughts and you artificially asking me for more at this point in the game is odd. What are your condensed thoughts so far? | ||
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On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote: Cop btw What does the great Shapelog have to say? | ||
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On November 29 2016 11:45 Onegu wrote: Wow 20 minutes and no responses... Shapelog must be mafia! | ||
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On November 29 2016 19:16 sicklucker wrote: meh. check has like 2 posts i noticed that can be either but as a first time player im sure he will spew himself by the end of the day. I didnt read any of darthfoleys posts but I can agree that sl mahr ls are likely towna This is so lazy and never explains anything. I only had like five posts at this point and he chose not to read any of them? Also provides no reason why he agrees with town reads. On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote: shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him What made them horrible, and why does their interactions being horrible make them "very town"? When I think of "horrible" interactions, I think of two mafia buddies not knowing how to interact with each other in the thread He's a fine (at worst) policy lynch so far to be continued | ||
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On November 29 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote: This is pretty standard Early game for me, idk what you all are talking about. I dare you to meta me. I mean I literally just played a game with you where you were town and you didn't play D1 like this at all. You were aggressive and went after people, asked many more questions, and seemed perfectly invested in the game-- all while there was pressure on you. So unless you've lost the mafia passion after doing really well last game individually/winning as a town within the last two weeks, your excuse is a little hard to buy. You did ask about me and EC, but it seemed half assed. TT is in my scum lean pile Also not a fan of HF so far. He's kind of a being a dick which is NAI(?) but annoying. Especially after playing a game with NU and Calix. I made similar points against mahrgell last game but I was wrong, and he's playing very similar to that game-- though mahrgell is being a little over combative. HF has spent 80% of his filter grilling one dude and I don't see the point from a town perspective, especially as a uber veteran of TL mafia. If someone can make a post explaining why he/she thinks LS is town for reasons other than BS meta claims I'd love to hear it. I got burned last time people simply accepted a meta town read of LS so I want to hear something real. I do think the dynamic between LS/NU/EC is a bit interesting (LS claiming that EC vs. NU is MvT). Not sure where I stand on that yet besides that i'm town reading NU and i'm up in the air between the other two. Mahrgell/Koshi/Shape and probably Rels are on my town pile for now. | ||
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Not sure actually. It was the feeling I got after reading the thread; after looking at his filter, I don't really see anything to put him in a town pile. I had trouble following his points on some of his posts which sorta reminded me of the time he spammed his way to a mafia victory in a newbie game I played with him. I agree with you that mafia!Shapelog might also do this fakeclaim cop thing which makes me even more sus of sicklucker. Overall I think i'd place Shapelog null with Onegu for now. Don't think either should be the primary train for now | ||
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On November 30 2016 08:21 sicklucker wrote: this is a very true and good post. I dont expect him to town read me or anything but he has me and hf as his biggest scum leans when us dicking around for half a day is pretty fucking null. and hes not a complete newb I would love to know if massive early list posts are his meta That was his meta in his first and only game of TL mafia, yes. He was town | ||
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On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote: Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? | ||
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On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. | ||
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I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it | ||
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On November 30 2016 16:14 emperorchampion wrote: @ darth: Say that sl is off the table, where are you at? HF maybe Onegu? On November 30 2016 15:52 darthfoley wrote: I like Ticktock's list post at first glance tbh. As of now I think either sicklucker, HF, or emperor to be reasonable D1 lynches. I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it ... like four posts above; unfortunately you're in that crowd. will look at onegu in the morning | ||
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On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ wtf who says this as town???? especially you of all people. last game if someone hinted that you might be mafia, you flipped shit. I understand you might not be motivated to play or something but that does not "normalize" this response from a player like you. like mahrgell or checkm8 would do this type of post but i can't see a world in which you just lie down and take it like this | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:11 mahrgell wrote: To bring up my unanswered question from earlier: @Tictock: (voting emp) : You had a full scumread on emp, half scum on NU. You think they both can be scum? Will you stay on Emp? @Rels: (voting HF): Quite a while since you posted. Still convinced on HF? He posted quite some stuff since then. If this train dies down (seems like it) what is your updated opinion on NU vs Emp. @DF: (voting HF): You mentioned you consider HF,SL or Emp as viable lynches. HF and SL posted. So you are now on Emp if it would come down to Emp vs NU? @CM8: (not voting): Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now? To answer your question, i'm willing to leave HF be for D1-- i'll defer to more experienced players regarding the utility of keeping him in the game if he's town (basically not being a smart D1 lynch). The one thing I remember sticking out to me that I liked from HF was how he called out Rels's mahrgell read. On November 30 2016 22:10 Holyflare wrote: If I had a gun I would shoot nu because it gives so much information about a lot of people. It would give extra light to koshi's theories and maybe make people take some harder stances before then. I expect people to be active around deadline and I'll try and write something useful for it. I don't know why you liked onegu's post though it said absolutely nothing other than hard defending me when I don't need to be and are one of the hardest people to read on this site. Lynch nu for info/possibly mafia Onegu for likely mafia Probably rels or one of the people I haven't read. You should comment on what I wrote about rels btw. He said you looked nothing like town you and did absolutely nothing about it and instead pushed me who was going after someone he said looked weird. Just because you mistook me for Skynx shouldn't change his dislike of your "new style". That post is very town to me. I originally read Rels as town for kinda backing of mahrgell on that post, but in retrospect he backed off for no real explained reason which is not something I remember town!Rels doing much in the games I've played with him. Similarly I liked emporer's post about TT and I thought he brought up good points regarding how TT was basically disagreeing with all his townreads and voting for someone all his town reads were town reading. That progression doesn't really make sense. I liked TT's post at first glance but I was kinda lazy and didn't analyze it carefully last night. Don't think emperor is the right lynch. I still think sicklucker has been pretty inadequate. I agree that D1 is generally annoying and really arbitrary, but him parking his vote 4 hours before the deadline and peacing out has approximately 0 town vibes to it. This might not be a thing but I also found it weird how sicklucker voted in the vote thread but didn't announce it in the discussion thread. Maybe that's normal for people to do but i've never seen it. Checkm8 has disappeared, i'd like a reminder as to why people think captain newb is town. I'll have to reexamine NU. Don't like this universal town read on LS, considering that's how he won the last game i played with him. I still haven't seen any reasons to town read him besides "tonal/vibes/feels" that I don't share. Before examining the cases on NU, I think TT is a pretty good lynch right now considering I think his claim that he's playing D1 like he always does is pretty shite, along with emp's case. ##Unvote | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote: @NU why is this a good post? 1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town. 2) bleh 3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me. 4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum. But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts. Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong" Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS???????????????? That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone? It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady. All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time. He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote: Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association. I'm voting EC. NU outside of emp where's your head? Does this mean you think TT is town? | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:47 darthfoley wrote: Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong" Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows I'd like Onegu and NU to respond to this. Explain to me why it makes sense to disregard your three townreads, not ask them more about their scum read you disagree with, and resign your preferred lynch train to have large mafia influence assuming your town reads are correct. This line of play doesn't make sense for an experienced town player. You're basically resigning yourself to vote WITH mafia on someone | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote: The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu. I am not interested in anything else D1. I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though. Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever?? | ||
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 why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu? Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:57 Koshi wrote: You can not just say, hey let's not lynch the guy who we all scumread and have good reasons for to be mafia, let's lynch the guy who is mia, without saying why we should lynch him. being mia is pretty null. These posts look townie. disagree? I'm not saying lynch checkm8. Just saying his point about Onegu. Post some jokey friendly stuff then fuck right off for 24h. Which is exactly what checkm8 did. That mocha comment is exactly the type of comment he's scum reading Onegu for. So yea, I disagree with your hard town read of him. His reads have been pretty safe and non committal. | ||
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However i'm really fucking confused with this game. You're telling me to vote for scum not for info yet you've parked your wagon on the person you didn't properly case and that you've been waffling on. You've made multiple points about how TT likely mafia but i'm the one pushing a TT train, and you haven't joined on, even after posting this On December 01 2016 03:18 emperorchampion wrote: Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state. I feel like there's something so off about today. Especially the inactivity for many players. I just don't know what it is | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players Last game you kept pressure on me for much of the game and i'm a weaker player and you were town | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote: You pushed nothing forward. Your post about me was bull shit and you were not transparent about this Marzipan thing at all. You didn't really do much apart from backtrack on stuff. Please point out which posts of margarita you liked that made you change your mind. You haven't voted. Who are you voting for? | ||
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That's only four names btw @ host. Would be shocked if all four were town. | ||
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All will be explained when i have time in a bit and I'm not on mobile! | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:40 Koshi wrote: The problem lies in you attacking cm8 without any substance. That was odd and potentially you showing face. Believe me if I were serious about getting a train together, cm8 wouldn't be the choice. Not strategic at all | ||
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I'm un town vanille, or een vanilla town | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote: He disagrees. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2016 04:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have to go and can't be there before EoD. If I'm lynched, so be it, I didn't do my job of being town-read. Perhaps I really need to rely on other shit to be town-read. I'm VT fwiw. Good luck. well fuck | ||
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2. i come back as town 3. profit?!?! | ||
