A normal game just for JAT <3

On April 15 2016 08:08 gumshoe wrote:
Unless theres some outside factor at play (something happy in his life offsetting the tension of rolling scum, or hes pushing himself a bit to be bold) I think Onegu is town based off tone / :

On April 15 2016 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
[...]
Tentatively in the green / :

On April 15 2016 22:01 gumshoe wrote:


They are not smileys,theyre shrugs meant to make it clear that Ultimatly I have no clue what onegu or gb or anyone for that matter day 1 are currently, as no real evidence has cropped up and I can see every reaction so far coming from town or scum, but am tentatively ruling them as town based off feel and lack of apparent malevolent intent. But Ultimatly, unless someone actually fucks up, I am liable to be wrong. TLDR the Shrug = the akndoledgment that the universe is a vast unknowable place, as well one cannot ever truly know someone face to face let alone over a forum where everyone prides themselves on lying, and lastly that day 1 mafia is hard.

On April 15 2016 22:51 rsoultin wrote:
I also don't think your meta read on Onegu is very reliable. My method for reading him has more to do with how he plays than his attitude. Just being "happy" is over-simplistic.

On April 16 2016 04:54 rsoultin wrote:


Hey, Palmar...seriously, dude...I mean if you're mafia and I'm just a chump you can go ahead and ignore this but otherwise I'd really appreciate knowing what's so apparently awful about how I'm playing that all you can do is say lynch rsoultin. Like...I mean, yeah, I'm having trouble finding who I want to lynch that's probably pretty obvious, but considering the only person you can be bothered to talk about is town you're doing no better. If it's a me just being a shitter I'd like to know that though. I really don't think I'm actually playing that bad given the circumstances :/

On April 17 2016 01:54 gumshoe wrote:


haro, I answered your earlier question on page 15.

On April 17 2016 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
So I’m pretty confidant that tumbleweed is scum,



This initial post is a mess, Jas called him out on it, but I really feel he left him off too easy.

On the one hand, Tumble is saying that I did something typical of scum, therefore onegu is town.

On the other hes saying that I’m his top town read(while not offering any evidence as to why ) and that onegu is just null


Hes of two completely opposite minds here, his two stances in his first few posts pretty much cancel out, though he seems to still regard me as town for reasons he hasn't actually provided. Only one piece of information can actually be extracted from this contradictory mess.

That if I’m scum, Onegu is town and likely vice versa.

So let's run through the possibilities, the pro human scenario here is that I flip scum thereby clearing Onegu of suspicion. This is the least likely case according to Tumble himself as I am fairly townie, therefore the possibility of me getting killed by town are low. Which means we can also disregard the possibility of me flipping town and what that might mean for onegu(likely nothing).

This leaves the Onegu flips, if Onegu flips town (which I think he might) than according to tumble, that means that I, his top town read, have a high probability of flipping scum. Also to be honest an argument can be pretty easily made for why Onegu flipping scum doesn't look good on me either.

Tumble’s relatively innocuous linking of me and Onegu’s alignments hinges on me (his top town read) flipping red to be of any use, it also possibly results in my lynch in response to a practically inevitable Onegu flip.

So to summarize, if Tumble is town, he has created a vulnerability to be exploited, if not by him than likely scum, against his top town read. Or hes at least made said vulnerability very very clear, while effectively doing nothing for Onegu (as a potential death for me at the hands of town will not likely come before his, which means my theoretical red flip will never come in time to save him).

So yeah, kinda of a wierd move coming from a townie.

-------------------------------------------------------

So lets approach it from the other side, say tumble is scum, we know that me and him are unlikely to be scum together because of the existence of this post, which means onegu is unlikely to be scum with tumble as my death would never actually clear him(cause Im not scum if tumbles scum) and his death would not outright incriminate me according to tumbles logic (though I still personally think onegu flipping scum would do me no favours XD)

Basically, there's no gain to this post for scum tumble if either onegu or I am also scum, it’s a 1 1 trade at best. Considering that Tumble kind of contradicted himself with this post (saying I did something scummy in a roundabout way while making me his top town read) I have a hard time believing that he would put himself out there like that with no gain in mind.

