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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum
The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting.
Why is it scummy then?
You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well?
How is this making him scummy?
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And of course Damdred points this out after TT was MLed! How convenient.
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I very much like Shapelog's spoiler post. He made some original and good points I can agree with on TW, Skynx, and even me.
It's hard to believe he is a grammar nazi with his spelling however.
@TW -- The game is not as clear cut as you make it to be. For instance, I am not against HF, Shape nor Super. I have liked both Super and Shape's recent post and still think that HF is town. It's much more complex than 'Group 1 vs Group 2'.
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TW -- Calix is a she. I cringed everytime you used "he" to refer to her.
Calix -- Please tl;dr your 2 wall posts for me.
Skynx -- Maybe you want to clarify some of the points I made on you for your own benefit.
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On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options.
So basically my opinions, except the arguments are fleshed out. Ok, ok.On September 11 2016 22:16 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town. Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir.
That's all sorts of wrong, lol. Driving a lynch on Superbia who you considered a PL wouldn't have made you a target for D2 even if he was to flip scum. Scum would target the confirmed town/the better players over someone who got a lucky coin flip in terms of PL.
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On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote:Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this.
You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix?
I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy.
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On September 11 2016 22:24 Skynx wrote:
Damdred is 100% scum.
His meta read stating I normally put good cases and reasonings behind them is true. However EoD I discussed with TW, Calix and Vivax (I think?) how there was no obv scum and plynch was good here. Calix was trying to push Damdred for wrong reasons, I didn't agree to it. There was no case for me to make, I asked multiple times if anyone thinks someone was objectively scummy and make a case on it, no one came up. No one was scummy D1, TT was not the worst lynch overall.
Lynching any other plynch yesterday (with slight exception of Palms) would be worse.
"Damdred is 100% scum"
"He's right, I make good cases"
Make a case on him if you're that good and he's 100% scum.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Kill with fire guys.
Good point. He flip-flopped his read on you thrice in that short amount of time. Does that make him scum though? I mean, I have 180'd some of my reads this game, and I am town. I could also see him evolving his read though my bias tells me he slipped.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:28 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 22:15 Holyflare wrote:
Could be damd/tw Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this. You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix? I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy. Try reading when you are not hungover, ya lightweight, and get back to me on that.
Reading what? If there's something you want me to read either tl;dr it or quote-and-bold-it. I did not read the bigger posts you made earlier today, featherweight.
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On September 11 2016 22:41 Calix wrote:
It's scum-indicative because you're back-tracking on your only stated 'scum-read' so far.
You look so cute when you post one-liners like this c:
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On September 11 2016 22:45 Skynx wrote:
Shape is a wierder case. I mean he agreed with Damdy for no reason, then nitpicked another reason I'm scum when i denied that very thing literally 2 posts later in my filter.
Then he backed away from everything cuz it didn't make sense. Not sure if this is scummy actually.
are you trolling
Shape doesn't agree with Damdred, Shape thinks you are town, mang.
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On September 11 2016 22:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:54 Damdred wrote:
Shape doesn't know what to make of your inconsistencies, sees no reason that you should do what you did as scum. You dropped your opinion while you were busy rehashing Shape's views, my dude.
And you still haven't explained to me why TW/Damdred can be a thing. gogogo
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On September 11 2016 23:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:20 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:19 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 23:18 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:17 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 23:15 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:14 Calix wrote:
Maybe if you actually did something, I'd be more inclined to not laugh at you whenever you post, hun. talking to me? Everyone else is doing stuff, so yes. You are randomly talking about Grack and LWs and not being that engaged with the current discussion. What gives? I don't know what the current discussion is, so I'm talking about things I like to talk about. You are claiming to have missed the Skynx-Shapelog-Damdred-HF-TW posting that took place over the past few hours. Legit. can you summarize or do I have to go back and read? Go masturbate over your uselessness in the corner with NU pls. If everyone else has gone, I'm just going to check the thread from time to time.
Talk about 'unrealistically egotistical types', zzz...
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He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me.
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On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here.
Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either.
And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too.
What are the right things I should be focusing on then?
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On September 12 2016 00:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote:On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here. Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then?
answer all*
I feel like you are the one who's focusing the wrong stuff. All that WIFOM talk was a waste of time, and I do not get the feeling that you are objectively reading DDD's responses.
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On September 12 2016 00:11 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. I knew you would,come around slowly.
Wait, are you claiming that you are pocketing me? Rhetorical question, obviously.
How did you know that I was going to change my read?
To your vivax point, it's possible but I'd like to,give him at least to d3. D2 we already have a few decent candidates I think. (Sky should be discussed, tw is one of,the top candidates)
There's no wrong in havim than three canditates. This web-site should REALLY stop using the "Yeah, I too think he may be scum. Let's give him another day though." It's brutally bad in all aspects.
Why are you already dismissing a Vivax possible lynch for D2 before D2 even started?
Problem lies I have a lot of town reads and I get the feeling that one is wrong at least.
Same.
Like I think shape is townish now, so it leaves me in a place where it could be vivax/tumble/sky but that team doesn't feel right to me.
You scum-read Vivax but don't want to have him as a potential lynch D2? Weird AF, and again being friendy-friend with the best players.
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On September 12 2016 00:16 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote:On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here. Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then? That's not how it works. Damdred's scummy actions don't become less scummy just because he acted like non-scum elsewhere.
Need I remind you that your actions were scummy af too? Does it make you scum? I don't think so. Why would it make DDD scum then?
What do you make of TW and fuba's latest post?
Don't remember TW's last post, and I did not read fuba's last post with a critical viewpoint. I liked the post, agreed with the points he made but did not dig into it in other words.
When I said "the wrong things" I was complaining about you town-reading Vivax less because "his posts at EOD dropped in quality" even though this argument applies to most of the players in the game. It's a dumb reason to trust someone less is my point.
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You guys put way too much importance in your meta reads.
You disregarded the points Calix and I made on DDD D1 because "lol, he will improve his play later on, meta", you don't want a lynch on someone you scum-read because meta says he will scumslip if he's scum, you said that TT wouldn't be inactive as town cuz' meta, etc.
Like, all the points I can make on someone are somehow invalid because you think that you will be able to read everyone with meta. It's not how it should work. Meta can evolve, and you can try to play your town meta as scum.
"Meta should be the icing on the cake not the whole fucking cake."
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