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On September 07 2016 02:16 Tictock wrote: Oh what the hell. /in It should anyways. If not, I can just multitask more when I am in the lab. + Show Spoiler + It honestly sucks to not have my 10pm-2am work time. I am so used to it, and its gone. Like, that was my time to just lay back, work on ongping projects, and just finish up anything I need. Now I just sleep all the time. And I do that anyways during the day at times, so its boring. Like 1/10 it sucks boring. | ||
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Is my name Henry? If there's anything else that people want to ask/ remind us of then they're welcome to go ahead. Hello Cal and NU, Welcome to the scene. What are you currently in school for? What would you say is your strongest part of your scum and town play style? What do you struggle with? Do you think you have what it takes to out-joke me? I ensure you, that 57% of your answers will be considered. | ||
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Why do your guys name sound familiar? OH SHIT! I FORGOT ABOUT THAT GAME AFTER MY CP DIED! .... Um... + Show Spoiler + Mick Foley Save ME! So...How... How did that Game turn out? | ||
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On September 07 2016 08:05 NeverUnlucky wrote: 0In short, After day 1, I went to slay RLVG, and a lookout caught me doing so. I was then lynched the following day. That left you, the traitor, and an empty slot (Was replaced twice) as the last scum members. Firebringer who was replacing our teammate was sent to kill Kovath; the lookout once again spotted him in action. Seeing as you were inactive and that it was 9v2 (including you), scum decided to concede. It was a bad game all around: The setup was bad, 5 of the 15 slots were empty, and scum played like Eggy. Don't bother reading what you've missed, not worth it. Eh, idk why PRs were in that game. Towqn could already get at most 4 confirm townies off a scum lynch. Also i can vonch for them being active Before playing here, some players must go through the procedure of answering a few questions designed to establish their general ability to answer questions and assess their abilities. Shapelog amusingly tried to mimic this procedure in an attempt to take a jib at me (and most likely at you). Rels does the security checks for newcomers. Most of these questions are designed to perfection the game of mafia. I will consult with kitaman afterwards who is the head of the database department and is developing an automated behaviour processing system with the help of Palmar who is the assistant who codes words per post algorithms and similar minor things. Let's start: 1. There are two guardians, one by each door. One guardian always tells the truth, and the other guardian always lies. What one question can you ask a guardian to find out which door leads to heaven? 2. If you would be an animal, what would you be? 3. If I posted this post in game, what would you think my alignment was? 4. What's the size of your ego expressed in football fields? You may choose to express it in bathtubs if you so wish. 5. Think about the colour red for 10 seconds. Then name a tool. First, You stoled it from me. Second, these questions are about as useless as Ness questions in outlaw. On September 07 2016 19:12 Palmar wrote: why are we interrogating the newbies? Cuz we can. Also no. There is no way to muti-quote things on TL (since the site wasn't made for mafia) You will have to Ctrl:C and v each quote into 1. We make it up for our filter system though. | ||
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Stop trying to bring Townie back. The modern players don't know how to act. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote: I have the sickest idea instead. The moment Palmar posts, we call him mafia and vote for him. Well, I never saw a Town Palmar when I played with him. So I am down. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:23 Skynx wrote: Would plynch Koshi D1 100% I think pissing him off would be better. Funnier too. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote: It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following: - Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears. - There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. - We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch) Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Town doesn't have blue roles this game. Blue roles are spirts. That is why I asked if dead person could related the spirts qt. Personally, if your about to get lynch, state who you think is top scum and why. Do so before night. That way we know who your top scum are, and you don't have to waste stating it. Then, tell us what the QT thinks, since they are confirmed town (or mafia). Also helps out, because even if the message gets changed, we will at least know the flip person's top scum. 2nd point: Yeah, that too. | ||
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This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch) PL's here basically refer to Meta, inactivity, Behavior, or just the basics of scum hunting (I.E. Obv scum) I am guessing when you said NU cannot be a PL, you meant activity right? | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm not sure how games are started here, so I will do some setup speculation. The "Death Whisperer" is a heavy counter to TPRs. + Show Spoiler + Death Whisperer Win condition: Win anytime living mafia members equals or outnumbers living town members. Ghost curse: Once per game at night, you can target one player. If that person is protected by the benevolent ghosts' protection, he will die. If that person is targeted by the spirit's KP, he will protected from it. Death tracker: Spectral (can be used even if dead). If you successfully killed someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Benevolent Ghost QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it. If you successfully protected someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Vengeful Spirit QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it.] Using a TPR ability unwisely can backfire terribly if countered by the DW. Do you think TPRs should act every night? If we ML today, the Vengeful spirit should not use his vigilante shot today as the DW will 100% target one of the three mafias. He has no reason to target townies as the Benevolent Ghost won't exist by then. Therefore, using the sole vigilante bullet N1 has the most chance of it going to waste. It is preferable to do an alignment check on any player and keep the shot for the following nights where the DW won't necessarily target a mafia. Eh, I mean Death Whisperer is a counter to TPRs. It is basically their blue snipe I guess (Death -> suspected target for heal -> dead person) No matter what about blue roles, we shouldn't really try to direct the spirts actions to much. Since mafia is in the thread rofl. I think we can expect the spirts to play smart, and prevent us from giving mafia TMI in regards to what a Veg/Ben spirt will do (since Death exist) | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote: Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end. Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Bro, you haven't responded to me up in the mafia QT. But you give the townies your posts? Shame. *shames* Eh, being serious, the last line bothers me. As TT is semi-setting himself up to not post much this game. On September 09 2016 06:50 Grackaroni wrote: Yay Shapelog is here. Hi Shapelog. Hi Grack Whats up? On September 09 2016 06:51 Skynx wrote: New players: "Hmm I'm nervous about my entry post so lemme post some comments on game mechanics to be safe" Nothing like how I was in my first game. I think like my 2nd post was tinfoil city. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote: Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. So you read is really on: To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. Scum-reading Calix. So....Your scum reading her, based off of (meta) pro-noun usage. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/brilliant_david_tennant.gif) On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote: Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed. Sson. On September 09 2016 07:01 Calix wrote: I don't follow. Why would the opening posts be AI/ indicative of town as you suggest here? I just saw them as weird meta references and trolling so I'd like to know where you found potential townie motivation. Its not. I am not calling vivax town lol. That post is basically NAI about vivax (as of now). I thought he came in and only posted sus. towards players, but his two earlier posts weren't that. Later, if he does, those two posts won't matter if all he is doing is shading people only (or roughly only) only reason I posted it was to spark some more discussion lol. | ||