Therefore we can only conclude that if Tumble is scum, me and Onegu are town and things would ideally go down like this for him.

Onegu dies, he flips green, then someone, preferably a misguided townie (looking at you Gb) comes after me for what looks like an early game pocketing of Onegu. I am then lynched or am cast under enough suspicion that I serve as a vote draw, thereby allowing scum more leverage over the lynch.

This is the scenario in which tumbles post makes the most sense. If we consider his scum intent clashing with his acceptance of thread sentiment (at this point several key townies ruled me green), we can explain the three major points of obscurity in his post. 1: His unexplained town read of me 2: his seemingly contradictory analysis of my interactions with onegu(in respect to his town read of me) and 3: the use of ‘the person’ and 'gumshoe' separately to refer to me in the same post.



I think Tumble is well aware of the contradictory nature of his post and either consciously or unconsciously reveals the divide in his play between what he feels he needs to do as scum to 'the person' and how he feels he should actually appear to keep his cover.

Yeah… that last psychoanalysis bit is a stretch but my point is basically this, his combining of me and onegu’s alignments makes much more sense from a scum view than a town one.

Thats the big thing, but theres some other bits.



Yeah… this really looks like hes trying to get people to jump on a nub.



Him giving Palmar a pass (another scumish read of mine) does not look particularly good on him / : (though to be fair alot of people seem to be doing it, fringe perks of the throne I suppose)



I feel like this kind of translates into “ I will sheep the eventual consensus on what jas is” which is probally how he came to town read me initially / :

Lastly his Rsoul push just feels really lackluster, theres no real emotion there, he just sort of kind of thinks she's acting meh. I'd go into it, but this is already long enough and the wagon on Rsoul started with a random Onegu vote so I have a really hard time taking the whole thing seriously -_-

So yeah, Tumble is currently mah kill of preference.

##vote tumble

obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYbg8m7LIcc

On April 17 2016 03:02 Superbia wrote:
Now: Palmar:

Town palmar would've taken a grip on the game already. Tbf the game is going pretty much nowhere this close to EoD (imo). It's very undirected. Town palmar takes control and leads a direction. The push on rso is not.

In fact, Palmar's push on rso indicates a plan. And from all my games with palmar, he always has some sort of planned d1 as scum. He makes up some sort of plan or method to determine who is scum or something similar. This push on rso seems the exact same way (though I do not know what it says about rso's alignment). Pre-planned.

His read on me adds on to the lack of town direction he's taken this game. As town you are usually aligned to the people who have similar reads. That's why it is not weird for me to half-flip on rso. The fact that Palmar groups us together cements this un-townie, overfocused mindset.

I encourage everyone to check out Palmar's scum games and look at his play d1 (specifically the ones I was in as well, I believe it was russia or titanic or something). It's pre-planned and lazy.

Now look at his town games. It starts off super lazy but he always picks up very quickly. Especially when the town has no leader (i.e. as we have now). He is nowhere this game. This some prepackaged bullshit plan.

##Vote: Palmar

On April 17 2016 04:28 gumshoe wrote:


if hes scum, then he probally thinks he can get away with this kind of play exactly because of his last game, as people will be less likely to kill him / :

The point is, outside his meta hes playing anti town and within his meta he could easily be town or scum as this kind of play is not at all hard to enact.

On April 17 2016 04:50 rsoultin wrote:


actually what that should say is his case is wrong but his read could be right

On April 17 2016 05:03 Onegu wrote:
Im kinda around but out of my head on pain meds so dont expect to much

On April 16 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
Want to call gumshoe mafia but 1st post tryhard is at most NAI for him.

On April 17 2016 05:19 gumshoe wrote:


this post is fine, as me and superbia just played a game where he attacked me for a try hard post first thing. I was town of course.