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that does rather blow a hole in my master plan of getting my name cleared. is there an Atticus Finch or Henry Fonda out there willing to take my case? | ||
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Why would I try to get the train off of my framer when 4 potential votes are AFK-- 4 votes that I would definitely need to actually get the train off of NU. I realize that the lazy play is to just call me obvious mafia and waste the next three days talking about fuck all, but the lazy play =/= the right play | ||
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On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote: It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. To remind you of that read... On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote: It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? | ||
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On November 29 2016 13:31 Shapelog wrote: There really isn't a lot from his filter that made me feel either way (unsurprisingly, is early game after all). Typically, I would say this post's tone is most likely coming from a scum than a townie. Mostly due to how close minded it is. And how it gives a very strong opinion in such a early part of the game (ex. That looks forced. at the end). Problem is, its NU. Tonally, he is capable of this as town. I still think he stressed out his point a bit given the time at which the post came out. But I am considering that it might just be his normal tone coming out here. Otherwise, his point is a valid one. Here I kinda lose him. At first, I thought he founded tonal issues that I founded as well with LS. But in truth, he's talking about the excuse from LS about why he wasn't here. It is different from Onegu's post yes, that we can see clearly. But he is overstressing the "nicey nice" part of the excuse LS made (I use excuse as in why he wasn't here). Personally, nothing is wrong with that post from LS imo. Its just a "hey sorry was busy and now I am here" post made to reconnect to the thread. His reasoning on why Onegu post is different, and why he thinks it is townie is fine however. Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? There are so many contradictions and outs he gives himself. Given the amount of times he claims something to be in his town meta, he doesn't earn his final read of null/slight scum ^EBWOP^ | ||
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On December 01 2016 08:55 darthfoley wrote: If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? There are so many contradictions and outs he gives himself. Given the amount of times he claims something to be in his town meta, he doesn't earn his final read of null/slight scum ^EBWOP^ quoting at top of page | ||
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To answer a few questions, namely the HF question about why I voted for him... I voted for you for a few reasons; it kinda bordered on policy lynch: you hadn't really done anything worth noting and I hate when people say like 14 times that they're lazy and can't be arsed to do anything; it isn't a town tell for me. I also voted with two of my town reads at the time who agreed with me. I've already explained why I believe this line of thinking to be smart, especially when you're not a strong town so to speak. This vote happened, iirc, before I was made aware of your meta and how you were too valuable to lynch D1, regardless of alignment. I have the same role in my IRL college mafia group as you do on here, so I understood the sentiment and backed off. Regarding my bad play EoD, here's what I was thinking: This NU train seems too easy. Everyone coalescing on one train-- no one really pushing another train. This included EC, who had cased TT pretty effectively IMO, posted about how he would get off NU if someone "pushed it", then didn't really follow my lead when I voted TT. I started to get very paranoid vibes; there were three non votes 30 min before dead which is basically the same as when scum park votes 6-10 hours before deadline and EC wasn't voting for the person I thought he should be voting for. I interpreted this to mean that town had gotten it wrong and that scum were perfectly happy having one lynch train that was wrong. I voted for TT following my unvote on HF partially because I thought at the time that TT had a decent chance of being mafia, and partially because I wanted to see whether my wagon for TT would gain any traction-- especially from the 3 non-voters who coincidentally came back just in time to vote for TT. Thought this could be beneficial to town regardless of NU's flip. Always think two wagons is preferred if possible. You can look at my other games. I always get really stressed about EoD1 because I'm shit at D1 and there was tons of activity. | ||
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I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him. That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4. The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:12 emperorchampion wrote: Ugh there was someone who was pressuring c8 that he completely neglected, and I was going to ask him about it, but I completely forgot who it was and couldn't find it any filters. I was putting a bit of pressure on Cm8 EoD if that's what you're remembering | ||
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A few other points worth nothing: I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him. That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4. The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:22 mahrgell wrote: @DF You said you suspected TT at end of town, but now I don't see how he fits in your new scenarios... What do you make of him? Well the biased part of me wants to town-read everyone who put pressure on me post-flip then backed off and gave me the benefit of the doubt based off of my posting style (including TT). I think it's a lot easier to keep putting pressure on me instead of backing off. He did a pretty even-handed analysis imo. However, there's so much time left in this day that mafia doesn't want to seem like they're coming to a conclusion this early so maybe this point is moot. I need to sort out the mess between you, Rels, and HF for the time being. I agree that EC is almost certainly town and Koshi is still in my town pile. You also strike me as pretty town. As of now, I think Shapelog is the obvious lynch, and i'm still confused why Checkm8 is still not in top 2/3 for lynches. The dude is literally MIA. Town points for TT as well for equating him to Foreman. The comparison is spot on, except that Foreman was a huge cock to people D1 while Checkm8 was doing his best not to ruffle any feathers. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:51 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1 Vote Count ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/Ya5eRNQUcNGQ8/giphy.gif)
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8 Remember, voting is mandatory. Day 1 will end in at Wednesday, Nov 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Currently, NeverUnlucky is slated to be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted. The vote didn't count my vote on NU. Was it really because I didn't bold it? Lol meh. I moved myself into the NU VC even though I wasn't technically there FYI, for clarity. For right now, I'm thinking something like this? Checkm8 has been so bad with activity that idk. I have a very hard time seeing everyone on the NU train as town considering the next closest wagon had 2 votes. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote: Darth I think you are pretty off base with this "NU tried to keep himself the only wagon so his buddy could get cred" most of what I saw from NU was legit trying to not get lynched. Let's assume you are right for a moment though. Who do you think is the mafia on NU's wagon? How is this trying legitimately to not get lynched? (in order) On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ On December 01 2016 03:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: I flipped shit at Calix and Skynx because their cases on me were FUCKING GARBAGE and factually incorrect. This game I hinted that at emperor and LS's posts on me while trying not to be toxic, but Koshi's case on me makes sense. Yes, I am town, 100%. On December 01 2016 04:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: I have to go and can't be there before EoD. If I'm lynched, so be it, I didn't do my job of being town-read. Perhaps I really need to rely on other shit to be town-read. I'm VT fwiw. Good luck. He doesn't post fuck all or try to get another train going. He doesn't give himself enough outs to jump on any of the other lynch trains. He just parrots over and over that he's town. WEAKSAUCE On December 01 2016 04:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: EC - SL - Mahr I liked TT's response to me asking to comment on if he is disconnected or not. It was transparent. I didn't particularly connect with the cases made against him. EC, Mahrgell and SL???? REALLY? EC and mahrgell were town read pretty hard by everyone, and SL wasn't going to happen D1. These were terrible scum reads for the purpose of starting another actual wagon. Don't know how you think this is him actually trying to get out of a lynch. Seems very obvious to me that he was playing for the team. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:46 Holyflare wrote: I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which. Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh. I'm with you on that brother. Calling that out so early, not deciding which was which, and then NOT VOTING ON EITHER (he didn't vote for anyone the entire day) is fucking weird | ||
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On December 02 2016 03:05 Tictock wrote: @Darth I don't think you say "I'm town" a million times if you are trying to go down for your team. It's a great way to go down for the team because it sounds on the surface like something a town might say EoD when they're on the block. But this and the rest of his EoD lacked any urgency. Saying I'm town 1400 times won't actually get anyone to switch their vote, but it artificially seems like you're trying to get people to switch their vote. | ||
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On December 02 2016 03:07 mahrgell wrote: @DF And now to the general idea. Pure feeling dictated me exactly this idea too. It was pretty much the idea with which I went into my diving session this morning. (then I got distracted by Rels -.-) It just... lead to nowhere. If he was doing it for towncred, then whos towncred? Emp? Yeah, he got a shit ton of towncred from it. But I really believe he is town :D Koshi? Quite similar. Like I can see a lot of tinfoils involving Koshi. But I will let those rest for now. SL? Did he even get towncred from it? lol. Like you make it sound like this was some great elaborate bussing play with NU taking one for the team. This does not fit SLs play at all. Like I'm really not sold on him, and given his contributions so far he is pretty much on the same level as HF and CM8 for me... But if that is the case, then it certainly isn't a great elaborate play but pure chaos. Myself? I have great insider infos telling me that this isn't the case. Or towncred via on of his spews? If this was the case... It may actually be worth looking at who pointed out which spew. Doing this and hoping that town finds thsoe spews sounds like an awful idea. But if it is really this, then you could find both scum at once here. Well there are a few possibilities that I haven't worked through yet. 1. One of my stronger TRs is off (You, Koshi, EC) 2. Just because he tried, doesn't mean it worked. This could manifest itself in a couple potential ways 2a) sicklucker is the mafia partner and the town-cred strategy didn't work 2b) NU was either expecting or hoping one of his teammates would be back before EoD to pile on the train. This line of thought is with the three non-voters (Checkm8, Shapelog, LS). This could work with either LS or Shape, who both sort of gently committed to scum reading NU. We've discussed that there are problems with both Shapelog and LS's NU read: in the case of Shape, it was wishy washy to the max; in the case of LS, he only committed to NU > EC after direct questioning, no? My point is, given that both of them had sowed some reason to scum read NU, it could be believable for them to come back near EoD, see only the one train on NU, and jump on board both having some meh reason for doing so i.e. - well i'm not sold on this, but i've scum read him and no other trains are happening, so of course my vote makes sense! And now we learn that LS intended to be back before EoD but wasn't Perhaps i'm getting too tinfoily lol | ||
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On December 02 2016 04:41 Rels wrote: A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something. And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense. Apologies if I missed it, where's your head right now with the 2 mafia? Still the spew posts from a few pages back? | ||
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On December 02 2016 04:53 Rels wrote: DF why did you not include NU in your town list if you were townreading him ? Cuz I didn't wanna be redundant most likely | ||
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On December 02 2016 06:05 Tictock wrote: Ok I can see what you mean, but I still get the sense he was hoping to avoid the lynch. We will just have to disagree. This whole line of thought is pretty WIFOM and I'm not sure it's really productive. It is possible that there was mafia on the NU wagon, but I kinda doubt it right now. Yea I know it's WIFOM, which is one of the reasons I think Shapelog is the obvious lynch rn | ||