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I just suggested a way in which Sheriffs could communicate their results to the town by saying "they can get around the no-names rule by using post numbers" which is literally giving a suggestion as to how we communicate with the dead. This doesn't work due to the mafia change LW mech. I mean, (and this is for everyone), tell me if this LW is altered. "Look at the posts between X-Y (or player list number), the suspect with a Check is hiding there." | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Incorrect. It's based off her fluff, her LW setup spec that didn't advantage town, and her misreading the setup. The town roles are so straightforward, no town would think that there are PRs D1. But you said the bold was NAI? Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. I can kinda understand the rest. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:28 Damdred wrote: Shapey I think never is interesting, I kind of like to think a new person to the site would be more timid rolling scum but he's so aggro and wanting to talk. While the argument isn't amazing against ca I think it does sort of make me lean town on never. What do you think? Well he knows Calix. He and Cal played on the same site that I met them on. Aka, NU has meta on Calix. Also, like NU has said, they aren't new people at all. They also knew roughly what TL was like, due to me talking about it in the game we were in. If it was someone on this site, I would perhaps feel maybe it would be slightly townie. As he doesn't have anything to compare to right now in this case. + Show Spoiler + From personal experience of rolling mafia offsite, I never felt like i was more timid. I felt like i played horrible (bad fake scum hunting), I didn't feel like I couldn't post. Eh, thinking further, The only thing I could support a town lean on him is his endurance on calling Cal scum rn. And that's not much. Maybe also adding his own points, but those two out of three he stated to be NAI. Also, are you drunk? You seem Drunk. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:21 Damdred wrote: Hi, Who wants to be my friend? I will nee protecting this game from scum as I find myself deactivated already. Maybe vivax will be my defender And your are our champion. What makes you think he was throwing shade on other players (as opposed to say, trying to start discussion or scum-hunt)? I have my own thoughts below but would like your taken on this. While I feel like he was misrepresenting what I said (with saying that I was 'suggesting we should No Lynch' when that's not possible and 'you haven't given any ideas on how to communicate with the dead') I can see someone trying to be provocative to get a reaction or move the conversation in a more productive direction so I'm not confident in my read of him. I'm also biased by default so I'm not sure wherever my scum lean on him is due to the "he's pushing me so he must be trying to mislynch me" bias or because he legitimately strawed my points. Leaning towards the latter given the examples above though. It is just the way his posts come off to me originally. On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote: Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. On September 09 2016 06:50 Vivax wrote: Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game? Looking back at the bold, I kinda see differently in the first (sense i feel mafia Vixax might of just not give you a break to make the point more against you.) But basically, it boils to how vivax phased it (and I associated it with how scum would phase something) Especially the second one. I made a remark about it too, but the way Vivax made it sound it to me was like he thought TT was mafia for trying to act like Trofl's opening, since it got him (trofl) Town reads. If all his posts so far was like that, I would be sus. But it wasn't the case, so I posted it and colluded NAI, so I could still debate it with people (aka get others views) like how you and me are. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:30 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. But.... Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, You state the set up of this game. The fact she didn't read it. And concluded NAI. | ||
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You secretly have a fetish for demanding women who uses the word "fixation". I still think TPRs should use their actions every night. Agreed that Vig shouldn't shoot N1 - it's a mid-game thing given that Vig cannot shoot if the game hits five players. Pretty sure someone already said that TPR-directing = bad so won't harp on about that. You get a Sheriff-Vig when someone is lynched, yes? They can use their LW to say "I checked X". On N2, the next person to get lynched can say "X is inno/ guilty" (in retrospect, telling people who the Sheriff checked N1 is kind of dumb but that's what I was saying at the time, not implying that town had TPRs before N1) Vig cannot shoot n1. Vig is person(s) who are NK. They can check too. One who is lynched are doctors. Already talked about how hard it is to tell difference in altered LW. [quote]I will say that I do not like your slot. You've been sitting back, trying to read solely me and Calix, the new players, the low hanging fruits. You haven't tried to scum-hunt yet either, prefering to ask players some non-confrontational questions instead. Lean-scum.[/quote He should read me. Period. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:48 NeverUnlucky wrote: You do, but they cannot interact with the town anymore. They share a QT, yo. Their LW will be ones they had as Vanilla Townies. Sorry for pissing you off :3 No their LW would go out at the end of the cycle their flipped in. So, if I got NK, my LW would come out at the end of the D2 lynch. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:51 Damdred wrote: I'm not understanding one of the reasons you scum read me. If I am trying to slow roll you and calix why do I town read both of you? That leaves me,with hideous and horrid options this early in the game. And why should I scum,hunt atm I have a nice town circle starting in my mind I'll,just lynch outside it today. @Shape hts would,be proud of me. But on a serious nite shape, I like my read as a formative step. Both of them have an f u attitude and a don't back down attitude, that we mainly see come from an t v t perspective this early, Atm I think vivax, cal and never are town. And I want to like you shape so say something I love you long time for Eh I suck at reading fights. I might be harping on the meta their share, but that gives me such a negative taste to saying Never is town for the attitude. Cal eh, maybe. Since it comes from self defense. But content will eventually tell me if their town or not. Besides, half the thread haven't even posted yet. I will say "fuck you, you horrible, drunk, misrepresentation, of top tier TL mafia play." and that I really don't care if you TR me or not rn. You know what makes me town, and what makes me scum. I am not going to intentionally try to falter you. I am going to make you work at giving me a read, or lynch you for not doing anything. Simple shit. Can you explain your town read on Vivax? | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:59 Damdred wrote: Vivax is obviously town for today and I wouldn't lynch him until d2-3 even if he wasn't doing God's work today. Though his posts have been pretty nice even if I disagree at points. And I am sort of scum hunting you just don't like the how which isn't of consequence nor a reason to scum read me. What about the posts are nice? And shape is one of more interesting scum players on site, so I'll always hold out on him. | ||
