[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3

On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote:


"Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning.

Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player.

You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then?

So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you?

On September 09 2016 11:00 Holyflare wrote:
You shouldn't expect a follow up from Tumblewood that guy is 100% free madia lynch bait.

On September 09 2016 10:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:


It's kind of the point of the game.

If you have reads but can't express them, no one's going to follow them, and you're as useless as town-Palmar.

Explain them.

The worst post of this game and I've only read like 8 posts.

On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote:

While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD

On September 09 2016 12:40 Grackaroni wrote:
No but seriously. Since when is saying "I like this post" forced. What are you smoking HF?

On September 10 2016 00:29 Skynx wrote:

So fuba does exactly what I did few hours ago, just popping in and out saying he'll be back but he fires shots at me for going to sleep and no one pushes him hmmm.

And Tumble tr's him for the post above lul

On September 10 2016 00:03 Calix wrote:
NU vs Skynx is getting dumb. All I'm seeing is NU conflating contribution with alignment and Skynx getting annoyed.

NU, maybe back off and see what Skynx does when they finish catching up/ are not playing Overwatch or what the fuck ever and then resume this.

On September 10 2016 00:58 Superbia wrote:


Cool talk about mafia pls.

On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:


This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read.

How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence?

There are two methods to find the scum:
1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE.
2. Find the scumminess in players' posts.

We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI.

How about...
... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz.

On September 10 2016 06:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Saying smart things is NAI.

You see no reason to town-read him, so you slight town-read him? lmao.

On September 10 2016 07:15 Damdred wrote:
Tbh I kinda just want to lynch into tt, grac and palmar today.

On September 10 2016 08:38 Grackaroni wrote:

please explain the motivation.

On September 10 2016 09:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh my god it's scumflare.

This is amazing

On September 11 2016 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
I presented infallible logic as to why he is mafia that you have failed to look at.

He's definitely mafia.

On September 11 2016 00:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:
stfu scum, no one cares what you think.

On September 11 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:


I have made super strong pushes just the same as this in many other games. Vivax has also SAID THAT ALREADY IN THIS GAME.

Now, you admit it's a contradiction but yoh have failed to comment on my posts saying why it makes him mafia.

If you are keen on continuing this push then fucking wreck my logic and show people how I'm mafia instead of these useless pushes that aren't convincing anyone.

On September 11 2016 03:21 Skynx wrote:
Also can someone gimme a quick recap of fuba vs NU i almost completely ignored that.

On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:


Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said "oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense.

Not voting (5): Skynx, Palmar, Vivax, Shapelog, Tictock

On September 11 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:


You have no logic.

"I have no reason to town-read Superbia, so I'll lean-town-read him."

On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:


I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move.

Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf

On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
No it's actually not at all. A certain scum read on someone at the start of the game generates a million times more discussion than crap discussions about mechanics, it also helps me make reads on people such as Grack being mafia now and it let's me see who is keen on just skating by and ignoring it.

It's a very strong opening.

But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because:

On September 10 2016 10:05 Holyflare wrote:
This mindset is like someone coming in to the game and saying the following:

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for being so certain, trying to say I said things a different way, bla, bla bla."

or

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for <insert reasons that COULD have already been talked about before>"

On September 10 2016 10:15 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically if you call a thing boring you don't normally want to be talking about it.

If you call a thing boring and that you haven't read it you're not going to be posting about it since people could have already made the exact same point and you're wasting your time.

If you call a thing boring and you haven't read it then you aren't going to make your only content filled post on the game about it either.

On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.

Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too.

On September 10 2016 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
are you actually being fucking serious?

he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:

a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset

b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.

SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.

Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.


Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be.

On September 11 2016 04:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:


This guy needs to go. Seriously

HOW OPPORTUNISTIC IS THIS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN "AFK" THROUGH THE WHOLE DAY?

On September 11 2016 04:21 Calix wrote:
Can we actually decide on like, a decent target for EOD please? TT's train is terrible and if Palmar votes for him, that makes 3/4 sheep voters.

If anyone town-reads Damdred or HF, then please speak up now.

Everyone is just doing their own fucking thing at the moment.

On September 11 2016 04:22 Palmar wrote:
sheeping is good

I think HF is town based on a) sounding like a raging hammer of justice at some point and b) effort.

Damdred is whatever. I always think he's mafia but he actually looks like mafia here. But then again, I always think he's mafia.

I don't wanna lynch damdred mostly because I know he's good and can be useful at some point. I need him to impress me a bit more though.

On September 11 2016 04:24 Skynx wrote:
It's not even a case, you are just spamming the thread and somehow it convinced people that you have an actual case on TT.

