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Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum.
GlowingBear: + Show Spoiler +Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him.
Jealous: + Show Spoiler +
emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now.
Damdred: + Show Spoiler +Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean.
MoosyDoosy: + Show Spoiler +Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far.
Chezinu: + Show Spoiler +Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me.
Artanis[Xp]: + Show Spoiler +A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.
After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me.
More to come.
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Honestly, the way you're posting right now makes me start believing that I just don't like you as a poster as opposed to not liking you because you're scum.
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On June 27 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote:
God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it.
The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway.
God that's craxy
"If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him."
Reading comprehension please.
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On June 27 2016 05:19 Superbia wrote:
Jealous that felt forced. Like you didn't want to give your reads because you believe in them or you want to pursue them. But it feels like you're giving them to seem town.
I'm trying to do my due diligence. This is just as much for myself to organize my thoughts as I read every filter of the 40+ hours I missed so I can get get ready to analyze consequent actions with some foundation, as it is to show others that I am back from being inactive and am ready to contribute my reads to the town. I can see how this can be construed as "trying to seem town," but given how there was a push to policy lynch me I think it is more of "trying to be active and a part of the game and stimulate discussion."
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On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote:Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. : + Show Spoiler +emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. : + Show Spoiler +Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. : + Show Spoiler +Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. : + Show Spoiler +Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. : + Show Spoiler +A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.
After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come.
QuickTwist: + Show Spoiler +I like that he has a serious approach to the game, but I also feel this results in him being somewhat obtuse in the early game of D1. Probably still acclimating to TL. It might be harder to do so as a player from another site than as a total newb to Mafia like the other newbs from the Newbie game. Regardless, I definitely did not feel like his counter-attack on Artanis holds water. Also seriously dislike his tone, which he tried to excuse as being reflective of some real life situation, but I have the inclination to believe that it is more reflective of a short temper and not coping well with the mannerisms of TL Mafia. This isn't AI, though. I think I just might not like him as a player, as opposed to thinking he is scum for it. The hyper-aggression just makes me look down upon him. "What the fuck is this dumb ass argument?" - Why so serious, kiddo? Got your panties in a bunch? -_-; QuickTwat from here on out.
However, I am inclined to lean town on him simply because he is playing with purpose and without much indication of being scum. I think he is making the same mistake I did D1 against him, which is ironic: jumping to conclusions. Also, he seems to have given a few free passes, which I don't like. Will have to stick to my read that QT vs. Artanis was TvT for now.
Jean Valjean: + Show Spoiler +Seems like a constructive and experienced poster. Reacted well to my raising suspicions about his election strategy. Still gives me the creeps a little, but not enough to pinpoint him as the scum. I feel that his clear presentation of ideas makes it easier to work with him, whether he is town or not. Any deviation from this foundation he has made as a reputaiton would be under instant scrutiny. I'm okay with him being Mayor, I think. Hopefully I'm not wrong.
Tictock: + Show Spoiler +I like his stance on QT's play, not so much on Artanis's play. His strategy for voting which would make him pardoner didn't make much sense to me. However, his other posts seem to be probing in directions I can get behind (beside Chez for Prez, which given Chez's filter I can't really take seriously). I townlean on him.
More to come.
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On June 27 2016 05:44 Damdred wrote:
That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter.
And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion.
Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all
He was pushing for mayor well before he revealed his blue role. I ignored it for that reason. When he saw that he wasn't getting support for his campaign which was basically "vote me mayor pls," he pulled out the claim, which I don't buy based on his play otherwise. This is what I meant by "if he wasn't pushing so hard for mayor, I would townLEAN him." Which means I don't townlean him.
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On June 27 2016 05:30 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote:Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. : + Show Spoiler +emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. : + Show Spoiler +Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. : + Show Spoiler +Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. : + Show Spoiler +Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. : + Show Spoiler +A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.
