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On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly?
Mostly the reasoning to scum read me is pretty weak tbh. While it's wifom at best I'm playing pretty solidly in my town meta, heavily town hunting. Weighing in on whatever I want to talk about and not really caring what people think.
Its wifom,because I'm aware of it though. Most of the reasons to scum read me have been at best lax.
Even yours super are somewhat bad. I didn't want president early because I just wanted to try to solve the game. Now that I think the game is super difficult in all actuality I trust my way to lead town to a decent lynch.
I also already answered this as well when tumble asked me I believe.
As for my early reads I'm working on filters still would rather just get then all out at once.
As for the t v t. I always thought qt was town because of how he was approaching game and the way he was trying to interact with people. I thought he was a really easy read.
Art was putting in some decent effort at that point, tone was good and what he was saying even if I disagreed at least showed an ok thought progression.
There were a couple times in the fight where both parties were giving off a fuck you vibe that I generally pin to town as well.
Either way to simplify it just felt like t v t, and no real manipulation to make the other look scum was present to me.
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If you mean my super early town circle of
Art, Damdred, tumble, super, chez
Chez just seemed to be read I,g and thinking about the game and pointed out some setup things I think only he would do as town. He is chez and is my friend won't lynch! Really though it's town sided for him to do those things.
Tumble was a total tone read early, since then he's been super active. He's been pushing different angles and seemingly is trying to figure out people's alignments while 're evaluating when new things cone up. Pretty sure town
Super was the decent amount of posting early and the prodding towards people while,not over reacting when told to wait on things. Also him trying to organize today points to town as well and hi a general activity.
Art is just town at this point though. Super active pushing things he seemingly believes. It was the sane early as well, his little retaliation towards Jean feels like town art as well as he is vindictive if you call him scum. Which is part of the reason for,ny early tr I wanted to work with him.
My gb read is explained in my filter earlier and I still stick with it. The only real problem I have is a lack of reads later in the day. But that's nai a for him, overall still town.
Any direct questions that I need to expand on these people is ok.
And atm I kind of want to lynch jealous.
The reasoning for this lynch is that his activity is still super low eleven though we've been in the game what over 36 hours? His one post of actual content actually seems like tmi especially towards art to me. Just seems strange never playing with art and just coming away he's town without any paranoia.
S far he's my lynch but still reading a couple
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This is pretty important. Damdred, can I count on your support to the presidency?
In addition, I'd like for some of the more obvious supporters of my campaign, like stynx, QT and Tictock to start endorsing the campaign.
As for the person I will lynch, it is most likely going to be Artanis. I will re-read him before making a final decision, but I am fairly confident he's going to flip mafia. The alternatives are essentally lynching into the afk people or trolls (chez, moosy, GB and Jealous) There is absolutely mafia in that group but I do not know which ones.
I am also awaiting some colored Chez lists, those will be a great help in understanding his motivations this game.
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Oh I forgot qt
Just totally town early game by tone, his activity level and his I,involvement. The way he handled the pressure from art was great, he's not stiff and he's pressuring people. His thoughts seem genuine and he isn't holding anything back.
Super likely town .
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If your lynching art who is a strong town read of mine I will not vote you I am afraid.
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What in Jealous' play in particular is setting off your scumsenses, or is it just a straight up policy lynch for low activity?
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I explained it a little bit previously, if it was just activity I would probably give him another day.
Its mainly that one post describing the qt v art fight as town v town. Its his only contribution and it doesn't make sense to me coming from his position of not knowing art. And honestly art came off a little worse than qt in that exchange.
So not sure why he would think that it just feels like Tmi to me.
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On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote:
What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on.
Auto-lynching you for this.
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Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily
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I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia.
I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia.
##Vote Jean Valjean
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On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily
Nope
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Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move).
Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players.
As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people:
Artanis
Damdred
Chez
Tumble
Superbia
Jean
QT
In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that.
That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this:
Moosy
Jealous
Tictock
emperorchampion
So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list?
Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred?
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Jean Valjean is very logical. That scares me because although I don't dislike his posts he seems very stiff. Argh
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Also I expect an apology after I flip town.
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On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote:
Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move).
Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players.
As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people:
Artanis
Damdred
Chez
Tumble
Superbia
Jean
QT
In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that.
That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this:
Moosy
Jealous
Tictock
emperorchampion
So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list?
Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred?
What are YOUR reads?
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On June 26 2016 23:59 Damdred wrote:
I explained it a little bit previously, if it was just activity I would probably give him another day.
Its mainly that one post describing the qt v art fight as town v town. Its his only contribution and it doesn't make sense to me coming from his position of not knowing art. And honestly art came off a little worse than qt in that exchange.
So not sure why he would think that it just feels like Tmi to me.
I actually kind of agree, he was specifically asked that and conjured up an answer that was surprisingly thought out given the fact that everything else in his filter has basically been him excusing himself from playing. Not necessarily the TMI part, but rather just the appearance of it.
Maybe the trick just to ask him...
Hey Jealous, what do you think of my spat with Artanis? And explain your thoughts on Tictock.
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On June 26 2016 23:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 20:08 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 20:01 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 19:55 Superbia wrote:
What about TT art? Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? I think the wagon was started by town and there's probably one or two scum on there. I'm mildly leaning town on Jean. Still lynching him. This begs two questions. 1) Who is on the wagon? 2) Who is the townie who started the wagon? And those two should really help us figure out the game from your perspective. Started by Tumble. Joined by QT, GB, [long gap] TT, Skynx, you is what I can gather. MD's also been mildly flailing some suspicion but I have no idea if he actually scumread me or not. Tumble's kinda come around on me, think he's leaning town on me atm. I think TT is likely scum, GB kinda null maybe edging towards scummy by PoE and lack of caring (he has issues being active as scum), and you're leaning town. The others I'm town on. Auto-lynching you for this.
Read further. I ended up semi-townreading you after reading your filter.
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On June 27 2016 00:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 00:06 Jean Valjean wrote:
Or rather, he has made a ton of posts, most of which deal with his own ability play the game. Do you think it's reasonable for him to just stall, stall, stall as mafia? Is he smart/dumb enough to do that correctly (depending on how functional the town is, it can either be a smart or a dumb move).
Also you, just like Artanis, have put yourself in a situation where you just townread everyone except for a few afk players.
As with Artanis, you are another player that has no excuse to scumread me at present, so I'll do you the favor of adding myself to your townlist. This means you're townreading the following people:
Artanis
Damdred
Chez
Tumble
Superbia
Jean
QT
In addition, you townread GB and I'm going to throw in Skynx as an unlikely mafia, although feel free to disagree with me on that.
That's 9/13 players already in your town circle, and your lynch list looks something like this:
Moosy
Jealous
Tictock
emperorchampion
So, trolls, new players, low content people and sure, tictock. Maybe add Skynx to that list?
Look over your own reads again and think, do you believe this is the most reasonable solution to the game Damdred? What are YOUR reads?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807942
No one in the game has better documented their reads than have I. This post by you is very strange GB.
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On June 27 2016 00:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I expect an apology after I flip town.
Art you've just said that I am not caring for the game and that I have a bad time to be active as scum.
The first part is a lie, I'm very interested I the game and I already have a strong opinion on players, and the second part is true only after day 1s, but is also true for town.
You're calling me scum for lies, man. You could've just read me?
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On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia.
I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia.
##Vote Jean Valjean
You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you?
.. seriously?
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EPT