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Wheels on the bus go round and round, all through the town.... On September 09 2016 08:06 Damdred wrote: @Shape I'll answer seriously on vivax Hrs inquisitive, he's confrontational and he is invested so far in hoe the game is being playrd. His tone fits into his town net a and him actually posting actually is a great sign. Do I totally agree with him? Not really, but the angles he's coming at looks town and I like his posts. So it's enough for a lean today. Oh ninjaed. See, I want to say active vivax is good vivax. But Koshi.....Holy shit Koshi is fucking scary. Breaking meta is real. Eh, you might have a point about the confrontational part. I disagree about the tone at spots. I prob. look back his posts. | ||
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Shape is shape. And shape is one of more interesting scum players on site, so I'll always hold out on him. Am I really that fucking hard to read? For Jesus Christ. | ||
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TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already. I wouldn't mind pressure voting them. Skynx can be in this pool too rn. | ||
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On September 09 2016 08:22 NeverUnlucky wrote: Calling a vote a "pressure vote" nullifies the intent. Also, do you think TickTock's post was him trolling about rolling mafia or him rolling mafia and WIFOMing to be trolling about rolling mafia? Calling a waitress at Hooters "strippers" nullifies the resultant theme. I already talked about TT's post (aka I stated I didn't really like how he set himself up to be afk already). In regards to Mafia WIFOM, I couldn't tell you. I rolled 2 games with scum TT, and they were months/last year. I really didn't pay any attention to how much he WIFOMs people. I am waiting till he comes back and posts (if he does) and go from there. | ||
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On September 09 2016 08:00 NeverUnlucky wrote: Early reads list: TOWN Vivax NU LEAN TOWN Shapelog NULL Everyone who hasn't posted+those who trolled and left LEAN SCUM Damdred Calix Lol. Vivax is more of a town read then himself. | ||
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So far: Damdred hasn't done enough really to warrant anything higher then null. Kinda weak rn. NU included Damdred into scumville. Made my opionon on their fight (NU and Cal) clear. Prob. reread it tomorrow. Vivax also in there in terms of reenvu. Though I have read some of his posts again, and see my earier grievance becoming less and less. Experienced players cannot give reads on me: + Show Spoiler + Maybe because of what I did to damdred in storm/all last mafia games. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71595329.jpg) And thats it | ||
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On September 09 2016 09:14 Damdred wrote: Honestly I'm good at reading you shape and I like hedging on you because you are better mafia player than you let on. Anyway be back later Aka, Wait till day 2 to see how I play. Personally, this is my view on it, As scum, I am good at the more panning part of it. Voting maltupation, long term plans, WIFOM plays, who I need to push, blue sniping. All these things I am decent or good at I will admit. I understand how a mafia team needs to work, and how to "hide" my agenda as scum. But my execution is horrible IMO. I have a hard time fake scum hunting as scum, which leads to me TR everyone. I lack anything strong in it. That is why I have to plan ahead, to try to look townie by WIFOM. I think Rsoultin said it best, when she said I wasn't good. I am crazy, On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote: there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful. Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment Very, Very, Very, wrong logic. Right result. It honestly is a pile of BS. Lets walk through it.. there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: The underline is just so awful with the fact that he knows me, and how I am generally. I have claim scum as scum, claim scum as town. Took 2 blues (confirmed) to lylo. and....Talked Set up before as scum. Not only that, but i can fake involvement as scum to a degree. And I know I have debated set up before as well in thread as well as scum. Not only that still, but I never have care as scum if I get Scumread for posting something. yes, I try to get town cred, but I post without thinking as both alignment. TLDR: Tumble should know better then this. Rest of the post is eh. On September 09 2016 09:31 Tumblewood wrote: on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum This is bad logic. see, the argument looks like wifom, because it is, but scum!shape is better at looking town than town!shape and is unlikely to do setup spec imo re: NU, I implied that NU did not feel genuine. sorry if that was unclear. and the genuineness was what differed, more or less. and ya Damdred interests me because of how he wants to form a town circle (and also his posting style - more on that eventually) already but I have not yet determined what this means about his alignment. Town!Shape actually can look good now as town. Better then Scum!Shape. You think the scum tell he was harping about wasn't a genuine reasoning to call cal scum? | ||
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-NU's reaction to tumbles post bout confusement is a line with mine reaction. points. -Cal is similar too. About Cal, I thought of something last night. Tinfoil here, but cal is Mafia's Necromancer, and wanted to establish a format to make changes to LW's more believable. This could explain the focus on LW's on the entro post.The only thing against this, and that she did mention the risk of Necromancer changing. TT- The Setup stuff kinda bores me, but I should prob read through it eventually kus it sparked a bit of discussion. Kinda getting town feels from both of NU and Calix atm though. My thoughts on Setup, the dead should make their own calls on how to use their powers and Last Wills are not that important since the dead can be just as wrong as anyone about stuff. Basically the only setup thing that's important to living players imo is being able to see who the dead are voting for as that gives us insight into their thoughts. In general though it is best to approach this game as a straight all vanilla game with some potential information coming from dead players. Ok post that mimics my thoughts earlier. On September 09 2016 10:17 Grackaroni wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5ylayQl.png) If you want me baby, put a ring on it. Better act quick too, This deal might be over soon. | ||