After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. QuickTwist: + Show Spoiler +I like that he has a serious approach to the game, but I also feel this results in him being somewhat obtuse in the early game of D1. Probably still acclimating to TL. It might be harder to do so as a player from another site than as a total newb to Mafia like the other newbs from the Newbie game. Regardless, I definitely did not feel like his counter-attack on Artanis holds water. Also seriously dislike his tone, which he tried to excuse as being reflective of some real life situation, but I have the inclination to believe that it is more reflective of a short temper and not coping well with the mannerisms of TL Mafia. This isn't AI, though. I think I just might not like him as a player, as opposed to thinking he is scum for it. The hyper-aggression just makes me look down upon him. "What the fuck is this dumb ass argument?" - Why so serious, kiddo? Got your panties in a bunch? -_-; QuickTwat from here on out.
However, I am inclined to lean town on him simply because he is playing with purpose and without much indication of being scum. I think he is making the same mistake I did D1 against him, which is ironic: jumping to conclusions. Also, he seems to have given a few free passes, which I don't like. Will have to stick to my read that QT vs. Artanis was TvT for now. : + Show Spoiler +Seems like a constructive and experienced poster. Reacted well to my raising suspicions about his election strategy. Still gives me the creeps a little, but not enough to pinpoint him as the scum. I feel that his clear presentation of ideas makes it easier to work with him, whether he is town or not. Any deviation from this foundation he has made as a reputaiton would be under instant scrutiny. I'm okay with him being Mayor, I think. Hopefully I'm not wrong. : + Show Spoiler +I like his stance on QT's play, not so much on Artanis's play. His strategy for voting which would make him pardoner didn't make much sense to me. However, his other posts seem to be probing in directions I can get behind (beside Chez for Prez, which given Chez's filter I can't really take seriously). I townlean on him. More to come.
Skynx: + Show Spoiler +Has a fair mix of decent posts and really useless posts, but not many posts in total. Overall I can't say I agree with some of his reads and pushes, but I don't find them to be necessarily scummy? Kinda divided on this one, so I'll say he is null to me for now, maybe a slight scum lean if I factor in overall activity.
Superbia: + Show Spoiler +Asks a lot of questions, which is good, but doesn't post much of his own thinking on matters until a bit later. On June 26 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
I always reach conclusions, I just don't share all of them. ;p
I don't like this mentality, however...
I feel like this is pretty consistent of the Superbia I know from the Newbie game; he seems more suited to the role of interrogator than investigator, that's how he plays. It is an easier facade to have as scum, but at the same time I don't really get that vibe from him. Hopefully he will ask enough questions and collect enough answers to be pivotal later in the game (again), so I'm okay with keeping him around with a slight townlean.[/spoiler]
Open for constructive discussion on any of the above reads.
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Very nice. I'm glad MoosyDoosy shenanigans failed him in this game. Glad I came around to vote for Jean.
+ Show Spoiler [Extreme paranoia] +I will have to examine MoosyDoosy vs. Jean for fear of this being a legendary bus.
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On June 27 2016 06:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 05:30 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote:Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. : + Show Spoiler +emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. : + Show Spoiler +Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. : + Show Spoiler +Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. : + Show Spoiler +Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. : + Show Spoiler +A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.
After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. QuickTwist: + Show Spoiler +I like that he has a serious approach to the game, but I also feel this results in him being somewhat obtuse in the early game of D1. Probably still acclimating to TL. It might be harder to do so as a player from another site than as a total newb to Mafia like the other newbs from the Newbie game. Regardless, I definitely did not feel like his counter-attack on Artanis holds water. Also seriously dislike his tone, which he tried to excuse as being reflective of some real life situation, but I have the inclination to believe that it is more reflective of a short temper and not coping well with the mannerisms of TL Mafia. This isn't AI, though. I think I just might not like him as a player, as opposed to thinking he is scum for it. The hyper-aggression just makes me look down upon him. "What the fuck is this dumb ass argument?" - Why so serious, kiddo? Got your panties in a bunch? -_-; QuickTwat from here on out.