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On December 02 2016 05:06 Rels wrote: DF can you explain your LS read please ? Meh i've never been as high on him for Town as others have. I like his case on Shapelog-- I had noticed that potential TMI on the claim as soon as NU flipped Framer. I guess my only qualm with it is that it came after the casing of mine and Koshi(?) so idk if it proves all the valuable. His non-vote looks bad and i'm not completely sold with his response to HF/mahrgell. Doesn't mean much if you've said who you prefer of the TvM if it took some questioning to get it out of you. My mind is open and I'll be interested to see how the game continues, he's around null for now. I've kinda had this tinfoil similar to HF for a while, but some of that is rooted in how badly he spanked us in the cell game, and I don't want him to get away with it again. I know the format is different so it would be a lot harder to pull off for extended periods of time, which is why i'm not very concerned atm. Maybe if Shapelog flips town and some other shit goes down idk | ||
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On December 02 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote: Koshi kill confirms me town. ##vote Shapelog lol how? | ||
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On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote: Shooting koshi is the second dumbest thing I've seen in this game. The first being not saving koshi. I thought you were going to die actually LoL | ||
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On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote: And one last thing I would like to remind people of: CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out. Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill! There is at least one active scum around. And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker. Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum. If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum. I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:02 sicklucker wrote: im just gonna kill the god father slipping mafia defending darthfoley. sometimes the most simple answer is the best its elementary dear watson wtf are you on about? i didn't slip god father at all. I did not defend NU, I was suspicious of the EoD actions and i've explained 400 times why. Your logic is butt cheeks | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:10 sicklucker wrote: Heres why hf would not nk koshi. Hf is a very good scum player right? and hes not really scumread by very many people in this game. So theres no reason for him to take an insane risk and target someone whos gonna be protected like 50-70% of the time thats insane for him. Hes in a good position to win this game as scum. There is 0 reason he would do this as scum zero. Who would do this nk as scum? Well the simple answer is people who suck. People who are losing getting rape. People who have zero confidence in winning the game without getting really lucky and dodging a save. This is not holyflares mo. This is darth/shapelog/check new player or less confident type of players that make this nk. Holyflare is too cocky and good to make this nightkill. He was acualy right when he said this nk makes him confirm town. Damn you holyflare I wouldn't have made the Koshi night kill. He was reading me as town again after he put some pressure on me. I would've killed HF 100% for a reason so i'm town mate  | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:15 emperorchampion wrote: I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape. Did you read my post discussing Shapelog's opinion of NU and how bad it was? If so, you disagree with me? My main point on Shapelog was not his AFK'ness. That was only a minor component | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:21 sicklucker wrote: Like go read page 53 and tell me darthfoley is not mafia with a straight face. go do it I just did and i've come to the conclusion that i'm not mafia | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:29 emperorchampion wrote: The reason why I don't care too much for the argument about shape right now is that this was at a time where nothing was certain, and people are jumping on him for "giving wiggle room on a read". TT and NU jumped on a post that I had that was similarly wishy-washy, and shape's was even earlier in the game than that. Nothing became at all clear to me until later in the game where NU was was making arguments against sl. Something to think about as well. My point was that + he barely interacted with NU throughout the day while he was actually being active. He also gave a million reasons to town-read NU and then slight scum read him so he didn't earn the skepticism imo | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:31 sicklucker wrote: im not so worried about the specifics but ok. " it was can we lynch ticktock?" town "NO' "ok can we lynch these other two guys over my partner? town 'NO" "Why is half the town AFK an hour before EoD?" *crickets* "Could it be because there's only one viable train and it's on a town?!" *crickets* "Oh well, NU made a terrible post near EoD and I don't want shenanigans to go down in the last 30 min" NU flips mafia, therefore I must be the most obvious mafia with the most obvious NK. Apparently i've been so obvious two times in less than 24 hours, shocking! | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:27 sicklucker wrote: even darth knows how bad he looks and begs for a cop check. which may or may not make him the godfather Thank you for enlightening us that I may or may not be a role in the game. I will up the ante by claiming that you may or may not be mafia | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:49 emperorchampion wrote: Which are? I don't believe that you mentioned this earlier. I thought he had some posts earlier that I would've been very interested in if I were mafia. | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. Glad someone caught onto me catching on to it | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote: These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) On November 30 2016 16:29 Holyflare wrote: You shouldn't lynch me. On December 01 2016 19:06 Holyflare wrote: Mafia gotta kill me. Dis gonna be good. On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote: Mafia have to shoot me. It's super obvious what I am. On December 02 2016 05:02 Holyflare wrote: You should all be town reading me. Dunno why I'm not top, pretty obvious what I am. Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia? | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:47 Shapelog wrote: Because like you said WIFOM. If someone was to keep saying they were jester as they were about to get lynched, would you believe they are jester? Maybe, but chances are that they are trying to make you fear that they are jester, so you don't lynch them. My view at least. Comparing apples to oranges. You and EC can say it's WIFOMy, but as mafia why wouldn't you bite? Everyone with a brain thought that Koshi would be the save/JK because he was most town. I agree that it was super risky to NK Koshi and killing HF would've killed a potential blue that wasn't going to be saved imo. Whatever, we can talk something else. I just think SL rehashing the same tired points to show i'm somehow the dumbest mafia in the history of life is annoying and wasting time. | ||
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I guess it's also close to a modkill on checkm8 which is very frustrating but w/e. I find no motivation to do anything considering my two highest scum reads atm (Shape & SL) have done close to nothing worth changing my mind. SL has pointed out the same tired arguments Koshi leveled at me (they lacked any originality imo) along with the problems TT eloquently pointed out. This is kinda boring man in other news, I tied for 9th at the tournament I went to tonight. 9/32 is an alright result i guess if you guys aren't into smash bros melee, I sincerely think you should check it out. I was never a FGC person myself and even now i don't play any other fighting games. its just so gewd | ||
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On December 04 2016 06:06 sicklucker wrote: Acualy shit where is darth I need to know about your last game with mu. He was either trying to pocket you or your his partner. His filter is so fucknig weird. He never gives his reason why your town. But he lists you as his top town. He has legitmate reasons to call people town in his filter. But for you he just Lists you at the top and its never brought up again. you barely interact and you have zero interaction before he town reads you. Darth gimme cliffs of your relationship in your last game with him Pretty sure it was the initial stages of buddying especially because I thought early game was town NU. Lat game I played with him was weird because he and calix were assholes to each other TvT the whole game, though I was more in the Calix supporter camp | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:16 sicklucker wrote: "sicklucker spent all day trying to convince everyone im mafia but he never tried to change the vote" Darthfoley -2016 You spent all day trying to claim I was mafia, only to backtrack on that claim like an hour before EoD. Your accusation of me was basically OMGUS to everyone who asked about it and said that it was "sooooo obvious" So no, that's not actually trying to change the vote. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:51 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1 Vote Count
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8 Remember, voting is mandatory. Day 1 will end in at Wednesday, Nov 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Currently, NeverUnlucky is slated to be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted. [B]On December 04 2016 07:01 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 2 Final Vote Count ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/12DvrMqh6RlwT6/giphy.gif)
Not voting (3): Onegu, Shapelog, Checkm8 Shapelog, a VT, has been lynched. Checkm8, a VT[b], has been modkilled. Onegu has been warned for failing to vote. Night 2 has begun and will end in at Sunday, Dec 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). This is more of a summary post for me so I can look back later at the VC | ||
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Rels, HF, Onegu and LS (didn't vote at all) didn't vote for NU D2 2 VTs didn't vote + Onegu (??) If Onegu is another inactive town, mafia has been rather active this game. The only two people to vote for both NU and Shapelog are me and TT HF = Rels, Shapelog Rels = HF, Shapelog EC = NU, c8 LS = N/A, Shapelog mahrgell = NU, sl Onegu = EC, N/A TT = NU, Shapelog meh having two super inactive towns yesterday really fucked up any chance to vca properly Guess we need to re-analyze D1 shit | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:42 Holyflare wrote: Guys that aren't Margaret. Is it possible Mabinogi is mafia? This was actually seriously starting to go through my head tbh | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:48 Tictock wrote: It is also not impossible for HF to be mafia here. I'm aware. Especially with this fucking stupid JK claim at the beginning of night, the person probably most likely to die (HF) if he were town has an excuse to live for another day and have it be pretty NAI because of the SL kill incoming if he's actually JK | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote: Hm, thinking about his JK claim though... One thing that makes sense about it is that he actually had this JK tmi "accident" earlier... I guess I reread him again... What a pain. Why on earth are you deciding to re-read someone who claimed blue early N2? Even if he is faking, the real JK is still in the game so you "filter diving" is pointless and a huge waste of your time and my attention span. It almost seems to me like you're trying to do something without doing anything. I'll be damned! | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:51 mahrgell wrote: Can you point out the Rels post about it? I'm really not sure on the order here, but I noticed it when I did my second list on him. Rels may have posted it before me though. On December 03 2016 10:54 Rels wrote: I find this TMI convincing actually, it might be a scumslip if it's confirmed that we're setup 3. SL really used the word "jailkeeped" for no reason | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:57 sicklucker wrote: literally whole town besides hf pre voted me =[ But you could've come out after the NK? Anyways too late now so let's work with it under the assumption you have 24 hours to live | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:54 mahrgell wrote: Uhm, I already said I would filter dive everyone... But no, I'm not buying his JK claim yet. But the JK tmi thing actually made me rethink it. So why the fuck would you start by filter diving a blue claim? That doesn't help town at all. The last 15 minutes have made me really start to wonder about mahrjesus's motives | ||
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On December 04 2016 08:02 mahrgell wrote: Because I'm not sure I believe it? HFs argument though is very convincing but didnt cross my mind at that point? No, because of some ways you've been acting and the feeling I have in my gonads currently. | ||
