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Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest.
Maybe not Acro...?
Look at Artanis though.
On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:Lunatic is also rreaaaaaaalllllyyyyyy meh. On one hand he's calling holyflare mafia with no explanation other than opportunism but then we have luna/hf both pushing each other. same time though, lunaticman points out this discrepancy though.... On October 21 2016 05:05 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:57 ritoky wrote:
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Do you have any opinions on HF's read on me? I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will. I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days. I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood. Also I'm off to bed nn. On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
p60 atm HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you. You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons. It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia. and that double standard gives me pause, atm stuck on whether he's trying to skate by or whether he's someone who speaks in simpler sentences (if that makes any sense, basically someone who makes instinct reads...) but will need to revisit him after flips or more content. I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive? Wave is definitely mafia btw. I lost 0 hp. Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic
The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious.
Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though.
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On October 24 2016 13:44 ritoky wrote:
i think the pretty sure they are town pile is like:
bill murray
ptmc
btdt
hamaramadingdong
dandel
which probably no1 agrees with
Btdt has been niggling at me all game.
'Too clean to be town' comes to mind but then again, sheer filter makes him look good and there aren't many players capable of the kind of filters HF or I can produce as scum. I'm not gonna go after him at this point though when there are others that are far worse looking.
BM I think is fine.
ptmc is sorta-pseudo-mod confirmed. If he's scum I'll blame everyone else for this one. I hate mod confirmed stuff most of the time but everyone seems to be real sure of it. Think Acro was the one who originally picked up on it and everyone appeared to agree.
Dandel is highly likely to be town but as the game progresses he often just fucks about and stops doing things. I think he has since shed his usual meta actually but he was too engaging and mostly useful D1 for me to consider him scum, at least not for a while. Plus it was Game Day (MTG) today so I know he wasn't around a lot.
I don't know why anyone things haduafsu taco guy is town. Hell or scum for that matter. He's just been super forgettable. Why is he town for you exactly?
I'ma go read him.
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On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 22 2016 09:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Lunatic is also rreaaaaaaalllllyyyyyy meh.
On one hand he's calling holyflare mafia with no explanation other than opportunism but then we have luna/hf both pushing each other. same time though, lunaticman points out this discrepancy though....
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and that double standard gives me pause, atm stuck on whether he's trying to skate by or whether he's someone who speaks in simpler sentences (if that makes any sense, basically someone who makes instinct reads...) but will need to revisit him after flips or more content.
I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match. So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive? Wave is definitely mafia btw. I lost 0 hp. Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though. artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me. i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia. also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was.
This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't.
What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not)
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Ok so hamazura has done legit fucking nothing.
I think due to weird 'newbie-to-the-site' statements and questions he's more likely to be town but he got just be one of those tricksy little hobbitses who knows to make himself look like that.
Hard to say for sure. I'd say pick him off at night or with KP but again, there are better targets I think.
Overall town really needs to step it up I think or we just lose to ourselves. Of all the people consistently under suspicion:
LT
GB
Hamazura
Exo
SL
Tubesock
Lunatic
and so on and so forth
If you are town,if you do not want to lose, pick up the slack and prove to us you're town.
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On October 24 2016 13:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:50 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 13:44 ritoky wrote:
i think the pretty sure they are town pile is like:
bill murray
ptmc
btdt
hamaramadingdong
dandel
which probably no1 agrees with Btdt has been niggling at me all game. 'Too clean to be town' comes to mind but then again, sheer filter makes him look good and there aren't many players capable of the kind of filters HF or I can produce as scum. I'm not gonna go after him at this point though when there are others that are far worse looking. BM I think is fine. ptmc is sorta-pseudo-mod confirmed. If he's scum I'll blame everyone else for this one. I hate mod confirmed stuff most of the time but everyone seems to be real sure of it. Think Acro was the one who originally picked up on it and everyone appeared to agree. Dandel is highly likely to be town but as the game progresses he often just fucks about and stops doing things. I think he has since shed his usual meta actually but he was too engaging and mostly useful D1 for me to consider him scum, at least not for a while. Plus it was Game Day (MTG) today so I know he wasn't around a lot. I don't know why anyone things haduafsu taco guy is town. Hell or scum for that matter. He's just been super forgettable. Why is he town for you exactly? I'ma go read him. btdt is an activity + arguing with holyflare last night read. he was arguing with hf over a pile of nothing and flipping his read and being all indecisive and weirding me and hf the fuck out during night phase. if you know you're about to kill hf, there's no point to all those stupid gymnastics the only thing they can do is make you look worse in a few moments. hamsterbabymcafk is purely a read on him suggesting a player was a jester. believe me it is a dumb read, but it is a mindset thing. new player + new environment + rolled mafia to me would tend toward a cautious mindset. suggesting someone is a jester like right away doesn't fit that mindset.
