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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:04 GMT
#3021
tldr i am against your townread stop feeling the way you do
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:05 GMT
#3022
On October 25 2016 04:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote:
I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.

Towns:
beentheredonethat
1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF)
I think that's it.

Scums:
HolyFlare
Koshi
(if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)

I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.

He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.

I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.

I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.

Lunaticman is town.


+ Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] +
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.

#Vote Koshi


+ Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] +
On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote:
The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now.

+ Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] +
On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote:
HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you.

On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.

Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi.

+ Show Spoiler [angst spirit] +
On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.

Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.


Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.

HF is obviously trying to make me look scum.

On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.


I already mentioned he could be mafia, yes.

I'd like you to talk about other people though.


Covering for your scum buddy I see.

+ Show Spoiler [defensive] +
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.

On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.


So omgus?


haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.

+ Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] +
On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:

Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow



Null:

Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)

Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)

Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)

Hamazura (need more)

Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)

ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)

Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)

Tubesock (zzzz?)



HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.

A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.

On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.

You're all talk and no substance.


Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.

I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.

For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.

Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.

The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.

+ Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] +
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3

On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote:
Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.

so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else?
ok
it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this
changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here.

target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it
it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least.
i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell.


regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too.


I have seen plenty (and done it myself) where town went obstinate and stubborn.

I've seen several mafia pick fights to pick fights and shit the thread. But what happens so often is they find a reason to town the person and get back on their good side. I think Luna had a good opportunity to change his read on HF to make it look like he was town for sticking up and reevaluating. I just don't think mafia would risk having someone like HF lynch you before you can NK him.

but if he's scum he knows they're gonna NK HF?
so he knows he doesnt need to stop?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-24 19:12:26
October 24 2016 19:06 GMT
#3023
Vote Count - Day 2


Vivax (9): iamperfection, Acrofales, Dandel Ion, Skynx, ExO_, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Tubesock, WaveofShadow, Bill Murray, Skynx, beentheredonethat, sicklucker, Tubesock
Lunaticman (6): Koshi, ptmc, Koshi, Artanis[xP], Hopeless1der, Kurumi, ritoky
Koshi (1): Lunaticman
iamperfect (1): GlowingBear
Tubesock (1): Vivax
HamazuraXTakitsubo (1): beentheredonethat
Lord Tolkien (0): Kurumi
Exo_ (0): Koshi
GlowingBear (0): Artanis[xP]
Skynx (0): Koshi, Hopeless1der, Skynx, Artanis[xP], Tubesock

Not voted (2): HamazuraXTakitsubo, Lord Tolkien

It looks like Vivax is about to be owned.
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.



I am an idiot and had an error in my vote counts this day. This error has been corrected. Sry for the inconvenience. Move along nothing to see here.

Sry
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
October 24 2016 19:07 GMT
#3024
On October 25 2016 04:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
and the fear read -> scum read on HF looks so much like a scum leaving his options open from the get-go and then taking that backdoor that, well, that might be what it is.
saw opportunity to omgus, overreacted to a relatively neutral comment, never revisits the original part at all:
Show nested quote +
HF, looking like town
NOPE GOTTA FITE


That's possible I just think mafiaLuna would have taken the opportunity to reverse his scum on HF and live. Especially if he doesn't have a lot of time to play and/or is having trouble posting.

I do agree with you shouldn't blindly and completely take a dead townies word.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:07 GMT
#3025
seeing as hf would be hard pressed to lynch anybody today :o)
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
October 24 2016 19:09 GMT
#3026
On October 25 2016 04:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 04:04 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote:
I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.

Towns:
beentheredonethat
1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF)
I think that's it.

Scums:
HolyFlare
Koshi
(if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)

I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.

He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.

I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.

I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.

Lunaticman is town.


+ Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] +
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.

#Vote Koshi


+ Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] +
On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote:
The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now.

+ Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] +
On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote:
HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you.

On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.

Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi.

+ Show Spoiler [angst spirit] +
On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.

Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.


Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.

HF is obviously trying to make me look scum.

On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.


I already mentioned he could be mafia, yes.

I'd like you to talk about other people though.


Covering for your scum buddy I see.

+ Show Spoiler [defensive] +
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.

On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.


So omgus?


haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.

+ Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] +
On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:

Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow



Null:

Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)

Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)

Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)

Hamazura (need more)

Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)

ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)

Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)

Tubesock (zzzz?)



HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.

A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.

On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.

You're all talk and no substance.


Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.

I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.

For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.

Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.

The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.

+ Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] +
On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3

On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote:
Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.

so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else?
ok
it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this
changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here.

target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it
it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least.
i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell.


regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too.


I have seen plenty (and done it myself) where town went obstinate and stubborn.

I've seen several mafia pick fights to pick fights and shit the thread. But what happens so often is they find a reason to town the person and get back on their good side. I think Luna had a good opportunity to change his read on HF to make it look like he was town for sticking up and reevaluating. I just don't think mafia would risk having someone like HF lynch you before you can NK him.

but if he's scum he knows they're gonna NK HF?
so he knows he doesnt need to stop?