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On September 09 2016 10:21 Tumblewood wrote: pls stop making me explain myself Ok, I am going to explain basic logic. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Egl7CY5) Out of context, that gif seems like WTF what do they mean. Don't be like that Gif. On September 09 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote: To elaborate (yes without quoting posts go fuck yourself tt  vivax surmises well that ticktock's entry is a cheap imitation of a post that got someome town read last game but that's not the only reason I'm voting him. Read his filter and look at how forced it looks that he's giving out reads such as "I like this post" and similar crap. But wait you say that's not enough oh great and wonderous Holyflare you are so great and wonderous surely there is more? YOU WERE CORRECT The worst post of this game and I've only read like 8 posts. First of all his entire post is a giant trash paradox "oh wow setup is so shitty and boring here is some setup talk!" this also doesn't align with anything he said in the post either because if he is too bored to read other people talk about setup then why is he making a post that could well have already been said? Nah he's skimmed your posts and wants to fit in. Then oh lokk I'm contributing after dinner spiel. Please TT i thought you at least had some high level mafia play. He never said though that Setup talk was shitty.through. He just said it bores him, but ackolges the fact that it did generate content. The Setup stuff kinda bores me, but I should prob read through it eventually kus it sparked a bit of discussion I can understand the paradox nature though now that you pointed it out. Also fits the Lazy painting he painted. Also, waiting for you to fakeclaim a blue role this game. On September 09 2016 11:46 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](https://media4.giphy.com/media/9c830567WqLCw/giphy.gif) Someone better sheep me real soon. use a better Gif and maybe I will. Actually I most likely will so  On September 09 2016 11:53 Holyflare wrote: Guess I'm gonna be getting off a lot of medic protects then. Wait, what? Your going to be lynching Townies? As I said, I considered it, but your "GG ez, sheep me" behavior as well as your admittance of not reading through the whole thread are making me second-think this. tl;dr I agree with your read, but you've got little credibility. This post from NU reads off as a Paranoid town to me. | ||
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The only thing that could in my mind, make TT town. Is nothing that TT has done. It falls upon voting logic. The highest counter wagon rn is at 2 votes, while TT is at 6. Which indicatives to me, that either mafia is bussing TT, or Mafia is fine lynching TT due to him being town. And that's it. Which is just awful to go off of. TT's filter is Crap honestly. Reading it doesn't give me too much rn to go off of. Nothing in TT's filter feels majorly town. I am going to put my vote on him. And then catch up during the night phase. | ||
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Eh, not a wasted lynch I suppose. Since we didn't know about the replacement. At least now I basically can read the game now knowing TT alignment. On September 11 2016 05:59 Superbia wrote: I feel for you shapelog =/ Sick and mafia. I think i once played with a migraine (or off of one) due to it being voting day once. I will endure. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote: Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war. But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect "We cannot blame anyone for the lynch, let's blame everyone who was off the path?" I think that was the post message. I mean, I need to read it. But them defending TT could just be reg. town stuff. And here I thought you cared about me. | ||
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Scott can heal and that is it, since he is Benv, Good, Now push my mafia agenda for me. On September 11 2016 06:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: "LET'S NOT BLAME THE ONES ON THE ML TRAIN, LET'S INSTEAD BLAME THE ONES WHO DIDN'T AGREE TO ML TT" SCUMMY AF. DAMDRED NEEDS TO GO. 100%. FFS stop Cap locking. Also stop saying what I said. Plus, HF driving a ML doesn't make him scum. He had (bad) reasons to vote him, but he had reasons. People like Damdred, Shapelog, Fuba, and Superbia gave no reasoning whatsoever for this lynch. They are scummier than the one who drove the ML. Fact. Lol I litterly posted the reasoning behind why place my vote. Is it good? no, I find it horrible since I lacked a lot of what happen. Did I at least explained it? yes. And ask if someone could catch me up. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: That's what I said 4 times, dear. >_> (^ Shapelog quote) Read the first 15 pages of this thread. Literally ALL of your posts were repeating what I had said 5 minutes earlier. All of them. Fuck off. Bold is wrong, and I don't even had to reread. Ik i was the first to talk about Vivax posting. I also have different views in those pages as well IIRC. So no. | ||
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On September 11 2016 07:44 Damdred wrote: Hi shape! It seems whenever we play together one of us gets pulled away, and it makes me sad. Ah, I finally understand why your tone sounds different this game. Hi Damdred! Eh, yes it does. But it does make the game a bit more interesting. | ||
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From what I see, I actually see TT getting talked into his pool as a P-lynch, and voted TT since he was the worse of me/TT/Super for PL reasons. The way I see it: On September 11 2016 04:09 Skynx wrote: So 1 meta, 1 shitposting, another meta, what u mean in 4th one i have no idea and one plynch argument. So you are referring to him calling the setup boring but he should read it boils down to being illogical therefore he must be scum. You say you are assuming here, a very logical assumption. How logical it is to assume this whole thing is very weak? Your case is based on meta, shitposting, assumption and policy. 2 of those above can be applied to 4 I've mentioned earlier, they are essentially same with ticktock with exception that they actually posted stuff. Therefore your strongest argument is the 'logical assumption' you made earlier which is debatable at best. On September 11 2016 04:21 Skynx wrote: I mostly agree. TT, Shape, Super and Palmar are all plynches. Whats bothering me and what I've been trying to say over last few pages is TT is not as good of a lynch as other 3 because he is TOTALLY afk. Rest have been posting with no content whatsoever. Super just trolled and commented on setup for 3 entire pages of filter. Palmar said he will just not read or post. Shape posted walls of text that says nothing at all. But we are tunnelling on 1 guy that is actually away while 3 people we have more data that reliably suggests that they did jack shit all game but no one even considers them. So if we are dealing with these points: Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF. He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed. I mean He disagreed with TT being a scum read. He thought TT was a P-lynch and that was it. He points our what he thinks are errors in HF's read, and states that TT was a P-lynch. And he ended up on TT due to my filter being better (or not as bad?) and over super due to i think a discussion he had with Damdred. Personally. I can follow the train of though on Skynx vote. I feel it would of been better if he had voted damdred or someone like that then TT, but it isn't like a major contradiction or anything. Honestly a better point to make, is that late into the cycle, his pool was mostly P-lynchs, with the only one not being it was Damdred | ||
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On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote: Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. That is kinda why it is a bummer for me to not see him vote you. Cause at least then. then he is actually pushing a vote onto you. And others were on the wagon as well, so it wasn't like it didn't exist. From reading his filter, it felt like he was trying to consolidate onto someone. Hence why he voted on TT, as a PL. He didn't like the reasoning why HF thought he was scum sure. But ultimately, knew TT was a decent PL due to inactivity. Overall, I can understand how he got to point A to B. | ||
