EPTEBWOP: In my book that gets you very little towncred.
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BTDT and silent....in light of all of the above garbage, my dissections of scott's filter and the outright lies he's just been peddling...is scott still hard town for you? Because if he is I'm done with this game. This is goddamn stupid. | ||
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EBWOP: I went back and took a look at the thread around this time. I THINK he might not be saying "scott's case" but "the case on scott". Just the previous page I'd filter-dived scott: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916284 In which case I can't find anything anywhere in Lunatic's filter where he said anything negative about scott. The closest he got was calling my case on him nice but also tempering that by saying its "full of holes". | ||
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At which point he already had 6 votes on him, the vote on you took you to 2 and roughly ten minutes later he took the vote off you and put it on KSC." Actually he had 7 votes on him at that point. I missed the KSC vote and it wasn't included in the total count in the next vote update for some reason (it says 6 but there are 7 names). Doesn't actually change anything though. | ||
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On August 09 2016 12:14 scott31337 wrote: You didn't even think of J roc, or anyone else being scum and you are going after me. No, I didn't. Because nobody else aligned with coming from a scum mentality except MAYBE Skynx. I've been thinking about it since the two scum flips so when Skynx died it left you as the best chance of lynching mafia. silent is pretty much town for certain. Several incidents have piled up to make it near impossible that he's the last mafia. BTDT I didn't like for much of the game but relatively recently a whole bunch of indicators have come along. Also, no way does he write that big night post scumming the hell out of Skynx, only for Skynx to be killed and flip town. No way. J Roc has been consistently and constantly calling for your lynch all game. And his posts are fairly good and seem to be from a town mindset. You, meanwhile, have posted some stuff that felt icky and then had virtually no further posts. There's a handful of very weak comments in there, mostly sheeping stuff. And a handful of promises to do stuff that never materialised for whatever reason. You've only popped up now with an attempt to scum me; but your arguments are falling apart at the seams, I've already pointed out an outright lie and attempt to deceive just before. On top of that without even properly diving them, just skimming, I keep finding bits in Lunatic's and Moosy's filters defending you, towning you or generally casting shade on those coming anywhere near to scumming you. Hell even NOW just quickly checking J Roc's filter and looking at a couple posts in context I find this post: On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him: KSC mderg Stutters btdt J Roc KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent. Moosy REALLY pushing the idea that there has to be a mafia on the original RB train (missing the fact that J Roc actually voted for you, i.e. scott). On the basis that it was a super easy bus to make. What do we make of this thing? mderg and Stutters both flipped green. KSC flipped blue. The one he's really pushing is BTDT who is unlikely scum at this stage. His team is BTDT/Grack/silent thanks to the association on votes he was pushing. Grack has since flipped town too. In light of him being mafia its not unreasonable to assume the reason Moosy was pushing this idea that there was a scum on that train is because there was no scum on there. Sure, it was a super easy bus to make but you don't HAVE to take it. Especially if its likely said person will be replaced. Its also a super easy idea to push in the mind of everyone, because its something people will accept quite easily. Right now my elimination path would be you and then...I guess J Roc if you flip town because he's wanted you dead all game. I dunno, I guess I'd have to see who was left alive and re-read the entire game. But based on everything I've read so far its unbelievably unlikely you flip town here. I guess tomorrow I'll go through the two mafia flipped filters again to see if I'm missing anything. Can't hurt, but I don't think so. | ||
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On August 10 2016 02:40 silentwarrior wrote: The biggest reason he was town for me was his intro and the fact that Lunatic voted for him. But didn't notice before that lunatic already had 6 votes on him at that point. He has at the very least gone down far from being hard town. May want to investigate more on him. I honestly still don't get why people like scott's intro tbh. It came across to me as incredibly flimsy. But yes, Lunatic's vote on scott was literally a ~10 minute affair when Lunatic was already being lynched by six votes. On August 10 2016 02:48 silentwarrior wrote: But I am quite puzzled by last nights kill. There was a decent chance that skynx would be lynched, and there are a lot better options for night kill. I see 3 reasons for killing skyns. 1. The most obvious town players had townread the mafia 2. Skynx had scumread mafia and he wanted rid of him 3. He was trying to cast shade on the ones that skynx had scumread. I don't think 2 is likely, it would be too suspicous tbh. Can say as of right now, I consider only btdt as the only town apart from me. Rest I am unsure about. I think I already addressed this above but to reiterate: - if scum!scott kills you or BTDT then he removes one of the two people hard towning him, leaving him in a game with three people scumming him and one towning. - if scum!scott kills me or J Roc then it invites heavy suspicion because both of us have been banging that drum all day (in fact J Roc been banging it all game). Which might make people reassess. - consequently the safest possibility for a scum!scott is to kill Skynx. Skynx wasn't as verbal about wanting to kill him, but was still scumming him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25925912 That reduces it to a 2v2 scenario with two townreading him and two scumreading him. Which is why he's trying to put me and J Roc as head to head. BTW: 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive; both you and BTDT are basically impossible to lynch today given the indicators over the past couple days, you're both hard town for today at least. And you're both reading scott as town and Skynx was scumming him. Which means 2 of your 3 reasons are true in the event it was scott pulling the trigger there. This is all WIFOMable of course. But its a fairly simple case of deduction here. I don't think its reaching too much. | ||