However, I am inclined to lean town on him simply because he is playing with purpose and without much indication of being scum. I think he is making the same mistake I did D1 against him, which is ironic: jumping to conclusions. Also, he seems to have given a few free passes, which I don't like. Will have to stick to my read that QT vs. Artanis was TvT for now. : + Show Spoiler +Seems like a constructive and experienced poster. Reacted well to my raising suspicions about his election strategy. Still gives me the creeps a little, but not enough to pinpoint him as the scum. I feel that his clear presentation of ideas makes it easier to work with him, whether he is town or not. Any deviation from this foundation he has made as a reputaiton would be under instant scrutiny. I'm okay with him being Mayor, I think. Hopefully I'm not wrong. : + Show Spoiler +I like his stance on QT's play, not so much on Artanis's play. His strategy for voting which would make him pardoner didn't make much sense to me. However, his other posts seem to be probing in directions I can get behind (beside Chez for Prez, which given Chez's filter I can't really take seriously). I townlean on him. More to come. Skynx: + Show Spoiler +Has a fair mix of decent posts and really useless posts, but not many posts in total. Overall I can't say I agree with some of his reads and pushes, but I don't find them to be necessarily scummy? Kinda divided on this one, so I'll say he is null to me for now, maybe a slight scum lean if I factor in overall activity. : + Show Spoiler +Asks a lot of questions, which is good, but doesn't post much of his own thinking on matters until a bit later. On June 26 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
I always reach conclusions, I just don't share all of them. ;p I don't like this mentality, however... I feel like this is pretty consistent of the Superbia I know from the Newbie game; he seems more suited to the role of interrogator than investigator, that's how he plays. It is an easier facade to have as scum, but at the same time I don't really get that vibe from him. Hopefully he will ask enough questions and collect enough answers to be pivotal later in the game (again), so I'm okay with keeping him around with a slight townlean. Open for constructive discussion on any of the above reads.
EBWOP
(Sorry for posting during the night, had been typing for a while and did not notice the time)
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On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Townish
GlowingBear
-power gap-
Jealous
Emperorarechampion
Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia
Lean mafia
Ticktock
Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly.
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On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Townish
GlowingBear
-power gap-
Jealous
Emperorarechampion
Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia
Lean mafia
Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter 
To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter?
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On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.
Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.
Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.
Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.
Why is sk so High again?
Following this logic, I have to ask - why did you switch from GB to JVJ? You were the swing vote.
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On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.
Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.
Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.
Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.
Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Townish
GlowingBear
-power gap-
Jealous
Emperorarechampion
Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia
Lean mafia
Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.
No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far?
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On June 27 2016 06:44 Damdred wrote:
Because I didn't want ec lynched, I came up with decent reasoning foe him to be town. Gb was apparently lurking and not interested in discussing the lynch.
Jean makes logical sense and cares and did the right thing for town. And was here actually trying to,figure things out.
I'd much rather someone who's here,figuring,out over someone who's not. Plus got a stronger town read on Jean.
Good answer. The bold above is very much in line with the way I approached my vote as well.
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On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.
Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.
Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.
Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.
Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Townish
GlowingBear
-power gap-
Jealous
Emperorarechampion
Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia
Lean mafia
Ticktock Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.
I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility.
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On June 27 2016 15:00 Superbia wrote:
If there's a cop check between TT and damd btw.
Maaaybe Artanis.
Wouldn't it make sense to check the town mayor/pardoner?
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On June 27 2016 15:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 15:00 Superbia wrote:
If there's a cop check between TT and damd btw.
Maaaybe Artanis. Wouldn't it make sense to check the town mayor/pardoner?
Oops, ignore this post, I'm dumb and have re-read the rules.
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On June 27 2016 18:52 Jean Valjean wrote:
"hallmark of a terrible player" was perhaps a bit strongly worded. There's a lot of good players who fail to understand the three commandments of the townie. I guess something like "The hallmark of an incomplete player".
