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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx ? | ||
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AFK Jungle
Russian Federation59 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote: every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise not really. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18160 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
*Work cancelled so you guys are stuck with me for the next few hours. I'm voting Vivax. I want the second wagon to be Skynx. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18160 Posts
I liked this response at the time, but in hindsight, I don't know. His whole position regarding HF is weird. At the time, I got a "ha, townie" feel from it, because it seemed like a townie who was frustrated by a fellow townie derping up the lynch. However, he started the game calling HF scum. Then backs off, and seems to attack HF every now and then without calling him scum. I am having trouble reading Luna. Luna, are you there? I want to talk to you, and seeing as your head is on the chopping block, you might want to save yourself. Don't worry if you're scum. Just keep afk'ing and rot in hell on the lynch. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town. + Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] + On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual. #Vote Koshi + Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] + On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote: The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. + Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] + On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote: HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote: That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. + Show Spoiler [angst spirit] + On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote: Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. + Show Spoiler [defensive] + On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote: I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote: haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. + Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] + On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote: HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote: Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. + Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] + On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3 On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Skynx....he lurks, fucked off when he's off the wagon ala Vivax style, martyr's and appeals to your emotional side so he can live. He made promises and hasn't done shit. I'm his biggest scumread (and Hopeless1) and we have seen absolutely 0. Because there isn't shit to case since he knows we are town. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18160 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:23 Tubesock wrote: *Work cancelled so you guys are stuck with me for the next few hours. I'm voting Vivax. I want the second wagon to be Skynx. Skynx's reactions yesterday were pretty solid townie. I will go back and filter him again, seeing as I didn't get very far with Luna. Your question whether he would tunnel two dangerous townies right off the bat is a pretty good point. Usually scummers are careful not to pick fights with strong players (unless they are both scum and stage their fight, which is damned hard to do). On the other hand I don't feel he was picking a fight with HF. He was definitely tunneled on Koshi. But his whole mindset around HF is just... weird. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18160 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:48 Tubesock wrote: So what's Lunatic's crimes this game? He lurked, and only has like 5 reads. He's consistent and fearless. Skynx....he lurks, fucked off when he's off the wagon ala Vivax style, martyr's and appeals to your emotional side so he can live. He made promises and hasn't done shit. I'm his biggest scumread (and Hopeless1) and we have seen absolutely 0. Because there isn't shit to case since he knows we are town. Having H1 as a scum read is a pretty solid one imho, and other than your stream-of-consciousness at night, it's hard to see you as townie too. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:50 Acrofales wrote: Skynx's reactions yesterday were pretty solid townie. I will go back and filter him again, seeing as I didn't get very far with Luna. Your question whether he would tunnel two dangerous townies right off the bat is a pretty good point. Usually scummers are careful not to pick fights with strong players (unless they are both scum and stage their fight, which is damned hard to do). On the other hand I don't feel he was picking a fight with HF. He was definitely tunneled on Koshi. But his whole mindset around HF is just... weird. And it's not even really that he wouldn't pick a fight on HF. It's that mafia might do that, BUT they certainly would try to get out of it later when they had good opportunity (when thread sentiment backed off HF) | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:51 Acrofales wrote: Having H1 as a scum read is a pretty solid one imho, and other than your stream-of-consciousness at night, it's hard to see you as townie too. That's fine. But he promised to case us. We're both probably easy to get lynched. (Less Hopeless I think). But the only people think I'm town is Bill Murray. Not exactly a great knight in shining armor. He hasn't cased me because he's waiting on someone else to break the ice then pile on. Blending and shit. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads. Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town. + Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] + On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual. #Vote Koshi + Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] + On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote: The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. + Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] + On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote: HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote: That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. + Show Spoiler [angst spirit] + On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote: Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. + Show Spoiler [defensive] + On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote: I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote: haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. + Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] + On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote: HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote: Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. + Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] + On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3 On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die. so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else? ok it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here. target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least. i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell. regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
saw opportunity to omgus, overreacted to a relatively neutral comment, never revisits the original part at all: HF, looking like town NOPE GOTTA FITE | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On October 25 2016 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote: so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else? ok it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here. target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least. i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell. regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too. I have seen plenty (and done it myself) where town went obstinate and stubborn. I've seen several mafia pick fights to pick fights and shit the thread. But what happens so often is they find a reason to town the person and get back on their good side. I think Luna had a good opportunity to change his read on HF to make it look like he was town for sticking up and reevaluating. I just don't think mafia would risk having someone like HF lynch you before you can NK him. | ||
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