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On December 04 2016 08:20 Tictock wrote: Ehh just skimmed kus I saw people talking about a claim. I doubt SL is the JK since he put so much stock into Shape's claim having meaning. I feel like if he were blue he would be more paranoid about other people claiming blue. Idk, I'll think about it more when I have time. only reason he would fakeclaim is to try to get a dumb JK to CC before night is over in hopes of killing the person. That has like a 2% chance of working. Do you really think he was that desperate to make a play? I mean maybe nothing was going to change in the next day phase, but who knows. Feels like it would've made more sense to fake claim tomorrow any way you slice it. | ||
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On December 04 2016 08:53 Rels wrote: haha I love this claim. Should make the game a lot easier (= If SL is town (super likely, why would he fakeclaim at that point of the game), that's a super scummy dude out of the PoE If SL is scum, he's gonna be CC at some point; and at the very worst we have a 1v1 trade Any idea who this implicates to you if SL is town? | ||
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On December 04 2016 09:48 emperorchampion wrote: Sorry was gone for EoD. Caught up a bit, saw that sl claimed jk. We're down to 7 town tomorrow and without reading anything closely the list still looks like: Onegu Rels TT Darth So in a worrying spot. I take responsibility for being lazy town yesterday, sorry guys! Why are you so high on mahrgell and HF? | ||
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On December 04 2016 20:39 Holyflare wrote: Why do you think I was a very likely night kill but aren't so high on me? My asking that does not mean i'm not high on you. I'm asking EC why he's so high on you. | ||
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If SL was JK, he probably would've died last night. As EC said, JK becomes more powerful the longer the game goes on. So one of them will be NK'd eventually. Rels SL darthfoley (I promise i'm town!) EC Onegu HolyFlare Mahrgell Ticktock 6v2 So we have 1 mislynch before we're in MYOL Why would scum want to trade 1 for 1 now? I understand flushing JK out at some point to get him out of the game, but I think this moves also shows some confidence from scum that the last scum can bring home the bacon and win the game solo: either through very good individual play or by everyone town reading them. Maybe i'm reading too far into it, idk. Anyways, we can only ignore this JK claim/cc for one more day though, because if we get it wrong we'll go down 4v2 (assuming there's no successful JK and both JK stay alive) and then we're forced with a 50/50 choice between Rels and SL. I think us not figuring this JK stuff now might come back to bite us in the ass next day if we don't get the scum remaining between HF/EC/Onegu/TT/mahrgell. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:49 Holyflare wrote: I dunno how many shit kills I have to make in this game. Being mafia is really hard. ##vote sicklucker What do these sentences mean? | ||
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On December 05 2016 08:46 emperorchampion wrote: @ sl: who did you jk night 2? what does this information give you besides a confirmed kill tomorrow night? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:51 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1 Vote Count
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8 Remember, voting is mandatory. Day 1 will end in at Wednesday, Nov 30 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Currently, NeverUnlucky is slated to be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread and with the correct format will be counted. Interesting that all three people who did not cast a D1 vote are now dead and were all town. This mean that there were three mafia votes nestled in there somewhere. We know of one: NU voted for EC. On the surface, I have a hard time believing NU was super bussed and both mafia partners voted on him. I also doubt neither mafia voted for him. Both those scenarios seem too clean. Considering how few alternative lynch trains there were D1, I guess that it's more likely both mafia voted for NU? I think the only lynch train that got 3 or more votes concurrently was HolyFlare, which Rels and I voted for. Onegu voted with NU on EC HolyFlare and Rels traded votes. This mafia team would suck to play against. TT, mahrgell, EC, SL, I all voted NU. Hmmmmmm | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:27 emperorchampion wrote: @ Rels: At what point do you flip from voting HF day 1, and him being your biggest scum read to thinking that he's a better choice to jail N1 than koshi? Now this is a very juicy question | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:32 emperorchampion wrote: Don't really follow the conclusion, who does this make more or less likely to be mafia in your eyes? IDK it was kind of thinking out loud. I noticed the same Rels HF issue you did. I remember the HF votes came within like 20 minutes of each other bang bang bang (Koshi Rels Me) and I wonder how viable that lynch seemed at the time. I think I could see scum!Rels being vote #2 there and trying to make it a viable lynch. I really want to hear his response to your question | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:42 emperorchampion wrote: *IF* Rels is mafia, who can you see as his partner? Honestly, I need to look through his filter and look at connections. His NU spew posts should give some good detail into this. Playing IRL mafia with friends tonight, but if the bastards N0 kill me, i'll probably filter dive Rels... or work on a 15 page filter. Nah, probably filter dive Rels | ||
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On December 05 2016 17:06 Holyflare wrote: Oh shit guys, remember when emperorchampion made a case on ticktock but absolutely didn't vote him and top town darthfoley repeatedly called him out on it? Remember when emperorchampion hasn't mentioned ticktock since? I memberrrrrr ##vote ticktock Purely because I'm not a good player and this is out of spite. Why are you voting TT > EC then? I remember the sequence you've mentioned when EC wouldn't vote on TT even after hard casing him. But he still voted on NU, and helped kill the mafia framer. Are you saying he bussed the framer instead of the Godfather or something? What's the motivation to bus the framer D1 hard? | ||
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On December 05 2016 16:59 Holyflare wrote: It actually implicates everyone that's posting a lot since ls wasn't even playing. It's a bitch kill that only towny looking people make since when you start killing off me/other towny people then it HEAVILY implicates the towny looking mafia when they're not dead. Perfect blend kill. I'd expect this from someone that knows how to play mafia and make tactical kills (rels/sl (maybe tt?) over the new people. Damnnn I'll try and get some filters later since this game became good and I'm heaaaavilly slacking. I'm probably going to say emperor/tt are mafia. I'm actually heavily inclined to believe this. Emo looked good from a NU flip, he town read ls(did he?) and he mentions that I'm nit a good player since he's seen me (maybe ticktock said this?) god damn I'll check. I have a feeling it's both actually. I agree with you first point. I've actually gotten a little nervous about mahrgell for some reason. I really want to see how this Rels/SL thing plays out. I'm also afraid i'm being buddied by you this whole game :0 | ||
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On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote: Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me Lol catching up to the thread now but this is annoying. I've been one of the most active consistently. I had to finish an 18 page paper today and I've had class. Sorry for having a life. As of this post, I'll break my silence and say that you're scum; and if you're not, your fake claim and your subsequent explanations are terrible from a town pov. Maybe something will change in the next 6 pages! | ||
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On December 02 2016 00:01 Koshi wrote: If you have the same feelings D3, lynch him with everything you got and don't talk to him. Just lynch him. Gather your townie friends and lynch him. atm it is too early to judge. He is a bit underwhelming but mafia might need to shoot him anyway. Just want to bring this post back for posterity. RIP Koshi. The tinfoil in me can't understand why HF hasn't been targeted yet. He's my hardest town read atm but wah this is potentially troublesome. He should be the kill after the JK dies, if we get to that stage. The other tinfoil in me thinks that mahrgell has gone above and beyond his usual WoT posts that are almost always directed at HF. This almost has the feel of a Shapelog scum filter from that newbie game he won by just spamming WoT-towny enough-30 page filter. I'm also uneasy about how much waffling he is doing regarding sicklucker. Reminds me of his stance (iirc) of the Shapelog lynch where he waffled all day then threw a "conscience" vote on sl that was pretty meaningless. I know i'm tinfoiling rather committedly here but it's something to keep in mind. Especially since LS died. He has said some things that i've been thinking though meh. Definitely not the lynch today. For everyone saying scum!sl doesn't have motive to fake claim JK... uhhh yea he does. Lynch was most likely going to be him so he does a 1v1 trade and (almost) ensures the JK to die next night. Sure it's a little risky, but if you're going to go down you might as well pull down the JK and eliminate all roles from the game. On the off chance that people somehow don't lynch scum!sl today, it's double beneficially because mafia can probably still kill JK + orchestrate a mislynch potentially. A scum JK fake claim early night also has the potential of a silly person like me or mahrgell to potentially be so excited to CC that we do it before the resolution phase and get killed for our troubles. I see plenty of scum rationale behind the fake claim during the night. Gonna be salty that Onegu is jchillin if he's mafia because *under the radar* Gonna read through HF's case on emp. Also thought HF/Rels point of TT not tinfoiling is a smart point I hadn't thought of. Btw, I am + Show Spoiler + defintely+ Show Spoiler + not | ||
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On December 06 2016 06:44 Holyflare wrote: If sicklucker is mafia he's claimed jker and is the prime suspect for the jail keeper who knows sl is fake and mafia. Therefore sl doesn't carry the kp ever ever ever. Rels rbd me, I'm confirmed town. OH i see. Gotcha | ||
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On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote: Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches. Actually sick idea. Good man Rels | ||
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On December 07 2016 07:26 emperorchampion wrote: so turns out darth isn't the gf after all lolololo surprise surprise i'm almost certainly confirmed town | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:06 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1 Final Vote Count ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/8GWknbhN693Ow/giphy.gif)
Not voting (3): Shapelog, LightningStrike, Checkm8 NeverUnlucky, the Framer, has been lynched. Shapelog, LightningStrike, and Checkm8 have been warned for failing to vote. Night 1 will end in at Thursday, Dec 01 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). On December 04 2016 07:01 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 2 Final Vote Count
Not voting (3): Onegu, Shapelog, Checkm8 Shapelog, a [green]VT, has been lynched. Checkm8, a [green]VT, has been modkilled. Onegu has been warned for failing to vote. Night 2 has begun and will end in at Sunday, Dec 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). On December 07 2016 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 3 Final Vote Count ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vCQ06GU.gif)
sicklucker, the Godfather, has been lynched. Night 3 has begun and will end in at Wednesday, Dec 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). So in my mind: Rels, HF, darthfoley = all confirmed town; Rels will JK someone tonight and be crystal clear of who he is JKing. He has said it will be Onegu. IF there is no kp, it is confirmed that Onegu is mafia. If there is still KP, it is confirmed that Onegu is town. Rels will die, leaving two confirmed town left (HF, Onegu) even if you don't believe i'm town. Which means that either TT, mahrgell or EC is mafia. We're at 6v1; Rels will JK someone, and die 5v1 with either two confirmed town (Onegu/HF) or 5v1 and we know Onegu is mafia. Mislynch + NK = 3v1 final four with still one confirmed town. Probably want to lynch in final 4 because there's a confirmed town left? Idk, that bridge can be crossed when we get to it. Especially with SL flipping Godfather, I think it's clear as cleaning soap that i'm town. I think town is in a great position | ||
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On December 07 2016 08:31 Rels wrote: What happened to the "SL / Onegu doesn't make sense" thought ? Hehe | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:49 Holyflare wrote: If scum is onegu/emperor please just save us 6 days of our lives. If it's tt then whatever easy game easy life. I second this because I want to play another game; this has been fun | ||