See my problem here is btdt is playing scum pretty close to how I'd do it. Talk a shit ton. Get into arguments with HF (and specifically HF. He's great for making a filter look good surprisingly)
And especially if he's fairly new to playing on this site or playing scum (or both), he'd be going about it the exact right way: posting platitudes to the rest of town, high activity, doing a good job and spewing reads and overall making town feel good about him and that he's useful. There's a reason that I'm not caught very often (and certainly wasn't early on in my career). It's hard to justify ever calling him scum based on his play so far.
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On October 24 2016 13:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 22 2016 17:32 Holyflare wrote:On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:
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So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive?
Wave is definitely mafia btw.
I lost 0 hp.
Ok wave might not definitely be mafia but lt/sl are practically confirmed town in my eyes now. I don't believe mafia start laying their kp on wave when they can attack better targets. Oh actually this is a good point. Ugh. Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though. artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me. i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia. also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was. This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't. What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not) damdred has a soul read on me that has pretty significant depth to it. me being more amiable when mafia and antagonistic as town is the most basic level of it, so i called it tier 3 cuz idk random naming.
In which case are you calling yourself scum? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I've seen you slightly more belligerent, and this isn't it.
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On October 24 2016 14:02 iamperfection wrote:
did you read btdt scum game?
It is completely different imo
I hate meta for the most part, but yes that seems relevant (not that I'm going to read it)
In any case just chalk it up to my paranoia. I haven't gone after him since early D1 and I don't plan on it anytime soon.
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On October 24 2016 14:04 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 13:59 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 13:49 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 13:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Pretty sure tubesock isn't scum, but I'm with you (or are you with me?) on the rest. Maybe not Acro...? Look at Artanis though. On October 23 2016 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:On October 23 2016 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit. I absolutely do and think wave's reaction to it here: On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Oh actually this is a good point.
Ugh.
Stop making good points. Is pretty bad because in my/lt/sl's world this only makes sense because we believe wave is mafia In wave's world (if he's town) then it's his scum read lt getting rid of town wave and sl stacking with me too But he said it's a good point which is kinda scummy response because it's only a good point if wave is mafia I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit. I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town. This dude has to be town for this Calling me a town leader rather than shift suspicion on to me when it's clear I could still go either way The only possible scum motivation is pocketing me if he truly believes I'm a 'town leader' but I don't buy that as an effective tactic The 'pocketing' has sort of continued since then so He's dropped a little for me, but overall I don't see anything particularly egregious. Artanis just gives me all over scumfeels though. artanis made the tier 3 damdred read on me pretty accurately which kinda pocketed me. i can understand the feelings about artanis though. i am kinda frustrated by the game-state. i feel like i am down here in the mud grinding, and artanis feels like he is in a plane in the clouds. detached i guess is the best word. but i don't know if that makes him mafia. also he was way more convinced by skynx's responses than i was. This is pretty bad for Artanis I think. He's very discussion oriented but normally he also picks up on little things and is a very intelligent town player. For him to be playing detached and then be convinced by Skynx's responses rather than the way he plays I just don't think looks good on him. But again for Artanis for me it's still mostly a feels read. He doesn't FEEL good. Like I think town Artanis should have had a breakout case by now that causes a stir, and he hasn't. What is the tier 3 damdred read? Whatever it is, you know he's capable of reading you even better if he knows your alignment, right? (assuming you're town and he's not) damdred has a soul read on me that has pretty significant depth to it. me being more amiable when mafia and antagonistic as town is the most basic level of it, so i called it tier 3 cuz idk random naming. In which case are you calling yourself scum? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I've seen you slightly more belligerent, and this isn't it. i am a legend in my own mind and like to think i have no readable meta  but really it's mostly cuz the rules are pretty harsh this game. i almost said pretty bad things.
You know it's funny, I was going to criticize Onegu after the game in regards to how he's attempting to force people to play inorganically (by threatening them so they don't role claim rather than building disincentives to do so into the game itself) but so far apparently the way he's done things has been pretty effective, at least in comparison to the shitstorm of mod activity that was my game back a few years ago.