So this game starts and superbia sees my post, his first instinct is it's scummy, but then remembers the game we just played.

Hence -scummy, but nai.

So this post rels that caught your attention first, actually just shows him taking my meta in mind after you know, killing me that one time(super built the gun that slam held in his hand). Which is frankly something I applaud XD

On April 17 2016 05:09 gumshoe wrote:


It might just be a case of there not being a better case / :

we have 3 shitters (onegu, fazzer, sicklicker,) who are basically all coinflips

3 reasonably townie townies(im fairly confident that you and jat are town, judging by your dialogue with one another early on, I also have a good feel about jas based off him attacking tumble early and he seems to pretty involved by this games standards.)

3 players who are kinda meh (gb, rsoul(the whole circumstance of her train is painfully weak) obi(bit less certain bout him then I was of him early as his stuff is pretty shallow right now)

this leaves 3 potential agreed scum prospects, palmer (notable for the gap between his reputation and his actual contribution) tumble (shoddy for the late entry, the fazzer thing, his mild rsoul push and his wierd jas hand toss) and super.

Super obviusly cant attack himself and he probs hasnt noticed tumble which leaves palmer.

So if his case and reasoning is weak, it might just be a result of the game being slow as opposed to him bieng scum trying to come up with contrivances.

On April 17 2016 05:32 gumshoe wrote:


I'm... Not a very subtle player...

Still, I feel good enough about his alignment to offset the guilt of giving him an out / :

I'll stop defending him though, he said he'd be back in time so hopefully that'll be the case.

On April 17 2016 06:04 Rels wrote:

Sure talk about what you want. I always try to read the filter of people that are dead, so I will read what you have to say if you flip town.

On April 17 2016 06:12 gumshoe wrote:


I'm fairly confident super is town based on my earlier posts and sl is voting for super atm so he doesnt really count / :

that leaves gj and one is not three.

On April 17 2016 06:21 gumshoe wrote:


Two times : D

On April 17 2016 06:27 gumshoe wrote:


im feeling a bit of hostility ) :

also I've made my case multiple times as to why I think super is more likely to be town and your more likely to be scum. They arent going to change 40 min before the dead line.

I'll answer questions of course and interject should the need arise but otherwise I'm just here to keep yah company : D

On April 17 2016 06:39 Palmar wrote:

uh... how do you know that it won't just make you the hero and superbia flips mafia?

On April 17 2016 06:12 gumshoe wrote:


I'm fairly confident super is town based on my earlier posts and sl is voting for super atm so he doesnt really count / :

that leaves gj and one is not three.

On April 18 2016 04:25 rsoultin wrote:


why?

On April 18 2016 06:08 gumshoe wrote:


I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.

This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.

Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.

On April 18 2016 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'm on board with this I think.

On April 17 2016 07:08 Rels wrote:

Scum

On April 18 2016 06:34 gumshoe wrote:


read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.

Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.

Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.

and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.

Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.

tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.

On April 18 2016 06:43 gumshoe wrote:


I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum.

That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / :

On April 18 2016 06:52 gumshoe wrote:


reads plox

On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote:
I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)

On April 18 2016 07:03 gumshoe wrote:
I think I know what happened here, scum chose not to roll block super as he announced he was shooting palmer, so that means super is probs town vig / : or the actual vig shot the same target (more likely supers vig, seriously)

On April 16 2016 14:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Gb is also more underwhelming than I remember.
The only reason I won't throw him high onto my list immediately is because I tunneled him for this kind of behavior once, and he was town.

On April 18 2016 23:00 gumshoe wrote:

Of course this has revamped alot of my reads but seeing as were already locked on I see no point to accusing someone before the flip just to fill thread.

On April 18 2016 23:30 gumshoe wrote:


oks

it is 2 of 3 men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smJOkxVsbY0

Onegu jas, or... rels...

these reads assume that tumble is town though, so thats why I'm waiting on the super flip

I town read jat assuming that tumble is town, as you kind of wanted to lead the lynch away from him.