On September 11 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote:


Tt is a good town player

On September 11 2016 04:44 Holyflare wrote:


He tried to copy trfel's town opening from last game and it looked really stiff and bad.

His reads at the start of the game looked nothing like he opened last game and were just lines saying i like this post.

He made a post with criticism of people being boring talking about mechanics and that he hasn't read it and posted about mechanics. I think this is a contradiction to his mindset and also he wouldn't post it because someone else could have posted the same thing.

It looks like he knows what people have posted and made sure it was a hipster comment.

He then went to dinner and died irl.

On September 11 2016 04:47 Holyflare wrote:


Like that time you were so sure of lynching mafia hf in onegu 2 ok.

On September 11 2016 04:50 Holyflare wrote:


What are you talking about? Trfel opened the exact same way last game. Vivax pointed that out this game and he had a response about it.

The second point is entirely what he has said.

The third and fourth are logical assumptions. Why would you waste time talking about boring things and why would you post something someone could have already posted? You don't.

On September 11 2016 04:51 Holyflare wrote:


That's the fucking point you moron, I was town.

Jesus christ.

On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote:


His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier.

HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category.

The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred.

On September 11 2016 05:00 Palmar wrote:

this is a terrible post.

not sure if it's mafia or town, but it's terrible.

On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:

It's not about that.

Tictock is objectively scummy.

He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim.

He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing.

Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target.

On September 11 2016 05:16 Holyflare wrote:


What the fuck?

On September 11 2016 05:18 Superbia wrote:
Vivax still being a shitter. Not sure if mafia or town tbh. I know he's a pretty decent town from a singular game of voice secret hitler in which rayn was mafia.

On September 11 2016 05:19 Superbia wrote:


Pls explain your mafia circle given the current circumstance.

On September 11 2016 05:21 Holyflare wrote:


Ticktock post from last game. Any of that here?

On September 11 2016 05:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
6 votes on TT. This is awful. zzz

@Skynx and TW -- PLing someone in this particular set up is bad. You're giving an AFK a PR essentially.

Damdred is the best lynch for today from all perspectives.

On September 11 2016 05:28 Superbia wrote:
Can we all agree with me that we should lynch Calix if TT flips town even though I'm giving absolutely no reasons?

On September 11 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:


I would most likely shoot Calix over tt.

On September 11 2016 05:37 Superbia wrote:
If TT is town I'm going to just afk vote Calix and TW. He's like 98% marv mafia at this point though.

Little bit of pressure -> afk entire game.

On September 11 2016 05:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:


The middle two are wrong as Damdred isn't scum.

How do you explain suggesting that HF would flip town?

On September 11 2016 05:42 Superbia wrote:
If TT is town we just get 2 mafia lynches by lynching TW and calix.

On September 11 2016 05:43 Calix wrote:
True. I am curious as to why nobody is voting TW after that though.

On September 11 2016 05:53 Superbia wrote:


TW? Idk maybe it's only Calix. TW's mafia read on TT feels to half-assed.

On September 11 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote:
are non-voters instamodkilled?

if so switch to tumble

On September 11 2016 06:07 Superbia wrote:
Oh well. At least now we have Calix and TW to lynch.

On September 11 2016 06:08 Superbia wrote:
Can mafia pls nightkill me? I'm like 95% right but I really hate having to convince people or make 'cases'.

On September 11 2016 06:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:
UPDATE -- SINCE I THINK THAT CALIX IS TOWN, I WILL MAKE A LAST WILL IN WHICH I WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ONLY SHE CAN KNOW. SHE WILL CONFIRM THAT MY LW IS IN FACT MINE (if she is town).

@scott1337 -- Do not shoot N1. Your shot is most likely going to be neutered by the Death Whisperer.

On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote:


Good question. I don't have a fucking clue.

Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them.

Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1.

On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote:


What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME?

I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS:

1. He is town.

2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate.

Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it.

I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him?

On September 11 2016 05:17 Calix wrote:
I mean I can see the "scum bussing their more useless ally" as a thing but the only person who is trying to take the credit for the TT lynch is HF and if you think HF is bussing then voting HF makes more sense than voting TT by proxy.

(I know you are voting HF, I am just talking generally)

On September 11 2016 05:24 Calix wrote:


"If I'm mafia" - Stopped reading because self-meta on your scum game is useless when you are obviously aware of it and can change how you act accordingly.

And since I'm the person who is hardcore defending TT, that parenthesis part could be a subtle pocketing attempt from you.

I don't think I can do anything about TT's train. Nobody seems to find anything I say worth listening to.

On September 12 2016 05:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Welcome back.

I'm back to scum-reading you.