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On October 24 2016 14:05 ritoky wrote:
also something i remembered was that i liked LT and exo less cuz they suggested letting the mod deal with vivax....don't rely on the mod. you get shit like i have pulled before and which vivax has repeatedly told me "never again" for. he knows better than to try to eod snipe.
I think I excuse LT too much now but that seems pretty consistent with the way he thinks---I feel like he feels like that's the right thing to do. Exo I have no idea.
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On October 24 2016 14:08 ritoky wrote:
WoS you had ??? about acro. why you ??? about acro.
Dunno 'cause I can't read him well and I kinda want someone else to do it.
He's a scummer I'd be afraid of I think.
That said, again, same as nearly everyone here, he hasn't done anything in a while.
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On October 24 2016 14:08 ExO_ wrote:
Wait why is ptmc mod confirmed?
Welcome back to civilization exo.
Pun intended.
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See this is the problem i have with mod confirmation.
What's stopping him from asking in thread as mafia rather than in QT?
I've done this before in case anyone wants to speculate.
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On October 24 2016 14:30 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:29 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually. So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill? Also where is Koshi? kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since. i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game. And you aren't suspicious of Koshi at all? Where has he been since he talked about his ability? i don't read a single thing koshi posts. haven't for like 5 games.
Teach me sensei
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Nothing has really changed about my views on hopeless.
Pretty sure I had him as town but I don't remember why.
It's somewhere in there.
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On October 24 2016 22:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 22:17 ptmc wrote:On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?) Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch. ## vote lunaticman I agree Lunatic is the worst of the bunch. And this also beyond doubt proofs I am 100% confirmed town. ##unvote
## vote lunaticman
IF people make sure the wagons aren't too close together I am OK with this
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On October 24 2016 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 22:50 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 22:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bleh Acro's filter has a shitton of original thought so prob not. Maybe Wave? Hmm. I think Acro/iamp/DI/WoS are fine atm. ritoky/sicklucker are more likely active mafia. Could be that my ritoky townread is off-point. He's a sly bugger but I think it's still likely accurate. SL I mostly townread for having similar thoughts but that's pretty meh. Wish Rso was in the game so I could tell if he's scum or not from whether he reads her posts. Problem is neither of those fit the feeling I'm getting. I guess it could be something like SL/Tubesock and other mid-range posters creating that feeling? Still going through Wave's filter but not really noticing anything that makes me scream scum. He comes off as very nonchalant but it doesn't come off scripted. Blehhhhhhh
Scripted?
Bitch plz.
My scumgame is off-the-cuff and nothing but pure gold.
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On October 24 2016 23:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 24 2016 22:19 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 22:17 ptmc wrote:On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?) Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch. ## vote lunaticman I agree Lunatic is the worst of the bunch. And this also beyond doubt proofs I am 100% confirmed town. ##unvote
## vote lunaticman IF people make sure the wagons aren't too close together I am OK with this Also, no mafia is going to show face for Lunatic.
Fair, but stupider things have happened.
Koshi you know you could have made this way less complicated somehow. I won't know how that was until I see what your role is, but srsly.
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On October 25 2016 00:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Searched for HF as nickname and for "100%". Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 17:29 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh you're 100% mafia then. The first post I was annoyed and then saw no reactions and made it into a plan. Quite evident by my posts and my vote on damdred but you're not even looking into that.
On Rayn. He was town. Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 08:24 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 08:23 Alakaslam wrote:
So nobody stays awake for a New Years party? Then why even pause game for new yeArs? I just woke up like sra You're 100% mafia slam stop the faking. There were multiple warnings this was happening. Of all the things to be angry about this sure isn't one of them. On Slam. He was town. Show nested quote +On January 02 2016 01:29 Holyflare wrote:On January 02 2016 01:20 ExO_ wrote:
6.5 hours to go, man this day feels like it's taking forever How does his flip time matter? You know he's flipping mafia 100% so you can easily just play the game based off of that information. On TT. He was town. And that were just the last 3 I found.
This makes me laugh because it's so true
I wanted to post something similar
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Haha
ITT: people who come in with like 5h left on the day, chastise other people and vote some random
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Alright koshis ability makes sense now.
I won't be around at deadline so I'm staying on vivax. People need to organize themselves onto lunatic. For the record, this is not a lynch and could have absolutely been done in secret so I'm not sure why you think this is a town power koshi. You could in theory toss it on a towny (as scum) who's getting a lot of votes and nobody would know.
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