Sick lucker is town as he did straight up bus his teammate otherwise and hes post lynch bragging seems scuicidal coming from scum.

Rsoul is probs town cause effort and I dont see onegu just dropping off his vote on her if thier scum mates.


obi was also straight up bussing his mate from an early point if hes scum.

tumble is probs town if super is scum based off supers claim (unless super is rb)

Onegu's still at the top of mah list, my case before the day start hasn't changed at all, I especially hate how he supposedly "forgot" about the deadline to post his reads.

if onegu is town, he knows hes a vig target, so that kind of fuck up is huge as he honestly believes hes amazing. So he didn't care enough about his reads to get them in.

If hes scum, he was waiting to see if he got shot by vig before he wanted to offer an information whatsoever. So yeah, reaaaaaly scummy to my sight.

Jas and rels I got nothing really on, Jas's switch onto tumble instead of gj seemed to come out of nowhere but he was pushing super earlier so thats a bit odd.

It's also notable that he pushed into me and tumble early but backed off pretty fast.

rels... not sure, hes been gone a while now / : almost as if none of this matters to him.

On April 19 2016 00:31 JustAnotherScummer wrote:
Hmmm, Out of curiously,

Who did you heal?

On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims.

On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.

The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.

This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.

On April 19 2016 02:40 rsoultin wrote:


dude if you actually believe this about gumshoe but still are calling me scum i don't even know what to say

please don't be town here please don't be town please don't be town

i really don't want to call someone who is actually town stupid cause tbf when rayn does it to me it feels awful but this is just so terribly stupid >< like you've tunneled me blindly all game and you don't have the excuse of being a silly palmar to hide behind

On April 19 2016 03:03 rsoultin wrote:


nope

"the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do"

i'm gonna stop arguing here cause it's nonsensical, but seriously dude. it's obvious we're saying the same thing stop being silly lol ><

On April 19 2016 03:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I honestly wouldn't be super opposed to a tw lynch either - the dude just keeps spewing nonsense and he's starting to bug me.

On April 19 2016 04:00 gumshoe wrote:
Also Jat, if Tumble is scum, why do you think he feels the need to antagonize effectively everyone active in thread?

On April 18 2016 23:52 gumshoe wrote:


fair enough / : I was 100 percent fucking wrong about super so yeah, I shouldn't really lock down a ton of reads. Still not willing to lynch anyone else until onegu and super are dead.

On April 18 2016 07:28 Onegu wrote:



I kinda remember a post like this before. I think that game ended with me you and rsoul in lylo...

On April 18 2016 07:27 Onegu wrote:



I want in on some sexy lexy time!!!!

On April 15 2016 15:44 Onegu wrote:
Tell sexy Lexy <3 chocolate

To bad you are still scum...

Also gumshoe is scum. He tried to meta read me some weird ass way he is trying to buddy me because he knows how awesome I am.

On April 16 2016 04:57 Onegu wrote:



This

She forgot me in her list post. Means she is scum 100000000%

Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin.

THere is your team. Thank you well played onegu.

On April 19 2016 10:22 gumshoe wrote:
Sick, can I get read a read on obi?

On April 19 2016 11:38 gumshoe wrote:
you guys are so insynch its amazing,

1 hour ago I posted my initial question

17 minutes later you respond at almost the exact same time after not bieng in thread for hours

then I gloat a bit (at about 23 minutes ago) and then 19 minutes later you respond again within a minute of one another XD this is just the greatest feeling right now T_T I may never feel this cathartic again.

On April 19 2016 11:38 gumshoe wrote:
you guys are so insynch its amazing,

1 hour ago I posted my initial question

17 minutes later you respond at almost the exact same time after not bieng in thread for hours

then I gloat a bit (at about 23 minutes ago) and then 19 minutes later you respond again within a minute of one another XD this is just the greatest feeling right now T_T I may never feel this cathartic again.