I think that's a pretty dangerous bet isn't it? Game this large probably has protection, and also themed. Plus there's risk of getting lynched too.

Anyway, that's what I think. I think he's flipping town.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:09 GMT
#3027
the crocodile guy was taken out of all the boatcounts, huh.

this is just getting more annoying by the minute
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
October 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#3028
I would like to second all of dandel's posts pretty much the entire game.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#3029
On October 25 2016 04:09 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2016 04:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 25 2016 04:04 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 03:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote:
I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads.

Towns:
beentheredonethat
1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF)
I think that's it.

Scums:
HolyFlare
Koshi
(if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF)

I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him.

He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that.

I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc.

I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town.

Lunaticman is town.


+ Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] +
On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.

#Vote Koshi


+ Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] +
On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote:
The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now.

+ Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] +
On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote:
HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you.

On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play.

Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi.

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On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 21 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.


Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi.

Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that.


Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around.

HF is obviously trying to make me look scum.

On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 21 2016 03:19 Holyflare wrote:
On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.


I already mentioned he could be mafia, yes.

I'd like you to talk about other people though.


Covering for your scum buddy I see.

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On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.

On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:
On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna

hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah?


I didn't buss anyone.


What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF?


I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why.


So omgus?


haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.

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On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:

Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow



Null:

Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)

Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)

Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)

Hamazura (need more)

Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)

ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)

Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)

Tubesock (zzzz?)



HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.

A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.

On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:
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On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.

You're all talk and no substance.


Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.

I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.

For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.

Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.

The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.

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On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3

On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote:
Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.

so you like that he only has a few reads, hardtunnels on those and doesnt even look at anybody else?
ok
it's almost funny how opposing my opinion is on all of this
changing your mind is largely a town tell, scum are often too shot in on little details and 'gottem' things that give them an excuse to scumread townies. figuring out whether you are right is a town thing to do, and sometimes you may notice you are not. scum rarely bother and only change reads if they feel they HAVE to. well bad scum at least and im guessing thats applicable here.

target selection is a whole different matter entirely personally i (and my scumgame sucks dickballs ask anybody) did exactly that for this very reason before. "why pick a fight with town leader X?" 1) because it actually throws off that person's read 2) because exactly that question 3) because going against thread sentiment is somehow seen as more 'valuable' than following it
it also shits up the thread and can tilt people beyond all rational thought. when i do it at least.
i have no idea if lunatic would do that, and/or for those reasons. dont know the guy. but its very far from a town tell.


regardless of anything, excusing your reads with "a dead townie said so" and nothing else makes me grab the rope. but that might just be me too.


I have seen plenty (and done it myself) where town went obstinate and stubborn.

I've seen several mafia pick fights to pick fights and shit the thread. But what happens so often is they find a reason to town the person and get back on their good side. I think Luna had a good opportunity to change his read on HF to make it look like he was town for sticking up and reevaluating. I just don't think mafia would risk having someone like HF lynch you before you can NK him.

but if he's scum he knows they're gonna NK HF?
so he knows he doesnt need to stop?


I think that's a pretty dangerous bet isn't it? Game this large probably has protection, and also themed. Plus there's risk of getting lynched too.

Anyway, that's what I think. I think he's flipping town.

not very dangerous imo, for a couple of reasons.
but i dont think it would be wise to talk about those reasons in case scum really are all lurkers and idiots and just didnt think about them yet, so i guess i'll leave it at that :O
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#3030
Acro if you were scum and we're vivax today would you do what he did?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
October 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#3031
Except that not liking tea makes me a monster. Tea just really isn't that good.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#3032
im drinking tea right fucking now and its great

you are dismissed footsoldier
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
October 24 2016 19:17 GMT
#3033
On October 25 2016 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Except that not liking tea makes me a monster. Tea just really isn't that good.


tea is mostly gross.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
October 24 2016 19:19 GMT
#3034
On October 25 2016 04:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
im drinking tea right fucking now and its great

you are dismissed footsoldier

Noob. Beer is the only real drink.

/takes another swig.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:21 GMT
#3035
beer is overrated af, almost as bad as coffee

tea is almost water and water is the single greatest thing in the world so ofc tea is a close second
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
October 24 2016 19:23 GMT
#3036
On October 25 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote:
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On October 25 2016 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Except that not liking tea makes me a monster. Tea just really isn't that good.


tea is mostly gross.

Now you're just blatantly buddying me.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 24 2016 19:23 GMT
#3037
Stop it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2016 19:24 GMT
#3038
that is a novel idea, i'll try it
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
October 24 2016 19:24 GMT
#3039
On October 25 2016 04:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
beer is overrated af, almost as bad as coffee

tea is almost water and water is the single greatest thing in the world so ofc tea is a close second

Apple juice>water>ale>tea>coffee=beer
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
October 24 2016 19:25 GMT
#3040
On October 25 2016 04:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On October 25 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote:
On October 25 2016 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Except that not liking tea makes me a monster. Tea just really isn't that good.


tea is mostly gross.

Now you're just blatantly buddying me.


Tea being bad is still a true statement.
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