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On September 11 2016 08:22 NeverUnlucky wrote: And of course Damdred points this out after TT was MLed! How convenient. And you made me felt like the Tonal mafia point I thought you sounded like catching up after I talked myself out of it via saying that that just him. How convenient! I mean, it isn't like he sat on this, and pulled it out. You introduced it, and asked for thoughts. Now your trying to shade him via saying this about it? Like he did have a thought about it? Hell, he was looking at people off the wagon after the ML. Which both of us saw, and pointed out. | ||
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*sigh* FML On September 11 2016 08:27 Damdred wrote: Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh. In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool. Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread. And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say). Do you disagree? And tumble is better than what I have read bout of him so far. And he was town the last game, where he acted exactly like he is now. I reread a further back. and I see what you mean by the [u] part. From page 2 - 4 I found Several remarks of him stating Me/Palmar/Tumble or who ever was missing or not posting or what ever. But I have to agree that he really didn't do much about them, other then just throw out posts about it. Shade posts? but honestly why bother? In actives would get lynch anyways for PLs. And as I read further back. I noticed something weird. On September 10 2016 00:38 Skynx wrote: Of all NU's actions you picked this one to townread him? Whats special about it he's arguing about how using 'we' is NAI... I don't even know what to say about the point about me, sorry for not predicting when stuff is gona happen? When I left nothing was happening so I left. Not a fan of this post. On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Into: On September 11 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote: Alright here is the deal people: TT is just soo hit and miss. He barely posted anything therefore no content to analyse properly. HF is tunnelled for whatever meta reason he has and blindly sheeping him is nuts. TT is basically a plynch at this point but there are 2-3 others with similar no content no opinion just shitposting filters. Can we please reconsider our lynch? Both of which, he contradicted. He previously analysed one of TT's posts, and said HF+ things. The problem is....is that i have no clue what the mafia motivation or agenda is for trying to get me/tumble/Palmar lynched over TT, other then the chance me/Tumble/Palmar steps up. And that is it. He is in a spot to push the TT lynch, yet doesn't, and goes back on the earlier points. Now if TT was scum, I would have a reasoning. Skynx was trying to protect scum!buddy TT. But TT was town. There is so little he would achieve by doing it. And it is a High risk, lowish reward to get one of me/Tt/Palmar/U? lynched, and then get lynched for not having anything else. All he would achieve is attention.... idk, the part i looked at made sense, but now that i found the quotes, I am confused on why the switch happen. TLDR: it is off now that I look at it, but I cannot figure-out if it is necessarily scummy, since the mindset doesn't make sense. | ||
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On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet. So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) How do you even? I...... YOU ARE OUR CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! | ||
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On September 11 2016 09:16 Damdred wrote: I'm here always pulling you back in shape! The most likely motivation is easy ml and being under the radar in a somewhat lazy and hf driven game that's contentious at points. Other than that it's towny looking to consolidate at least. As for tw idk I'm suspicious and vivax has fallen off a lot to. Thank god! I was going to ask the dark lord to make your child be the love child of Slam, Chez, Moosy, me, and Race. Eh. Easy ML would of be just agreeing with it. My problem, is that he openly contracts himself, and doesn't seem to care. Maybe it was to look more town, due to being on the part of the wagon that was against TT. But why then vote TT? If that was his plan, then he could of wasted his vote on me/palmar/Tw/you. And harp how he didn't vote for TT, who he would of know flipped green. God this must be like how people try to read my votes when I am scum. TW i am bothered with due to him knowing better then to town read me for what he did (Which no one commented on it. How dare you people. You complain about my WoT's being useless, but don't read it.) and his overall play. I am a bit put off by his last game, and how he was there. But I litterly have to read his posts as: Let's Make Tumblewood Great Again! One lost scum game a Time! because they bother me so much. He should be doing much more than this. He should be a easy read for me. He's not. Vivax, I saw a post about superbia (the one where he first mentions superbia) and the timing was really off. It felt out of place entirely with how the thread was talking. The caselet on Superbia was nothing great either. And I barely can remember or care nough about the posts I am reading around 30-40 | ||
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On September 11 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote: I was getting up put my phone on the back of the toilet flushed and the phone fell and I went... Nooooooooooooo, you were the chosen one. My wife is somewhat upset at me. I am upset with you. And I don't have to even sleep with you yet. btw, my fever is now 101.1, proving that mafia is a cure to the mental insane. | ||
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Catch up. From page 20 to page 50. + Show Spoiler + On September 09 2016 22:19 Calix wrote: Skynx COULD be mafia, sure, but I think my current scum team theory holds more weight. Granted, this will almost-always be the case because Skynx has not interacted with anyone so we'll see how he changes things if at all. I think this post relating to Grack/ TW/ TT are telling though. This was kind of what pinged me when I was catching up earlier. It felt like Grack/ TW were ganging up on HF with shoddy reasoning once TT was under fire. TW's 'paranoia' seems so damned convenient because it reads like he's wielding it to push back against HF. And here I thought you hated pre-flip association. On September 09 2016 22:41 Grackaroni wrote: But which is it?! Is he trying to skate by with low content posts or is he not coming back from dinner? He did have a better start in that last game. If he's actually just bad at playing as mafia I'll vote him. Also I did not hard defend him. What I did is what we call in the business a "chain saw defense." The idea is to hit the accuser with the chain saw while the other scummer has him distracted. Noting to see how this progressed. On September 09 2016 22:47 Vivax wrote: What's up with superbia? A dozen one liners in a row, his plan is to get lynched, some of his speculation seemed misinformed. It's like he didn't sleep for 24 hours, drank a litre of coffee then started playing mafia. At least it looks like he's motivated to post. I am not too crazy about this post. Out of place comment on Superbia. Thread is talking about Skynx/Grack/TT/TW and Vivax randomly brings up Superbia out of no where. Nor contributes to the discussion about it. A bit of redemption for the bold. Still a iffy post for