On April 19 2016 11:47 gumshoe wrote:



you said it : D not me

On April 19 2016 12:05 gumshoe wrote:
I'm also pretty pissed at you atm tumble.



this is really fucking rude, yes I was wrong yesterday about you, but I've admitted that and moved on. The whole onegu correlation thing was a total fuck up I agree, but that does not and should not give you the right to disregard everything I say and be a total douche even though I'm pretty much the only one sure your town right now.

Also the whole fuck up only happened because you couldn't be bothered to realize that the guy who scum buddied onegu was also your top town read -_-

so get off your high fucking horse and listen to me without the intention of simply ridiculing whatever I say in order to fatten up your ego.

sl and obi jump in simultaneously over 20 minutes after a question that pertains to them being scum together is asked. IS THAT NOT SOMEWHAT STRANGE.

On April 19 2016 12:18 gumshoe wrote:


I read into things for fun, I dont honestly believe in a lot of it. The reason I do that is because I occasionally have real break throughs (scenarios were reading into small things meant huge breakthroughs) and I am simply imitating them to chase that high.

I didn't really put much stock into the onegu vt thing, I didn't even really have that much faith in my case against you after you said you fucked up your post.

Though at the start of today, I had a break through

superbia had scum shoot palmer so he could fake claim vig.

Just wait for it, supers gonna flip scum and you wont be able to deny it.

This is another revelation like that, two people responding to a question like that a significant time after it's asked but almost in synch IS a big deal.

and also dont knock my style as your pretty much wrong about everyone here, you've even admitted to fucking up multiple times and you still arent willing to drop the paranoia.

On April 19 2016 11:57 gumshoe wrote:


I wasnt implying that you were doing anything clever.

I think your were both hovering over the thread, both saw it around the same time, discussed what to do about it in qt, finished talking and went into thread at the same time, not realizing it would be a good idea to do so at diffrent times.

That doesn't seem so crazy to me / :

the alternative is you both randomely jumped into thread after 5 hours and reacted simultaneously... now THAT seems dumb.

On April 19 2016 12:37 gumshoe wrote:
Last thing tumble



jat said this right after the night shot.

If he was really intending to use the palmar shot to back supers claim, why would he be one of the first people to strike down that possibility?

and even if he is both those things, he clearly expected fazzers to get shot(or at least isnt suprised that he was), so why did he think this plan was any better than a straight doc claim in the first place?

dont just try to be right, think about this, hard, this isnt a small detail, it's a supposed total collapse in logic. Would jat make a play that bad?

On April 19 2016 12:45 gumshoe wrote:


as you already know, I dont have a very high opinion of the scum team (the palmer vig shot plan)

them not thinking to divide eachothers protests is a perfectly viable expectation of the profile well have of them once super flips.

also maybe this is just me bieng a bit arrogant, but if you were the scum team and the one dude everyone thinks is town (for derp or skill, pick your poisen) who was totally cool with you till now suddenly calls you both out, Is a little panick not to be expected?

the alternative is sheer fucking luck / :

On April 19 2016 12:54 gumshoe wrote:




rsoul, if super flips scum, we know two things about them. 1 they set it up so that if palmer died it would match supers potential vig claim

2: They shot palmer

I dont think this is that big a stretch / :

On April 19 2016 13:13 gumshoe wrote:


Tumble only agreed that jat is town if super is scum ( totally reasonable)

The time thing hasn't convinced anyone yet XD

Which is fine, you kinda had to be there for the full effect : D also what do you think prompted me to ask you about obi in the first place? I'll let you stew on that ( :

On April 19 2016 13:15 gumshoe wrote:


Still doesn't explain why obi posted at the same time as well / :

Also, thanks for helping my point by asserting this isn't a coincidence XD

The fact that your trying to explain your timing means you feel threatened ( : and that's adorable.