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On December 08 2016 07:25 Holyflare wrote: I am legitimately only voting mahrgell today and if there's a tomorrow then it's darth. Fingers crossed that it's mahrgell because it's not me | ||
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On December 08 2016 18:29 mahrgell wrote: And about Emp not standing this through, again... With everyone suddenly doubting him... this makes his play entirely correct. And somehow he has been obsessed with you, which I still can't make any sense of (because yes... you were looking pretty damn scummy, sorry...) as it simply does not fit the game situation at all, no matter if he was certain on his 40% SL town post or not... And his night play doesnt make him look any better... Like seriously... His play completely jumped off a cliff somewhere at D3. And as someone pinpointed earlier... It was the moment he was suddenly doubted. I made that point on emperor. I honestly think the fact HF is still alive is super sus. Partly because he's brought up the WIFOM all the NKs have been terrible!!!!!! So many times. Apparently sicklucker is "terrible" mafia. Apparently the other mafia is terrible enough to be in a final 6. Currently I think Ticktock's idea of taking HF out today is the best idea because I don't think we will have the balls to do it tomorrow when it's MyLoL. I also find his reasons for town reading emp and onegu to be pretty silly at this stage in the game. He's mainly townreading emp because of his ONE reaction to his vote on you. Apparently this one reaction outweighed literally ALL the other suspicious shit he's done this game. Seems like a bit of late game buddying perhaps if emp is truly town. You say that emp/Onegu would be the easiest mislynches... then you try to ram through a "scum slip" vote on a new player...like that's not easy to do LOL. Also the fact that HF didn't die n2 is really fucking weird. Because Koshi was NOT JK'd N1, for any "experienced" player (besides me mahr and ch8) it would be like a 90% chance HF was JK'd considering everyone was saying how amazing he is later game. The experience thing doesn't even matter because sicklucker and NU (dead by that point) were mafia partners and would know this themselves. N2 would've been the obvious time to kill HF. I guess we're meant to believe that LS is a better kill than HF after he soft claimed blue and LS did nothing. Speaking of which, I've been trying to make sense of HF having so many obvious blue crumbs on D1... Would it be because he was trying to take bullet for the town? I highly doubt it considering he seems to think he's the next Hercules Poirot. Or maybe it was because he was trying to draw the JK away from Koshi so that Koshi could die? By doing the crumbs, you put the JK in a lose-lose spot. He has to choose between saving a potential blue role or the towniest VT. Most JKs would play it safe and go with the blue role IMO. Because that wouldn't work! Except that it did. HF can say not JK'ing Koshi was the dumbest play ever, but Rels isn't dumb and there's obviously a reason he JK'd HF > Koshi N1. It's probably because he was trying to protect a WIFOM blue claim that was also a really strong town... except you're not town. Now HF will counter this by saying SL flipping confirms him as town because mafia would never be stupid enough to let SL carry. So which is it? Was mafia really bad D1 for trying to kill Koshi, then really bad for killing LS, but suddenly really good for that one night? Also him sowing this much doubt in the town by throwing shade on me and mahrgell is a great play knowing that it takes two MLs to win. He has to have a plan to mislynch two players, and having a town circle of me and mahrgell cannot achieve that. At that point it would be a 50/50 between Emp/Onegu + HF if the other gets mislynched. Really like that point from TT. You played well and almost had me duped. But I'm gonna keep my vote on you for the foreseeable future. Even if I'm wrong, a final 4 isn't the end of the world and I don't want HF to somehow pull this game out of his ass. This game makes sense if it's HF ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
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On December 08 2016 23:40 Holyflare wrote: What your post sums up is. There's reasons and lots of reasons to scum read emp. All the reasons to scum read holyflare are based on night kills and non content reasons. But then you pick to vote me? To summarize your post. mahrgell's mafia because he slipped and I'm mafia for casing you Red alert: we have two mafia left in the game | ||
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On December 08 2016 23:38 Holyflare wrote: Furthermore, why is it odd that I voted mahrgell? If he hadn't have posted "oh it's just a joke" and tried to explain it then that's the biggest slip ever. It's silly to think it's not (and shambolic from tt). Not sure what this even means. I often check the thread right at the hour and the post is rarely there. I just haven't posted about it. You called him out on it before he defended it at all. Also you saying mafia has no brain cells to give SL KP is simply WIFOM. Yea JK might block the fake claim because hurr durr so obvious but he may not because of how obvious it is. And guess what, Rels didn't JK SL On December 05 2016 06:29 Rels wrote: I'm the jailkeeper. I targeted hf n1 and I m targeting him again this night now obviously you don't know this for sure as mafia, but with SL 100% going down and with a JK still alive, mafia need to make big boy decisions and risks... like confirming the last mafia as town. Mafia has been behind all game and needs to get ahead at some point | ||
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On December 08 2016 23:46 Holyflare wrote: Also how on earth would n2 be the night to kill me? If anything n2 is the night where you'd be MOST paranoid of me being jkd because there's still a jk alive and no koshi. I already explained why n2 would be the night to kill you in the paragraph before the sentence you cared about | ||
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On December 08 2016 23:50 Holyflare wrote: No only onegy tt and me are safe. Thought emp was safe because of his towny response???? | ||
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On December 09 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote: Um, yes but I'm asking you again because it literally made 0 sense. You can be jkd more than one night in a row. Oh I thought it was every other night | ||
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so this characterization of my play since D1 is not true imo. D2 I cased Shape pretty hard and was one of the driving forces behind the lynch. Unfortunately, I got that wrong. Regarding D3, I had made my opinion of SL very clear before he fake claimed JK. I even wanted to lynch him back as early as D1. Like everyone, I was a little confused initially with Rels's cc at night but I made my mind up and voted SL and had no reservations about it. It's not my fault there hasn't been much to talk about until today. The lynch order in my mind from D2 until now has been kind of obvious. I guess i've been a bit lazy outside of the lynches but there's no real point imo in concocting all these scenarios of hypotheticals contingent on X being Y and Z being Q. I think about the motivation of plays, but not specific players if that makes sense. Better to see what the flip is any analyze from there. As of now I think Onegu is probably town because of his interpretation of the long no-post phase, which I hadn't thought of but makes a lot of sense from town POV. Mahrgell meh his wall of texts and hedging makes me more nervous than his supposed slip but I guess I have to lean him town because of the other two. I'm super paranoid about HF although I need to rethink my case considering JKs can spam JK on someone multiple nights in a row. Can't remember the last time Emp said something I thought was towny. As of now I think the order should be HF --> emp or vice versa. I want confirmed!TT to come back pls | ||
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On December 09 2016 02:19 Holyflare wrote: No you don't, confirmed tt is a massive liability. Also please darth do explain how you go from sheeping me on a slip from mahrgell to wanting to vote me above absolutely everyone. I'm all ears. Because I slept on it and realized it wasn't enough for me to throw my vote on it. @mahrgell Because we can lynch HF now and I don't see a scenario in which we have the balls to lynch him in a final 4 Mylol. Sure if emp is scum then we win. If he's not then it's a final four between me you HF and Onegu and I'm quite nervous about the two of us being the two lynch candidates tomorrow, one of us voting on the other because each of us knows that we are individually town so we save our skin, then lose to scum!HF who's bullied us into doing so | ||
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1) emperor cuz until now he's been town read for his D1 play 2) HF because he's a strong, assertive, player who can get you to doubt your best judgement | ||
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On December 09 2016 02:38 mahrgell wrote: What is this fucking balls argument? Seriously? Sorry, but I indeed try to lynch who I believe is scum. This is not HF right now. So yes... maybe your logic is "when Emp is gone and [assuming] TT dies at night" there are 2 people less who vote for HF, because seemingly there is brolove between Onegu and HF and this Mahrgell dude seems unable to vote for HF. But well... then you better lobby to TT and Emp hard to get your will now. Until Emp shows up and brings me something convincing, and at this point im not sure what this could be, I will stick with him. And if things stay as they are, I will vote HF only if I'm the alternative target. Well.. given you have only fakevoted I guess I'm still the only train here... Lol @ fake voting. I forgot to post in the other thread because I posted right before class and the last game we played there was no vote thread. Fuck off if you think that's a legitimate strategy. Cool. Let's vote emperor then | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:02 mahrgell wrote: @DF I ust noticed, you ignored this question. Care to answer it? Trying to find my post this question prompted. If you're talking about my lynch order before I sheeped HF, it was probably emp--> onegu | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:34 Holyflare wrote: Can darth be mafia though? I can certainly see it with him doing 0% of the figuring out. No, i'm not mafia. 1. I've been on SL the whole game, and I wanted to lynch him d1. So basically my strategy was to solidify the lynch on my framer or switch the lynch train onto my godfather? Okay cool, makes a lot of sense. 2. D2 I provided some of the "best" analysis as to why Shapelog was mafia. I was wrong but the analysis was good and it made sense. 3. After Rels CC, I was very fine with lynching SL because it made the most sense. I even cased him D1. I've wanted him out consistently. 4. You can get mad at my approach, but i'm generally a lower activity player who prefers analysis after the fact instead of speculation. I've speculated a bit about the SL claim and the bus on NU, but I am not someone who nitpicks every single detail and tries to concoct a case based off of very little. I've played much of this game as after-the-fact analysis and it's worked. 5. I have thought Emp's play was weird since EoD1 in retrospect. He bussed his framer before he knew the train would pick up steam potentially, then didn't vote on Ticktock even after I pressed him on it, perhaps because he didn't want to lead a mislynch train and look bad for doing it. I mean, he's been townread since D1 until yesterday/now so it has worked if he's mafia. 6. The motivation for me to "figure the game out" today is minimal considering TT is guaranteed to die, and I'm perfectly fine to lynch Emp and see what happens. If that is incorrect, I will reevalute the game. I have wanted TT to post the most because I want to be able to look at his points if the game continues (emp = mislynch). I don't see the need in getting everyone super paranoid like you're doing (and like TT pointed out). 