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On June 26 2016 20:28 Jean Valjean wrote:
Also I contest the statement I am a dick. I have been very polite in the way I've pushed you Artanis, I've used mature language and thoroughly explained my read all the way along. The only reason you think I am a dick is because you're on the wrong end of a ten ton lynching machine, that is always uncomfortable.
I am justice, not spite.
Nah, the reason I think you're a dick is because of the gloating and all the other things surrounding the push. Trying to make someone say that you're smart is pointless meandering that only serves to boost your ego.
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I could also make statements such as "I've clearly put in a tonne of effort and thought into the game which means you have to townread me or claim scum", but it's just.. dickish. It really is.
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On June 26 2016 20:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I could also make statements such as "I've clearly put in a tonne of effort and thought into the game which means you have to townread me or claim scum", but it's just.. dickish. It really is.
No it's not, because it's accurate.
The statement is made to push an agenda. It's based on a fleshed out idea of how good you are at the game and how I assume you would respond to certain points and ideas. It's also designed to put you in an uncomfortable situation with very few outs, not because I am a dick, but because I am actively investigating your alignment.
Yes, if I think you're mafia I will push you around. That is a quality in me you should embrace, not bemoan, but I guess I also harder to appreciate when you're the butt of the joke.
The reason you can't make the same statement back at me is because you cannot back it up. You do not have any kind of a case against me, and thus it would make no sense.
I forgive you Artanis, I think you're a good person, I just think you're mafia.
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On June 26 2016 20:41 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I could also make statements such as "I've clearly put in a tonne of effort and thought into the game which means you have to townread me or claim scum", but it's just.. dickish. It really is. No it's not, because it's accurate. The statement is made to push an agenda. It's based on a fleshed out idea of how good you are at the game and how I assume you would respond to certain points and ideas. It's also designed to put you in an uncomfortable situation with very few outs, not because I am a dick, but because I am actively investigating your alignment. Yes, if I think you're mafia I will push you around. That is a quality in me you should embrace, not bemoan, but I guess I also harder to appreciate when you're the butt of the joke. The reason you can't make the same statement back at me is because you cannot back it up. You do not have any kind of a case against me, and thus it would make no sense. I forgive you Artanis, I think you're a good person, I just think you're mafia.
It's not going to help you achieve anything. Clearly you haven't learned anything from it. I also feel like I could make a sincere argument about how if you're smart, you'd have realized I'm town by now. Fact is, despite knowing you're wrong I also know that it is possible, even for smart people to misread me. I may think that my alignment is the most obvious thing in the world (I do) but the fact that people aren't reading me that way makes it clear that it isn't the case. I can point to the fact that my filter is far longer than my scumgames tend to be, that I'm putting in effort to reading people's meta and investigating other people's games which I never do as mafia and that apparently since you've got experience you should know these things... but I don't consider that a convincing argument. If it was that easy to read people, Town's winrate would be soaring high.
The fact that you think that, especially since you're a smurf that doesn't have any checkable meta for that reason, you should be hard townread for what you've done at that point is delusional. You're likely town at this point, but by no means a lock.
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Also if I got a dollar for every time people scumread me for "you're playing worse than I expect you would as town"...
I've ended up claiming jailkeeper D1 because of a shitty clue. I've been almost lynched more than a few times. People scumread me for failing to meet their expectations all the time, because people have this idea that people with strong reputations are never wrong. No, we just don't get stuck on reads as much (Rayn excepting). Most strong town players re-evaluate a lot. See Marv, see Palmar, even Koshi does.
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Explain to me why I am wrong on Ticktock Artanis.
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On June 26 2016 20:30 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:28 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:20 Superbia wrote:Man, your read on me is superweak. Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that? Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia. By the way you talked about me suggests that you know my meta. Tell me, is any of what you have said reminiscent of how I play town? x; I do not care how you play town. I care about how I want you to play town and how I know you're capable of playing town. I want you to summarize, be decisive and push not because I think that's your town meta, but because I think that is the best way you can be useful to the game if you are indeed town. There's very few things I care less about than your own sense of "my town meta".