On April 19 2016 13:18 gumshoe wrote:


What a coincidence I too don't care about your bullshit excuses : D

On April 19 2016 14:28 gumshoe wrote:


not even brah,

I told you something made me ask you that first question : P

like how super has said jack all about how you too stayed on him after he claimed

or how you guys dont ever fucking read eachother (even though obi has no excuse)

or how you all pretty much agree that tumble and jas are scum around the same time frame / :

the timing on your answers was just gravy.

On April 19 2016 14:28 gumshoe wrote:


not even brah,

I told you something made me ask you that first question : P

like how super has said jack all about how you too stayed on him after he claimed

or how you guys dont ever fucking read eachother (even though obi has no excuse)

or how you all pretty much agree that tumble and jas are scum around the same time frame / :

the timing on your answers was just gravy.

On April 19 2016 18:08 Rels wrote:

Ofc I recognize the possibility that Superbia is doc and played the worst game of his life. If he is though, he will step up by himself. He's likely scum, and if he is he doesn't need your encouragement that if he tryhards he will maybe survive. I don't really believe "some clowns needed explanation to understand it" too, since the votecount is so unanimous. Who did you mean by that ? The persons you responded to in the quotes of yours in my post ? Cause apart from OWS you responded to rsoultin (who wants to lynch him) and Superbia himself (doesn't do anything regardless of his alignment.

On April 19 2016 23:28 gumshoe wrote:
I'd like to apologize for the excitement over the timing thing, it is a bit loose on its own XD I originally came to the conclusion that obi and sick are scum together due to how super was avoiding saying anything about them (even though they stayed on him after his claimed and if they are town they are perfect targets) and likewise they were avoiding saying anything about each other. And also how they basically had identical scum reads (jas and tumble to a lesser degree)

I asked sick about obi because between them obi was the end game bet(sick dies a lot)so I figured sick would make no real points about obi.

27 minutes or so later the both respond simultaneously after being gone from thread for a while. And sick gave me the exactl the answer that I expected / : "impossible"

It was really just gravy. The meat of my read is what prompted me to ask the case in the first place ( last wall of text has most of that )

I also had some other guiding evidence ,the plan that scum made around the Palmer shot and how it collapsed, the argument that tumble must be town if super is not rb and of course the likelihood that given supers play and schedule that he was likely fine with bieng bussed day 1.

These points clear more players than you would at first think / :

None of this is relevant of course until we confirm that super isn't actually just an awful dock, but can't blame a fellow for getting excited XD

On April 20 2016 03:37 Rels wrote:

BTW since you were arguing about basic mafia play, if you were town and I was scum, I wouldn't go against the hardest player to go against for no reason. There is no point in doing that.

On April 20 2016 03:41 justanothertownie wrote:

There are only 2 options:

1) You are doing exactly this.
2) You are misrepresenting me and calling me mafia for things that don't make anyone mafia as town. Forgive me for having my doubts about that.

On April 20 2016 03:53 gumshoe wrote:


yous a derp rels, a big ol / : derp.

I'll ask you the same question I asked tumble (I will be assuming super is scum for this question, as this whole argument is predicated on that and you insist on having it before the flip so there ya go)

If jat is scum, then he must have okd the shot on palmer in order to give supers vig claim weight.

if so, why did he immediatly shoot that possibility down?



better yet, why did he go through with it in the first place? If he was scum, wouldn't he realize that shooting the same guy that super claimed he would kill would make no sense and would hurt his position far more than just a flat doc claim at the start of the day? Did he not realize fazzers had a good shot of dying?

It's ether a terrible oversight, or a flat out terrible play. Something I dont think ether of you would let go through.

On April 20 2016 04:03 gumshoe wrote:


I am asserting the scum team are complete idiots.

ok. follow along I am going to make this really fucking simple

super claims. Scum has no idea what he is if super is town.

Super says hes going to shoot palmer

if super is not scum, why would scum shoot plamer thereby risking 2 kp on one target considering palmer was going to possibly die anyway?

the only explanation is scum knew that super wouldnt vig shoot palmer. They only way they could know that is if super is scum.

therefore, shot onto palmer=completely outing super.

is that so very complicated?