7. This is how I play town, feel free to look at my other games if it suits you. | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:58 Holyflare wrote: I don't know why you posted that wall of text 2 minutes before deadline Because I was answering your question, and I just got out of a meeting dunderhead | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote: I absolutely think your deadline post is bull shit by the way. Why on earth would you post a massive wall of text defending yourself if: A) you're not getting voted B) it's two minutes till deadline ????? a) if the game continues I could be voted on b) what does timing have to do with it at all? you're entitled to your opinion Hercules | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:21 Holyflare wrote: This doesn't answer anything at all. Why are you making a post defending yourself two minutes before a game was potentially about to end unleas you know it was going to continue? Because i'm town so I don't think about the timing on my posts, unlike someone who seems very interested in timing of posts | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:26 Holyflare wrote: And is being unsure a crime? No. It means I'm constantly unsure and re-evaluating and calling out bs when I see it. I'm seemingly the only one in this game that IS paranoid which is by far the correct emotion to be. You're the only one in the game that is paranoid? Really? Literally everyone else in the game is paranoid that you're still in the game, and we've all said as much. It's laughable that you're trying to say no one else is paranoid | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:30 Holyflare wrote: So what? You're not even legitimately calling me mafia lol. I've said for a long time that I think the lynch order should be emp --> you or vice versa. It's PoE and i'm town reading the other two players. Also, you're still alive in the final 4 even though you're some town boogeyman who's so good that no one even tried to kill you. To borrow TT's point, you've been sowing as much doubt as you can from a town circle forming. Also going back to the D1 vote, I think it's unlikely that both scum bussed their partner D1, so that is one of the reasons why i've cleared Mahrgell. He also hit SL hard just like I did. So either both Onegu and NU voted as scum buddies on emperor champion together, or they split votes one and one. You voted for Rels, NU voted for EC. Both were town. Think it's more likely mafia distance themselves from each other d1 because if the game had gone differenently, Onegu and NU (flipped scum) voting together would be drawing suspicion for no reason. | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:36 Holyflare wrote: Because the jk can jk the same target every night. Did you forget again? So the mafia were so scared of a JK that they kept you into the final 4? Guess the mafia doesn't have any balls... except they targeted Koshi N1 | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:39 Holyflare wrote: Nobody other than nu was getting voted day 1. You grossly underestimate my mafia play if you think I try and distance myself from free credit. I've never played against you before so why on earth would I ever listen to your self meta and analysis of your mafia game? It's worthless to me. | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:42 Holyflare wrote: I don't know why you keep trying to weave this logic. Koshi was a fine kill and also technically a medic dodge (by virtue of me being jk). There's only one possible night in this entire game where mafia has had some chance at killing me and that was night 2 where I was also a likely jk target. Koshi was a fine kill boyz. So fine. On December 02 2016 08:21 Holyflare wrote: So many reasons. The primary one being I'm not a retard. On December 08 2016 16:39 Holyflare wrote: It doesn't even make sense for me to throw suspicion on everyone as mafia because onegu and emperor would be the easiest mislynches and the world would be none the wiser. Every nk even points to me being town. There's no way I know it's a jk setup and kill koshi that's just fucking dumb. Then ls he was doing nothing and absolutely was not going to solve this game. Then I was jkd two nights in a row and still nothing. Paranoia over things is absolutely a towny trait because everything in everyone's filter can make them mafia. Just because I air my grievances and rescind them quickly is just me speaking my mind. You either explain why mahrgell isn't tmi or you vote mahrgell. There is no me. It's a fine kill boyzzzzzz also what mahrgell said l0l | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:45 mahrgell wrote: And Koshi a fine kill? Havent you raged about everyone calling you not townconfirmed as you would never be terrible enough to kill Koshi there? hey mahrgell we're town okay. let's figure it out | ||
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On December 08 2016 23:37 Holyflare wrote: The guy above me is mafia because that wall of text is the most superficial pile of shit I have ever seen. YOU are saying that my vote on mahrgell today is opportune and bad and a mafia play while YOU YOURSELF sheeped it. I claim blue in every single game I've ever played on n1 to try and draw a mafia shot. Everyone knows this too so it's pretty much redundant and good if I am actually blue. And, yes, killing koshi was a TERRIBLE risk to take as mafia. One that I would never in a million years make because I am a risk averse mafia player. Yet, killing LS the next night was also a terrible play because LS is the easiest person to convince of everything (see when I won himalayas) and he also doesn't do much contributing. Very subpar kill when there's mahrgell/emperor /you/me to kill. Hence why I was trying to figure it out. Me not dying when there's one possible night I could have died on is not suspicious. Mafia making sl carry a kp when they literally know there's an unccd jk in the game is a terrible play. Just because they made very risky dumb kills does not mean they have 0 brain cells. Another one for the road | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:47 Holyflare wrote: Koshi was a fine kill because it worked. That's such a stretch explanation wowza | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:48 Holyflare wrote: Look, I'll give this game to you. Just vote me tomorrow and I'll afk ok? That doesn't sound like HerculesFlare who wants to solve the game and figure it out! if it isn't you, it's Onegu. If it's mahrgell i'm going to kick my dick in | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:52 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry if my ego grated you the wrong way and you feel like you're so town it hurts but I'm not seeing it and that makes you personally attack me for petty reasons but that's just the way I work. It's not going to change and if you wanna get along with me you should work with me instead, mahrgell is much more agreeable now than when we first started. I feel like our relationship blossomed to new heights when we battled through the darkness. Oh so you can call him funny names but when I do it, it's foul play. If you don't see how i'm town then call me mafia; you're the one hedging now. I'll go back to actual evidence though. On December 02 2016 10:10 sicklucker wrote: Heres why hf would not nk koshi. Hf is a very good scum player right? and hes not really scumread by very many people in this game. So theres no reason for him to take an insane risk and target someone whos gonna be protected like 50-70% of the time thats insane for him. Hes in a good position to win this game as scum. There is 0 reason he would do this as scum zero. Who would do this nk as scum? Well the simple answer is people who suck. People who are losing getting rape. People who have zero confidence in winning the game without getting really lucky and dodging a save. This is not holyflares mo. This is darth/shapelog/check new player or less confident type of players that make this nk. Holyflare is too cocky and good to make this nightkill. He was acualy right when he said this nk makes him confirm town. Damn you holyflare Well, HF was soft claiming blue the night Rels decided to save him. I picked up on that and I was VT. Rels easily could've. Sounds like a decent plan to get Koshi out of the game and get the JK on you while sl carries the shot. | ||
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I'm going to be rather annoyed if a 7 page filter Onegu steals this mehhhh. I have 13 and even that pales in comparison to the 19 and 22 of Mahr/HF. | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:59 Holyflare wrote: Even mafia didn't agree with your night kill analysis I'm afriad. I think it's generally good if mafia don't agree with your analysis... considering they're trying to win the game. | ||
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Mafia: gotta kill Koshi at some point, and with consecutive JKs, it's easiest to do it N1 when the player pool is the largest. Mafia: hmmm, how do we do this? Mafia: we need to lure the JK away from Koshi...but how? Let's sort of kind of really obviously soft claim blue. If the JK is semi intelligent, the chance of a good town like HF dying while also being the cop is too much risk to take as JK. Especially because Rels knew the setup had to be #3. It's the safest JK even though it's WIFOM | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:04 Holyflare wrote: I'm of the opinion mafia tell the truth about things like that because they have a compulsion to reveal their tmi, much like sl and revealing the jker situation. I can almost guarantee the mafia qt has something written about me being 100% jk n1. Why did you soft claim blue D1 | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:03 mahrgell wrote: ... Change of topic: Can someone summarize again why Onegu is so townish to everyone? Like... Him being cheerful during D1, cool.. Him doing more happy posts... okay... His great plan how to end the game (which he presented way after the modpost telling about there being no nolynch option, so again, it was not game relevant) Like I went through his filter again... And there are simply only 3 content posts regarding this game. Everything else is joyful spam (LOCKTOWN!) or him talking about his great plan which again was not about this game... And well... his D4 actions were ultimately lazy... He ignored all questions directed at him during pretty much the entire game... and was always gone when action happened at most opportune times... Like it just all fit for him... And the most solid reasoning for him being townread are actually in the filters of NU and SL. But if this idlestrat was the plan all the time... those comments actually make kinda sense... Maybe im wifoming myself here... But after all those hard fought battles... I would probably the saddest puppy in the universe if shellshockedNU-randomizerSL and afkOnegu win this game.... Yea I'm gonna have to look through his filter again. It's especially worrying cuz Onegu has already said HF is the lynch no matter what for him. Which then makes sense as to why he kept HF around, simply to vote on him in final 4 and provide 0 logic except, I DONT WANNA LOSE TO YOU. Fuck this game | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:11 Holyflare wrote: I don't have anyone on any kind of order. I'm open to lynching anyone. Onegu is probably the lowest on my list of 3. Why are you frustrated if you think I'm mafia? Because the more I think about it the more underwhelming Onegu's play has been and i'm getting cold feet. For me it's between you two (mahrgell is out of the equation unless something drastic changes). If Onegu is mafia and we incorrectly mislynch you then i'm going to be kicking myself for letting such an inactive mafia member who literally never cast a vote on a mafia win the game. If you're mafia and I vote Onegu then i'm going to be kicking myself for not going with my intially final 4 read and not taking Koshi's advice of killing you with fire and brimstone if you're still alive by D3. Basically if Onegu is town i'm really annoyed with how he played this game cuz it would be a lot easier if he had been more active, and if you're town i'm annoyed with how i'm letting Onegu slide | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler [blue claims] + HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted 10-06-2016 12:16 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Yes to make it obvious I'm not blue by dropping in that I'm vig but also making "slips" like talking about what the vig should do. That and I always claim blue at night anyway. On December 10 2016 08:08 darthfoley wrote: Yea I'm gonna have to look through his filter again. It's especially worrying cuz Onegu has already said HF is the lynch no matter what for him. Which then makes sense as to why he kept HF around, simply to vote on him in final 4 and provide 0 logic except, I DONT WANNA LOSE TO YOU. Fuck this game I mean that's kind what I was thinking. We're in a final 4 and his vote on you is policy lynch... which by definition you can't really argue with or "disprove" because it's a personal policy lol | ||
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On December 10 2016 08:19 Holyflare wrote: And koshi's plan is totally applicable in about 90% of games. Just not in ones where mafia know the setup before the game starts. Can you explain why that matters? Honest question not trying to be a jerk | ||
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On December 10 2016 21:20 mahrgell wrote: @DF Have you played with SL before? If so, can you describe the game and your performance? I played with sicklucker once in a cell mafia game. I was town and he was mafia, but I was out of the game (because of the format) before I really interacted with him. I just remembered his posting style to be a bit similar to that game from what I remembered. Other than that, I haven't played with him. | ||
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On December 10 2016 22:59 mahrgell wrote: @DF: How confident were you in Emp being scum at EoD4? I was actually pretty confident when I saw his "sorry town " post because I felt like that was a post from scum knowing they're going down and apologizing for lying the whole game lol. I didn't think any of his points were great to the point where I would have switched my vote. | ||
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On December 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote: I'm at a friend's Christmas party all weekend so yeh I can't really say much. Mahr what do you think of df's frustration at me? I find it strange that he's so frustrated with me if he thinks I'm mafia? Why would I be frustrated with you if I were mafia? Your question implies that i'm mafia without actually saying it. | ||