Yea, I'm not a big fan of the condescension. From personal experience, I feel like it is very easy to dip into that vile habit when you put more effort into your writing and participation in something than those around you, or when you find yourself in a position of power. I think that the best way to get Superbia to come around would be to talk to him as an equal and not a thorn in town's side. When Superbia was dug in on what would have been a losing lynch in the last game I played with him, he came around to logic and reason, not because I berated him. I think he is a good player, and although his posting style can be somewhat irritating (multiple one liners and vague open-ended statements that are essentially "to be continued"), I feel that everyone has a different method of going about satisfying your three major town criteria. I sometimes catch myself typing a "stream of consciousness" post in which I end up contradicting my opening sentence with my last one, essentially catching myself in WIFOM when I would otherwise have been concrete on my initial analysis. Perhaps Superbia needs to hit the post button, re-read his post, and then post again to achieve a similar result.
On June 27 2016 18:54 Superbia wrote:
Jean, I understand that you have a vision and everything, but just remember that in the end it's just a game. I play to have fun. I don't have fun writing (and reading) long and elaborate posts.
However, I can't really get behind this. Even if you are not a fan of writing long and elaborate posts, sometimes that is what is necessary to win someone over. Some of the inductive logic that results in a read or lynch cannot be simplified into two lines and contain words like "feels," so when others are not supporting you in a read you are certain of, it's time to hunker down and make your case as best as possible. This takes effort and is what makes this game interesting, in my opinion.
If someone posts a long and elaborate post, you simply cannot be averse to reading it. The more words a person writes, the more indicators of their alignment are possible; if there are none, that may be suspect in itself ("narration" as someone put it earlier in the thread, I think?). If you don't read the long posts, you are ignoring potentially valuable information on three things: the issue at hand, the writer, and the intended reader. Reactions cannot be gauged if the initial post is not read.
On June 27 2016 18:59 Superbia wrote:
Treat others as equals, Jean.
Ok I just got to this after I wrote the above, but hopefully it counts as more when another person seconds this sentiment.
On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles.
Can you explain the "two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job?" I don't see how revealing the bodyguard will result in this nor how it is a good idea. What if the bodyguard is blue? What if either you or GlowingBear have a blue PR? It seems like a potential stack of dominoes that could fall very quickly. I know GB claimed "named VT" which is basically a null Blue role, which sucks for town, but at the same time I've already expressed concern that this might not be the reality of the situation. Either way, I need to be convinced on this point.
On June 28 2016 00:26 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Chez, my friend, I would like to know where your head's at after the night ends. Is there anyone setting off your colour blind alarm? Chez has been unimpressive so far. There's always a certain leeway with him, because you can usually count on him showing up to actually do stuff later in the game, but this is getting both annoying and suspicious. I don't trust quiet revolutionaries.
I feel the same way. Artanis blatantly dodged my asking him to give an objective opinion on Chez's filter, which is very annoying too. It's good to see that someone agrees with me.
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On June 28 2016 02:52 Skynx wrote:I'm at 49 right now and I found something interesting. So up until this page people are unsure between Moosy and emperor for a lynch, but so far Moosy has the edge and this happens: Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:
I AM NAMED VT
Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE
Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner. Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought. Tumble questions this and it doesn't get answered. Then Super, Tumble, GB, JVJ and QT are ok with emperor lynch. Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 04:35 Damdred wrote:
My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super.
I have Tt as scum.
Jealous as a lower null
Super US falling
Ec is a higher null
Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all emperor between that interval did not post. He is also not playing well at all. He is almost all joky one liners with only exception being a JVJ scumread based on delusional stuff. So i don't think there is even a reason to tr EC to start with but even so why null read him when he's done nothing town indicative at all?
EC's response to GB is so good that I want to TR him.
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On June 28 2016 03:10 GlowingBear wrote:
Skynx are you new to the game?
Fresh eyes that it may be harder to pull the wool over
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