me. On September 10 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ignoring players who scum-read you -- deflection/apathy. You still don't answer the question. Deflection. SKYNX NEEDS MORE VOTES. NU. Let me teach you a lesson. Some people....You know.... Just don't care about being Scum readed. Especially early on, when they should be focusing on making content. On September 10 2016 00:03 NeverUnlucky wrote: Nice attempt to discredit me while refuting none of my points. I am kinda meh about NU's stance here. Kinda feels like scum trying to discredit based off the tone of this one and the last post quoted. I am trying to figure out better on how to explain it. I think the best way to say it, is that NU's tone here feels like he is trying to overstate how creditable his position is in the thread. And is trying to sound like the better man, then trying to scum hunt. So that others join the read on Skynx. On September 10 2016 00:08 Skynx wrote: I usually read entire posts of Race, is something wrong with me? You might need to go get tested for HIV, and every other sexually transmitted disease. On September 10 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote: A simple summary/caselet of scummy shit superbia did: - Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles. - While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos. - That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game. - One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case. This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason. Follow up from Vivax about Superbia was meh. Point 1 I don't love. 2 is a ok point to make. 3, too early in the game to state this IMO. You should sus. everyone (or talk to everyone) till halfway through Day 1. 4 is WIFOM reasoning. Doesn't make me feel any better about it. On September 10 2016 00:49 Tumblewood wrote: truth nu vs. skynx is TvT. as long as skynx isn't voting me I will sheep him because I am 90ish percent sure he's town and his voting record is about twice as good as mine. this subject to change if/when I lose confidence in that read or get pissed at someone This is really fucking strange from Tumble. I have never seen Tumble act like this besides the last game he played in. He was town that game, but.... Just it doesn't feel like at all how tumble plays. Tumble as town is pretty good, and for him to vote with Skynx based off of Previous game vote records...... I don't even know what to make of it. It just like Tumble flipped the Good Town play-style switch off. NU voices what I would say (minus meta.) + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote: This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence? There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. Did either misread or misrep. Tumble though. Never stated he was both newbie and expereinced. Maybe I need to reconsider my earlier point about the tone of NU. It still bothers me, but it just could be how he plays. Will filter and see afterwards. On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote: idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM) At this point, your crappyness must mean your scum. Just, Your posts make me cringe. Their that bad. From now on, I am going to say this, Make Tumblewood Great again. One Lost scum game a Time. Whenever I need to comment on your posts. On September 10 2016 02:16 Holyflare wrote: all of your posts come off like you have a massive stick rammed so far up your arse that you're poking people in the eyes with it by speaking HF SEES IT TOO! So I am not alone with the fact NU Tone seems like a Mafioso. On September 10 2016 02:32 Calix wrote: I prefer to have the person I'm talking to answer my posts, not a spokesperson. I don't consider it a 'showdown' actually, just two people being jumpy around each other. Vivax analysed some of Superbia's posts, Superbia responded and Vivax repeated the points when stating his scum-read on Superbia. Also Superbia accused Vivax of OMGUS which seemed out of nowhere, but I don't remember Superbia's previous scum-read on Vivax. Granted, I only skim-read it so this opinion is shit, but nothing Vivax pointed out is that scummy (seemed more theoretical, like when he was saying "Superbia could be trying to make Calix scum-read NU", so stuff like that is too...abstract (for lack of a better word) to appeal to me) I didn't see anything that only scum would do from either of them. I might reread that later and revise my 'thoughts' but don't hold your breath. lmao. This game is active/ spammy enough for me. Hell no am I going to look at this thread and decide "ah yes I shall spend time reading another game". I haven't properly looked through any 'filters' yet if I am honest. I'd rather try and motivate myself to do that before EOD and see if I can find something. That whole 'finding shit that only scum would say' is why I'm not full-on scum-reading Vivax, by the way, because while scum COULD play like him, I don't recall him doing anything that only scum would do. Don't know if that makes much sense but that's where my thoughts are atm with him. I really like this post! Townie tone, Townie mindset, it really is just a very obv. townie post. I mean, I had the tinfoil that Cal was Nerco, but I cannot prove it. Plus the way she distalked the LW thinking about it now, makes me think that it wasn't a plan move for LW control. Town. On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote: I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip. Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD What? I...I mean...Um...Nice tinfoil? Let's make Tumblewood Great again! One scum game lost a time! But really, It isn't worth bothering with slips from a personal view point. Easy for scum to screw you over with. On September 10 2016 04:06 Skynx wrote: Shape is being shape and posting walls of comments on stuff. You have any reads bro, particularly on fuba and hf? Bonus points for relating gif. Ouch. From here, I stopped commenting on things to get caught up. Spoilered because it is quite long, and really is hard to understand. Going to TLDR and make a read list giving my thoughts tomorrow or tonight. | ||
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On September 11 2016 10:07 Holyflare wrote: I'm not here i have frienes and obligations Another misspell? With the same letter? That makes me wonder. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FzW6CVY.jpg) Hello Internet, and welcome to Mafia Theroyizers, the show that brings town play to its knees So, what is up with the absence of the letter D, on HF's posts? We can tell that a D is missing, since both good and friends both have D's in them. Therefore, why is HF almost dodging the letter D? Does he not like D's? Was he scared with By a Big D monster? The answer is no. HF just cannot be arsed to spell words right. It is actually a pivotal point in his play. By disregarding to spell words right, he throws people like me, grammar nazis, off his trail. Resulting in us being more focused in his spelling, then the actually content. But that is just a theroyizer, a Mafia Theroyizer! | ||
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On September 11 2016 10:12 Tumblewood wrote: hey shape, I'm here, but not really in the mood to think right now. could you explain what you said about me a couple posts before the one with the giant spoiler? You basically didn't/don't act at like I know you to do as town. Your attitude, the way your attacking the thread, is off. Your not posting beautiful works of content. Your not having the same thought process I associative you to have (inquisitive/logical) and you just feel lazy overall. There is also problems with your logic. Your read on me earlier makes no sense IMO. I have shown to you, multiple times, that I talk set up in thread as either alignment. Hell, Storm was me trying to convince town that 3rd party existed, and was basically my set up talk that brought back the win for me. Also the sheeping post, where you just say skynx (IIRC) is a good sheep due to voting records from past game I found ridiculous. Your sheeping a player, based off of things outside the game? It makes no sense. So finally, we are here: Let's Make Tumblewood great again! One lost scum game a time! Because I refuse to believe your town, and your like this. The only thing that gives me a little ray of hope is your past game you played. | ||