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On December 11 2016 02:51 mahrgell wrote: Also, while I'm in funny questions mode: What was your impression of SLs play d1/n1: Was this the kind of play suited to get himself to lylo and win there? Or "did it just go wrong, or was surviving until the end never the goal?" My impression was that it was nearly impossible for him to achieve that with this rather chaotic and strange play... And the general consensus on him n1/d2 seems to somehow agree with that. I actually didn't read the cell game closely after I died. His posting style just seemed very bad. On November 30 2016 07:30 darthfoley wrote: It's actually pretty crazy how bad sicklucker's filter is. This is so lazy and never explains anything. I only had like five posts at this point and he chose not to read any of them? Also provides no reason why he agrees with town reads. What made them horrible, and why does their interactions being horrible make them "very town"? When I think of "horrible" interactions, I think of two mafia buddies not knowing how to interact with each other in the thread He's a fine (at worst) policy lynch so far to be continued On November 30 2016 15:52 darthfoley wrote: I like Ticktock's list post at first glance tbh. As of now I think either sicklucker, HF, or emperor to be reasonable D1 lynches. I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it On November 30 2016 15:53 darthfoley wrote: i'm getting actually annoyed with sicklucker's posting. so much agreement, so few original points l0l On December 01 2016 03:37 darthfoley wrote: To answer your question, i'm willing to leave HF be for D1-- i'll defer to more experienced players regarding the utility of keeping him in the game if he's town (basically not being a smart D1 lynch). The one thing I remember sticking out to me that I liked from HF was how he called out Rels's mahrgell read. That post is very town to me. I originally read Rels as town for kinda backing of mahrgell on that post, but in retrospect he backed off for no real explained reason which is not something I remember town!Rels doing much in the games I've played with him. Similarly I liked emporer's post about TT and I thought he brought up good points regarding how TT was basically disagreeing with all his townreads and voting for someone all his town reads were town reading. That progression doesn't really make sense. I liked TT's post at first glance but I was kinda lazy and didn't analyze it carefully last night. Don't think emperor is the right lynch. I still think sicklucker has been pretty inadequate. I agree that D1 is generally annoying and really arbitrary, but him parking his vote 4 hours before the deadline and peacing out has approximately 0 town vibes to it. This might not be a thing but I also found it weird how sicklucker voted in the vote thread but didn't announce it in the discussion thread. Maybe that's normal for people to do but i've never seen it. Checkm8 has disappeared, i'd like a reminder as to why people think captain newb is town. I'll have to reexamine NU. Don't like this universal town read on LS, considering that's how he won the last game i played with him. I still haven't seen any reasons to town read him besides "tonal/vibes/feels" that I don't share. Before examining the cases on NU, I think TT is a pretty good lynch right now considering I think his claim that he's playing D1 like he always does is pretty shite, along with emp's case. ##Unvote This was and still is my interpretation of SL d1. | ||
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On December 11 2016 07:40 Holyflare wrote: No, if someone is mafia it's df for posting his bs defence 2 mins till deadline while "thinking" emp is mafia amd his response to mahr's slip. And him being angry at me while calling me mafia. None of it makes sense tbh. then fucking vote me and stop being annoying about it | ||
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(( as if you didn't spend the first week irl being a dick to mahrgell. I'm not going to vote for mahrgell and if that was a scum slip, so be it. You say to "literally vote you" and you'll go AFK then you post 4 more times within 30 minutes. mahrgell makes multiple good points on you, you even say "touché" on your main locktown point when he logically fucks you, then you proceed to call everyone who cases you a BADDIE OMGUS STUPID NARRATIVES!!!! I'm putting my vote on you. ##Vote: HolyFlare | ||
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On December 11 2016 07:47 Holyflare wrote: Like fuck i was right about his posts being super genuine around the slip and his good analysis on tt but then wifom machine to max. i wonder how you could be so right?! | ||
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On December 10 2016 07:45 Holyflare wrote: Ah, touche. I forgot it was that night. Touche! Touche! | ||
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On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote: Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ | ||
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On December 11 2016 08:12 Holyflare wrote: There's no reason for you to be here. I'm not defending myself. I'm telling everyone to vote me. You don't need to bury me in anything. On December 11 2016 08:10 Holyflare wrote: When did i appeal to emotion because you called me a name? I was annoyed because you're stating shitty indefensible arguments about why I was mafia that involved me knowing what mafia was thinking and then repeatedly quoting one part of my post and using circular logic ("but mafia are dumb now they're not dumb!") that doesn't sound too defensive, it's just OMGUS | ||
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On December 11 2016 08:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm telling you to vote me. I'm not disputing anything. You're right I'm mafia. You can go afk now. Nah, i'm going to vote for you and continue to play the game the way I want to play the game. Basically I want to analyze Onegu with mahrgell, so yea i'm going to play the game. Thanks for telling me to not play the game though | ||
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On December 11 2016 08:20 Holyflare wrote: Then what is there to analyse? Whatever the fuck I want. Thank god there is 48 hours to every day! | ||
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On December 11 2016 07:40 Holyflare wrote: No, if someone is mafia it's df for posting his bs defence 2 mins till deadline while "thinking" emp is mafia amd his response to mahr's slip. And him being angry at me while calling me mafia. None of it makes sense tbh. no ifs mate, there's definitely a mafia in the game! | ||
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On December 11 2016 08:35 mahrgell wrote: Hmm... so everyone slinging shit and doing funny WIFOM... I guess we talk tomorrow then... maybe there is more reason in the game then... You made a reasonable post that I agreed with and hf just said that it was terrible but you should vote for him. Don't know how you're supposed to converse if everything is WIFOM and OMGUS | ||
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On December 11 2016 09:42 mahrgell wrote: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26225656 This defense, 3 minutes before deadline with a sealed lynch on Emp who DF was certain to be last scum (so game should have ended) Given that this triggered most of the mess N4 had become... I seriously wonder if you read the game. Where did you get the opinion that I was certain he was mafia? That's not true. | ||
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On December 12 2016 11:31 Onegu wrote: I HAVE FIGURED THE GAME OUT. The key is SL filter. They bussed each other all game. But when SL started getting pressure he jumped off of DF for very little reason. Moved him out of his scum read. ##Unvote ##Vote Darthfoley What scum motivation is there to put a lot of pressure on me, then backing off rapidly for no stated reason if we're both scum? I thought the strategy was to bus each other all game? SL had to know he was going to die and flip red; there is no benefit to doing this with SL so close to his assured lynch because it draws attention to our interactions. But, you'll say this is WIFOM. So, moving on. I also bolded your post because you conveniently leave out that I was adamantly against leaving both JK claims alive and I wanted to lynch SL almost right after Rels CC'd. Mahrgell and I were the pressure SL felt. Hell, if you wanna talk bussing, all HF mahrgell and I were very hard on him that day and "bussed" him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SL's read progression on Onegu + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2016 23:02 sicklucker wrote: I dont really think onegu is ever this tryhard as mafia. When I have seen him mafia he mostly trolled and fought me anyway On November 30 2016 23:04 sicklucker wrote: Like I have played against onegu mafia twice. and both times it was insanely obvious to me so much that i was doing assassination reads before he even flipped based on him being mafia and was right. dont see it here so far. Theres like context and acual thought and shit On November 30 2016 23:15 sicklucker wrote: I have no evidence that onegu is capable of this much thought and text as mafia from my limited experience. mostly hes just combatant and trolly but he has avoided that On December 03 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote: I mean im pretty sure thats this world lol. well 35% ish cm8 is a flip rest are town a bunch of the time On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare huge drop Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who Rels Darthfole about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 06 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote: ticktock one of you or onegu. pretty easy poe. probably you. maybe df too tho but less likely On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote: Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me On December 06 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote: I can agree to that which is why its hard to find the last mafia for me. I dont have alot of options and I thought they were all townie pre rels bullshit. and onegus voting ticktock which is townie afaik since I know im town On December 06 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote: I would vote emp to save ticktock. think onegus way better tho This read progression gives me the heebiejeebies. First he town reads Onegu for saying Onegu doesn't try hard when he's mafia, he plays trolly mafia. There are two problems with this: one, the consensus was that Onegu was playing the early game trolly, or as HF would say, “like a shitter.” Secondly, that opinion of Onegu's scum playstyle directly contradicts Koshi's opinion who we know was town and therefore wasn't trying to deceive. On November 29 2016 19:14 Koshi wrote: If you read these people their post; Checkm8, EC, Mahrgell you can see they are the same alignment because their posts on NeverUnlucky. Even if NU is not red. Shape can still be mafia but his post on NU also went the right way. Just wishy washy as fuck and that is standard town!Shape. He knows whats up but couldn't nail it yet. darthfoley just solid posting. Shouldn't be considered atm. LS is my bro. Town posting style. Onegu would be playing out of the box mafia. But he is out of the box tryhard mafia. But he is doing too good of a job atm. So not lynchable. HF disappointing atm. Hopefully picks it up. TT also mafia. He's also indirectly stating that Onegu is “tryharding” this game when at the time, he had only put out one content post worth a damn. SL then spends half the game town reading Onegu for shit Onegu did D1. What really makes me suspicious is his reads late game, when he knows he's going to get lynched and flip red. It almost feels as if he realizes that his filter interaction with Onegu was lacking, so he puts out a few posts claiming Onegu is a “question mark” (yet still somehow a town read?) but then finishes by saying Onegu is a better lynch than emperorchampion (who SL had been town reading all game). Now, of course SL is “lying” in his reads because they aren't genuine, but he never actually tries to go after Onegu after saying he would be a good lynch. To me it seems like ultimate panic hedging. My concern has only gotten worse since I checked Onegu's filter and a ctrl+F only found 7 results for an interaction with sicklucker. To me, it kinda makes sense that their interactions would be so peripheral IF they're both mafia, and Onegu is telling the truth when he says On December 11 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote: Wow this is really what you are putting here? Me and SL are almost as bad as me and Koshi. IE we dont really get along. I was actually surprised he was jokey with me this game. It should have put off warning bells for me but didnt. Like HF wrote is is a nut and tries to make big plays just so he can. But his relationship with HF is much better than it is with me. And the self centered vet part is true. If you have terrible interpersonal chemistry, it makes sense why you'd try to stay out of each other's way, even if it's subconscious. I'm becoming less confident in my vote on HF, cuz that would require SL to super bus NU and super duper town read HF. I need to go to bed now, but i'll have some time tomorrow to analyze NU's filter and go through SL + mahrgell. | ||
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On December 13 2016 00:26 Holyflare wrote: No it doesn't but it's weird regardless. Problem is I could easily see you being mafia as well as df. Was it df who was trying to set up a different day 1 lynch? No, I was wary of the one train lynch because of reasons you accepted and thought reasonable earlier in the game | ||