Can I conclude from this is that you think I'm town?
I'm basically asking you "how are you evaluating my alignment?" and you're answering with "this is how I want you to play".
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Also can you give an example of me playing the way "I'm capable of playing" as town?
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On June 26 2016 21:19 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 20:30 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:28 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:20 Superbia wrote:Man, your read on me is superweak. Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that? Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia. By the way you talked about me suggests that you know my meta. Tell me, is any of what you have said reminiscent of how I play town? x; I do not care how you play town. I care about how I want you to play town and how I know you're capable of playing town. I want you to summarize, be decisive and push not because I think that's your town meta, but because I think that is the best way you can be useful to the game if you are indeed town. There's very few things I care less about than your own sense of "my town meta". Can I conclude from this is that you think I'm town? I'm basically asking you "how are you evaluating my alignment?" and you're answering with "this is how I want you to play".
That is because I cannot accurately evaluate your alignment until you've provided me with material to work with. No I not think you're town, but I'm also not sold on you being mafia. If your contributions remain to just not do anything and not commit to figuring out the game, then I will be forced to make the call based on more vague evidence.
So yes, currently i'm judging some kind of a vague idea of how smart, sophisticated and analytical I think you can be against what is the reality this game. It's less about tone or meta, and more about just the very content of your posts, and the thought process behind them. Currently I see a player I consider smart and definitely capable of being useful wasting that talent and making no conclusions from it. If that is all I get from you, so be it. If I am wrong because you simply wanted to keep intact some bullshit meta, then so be it too.
See, I know the TL meta lets people get away with being lazy, useless and bad. But I'm not here to adhere to anyone else's meta, I'm building my own.
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On June 26 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 21:19 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 20:30 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:28 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 20:20 Superbia wrote:Man, your read on me is superweak. Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that? Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia. By the way you talked about me suggests that you know my meta. Tell me, is any of what you have said reminiscent of how I play town? x; I do not care how you play town. I care about how I want you to play town and how I know you're capable of playing town. I want you to summarize, be decisive and push not because I think that's your town meta, but because I think that is the best way you can be useful to the game if you are indeed town. There's very few things I care less about than your own sense of "my town meta". Can I conclude from this is that you think I'm town? I'm basically asking you "how are you evaluating my alignment?" and you're answering with "this is how I want you to play". That is because I cannot accurately evaluate your alignment until you've provided me with material to work with. No I not think you're town, but I'm also not sold on you being mafia. If your contributions remain to just not do anything and not commit to figuring out the game, then I will be forced to make the call based on more vague evidence. So yes, currently i'm judging some kind of a vague idea of how smart, sophisticated and analytical I think you can be against what is the reality this game. It's less about tone or meta, and more about just the very content of your posts, and the thought process behind them. Currently I see a player I consider smart and definitely capable of being useful wasting that talent and making no conclusions from it. If that is all I get from you, so be it. If I am wrong because you simply wanted to keep intact some bullshit meta, then so be it too. See, I know the TL meta lets people get away with being lazy, useless and bad. But I'm not here to adhere to anyone else's meta, I'm building my own.
I think you're town, slightly annoying, and wrong on Artanis.
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I always reach conclusions, I just don't share all of them. ;p
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Hmm is the wagon Artanis described accurate?
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Just read that whole spill just woke up will give reads in a bit
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This president stuff is actually super obnoxious because I have no idea who people would actually vote for (for lynch) here.
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Who would people vote for for the lynch?
I want to lynch: Moosydoosy
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Nobody else over moosey super?
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What would you suggest damdred?
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I'm reading filters atm I'll give you a definite shortly
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Coolio. I also had some questions for you that are in my filter. Probably the latter pages. Can you answer those as well after you're done?
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