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On September 11 2016 10:46 Holyflare wrote: I like you shape God, How many of you people are going to fight for my love? I AM TAKEN! On September 11 2016 11:03 Tumblewood wrote: this whole game is divided in half me, grack, fuba, calix, NU, skynx vs shape, Hf, super, palmar with Damdred and vivax chilling on the side this is not healthy for town. I think the piece we're missing is convincing everyone who was on tictock that calix isn't mafia for being off him. I should do that sometime How did you get this? Calix I TR. NU and Skynx on same team? After what NU just posted? Grack idk (mainly because nothing stood out to me) and fuba is a shrug till I sit down and read his filter. Super is okish off what I have read on him. Palmar is apperently afkville. And HF.. Well HF is HF. Honestly waiting for him to fakeclaim this game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 11 2016 13:39 Tumblewood wrote: Why Calix isn't scum First of all: It is best first to ignore the Tictock wagon/flip and to look at Calix's posting style. Look big picture. Calix posting entirely from a townie mindset. He has consistently put himself out there with his reads and has been unafraid to call out bullshit. He is willing to confront people, inquisitive, and, above all, he is so clearly trying his hardest to help town. + Show Spoiler [Some examples of what I mean] + On September 09 2016 07:31 Calix wrote: It's a PRONOUN. Bloody Hell, if you're going to start a tunnel based on this, you're going to be useless. That wasn't a misrep because I was using it to say that your point sucked, not to discredit you. Scum can only manipulate LWs twice. The game is going to go on for more than two nights. There is going to be at least one accurate LW in there, no? Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget. The point is that we can't trust the messages too much but that it's still a good idea for the dead town to try and communicate with the rest of the thread anyhow. (trying to post correct information > not trying at all) I'm not sure how saying "hey, here are some ways that the town could try to communicate info via their LWs" is a bad thing. I also didn't say "LWs are reliable" and openly said that we shouldn't trust them...which is something that you note in the rest of your post. I'm not seeing how you're concluding half the things that you are from my posts. On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote: Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty. Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis. Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re" I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to. On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote: "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you? On September 11 2016 00:38 Calix wrote: I was asking for a case for why they thought you were scum because things like "his cases aren't as good as they are when town" aren't something I can give an opinion on because I don't know your meta. I've also explained my thought process in regards to TT which is clearly shown in my filter. I initially scum-read him, then had doubts about his static train and the people voting him and then I switched my vote after reading fuba's filter. That's also a horrible characterisation of my filter. I had scum-read Grack/ TT/ TW together earlier, then revised that when I read fuba's filter and my town-reads aren't 'wishy-washy' whatsoever. I stated who they were and why and that was that. You haven't explained how fuba is town as of yet. In fact, NOBODY has. Why is everyone just ignoring him? Also, she slipped when she talked about setup spec, saying that town had PRs. Someone who rolled town would know which town roles are in the game. That's the first thing they would check. Additionally, her LW talk seemed coming from a mafia trying to appear like he's helping town perspective. It in no way helped town. If anything, her proposition would have given mafia more freedom to frame those LWs. btw, I will not post a LW. Any LW attached to my death is a framed one. There's also the meta points that make her 100% mafia in my eyes. I will list them later if need be. @Calix, they're not the shitty meta-reads you usually get scum-read for i.e. being much less active than usual. They're actual things you've only said as scum and will only say as scum. I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...? You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta. Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly. On September 11 2016 03:25 Calix wrote: I answered your questions. Make better ones next time that don't require abstract answers. Your attempt at painting my response as evasive has been noted. (there are more but no one would read them all anyway) "But Tumblewood," you ask, "how can you ignore that Calix had TMI with Tictock?" Ah ha ha haaa. What a silly question. Calix didn't have TMI at all. Right here is where Calix first shows wariness of the wagon on TT. Keep in mind that before this Calix was scumreading TT. On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote: Good question. I don't have a fucking clue. Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them. Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1. He cites how easily the wagon formed (which is intelligent and indicative of + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + scum supporting a mislynch And right here is the dichotomy that everyone should have seen: On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him? He continues for the rest of the day to support his read and try to convince town of why they should get off TT. + Show Spoiler [More support he gives this read] + On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote: The whole "scum could be pushing another lynch" argument doesn't really check out with the current votes. I see nobody trying to make a push for someone who isn't TT. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and we end up CFD'ing within like, the last half an hour or so but right now? Nah. On September 11 2016 03:02 Calix wrote: Also there are more people defending the "TT is scum who his team mates don't want to risk defending" angle than there are people actually defending TT, lmao. On September 11 2016 03:16 Calix wrote: If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed" My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him. Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies. On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote: I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move. Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf On September 11 2016 04:28 Calix wrote: I'm not saying sheeping is bad, but when an entire train is almost entirely sheep-votes, there's a problem. Hardly anyone else has managed to get anywhere near the number of sheep votes as TT has. "guys does anyone else notice how many people wanted to sheep that wagon? isn't that a little weird to you all?" I recommend especially that you read the third quote in the spoiler. The important thing to get from this is that Calix did not have TMI by picking the correct answer out of many equally valid possibilities; he picked the simplest, most logical answer from several possibilities and was correct. How long are we going to pretend that it is scummy to be skeptical of a wagon because it formed with little resistance? That is a major trait of a mislynch. The following quote doesn't give me anything that overtly proves Calix didn't have TMI, but the vibes from it are very good. On September 11 2016 05:17 Calix wrote: I mean I can see the "scum bussing their more useless ally" as a thing but the only person who is trying to take the credit for the TT lynch is HF and if you think HF is bussing then voting HF makes more sense than voting TT by proxy. (I know you are voting HF, I am just talking generally) "all roads lead to TT being a poor vote" This right here is the last quote I'm going to give you. If this doesn't convince you that Calix didn't have TMI and was instead a townie being smart, nothing will. On September 11 2016 05:24 Calix wrote: "If I'm mafia" - Stopped reading because self-meta on your scum game is useless when you are obviously aware of it and can change how you act accordingly. And since I'm the person who is hardcore defending TT, that parenthesis part could be a subtle pocketing attempt from you. I don't think I can do anything about TT's train. Nobody seems to find anything I say worth listening to. The last line screams of trying to get people off the wagon. This was clearly not to get town cred but rather to prevent a mislynch. Ok... But what about scum? You have the energy to town hunt, so why don't you scum hunt maybe? On September 11 2016 14:06 Grackaroni wrote: I just came up with an AMAZING new Grackpot theory. I don't really want to go into it right now, so stay tuned before the day post for the new iteration of Grack reads. HF was phase 1. Now I've officially moved on to phase 2. And 2 is greater than 1 Let's just say on a scale of 1-Koshi I feel about this much: But why are you saying this, do you ask? I want to be pissed off at Grack not doing anything. But my god I cannot. It catches me funny that Shapelog spent a lot of time defending Skynx. However he did say that he preferred having a conversation to 'help catch up' or something like that so probably not AI but I'll note it for future reference. Wasn't really me defending him, it was me giving my view on the post NU made, and about Skynx Alignment. The reason why i am good at town, is that I am able to bring myself into town discussions. Outside of that. I have to do these long catch up posts, to get A) caught up, but also B) to understand anything. Its hard for me to really do anything if i don't do these. I also realized half way through that you died. So, and since my posts don't apparently get read like they should, all the other people can learn the shape way. I lost some posts i commented on due to accidental cloosing of the tab. On September 11 2016 23:46 fuba wrote: Morning. Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone): What are my thoughts on the calix discussion? I think she probably could have defended tt as either alignment. I disagree that starting the defense because of VCA is accurate, though. I don't see how 3v2v2v1v1v6-no-votes (generalizing, can't look at the vote list right now) indicates a lack of defense. There were other wagons trying throughout the day to get onto someone other than tt. Once the votes were skewed to what they became at EoD, I might have gotten concerned, but she was on it much earlier than that. Might lean slight scum for that, but I also recall thinking that many of her posts just felt like frustrated town. Might be able to find some and quote them later. At the moment I'm considering her town. Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD. Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more. I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day. On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum. I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment). Bold are flip floppy when I read it. TW past game I have commented on. Interested to see your scum reads. On September 12 2016 00:38 Vivax wrote: I'd like to see what the science was. No one actually voting TW after the slip might have led Palmar to some conclusions as well. I'm not sure I buy he doesn't have any just cause nobody followed him, so at least let's hear the hypothetical version "what if somebody actually fueled a TT counterwagon", what would Palmar's conclusions have been on people following or not following him. My thoughts exactly. On September 12 2016 05:28 Grackaroni wrote: Phase 2: Super cocky Grackalicious game is now totally solved. Get on my level, please - edition. (In all seriousness I could still be a huge noob, but I've played scum with both of these fuckers and I'm totally probably right.) First: The rehash for the clinically lazy. If you are not named Palmar you can probably skip over this part. (To be fair I haven't read a lot too, but I didn't ignore anyone trying to direct me to their lynch.) For the non-lazy, this should be a concise summary that shows why HF is mafia. The thing that truly solidified the HF read for me was the way he was arguing with me yesterday. The way that he tried to nit pick on any little discrepancy he could find to discredit me gave me war flashbacks to the survivor series mafia game I was talking about earlier. I looked through Onegu 2 again and he didn't do this when I accused him then as town. Now for the Tumblewood part: After the lynch I was starting to realize that it's really unlikely that all 3 mafia voted for TT. I am lumping the Palmar vote as a vote for TT because even though he switched he didn't actually make any effort to lynch a non-TT person. Then I was reading through Shapelog's filter and he was making a lot of good points. Therefore I am crediting Shapelog with the assist on this one. At first I was thinking, the only person being reasonable in this game is Tumblewood. But then it hit me. THE ONLY PERSON BEING REASONABLE IN THIS GAME IS TUMBLEWOOD! Since when is Tumblewood ever fucking reasonable? When he's bussing! Nobody else in the game has been able to figure out HF yet. I guarantee that if these two rolled scum together they are going to bus heavily. Plus whenever TW has tried to put out a non-HF scum read this game it's seemed bad to me. There's one where he thinks NU could be scum from tone that he rescinds because he can't understand him. There's another on Damdred that he rescinds after Damdred posts a super useless list. And then there's a third on Super for not voting him instead of TT when Super has been calling both TW and TT mafia together. Plus HF is actually right that writing a town case on Calix right now is a weird thing to do. So that's where I'm at right now. The third is probably somebody super boring like Damdred or Palmar. Head Bang. Tumblewood part is meh. As scum that is when he is reasonable. But as town as well, he is much more resonable then he is right now. Hence my problum with his play. Him not talking to me after I brought up the meta points, the fixation with Super due to his past games voting record, His Tumblewood vs. the World post, Cal. Town case. All to name a few. Have to stop because of Storms. Hopfully be back either tomorrow morning, or late tonight if it passes. | ||
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Not really in the mood to go full blown critic mode. But, acknowledge the type of the roles, and have strong enough counters. For example, Town has unkillable full cop that could check each night vs a framer and a 2 time negation (because for mafia, it held no value to change non-checker votes.). Mafia can only stop the Check from going out till Day 4, which would be the last day if only ML and NK's happen. Meaning, the people who mafia were pushing/sus. people will most likely have been checked and revealed on the most influence day. Also DW's can be swing if able to guess save. Good game. | ||
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