Yeah, saying TW is reasonable is like saying Mother Teresa was a child molester.

On September 12 2016 06:18 Tumblewood wrote:

is this a joke
I am literally getting lynched for being too right

On September 12 2016 06:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Maybe you weren't. Who was then? I know for a fact that Superbia and HF said that Calix not hopping on the ML train made her scummy.

What's your guys' opinion on the kill?

On September 12 2016 06:22 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Again, you lack reason. That's not how it works.

Mother Teresa kidnapped children.

On September 12 2016 06:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:


What?
What?
What?
What?
What?

WHAT THE FUCK?!

On September 12 2016 06:26 NeverUnlucky wrote:


You remind me why some mothers drown their children.

Why do you think that Mafia chose Calix specifically is what I am asking.

On September 12 2016 06:31 Vivax wrote:


This might be the bestest opinion on the matter. Or maybe it's only your opinion cause you're one of her scumreads. Never done NK analysis in any game of mafia?

On September 12 2016 06:39 Holyflare wrote:
why the fuck do I care?

maybe tw thought she was towniest
maybe mafia thought she was a medic dodge
maybe mafia thought she implicated someone
maybe mafia just wanted to kill a towny



no?

On September 12 2016 06:48 Skynx wrote:
Damdred/HF/Palmar what a scumteam it'd be.

On September 12 2016 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
i just thought they get turned into healers since there wasn't 2 kills and i saw someone else mention it

is nobody asking why there's only one kill?

On September 12 2016 06:52 Skynx wrote:

Never leave me TW plz, who we kill today?

On September 12 2016 08:27 Palmar wrote:
I eagerly await more tumblewood in the thread tomorrow. Make him squirm.

On September 12 2016 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
Well i have that problem where work banned me from mafia sooo afk till 7pm, mafia have fun pushing me.

On September 12 2016 08:49 Holyflare wrote:


Nice slip #9

On September 12 2016 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
And nobody is any wiser

On September 12 2016 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
0/10 quite possibly most forced post I've ever seen.

Grack's case is even based on incorrect meta and no real good game info.

On September 12 2016 09:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:

What is /m11?

On September 12 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Holy shit, TW, that was worse than Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign. Fucking bad.

On September 12 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You even gave up making the case halfway through, that's how shitty it is.

On September 12 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
You should be more concerned about finding mafia that isn't me because so far all you've done is give a shit tonne of easy town reads and given up on your obvious hf is mafia read.

On September 12 2016 09:25 Holyflare wrote:
How about some posts from this game that makes someone mafia?

On September 12 2016 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
And I've given very very extremely good reasons for tw to be mafia. I'm the one who even called him lynch bait and defended him from being shitty scum read.

Sometimes lynch bait is mafia.

On September 12 2016 09:34 Tumblewood wrote:

wait what are the reasons again

On September 12 2016 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
Remember that time in my town game where i attacked lynch bait and called out sl for not pushing me attacking lynch bait?

Good times.

I have no idea why you don't even read your scum reads posts (i do because you're mafia) but you can read the past 4 pages of my filter where I've spammed 100 things about you.

On September 12 2016 19:49 Palmar wrote:


This is terrible and I'll break down why:



Actually you can. In most cases it's a single post or two where mafia fucks up that allows you to make a case. No mafia is bad enough to give himself away every single post he makes. This is why I generally ignore humongous cases that quote almost every post by someone and try to paint them scummy. It's very easy to make an accurate read on someone on even a single post (see me vs marv in some game and me vs tnkted in some other game, cba referencing).



TT did things that are objectively scummy, I don't care what you think about meta or history. I generally don't use meta all that much. Here's my own interpretation of TT's filter.



Notice that none of this is "meta" or takes into account how he acts as a player. I just don't care about meta. Sometimes I'm wrong because of it (I once lynched kush in lylo for refusing to post coherently and putting in effort), but most of the times it's very effective.



If you are town you should. If you are correct, you wouldn't have a reason to doubt your read, and if you are wrong you might realize why. But I guess that would require pretending to put in effort.

---

I'm not even 100% sure you're mafia TW, but you are objectively the best lynch. You've made a bunch of terrible posts, you're not pushing the game forward, there's even dumb reasons to think you're scum (no one wanted to switch with me on d1)

This is almost written as sort of an offer to let you redeem yourself. If you are town, you need to put in time and effort. Go write analysis or thoughts on every player in the game. Pro-Tip: if you're mafia make sure you're careful when you write about your buddies

On September 12 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:


Fine, get lynched then. I don't care if your meta is always being useless, that's scum favored meta and you should be lynched for it. Who knows when you're useless AND scum. Maybe it's this time! Hell, it's probably this time.