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On December 13 2016 00:33 Holyflare wrote: Onegu also calls out nu day 1 and df likes the post but hasn't really used it in regards to onegu at all this cycle/last. In fact has said almost nothing about onegu other than a narrative and that he hasn't mentioned sl. Idk what your second sentence is supposed to mean. Yea I've spent most of today butting heads with you. I'm giving onegu attention now because tunneling in the final 4 is bad usually. I'm going to use WIFOM like you and onegu-- why would you still be my primary lynch if I were mafia? You clearly aren't the "easy" mislynch at this point. Also don't like how onegu's been in the thread but hasn't responded to my post at all. Not even an OMGUS | ||
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On December 12 2016 20:19 Holyflare wrote: I think there are fundamental flaws in your philosophy with what mafia do. Mafia have perfect information and quite a lot like to give out that perfect information in the form of reads that don't quite make sense in comparison to what you're seeing and what confirmed dead townies have said but makes sense when they know that player's alignment. So, when Koshi says something like Onegu is try harding (but is ok for now) it's an imperfect read. However, if SL gives A LOT of reasoning for someone being town that isn't really what we're looking at in this game and pushes that point it is most likely him displaying his tmi, like the jk situation. That is why I've taken it to mean Onegu is towny so much. It's hard to make up stuff to that degree as mafia. Furthermore, if a mafia player is bussing their partner but then is given stuff to stop bussing their partner they should be willingly taking it. That is why I have great pause with you DF. SL kept you as a scum read even when presented with information that made you not mafia. He only backed down based on barely any information. A suspicious progression if I've seen one. Really want clarification for these sentences. What info was presented to SL that "made me not mafia?" Who presented this information? You're saying mafia who're bussing you willingly take outs to NOT bus, then say that when presented with these opportunities, SL did not take them. Conclusion: I'm mafia. Wtf is this logic? | ||
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On December 13 2016 00:44 Holyflare wrote: Because I'm the popular vote and aren't doing anything. Either way, the second sentence is in reference to a post Onegu made day 1 calling out NU. At no point have you referenced this post when reading onegu or making your onegu narrative. In your narrative you solely pick on onegu's reaction to sl (when onegu hasn't even really been playing those days). At no time do you bring up onegu's post on nu in favour of onegu. Instead you mention that onegu has no posts of content at all. You liked his content post calling out nu on day 1. Why haven't you mentioned it? Because I spent almost my time on SL's filter last night, which I provided as a caveat to my analysis on Onegu. I'll look over NU's filter a bit later | ||
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On December 13 2016 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Are we sure it can't be mahrgell onegu? You keep asking this yet aren't filtering him at all lol | ||
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On December 13 2016 03:26 mahrgell wrote: I've heard that before, but you forgot to mention that it was a great case. Or did you obmit that because HF already mentioned that? I'm confused by your question. His case against me was great? His case relies on the fact the SL was put under pressure yet he seemingly forgets that I was one of the people who originally put pressure on SL. Likewise, I called SL out on his flip flop progression of me when it happened. He claimed that he was trying to move the lynch train off shapelog and I was the one who grilled him and said that was bullshit. I've called SL out on his bull all game and was actually right and now it's being used as the primary reason to scum read me. Basically being good town is why Onegu and HF want me to get lynched. I guess my alternative wagon of TT (suspicious town D1) or SL (the fucking godfather) on D1 was the perfect bus start! The case against me is quite weak and relies on WIFOM bussing play. The only "bus" we have confirmed is SL on NU D1 when there were few other options, yet now people are using it as "The Mafia Doctrine," assuming SL + last remaining mafia played the same game as SL + NU. Really lazy reasoning | ||
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On December 13 2016 03:35 Holyflare wrote: Things that make me town: my not caring attitude the fact I've called myself town 10000000 times the fact I tried to get absolutely 0 credit from a definite NU lynch while pushing it and voting off the wagon the fact I said we should be lynching SL since day one if SL isn't mafia and then myself and LS/you called out SL and he claiemd JK the fact that I was the ONLY one to try and figure out SL/Rels at the start of the day while the majority of the game wanted to leave the claims alone the fact that I re-calculated SL's alignment from the night to the day after he didn't die and posted damning posts on him the fact that SL has repeatedly called me confirmed town based on the NK wifom the fact that mafia kp still went through while I was jkd 2 nights in a row the fact that I've been wrong a lot the fact I'm emotional and hypocritical and paranoid and tinfoily and unwilling to commit in lylo the fact that I haven't pushed someone as definitely mafia and yelled until that person gets lynched repeatedly the fact that at lylo I haven't even bothered to really save myself and instead told you to lynch me when my most priced possession is my mafia win record The problem is, some of these are compelling reasons to look elsewhere (which I've done on Onegu) and which is why I want you to properly look through Mahrgell like you've done to me. However, I know I'm town, so if the vote is between me or someone else (like you) I literally have to vote on it or town loses. I'm in a predicament and open to options but you're also wrong about me. I'm least likely to vote Mahr right now but if you think there's a case, I'd like to hear it. I really don't want to lose this game after we lynched a mafia D1 | ||
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On December 13 2016 03:37 mahrgell wrote: @DF it was a NU joke I obv suck at jokes. :/ Oh idk how I missed that hahah | ||
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On December 13 2016 04:19 Holyflare wrote: Df can you make a "im town because" post? Sure and hopefully I can answer your question immediately afterwards. If not, I'll be back on an hour before the deadline cuz on campus work ugh. No including home points because we're 2.5 hours from deadline; I am town because: - I was hyper aware of town inactivity D1 and I was really nervous about the one lynch train. Remember EC and his TY case? At the time we didn't know they were both town. - I ultimately got no town cred for NU's flip even though I called him out on his "you're case is good but I'm town :/" ass post. If mafia was attempting to get town cred from a bus, I completely made a bigger spectacle than I needed to that got me lots of attention immediately after flip. - I have been on SL a since D1 for multiple legitimate reasons, INCLUDING his afk park vote on NU. His vote was one of the specific reasons I was worried about the NU lynch. - I wanted to move the lynch to either TT or SL D1. Godfather > framer so this doesn't make sense from mafia POV. - I've answered all questions directed at me honestly and directly all game. Don't really have an agenda because I'm town and I think my posting style suggests as much. - as soon and Rels CC'd I put lots of pressure on SL and realized quite quickly that it would be a huge mistake to keep them both alive and "search for other mafia." This is actually a big town point in my favor because iirc both Onegu and Major wanted us to let them be and "figure the rest out" which made NO sense and was useless. Had to be decided then. - My case on Shapelog was wrong but I think it's clear the logic behind it was solid considering lots of (now) confirmed town agreed with it. - my laziness for a few days was because I thought I had the game figured out between Shape/ch8/SL/EC and with finals coming up this week I took a back seat. - I don't care how my posts come off in terms of timing etc. similar to my other point, I'm not "calculated" - I've been sassy and sarcastic. Self meta that you don't have to buy - only played scum once on this site and it was a debacle especially because in that game my two mafia mates (boxer Fred and ?? Can't remember) went down early and left me on my own. I'm bad at scum. The case against me is one or two circumstantial points that at this point literally everyone who town has strictly because we don't have perfect information so we end up doing stuff that looks bad unknowingly. Going to ##Unvote as a show of good faith because as it stands I could just keep my vote on HF and always win a 2:2 tie because of vote timing | ||
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You don't have to believe me but at the time I was on mobile and eating dinner and saw both vets HF and Onegu call mahr out in a slip. I sort of saw the logic but at the time I trusted both of you and thought it was a decent point. I had also had tin foil theories about mahrgell as mafia for a while and no one really took me up on that idea so I was over eager because other people were starting to see the game in my tin foil way too. Then after TT fired back at you I could see how experienced mafia could jump on anything and everything to try and make the game easier | ||
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(I know I said I wasn't voting him earlier). Now for me it's between Onegu and Mahrgell. A few points on Mahrgell that gave me pause 1. I found HF vs. mahrgell for like 2 days to be a bit manufactured in the sense that it wasted time, filled filter and didn't really add to the game. 2. I have a personal beef with the sheer amount of WoTs mahr has provided even when I and other people have called him out. I made the point near the beginning of the game that excessive WoT and shitty formatting discourages people from actually reading. I can think of a reason this could be beneficial to someone... 3. The way he saw the SL vs. Rels JK thing was so opposite from how I saw it. He pushed the VT!SL thing a lot and said we should totally ignore it. Which still doesn't make sense. 4. No ones pointed this out, but SL's read of mahr went from town --> scum near his death iirc. It's weird tat people give mahr town cred for pushing SL when he wanted initially to keep SL alive 5. He keeps saying it's between HF and DF yet is stuck on everything HF says and hasn't pushed me at all. It started to feel like he had the votes and vote timing with my vote so he didn't want to anger me and lose the 2:2 advantage. These are all concrete non-meta points that give me pause | ||
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1. Fighting incessantly with mahr early on for no reason 2. His confirmed town SL flip thing fell apart from mahrgell's questioning and he admitted SL couldve carried kp n2 with his logic 3. ??? Also feel like the LS death should've definitely been like me or Mahrgell and I know I'm town so wahhhhhh?!?!!? | ||
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HF and I shared tin foils on LS. Again I go back to the point that his death doesn't make sense | ||
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We should look at who was advocating what for the final JK | ||
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Unfortunately I'm not at a PC now so I can't look through it as well as I'd like but I'll give it a mobile go | ||
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On December 13 2016 05:31 Onegu wrote: I guess that is another thing about Mahr he said something to the effect of why would SL do that there if he was a GF and a strong role in the game... Which is a completely bullshit point considering The Godfather is useless after cop dies. That should be obvious | ||
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On December 13 2016 05:34 Onegu wrote: DF here is the post and my response to it Town points for you, but I still don't understand why SL's play confirms you town? Clarification necessary? | ||
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I'd like to think i was going to follow my recent posts and lynch Mahrgell but I can't be sure. You did play very well but I'm proud of myself for not tunneling HF and being critical of you. Also happy I got SL so early on. Definitely my best play town!DF game I think. Scum and obs QT? Also can you explain your kill reasoning etc cuz I'm interested? Thanks to mahrgell for admitting to his mistake. It's a bummer but I appreciate the gesture | ||
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Anyone have a link to the obs QT? | ||
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On December 13 2016 06:43 Holyflare wrote: Also it was bull shit. Rels got modconfirmed town day 2. how? | ||
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On December 13 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote: GG Imo Gell gets the win despite conceding. Prob not playing again for awhile. hindsight is 20/20, but i thought the lynch wind was starting to blow in mahrgell's direction right before the mod thing happened. We'll never know! | ||
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