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Lets do the same with Moosy: Straight away claiming that RB was just spamming for the sake of spamming and telling everyone to ignore him entirely for the first day. RB's stuff was NAI but this is REALLY pushing the limit of how far we can just ignore it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25902875 Doesn't like policy lynches (in respect to the idea of plynching RB): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25902985 "60% sure RB was town": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25903312 Moosy agreeing with Lunatic that RB's stuff has no bearing on the game (arguably true, but an interesting interaction given that its between both scum and they're agreeing on this): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25903317 Minimal interaction between scott and Moosy, doesn't really push him just asks for an opinion and then says he's disappointed by the null read, but no attempt to pressure: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25904309 Pushing the "there was 100% a mafia on the RB wagon" thing super hard, in combination with scott claiming the same: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905861 "there has to be a Mafia on Race Bannon train and only real viable option is btdt": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25916581 OH MY GOD GUYS THERE HAS TO BE A MAFIA ON THE RB WAGON AND ITS BTDT, SEEING THE PATTERN YET, ANYONE?: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917020 Moosy spent like...virtually all of the game that I can see totally focused on two things: 1. the idea that there HAS to be a mafia on the RB wagon and 2. the idea that it HAS to be BTDT This indicates to me two things respectively: 1. since Moosy was pushing that so hard all game there probably wasn't actually a mafia on the RB plynch wagon and 2. BTDT probably isn't scum Since silent is pretty much never scum here the last mafia is either scott or J Roc. And I'm liking scott for it way more based on their respective filters and arguments and the attitudes the flipped mafia have towards them. On a side note I also caught this in skimming through, useful interactions: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905844 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25905857 | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:18 beentheredonethat wrote: Im im the hospital. Daughter had accident. I concede the game im last scum. God almighty I hope she's okay. Take care, BTDT; both you and your family. That aside very well played. You likely would have won here. I had this day's vote as between scott and J Roc with a very, very heavy lean on scott. If it'd got to the last day then I had some tinfoil stuff that you might have still been scum (in fact a couple hours ago I was seriously considering that if scott flipped town you HAD to be the last scum despite the recent indicators; I was going to post as much but I worried that it'd give mafia ideas) but making that decision for myself and trying to convince others of it are very different things and I don't know if I could have persuaded people onto that. Can't speak for Onegu but for the last day between you and scott it would be 100% scott all day every day so if you, silent and scott had gone on J Roc and then you'd killed silent then I can't see how scott isn't dead the next day over you. You vs J Roc is a bit up in the air given how I was feeling about if scott flipped town. You vs silent would be me 100% voting you because silent was never mafia this game. But since silent had you as definite town then you'd probably both have just lynched me. This is also I think 2 out of 3 games I've been involved in with scott in it so far that I've wanted to lynch him when he's town. And the third game I didn't want to lynch him because I was his goddamn scumbuddy. I think I'm going to have to concede I just flat out cannot read him at ALL. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:40 Onegu wrote: was so fucking infuriating. I would check a filter post something and it would be on the onegu account... First time that happened was hilarious though. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Shes not in danger. Thank god for that. Best wishes, don't apologise. Stuff happens. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:49 scott31337 wrote: Basically trying to figure out the last mafia - but BTDT with his vote I basically gave a free pass to. You and J roc seemed to always be on the wrong side of the votes. Oh well it's done now. I mean...I know I was frequently on the wrong side of the votes, I found this game to be utterly infuriating to try to read actually, but holy hell the reason for me spamming up the thread so much was to give people enough info on the reasons behind my reads so as to make it clear I was coming at it from a logical and factual perspective. That being said logic and facts didn't exactly work out too well for this game. X-D | ||
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Moosy probably had a reasonable chance of getting found out and lynched eventually though he made some great plays and Lunatic outed himself in order to secure the KSC kill after he was getting lynched anyway. But BTDT...I didn't like him much for the first couple day phases but he was never quite scummy enough to outright lynch, certainly never scummy enough for people to be persuaded to put enough votes for a lynch. And then he picked up just enough town indicators to make him near unlynchable for nearly everyone at the end there. I kinda feel he should be nominated for an award or something for this game. He played great. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:55 Rels wrote: -snip- I actually really hated that post. But my problem is that I got sidetracked by the attempt to link me and scott. Given that all three mafia were alive I was very much worried that BTDT and scott were both scum and BTDT was setting up to read scott as town based on my town flip. The problem THERE, of course, was that I had that in mind so firmly that they had to be a pair setting that up that when Lunatic flipped red and Moosy got modkilled I was completely thrown because they couldn't be scum together. Which meant that only one of them could be scum. And it seemed to make more sense that BTDT was just making a dumb association than he was scum making a potential association to make scott less lynchable (in my eyes). So I just let go of my scumread on BTDT to focus on scott. A mistake, of course. But still. Then again as above I'm now 2 for 2 on reading town!scott as scum. X-( | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A useful tip is that when someone is right all the time when everyone else is wrong all the time, the guy that's right all the time is probably mafia. Yup; one thing I picked up from live games in years gone by was basically along the lines of "wrong does not necessarily equal mafia". I tended to find people would always get hung up on people making wrong reads, especially in face-to-face sessions. Rather than thinking about why they were making that read and whether it was for garbage reasons. I was going to post that earlier in big letters but kinda felt that if I posted something so blatant people would think I was trying to wriggle out of being accused in a crappy way. Then again I wish that someone, ANYONE, who had tried to pick me for scum had actually tried to pick a hole in my arguments anywhere rather than just going "yep, scum". There was a reason I tried to provide a basis for all my reads for people to evaluate.  | ||
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At least I'm done before my holiday. | ||
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On August 10 2016 07:16 Onegu wrote: Wasn't the first time I slipped day 1 when I said RIP RaceBannon but it wasn't connected Yeah it wasn't connected that one. The next one though you literally replied to your own post on a different account. X-D | ||
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