On September 12 2016 23:22 Superbia wrote:
Does anyone have an actual opinion on fuba btw?

On September 12 2016 23:24 Tumblewood wrote:

meta is always being useless? reminds me of someone...

On September 12 2016 23:25 Palmar wrote:

why

On September 12 2016 23:29 Superbia wrote:
TW who is actually scum? Like who's the three scum?

On September 13 2016 23:00 Palmar wrote:
We definitely should get a few more votes on Damdred

On September 14 2016 01:00 Damdred wrote:
Still have one but expecting to get lynched and I'll shoot,between vivax, sky and tw

All his posts come at awkward times

c) your sass has been almost over the top. You aren't queen enough to act like you're me

100% scumteam of people who claim to be "waiting on Palmar doing stuff"

On September 14 2016 01:29 Palmar wrote:

do you know the difference between you and me?

I sometimes catch scum.

do you know why?

Because my reasons are good. always.

On September 14 2016 04:05 Grackaroni wrote:

Yeah I'd be down with that.

On September 14 2016 04:42 Superbia wrote:
Shape's filter is pretty townie. =/

On September 14 2016 05:15 Superbia wrote:


Why?

On September 14 2016 05:17 Superbia wrote:


Uwot? What about the benevolent ghosts vote?

On September 14 2016 05:37 Superbia wrote:
I'm like 95% sure Vivax is mafia.

On September 14 2016 05:39 Superbia wrote:


Why?

And why are you lurking?

On September 14 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
I feel like I may be picking between town and mafia but it just feels so meh.

On September 14 2016 05:56 Skynx wrote:
Fuck me:

Shape/Super/Palmar

Damdy is town fuck fuck fuck

On September 14 2016 06:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:
FUba and Grack are also people I can see being SHape's scum mates.

On September 14 2016 19:38 Palmar wrote:

who knows maybe you'll be dead tomorrow?

On September 15 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
wow you're so easily convinced by the guy that has no opinion on the mafia team that has two people left, why couldn't nu decide a kill?

On September 15 2016 10:01 Grackaroni wrote:
lol nope I just had a total epiphany between the minute I posted that and right now. Holyflare killed Skynx because in his mind he's going to look strange in LYLO for not dying even though nobody else is thinking that.

It makes way more sense than that same reasoning being applied to Vivax because I don't think Vivax would ever think that.

On September 15 2016 12:53 Grackaroni wrote:
Let me ask you this, do you have any reason not to kill Palmar right now?

On September 15 2016 19:38 Palmar wrote:
like I understand I need to reevaluate some parts of my reads at some point (maybe tw is town? Maybe hf is mafia?) but I feel like after 1 bad lynch and 1 good lynch we're ahead anyway so I just want to kill the scummiest player in the thread.

On September 16 2016 00:36 Superbia wrote:


I don't really read your posts that much tbh. As such, you're kinda calling yourself shit or mafia.

On September 16 2016 00:40 Tumblewood wrote:

not at all

On September 16 2016 06:25 Holyflare wrote:
what play he just copied and pasted his post and fucked off again

On September 16 2016 19:44 Palmar wrote:
1.



2.



3.



4.



Damdred had no interest in lynching shape at any point. He liked to keep him in that grey shit area where mafia likes to keep their buddies.

Damdred is never town this game. If he is I'm terrible. I am 100% sure of this read, this is our lynch.

On September 16 2016 01:10 Palmar wrote:
I should do some analysis on vote timings.

and just literally vote whoever is the most conservative with their vote.

On September 16 2016 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Carrier has arrived

On September 17 2016 06:22 Palmar wrote:
Stop being bad Tumblewood

On September 17 2016 07:10 Superbia wrote:
So we're probably 100% killing Vivax tomorrow.

On September 17 2016 07:37 Grackaroni wrote:

It's like totally this guy.

On September 17 2016 07:41 Superbia wrote:


Tumble how did you get so fucking sure on everything? Like I don't think you're mafia but wtf happened.

On September 17 2016 07:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:


I haven't played good. I stopped trying half-way into D2. That's bad.

ALSO -- Notice how Grack has been pushing HF D1 when HF was pushing TT (White-knight), was the lone vote on Super D2, he got HF MLed, and now he instantly turns on me?

On September 17 2016 07:48 Superbia wrote:
Tonight they 100% use the Death Whisperer btw.

On September 17 2016 07:48 Superbia wrote:
Well, 98%.

On September 18 2016 06:52 Palmar wrote:
the dw is dead isn't he?

Post #1 player 2. green check, def town, didn't vote to save too

On September 18 2016 07:18 Grackaroni wrote:

Opinion